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26 Jan 2005 02:45:20 PM |
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Read The Bible ; |
"Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is
near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his
thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon
him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,
saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my
ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth
not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud,
that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: So shall my
word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me
void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper
in the thing whereto I sent it."
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(Isaiah 55:6-11)
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| User: "Mark T marksgospel@chapter17" |
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| Title: Re: Read The Bible ; |
26 Jan 2005 03:55:46 PM |
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<bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote:
read the bible
Why not post the whole lot rather than the selected verses that you like
most????
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| User: "Weatherwax" |
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27 Jan 2005 12:59:05 AM |
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"Mark T" <mark'sgospel@chapter17> wrote in message
<bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote:
read the bible
Why not post the whole lot rather than the selected verses that you like
most????
He's quoting the King James Version. Reader of the King James don't read
the Bible. They just read verses.
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Wax
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Read The Bible ; |
26 Jan 2005 04:24:11 PM |
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Mark T wrote:
<bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote:
read the bible
Why not post the whole lot rather than the selected verses that you like
most????
===>Because you would discover that he disagrees with
most of it. -- L.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Read The Bible ; |
27 Jan 2005 12:59:29 PM |
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"...to this man will I look, even to him
that is poor and of a contrite spirit,
and trembleth at my word."
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(Isaiah 66:2)
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Read The Bible ; |
28 Jan 2005 02:34:31 PM |
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"Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at
his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast
you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be
glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and
they shall be ashamed."
(Isaiah 66:5)
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Read The Bible ; |
30 Jan 2005 03:06:45 PM |
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"The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and
taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD;
and what wisdom is in them?"
(Jeremiah 8:9)
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| User: "Weatherwax" |
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30 Jan 2005 04:36:36 PM |
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<bibleverse2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and
taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD;
and what wisdom is in them?"
(Jeremiah 8:9)
Read the whole Bible:
Leviticus 25
25:44 "'As for your male and female slaves who may
belong to you-you may buy male and female slaves
from the nations all around you. 25:45 Also you may
buy slaves from the children of the foreigners who
reside with you, and from their families that are with
you, whom they have fathered in your land, they may
become your property.
Leviticus 20
20:10 When you approach a city to wage war against it,
offer it terms of peace. 20:11 If it accepts them and
submits to you, all the people found in it will become
your slaves. 20:12 If it does not accept terms of peace
but makes war with you, then you are to lay siege to it.
20:13 The LORD your God will deliver it over to you
and you must kill every single male by the sword. 20:14
However, the women, little children, cattle, and anything
else in the city-all its plunder-you may take for
yourselves as spoil. You may take from your enemies
the plunder that the LORD your God has given you.
Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your human masters with fear and
trembling, in the sincerity of your heart as to Christ.
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Wax
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| User: "Shaqad" |
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| Title: Re: Read The Bible ; |
30 Jan 2005 04:47:50 PM |
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Thats why Jesus came, to free the captives..Spiritually.
..I know the importance of the Bible. On March 19th 1984 I he=ADard one
word spoken very loud, it woke me up shakin' like a leaf on =ADa
Tree...the voice said :
!BIBLE!
..I believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God.
..We spend alot of time discussing the Bible and pride ourselfs when
ou=ADr
understanding grows. But what is most important is loving Go=ADd and
other
people.
..Carry the Sword, the word of God like a lantern, a weapon o=ADf defense
even....but not an ancient artifact. Not the focus of your f=ADaith, but
the foundation.
..I am convinced that God Watches over His Word to perform it
concerning Bible prophecy, that He looks for a person who un=ADderstands
it and waits for them to proclaim it in a fitting time and m=ADanner,
then
He performs it. In a way its up to us, and our understanding=AD of the
Holy Bible, God's letter to us.
..Our future is in our hands.
It was the only time ever. Never before or since have I ever=AD heard a
loud audible voice. I admit, this aint everyday stuff, and hearing
voices is jus=ADt plain
kooky..but it happened.
It was ONE word:
B
I
B
L
E
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..It goes even deeper. I want to share this story so tha=ADt it may be
known that the Bible is very special and God is very real in=AD the
lives
of some, maybe many.
..That day I went to work, (construction-just by chance build=ADing a
Mormon Church..no I am not Mormon)- and cut my right thigh o=ADpen with
a
skill saw ("un-skilled" saw..lol), blood all over the new ce=ADment
foundation of that Church.
..I dont know exactly what it all means, but it means so=ADmething
more than "I was just hearing things".
..I still have that scar today, a twelve inch scar ("mark of t=ADhe lion"
my
doctor even called it, he had an old Indian book on scar shapes=AD and
locations)..a reminder of March 19th, 1984. The day I heard =ADone word
that IS "Bigger than you would think".
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Get a FREE e-Bible from * www.e-sword.net * It works on/off line and
has many other helpful features, the Sword of the Lord with =ADan
electronic edge. Most any version/language, most helpful.=20
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| User: "Weatherwax" |
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30 Jan 2005 06:36:41 PM |
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"Shaqad" <shaqad@netzero.com> wrote:
I believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God.
Hosea 13:16
Samaria will be held guilty,
because she rebelled against her God.
They will fall by the sword,
their infants will be dashed to the ground,
their pregnant women will be ripped open.
2 Kings 2
2:23 He (Elisha) went up from there to Bethel. As
he was traveling up the road, some young boys came
out of the city and made fun of him, saying, "Go on
up, baldy! Go on up, baldy!" 2:24 When he turned
around and saw them, he called God's judgment
down on them Two female bears came out of the
woods and ripped forty-two of the boys to pieces.
2:25 From there he traveled to Mount Carmel and
then back to Samaria.
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Wax
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| User: "Shaqad" |
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31 Jan 2005 01:37:09 AM |
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This God that rules on high, and thunders when he please, that rides
upon the
stormy sky, and manages the seas, this awful God is ours.
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| User: "Shaqad" |
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| Title: Re: Read The Bible ; |
31 Jan 2005 01:29:15 AM |
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What Bible translation is that you carry around with you Wax?
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| User: "Weatherwax" |
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31 Jan 2005 11:40:55 AM |
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"Shaqad" <shaqad@netzero.com> wrote in message
news:1107156555.183070.60750@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
What Bible translation is that you carry around with you Wax?
For postings I use the NET Bible available at:
http://www.bible.org/netbible/
This translation may be downloaded onto your computer at no cost if you go
to:
http://www.bible.org/store/
The remarkable feature of the NET Bible is the large number of "translator
notes". These notes point out difficulties in translation, and textual
variations which are found in some manuscripts.
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Wax
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| User: "Shaqad" |
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31 Jan 2005 03:53:48 PM |
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..Interesting translation and Bible indeed. I checked this scripture and
it alings better with the intended meaning and my understanding I feel.
(NET Bible)
17:32 Remember Lot's wife!
17:33 Whoever tries to keep his life will lose it, but whoever loses
his life will preserve it. 17:34 I tell you, in that night there will
be two people in one bed; one will be taken and the other left.
17:35 There will be two women grinding grain together; one will be
taken and the other left."
17:37 Then the disciples said to him, "Where, Lord?" He replied to
them, "Where the dead body is, there the vultures will gather."
(KJV)
Luk 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.
Luk 17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and
whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
Luk 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed;
the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
Luk 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken,
and the other left.
Luk 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and
the other left.
Luk 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said
unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered
together.
I only wish the disciples would have asked "who took them Lord?"
My Bible study goes deeper on this:
www.angelfire.com/oz2/shaqad
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| User: "Weatherwax" |
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| Title: Re: Read The Bible ; |
31 Jan 2005 04:59:59 PM |
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"Shaqad" <shaqad@netzero.com> wrote in message
news:1107208428.674428.27460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
.Interesting translation and Bible indeed. I checked this scripture and
it alings better with the intended meaning and my understanding I feel.
(NET Bible)
17:32 Remember Lot's wife!
17:33 Whoever tries to keep his life will lose it, but whoever loses
his life will preserve it. 17:34 I tell you, in that night there will
be two people in one bed; one will be taken and the other left.
17:35 There will be two women grinding grain together; one will be
taken and the other left."
17:37 Then the disciples said to him, "Where, Lord?" He replied to
them, "Where the dead body is, there the vultures will gather."
I noticed that you are so used to the KJV's practice of presenting each
verse as a seperate paragraph that you did it here (with the exception of
verse 34,)although that is not the way it is presented in the NET Bible
translation. The practice hinders comprehension and leads to taking verses
out of context.
(KJV)
Luk 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.
Luk 17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and
whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
Luk 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed;
the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
Luk 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken,
and the other left.
Luk 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and
the other left.
Luk 17:37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he
said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be
gathered
together.
The major difference in the two translations is the ommission of verse 36 in
the NET translation? That is explained in the "translator's comments" which
are accessed by clicking the rised blue numbers following the text:
92tc Several mss (D Ë13 [579] 700 al lat sy) add (with several
variations among these witnesses) 17:36 "There will be two in
the field; one will be taken and the other left." It is not well enough
attested to be original. Further, it is an assimilation to the parallel
in Matt 24:40, which marks the addition as secondary. The present
translation follows NA27 in omitting the verse number, a procedure
also followed by a number of other modern translations.
I only wish the disciples would have asked "who took them Lord?"
My Bible study goes deeper on this:
www.angelfire.com/oz2/shaqad
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Wax
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| User: "Shaqad" |
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01 Feb 2005 04:03:37 AM |
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Yeah, I did botch the original paste. I noticed your paste did not
have numbers so I erase them. When I erased the numbers I changed the
verse format, to match the KJV format. I did study the Living Bible for
years as well as KJV.
That is so wierd, I cannot believe I did not notice that verse 36 was
missing, trip out.
To omit a verse just don't seem right, especially when it specifies men
as well as women.
I chose that scripture because I see it as one of the most
misunderstood teachings of Jesus in Revelation, and one of the most
important. I believe these are taken to the seat of the beast, the son
of perdition. Lots wife was not lookin' at Heaven.
Remember Lot's wife?
Hey thanks again man, I will check out the NET Bible- I am downloading
it right now for offline use.
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| User: "Weatherwax" |
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01 Feb 2005 11:46:06 AM |
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"Shaqad" <shaqad@netzero.com> wrote in message
news:1107252217.656064.251400@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Yeah, I did botch the original paste. I noticed your paste did not
have numbers so I erase them. When I erased the numbers I changed the
verse format, to match the KJV format. I did study the Living Bible for
years as well as KJV.
You might like the Jewish Publication Society's TANAKH. It is an excellent
translation of the Hebrew texts. It is available at amazon.com.
That is so wierd, I cannot believe I did not notice that verse 36 was
missing, trip out.
To omit a verse just don't seem right, especially when it specifies men
as well as women.
How about inserting a verse which does not belong? I refer to 1 John 5:7 in
the KJV. It is known as the "Comma Johaneum". When Erasmus compiled his
edition of the Greek text for printing he left the verse out. Several
people complained because it was in Latin manuscripts. Erasmaus replied
that if somebody could show him a Greek manuscript which contained the
verse, then he would put it in. Thereafter somebody forged a Greek
manuscript with the verse, and Erasmus included it in his third edition.
The KJV follows Erasmus' text.
I chose that scripture because I see it as one of the most
misunderstood teachings of Jesus in Revelation, and one of the most
important. I believe these are taken to the seat of the beast, the son
of perdition. Lots wife was not lookin' at Heaven.
Remember Lot's wife?
Hey thanks again man, I will check out the NET Bible- I am downloading
it right now for offline use.
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Wax
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| User: "Shaqad" |
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01 Feb 2005 05:45:56 PM |
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Testimony About the Son
This14 is the conquering power15 that has conquered16 the world: our
faith. 5:5 Now who is the person who has conquered the world except the
one who believes that17 Jesus is the Son of God? 5:6 Jesus Christ is
the one who came by water and blood-not by the water only, but by the
water and the blood. And the Spirit is the one who testifies, because18
the Spirit is the truth. 5:7 For19 there are three that testify,20 5:8
the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three are in
agreement.
5:9 If we accept the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater,
because21 this22 is the testimony of God that23 he has testified
concerning his Son. 5:10 (The one who believes in the Son of God has
the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made him
a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has
testified concerning his Son.)24 5:11 And this is the testimony: God25
has given us eternal life,26 and this life is in his Son. 5:12 The one
who has the Son27 has this28 eternal29 life; the one who does not have
the Son of God does not have this30 eternal31 life.
I got the NET Bible! Thank you. Thank you very much.
I believe the testamony of Jesus Christ! Do you Wax? (I really don't
know)
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| User: "Weatherwax" |
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| Title: Re: Read The Bible ; |
02 Feb 2005 01:59:49 PM |
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"Shaqad" <shaqad@netzero.com> wrote in message
I believe the testamony of Jesus Christ! Do you Wax? (I really don't
know)
We don't have Jesus' testimony. All we have is what other people claim that
Jesus said. Considering how often and readily New Testament writers take
parts of the Old Testament out of context, we have no guarantee that they
are not also taking the statements of Jesus out of context.
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Wax
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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02 Feb 2005 06:38:28 PM |
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Weatherwax wrote:
"Shaqad" <shaqad@netzero.com> wrote in message
I believe the testamony of Jesus Christ! Do you Wax? (I really don't
know)
We don't have Jesus' testimony. All we have is what other people claim that
Jesus said. Considering how often and readily New Testament writers take
parts of the Old Testament out of context, we have no guarantee that they
are not also taking the statements of Jesus out of context.
===>The Gospels are good examples of creative writing and the ancient
practice of copying and rewriting previously written stories. At that time
they did not have copy rights, nor any concept of plagiarism. -- L.
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| User: "Shaqad" |
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02 Feb 2005 05:36:44 PM |
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With study, discernment, practice, and common sense we have the
Testamony of Jesus Christ, in our hearts and minds. Do you believe
Jesus walked the Earth as a man in a flesh body and rose from the dead?
There are 2 words written upon the Sword:
oxxx: common sence>
It cuts through all the nonsense.
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| User: "Weatherwax" |
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02 Feb 2005 10:32:57 PM |
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"Shaqad" <shaqad@netzero.com> wrote
With study, discernment, practice, and common sense we have the
Testamony of Jesus Christ, in our hearts and minds. Do you believe
Jesus walked the Earth as a man in a flesh body and rose from the
dead?
There are 2 words written upon the Sword:
oxxx: common sence>
It cuts through all the nonsense.
There is nothing common about common sense. If you want to cut out all the
nonsense, then the first thing you have to do is drop the asinine
assumption that the Bible is the word of God. Once you do that, then you
find that the Bible cannot stand on its own. Otherwise, you're trying to
prove the Bible beyond all reason.
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Wax
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| User: "Shaqad" |
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03 Feb 2005 03:29:09 AM |
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Just can't do it Wax, I have a scar, I have His mark. He wrote "Bible"
upon my thigh.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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02 Feb 2005 06:39:24 PM |
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Shaqad wrote:
With study, discernment, practice, and common sense we have the
Testamony of Jesus Christ, in our hearts and minds.
===>What you have is STORIES written by creative writers. -- L.
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| User: "Shaqad" |
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31 Jan 2005 03:44:10 PM |
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Interesting translation, I went to the link but see no free
download...where is it?
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| User: "Weatherwax" |
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31 Jan 2005 04:16:59 PM |
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"Shaqad" <shaqad@netzero.com> wrote in message
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Interesting translation, I went to the link but see no free
download...where is it?
Sorry. Go to:
http://www.bible.org/store/category.asp?CategoryID=1&ParentID=0
and then follow down page to where it says "Free NET Bible"
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Wax
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| User: "Shaqad" |
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31 Jan 2005 05:03:55 PM |
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Strange..."Free Net Bible" comes up a blank page, even refreshed.
But thanks Wax, ill take it from here. I would like to have that
Bible, and ill figure out a way.
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| User: "Weatherwax" |
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01 Feb 2005 01:03:06 AM |
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"Shaqad" <shaqad@netzero.com> wrote in message
news:1107212635.304054.237390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Strange..."Free Net Bible" comes up a blank page, even refreshed.
But thanks Wax, ill take it from here. I would like to have that
Bible, and ill figure out a way.
That's odd. But let's try again. Go to:
http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=2579
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Wax
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| User: "Shaqad" |
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01 Feb 2005 03:49:24 AM |
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Thank you, that works!
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| User: "Shaqad" |
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31 Jan 2005 06:06:25 PM |
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Strange..."Free Net Bible" comes up a blank page, even refreshed.
But thanks Wax, ill take it from here. I would like to have that
Bible, and ill figure out a way.
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| User: "Shaqad" |
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31 Jan 2005 06:06:42 PM |
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Strange..."Free Net Bible" comes up a blank page, even refreshed.
But thanks Wax, ill take it from here. I would like to have that
Bible, and ill figure out a way.
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