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Topic: Religions > Bible
User: "Bill"
Date: 22 May 2006 09:49:12 AM
Object: Religion
The best definition for the thousands of religious beliefs is;
Things hoped for but not seen.
--
Bill
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User: "Melchizedek"

Title: Re: Religion 22 May 2006 10:08:49 AM
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:3dkcg.23008$qd2.16797@bignews6.bellsouth.net...

The best definition for the thousands of religious beliefs is;

Things hoped for but not seen.

--
Bill

http://bibleweb.info/
The Triumphs of Faith
1 Now faith is the ?1??a?assurance of things ?2??b?hoped for, the
?3?conviction of ?c?things not seen.
2 For by it the ?a?men of old ?1??b?gained approval.
3 By faith we understand that the ?1??a?worlds were prepared ?b?by the
word of God, so that what is seen ?c?was not made out of things which are
visible.
The phrase "things not seen" is literally "things not yet seen." Faith is the
substance of what you know is coming your way, even though it is not yet seen.
Faith isn't wishful thinking. No, based upon the Word of God, faith says,
"Whether I see it presently, understand it intellectually, or experience it
immediately, I know what God says He'll do, He will do."
Courson, J. (2003). Jon Courson's Application Commentary (1493). Nashville, TN:
Thomas Nelson.
Verse 1 is not really a formal definition of faith; rather it is a description of
what faith does for us. It makes things hoped for as real as if we already had
them, and it provides unshakable evidence that the unseen, spiritual blessings of
Christianity are absolutely certain and real. In other words, it brings the
future within the present and makes the invisible seen.
Faith is confidence in the trustworthiness of God. It is the conviction that what
God says is true and that what He promises will come to pass.
Faith must have some revelation from God, some promise of God as its foundation.
It is not a leap in the dark. It demands the surest evidence in the universe, and
finds it in the word of God. It is not limited to possibilities but invades the
realm of the impossible. Someone has said, "Faith begins where possibilities end.
If it's possible, then there's no glory for God in it."
Faith, mighty faith the promise sees,
And looks to God alone;
Laughs at impossibilities
And cries, "It shall be done."
-Author unknown.
MacDonald, W., & Farstad, A. (1997, c1995). Believer's Bible Commentary : Old and
New Testaments (Heb 11:1). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
1 Or substance
a Heb 3:14
2 Or expected
b Heb 3:6
3 Or evidence
c Rom 8:24; 2 Cor 4:18; 5:7; Heb 11:7, 27
a Heb 1:1
1 Lit obtained a good testimony
b Heb 11:4, 39
1 Lit ages
a John 1:3; Heb 1:2
b Gen ch 1; Ps 33:6, 9; Heb 6:5; 2 Pet 3:5
c Rom 4:17
New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (Heb 11:1-3). LaHabra, CA: The
Lockman Foundation.
.
User: "Doc Smartass"

Title: Re: Religion 22 May 2006 07:21:42 PM
"Melchizedek" <Melchizedek@bibleweb.info> wrote in news:Wtkcg.204$dY4.117
@bignews1.bellsouth.net:

"Melchizedek"

Well ***** me. He's returned.
--
Doc Smartass
"I am George W. Fudd, Miwwionaire. I own a mansion, a yacht, and your phone
number."
.

User: "AcesLucky"

Title: Re: Religion 22 May 2006 03:30:01 PM
Melchizedek wrote:

"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:3dkcg.23008$qd2.16797@bignews6.bellsouth.net...

The best definition for the thousands of religious beliefs is;

Things hoped for but not seen.

--
Bill


http://bibleweb.info/

The Triumphs of Faith
1 Now faith is the ?1??a?assurance of things ?2??b?hoped for, the
?3?conviction of ?c?things not seen.
2 For by it the ?a?men of old ?1??b?gained approval.
3 By faith we understand that the ?1??a?worlds were prepared ?b?by the
word of God, so that what is seen ?c?was not made out of things which are
visible.

The phrase "things not seen" is literally "things not yet seen." Faith is the
substance of what you know is coming your way, even though it is not yet seen.
Faith isn't wishful thinking. No, based upon the Word of God, faith says,
"Whether I see it presently, understand it intellectually, or experience it
immediately, I know what God says He'll do, He will do."

Courson, J. (2003). Jon Courson's Application Commentary (1493). Nashville, TN:
Thomas Nelson.



Verse 1 is not really a formal definition of faith; rather it is a description of
what faith does for us. It makes things hoped for as real as if we already had
them, and it provides unshakable evidence that the unseen, spiritual blessings of
Christianity are absolutely certain and real. In other words, it brings the
future within the present and makes the invisible seen.
Faith is confidence in the trustworthiness of God. It is the conviction that what
God says is true and that what He promises will come to pass.
Faith must have some revelation from God, some promise of God as its foundation.
It is not a leap in the dark. It demands the surest evidence in the universe, and
finds it in the word of God. It is not limited to possibilities but invades the
realm of the impossible. Someone has said, "Faith begins where possibilities end.
If it's possible, then there's no glory for God in it."
Faith, mighty faith the promise sees,
And looks to God alone;
Laughs at impossibilities
And cries, "It shall be done."
-Author unknown.

MacDonald, W., & Farstad, A. (1997, c1995). Believer's Bible Commentary : Old and
New Testaments (Heb 11:1). Nashville: Thomas Nelson.



1 Or substance
a Heb 3:14
2 Or expected
b Heb 3:6
3 Or evidence
c Rom 8:24; 2 Cor 4:18; 5:7; Heb 11:7, 27
a Heb 1:1
1 Lit obtained a good testimony
b Heb 11:4, 39
1 Lit ages
a John 1:3; Heb 1:2
b Gen ch 1; Ps 33:6, 9; Heb 6:5; 2 Pet 3:5
c Rom 4:17
New American Standard Bible : 1995 update. 1995 (Heb 11:1-3). LaHabra, CA: The
Lockman Foundation.


Sounds good. Would you like to give us a demonstration of moving a
mountain with your faith?
(Surely you will do whatever it takes to find a reason NOT to. But in
the end, you will have proven your brand of faith to be nothing more
than wishful thinking.)
The belief of things not in evidence.
If there is a Satan, faith is surely his greatest tool for deception
because it requires blind belief without proof or reason. It is the
anti-science; the anti-knowledge.
It is that which keeps people mired in superstition and ignorance.
.

User: "Uncle Vic"

Title: Re: Religion 22 May 2006 09:42:57 PM
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Melchizedek
(Melchizedek@bibleweb.info) made the light shine upon us with this:


The phrase "things not seen" is literally "things not yet seen." Faith
is the substance of what you know is coming your way, even though it
is not yet seen.

You could take that yet another step and say it is "things probably never
seen", but to do so would take a thinking mind, which you obviously do
not posess.

Faith isn't wishful thinking.

Right. It's wishful thinking by those who have talked themselves into
believing fantasy as reality.

No, based upon the Word
of God, faith says, "Whether I see it presently, understand it
intellectually, or experience it immediately, I know what God says
He'll do, He will do."

That, of course, without supporting evidence, is the essence of wishful
thinking.
<snipshit>
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
The laws that require me to NOT kill people I don't like REALLY bug
me, or there would be many less of YOUR kind.
-John Weatherly
.


User: "Midjis"

Title: Re: Religion 22 May 2006 09:02:56 PM
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:

The best definition for the thousands of religious beliefs is;

Things hoped for but not seen.

Sounds reasonable. In a lot of cases, at least. Yes, I can live with
that.
.

User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim"

Title: Re: Religion 27 May 2006 07:13:02 AM
Actually, the best definition for the thousands of religious beliefs is:
TOTAL AND COMPLETE CROCK OF *****
.


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