"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank wrote:

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Pastor Frank wrote:

"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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Lars Eighner wrote:

In our last episode, <4571ca49$0$20561$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>,
the
lovely and talented Pastor Frank broadcast on alt.atheism:

"Lars Eighner" <usenet@larseighner.com> wrote in message
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In our last episode,
<4571148e$0$20585$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>,
the
lovely and talented Pastor Frank broadcast on alt.atheism:

The Christian religion requires non-violence from its
followers,

Obviously it doesn't.

You can't get less violent than to love your enemies and do
good
unto
those who persecute you. And those were the commandments of Jesus
Christ.

Obviously not since that is not how christian behave. Like it or
not,
actions speak louder than words.

as per Jesus Christ,

According to the myth, he violently attacked the money-changers.

Yes, with a whip made of some string lying about. Are you
into
SM?

though some ignore this injunction.

Proving that it cannot be a divinely-inspired religion.

What then IS a "divinely-inspired religion"? I bet there are
none,
for
atheist doctrine won't allow any religion to be "divinely
inspired".
LOL

Since you have difficulty understanding that, I'll put it this way:
clearly christianity has no infallable teachings, for they all have
failed.
Every time your prophets like Pat Robertson, George Bush, Fred
Phelps,
that Hitler Youth in St. Peter's, Jerry Falwell, or gambling
lobbiest
Ralph
Reed open their mouths is is clear: if what is attribute to christ
is
the
goal of christianity, christianity is a miserable failure.

I would include the charlatan Benny Hinn right in there too

Found yourself another one to lambaste and flame? Tell us about
the
one
you contrast Benny Hinn with and who is NOT a "charlatan" in your
view?
It's
about time you found someone of equal public stature to praise,
affirm,
promote and advocate.

Mahatma Ghandi ...........et al
Hinn fabricates the aftermath of his so called 'miracles' that he
claims
happened yesterday or last week, never live on camera, but of course he
pays
good money for his character actors since he gets it back selling
pathetic
trinkets like
"""Junior Rosaries""" [all leading credit cards accepted]
Religion is, inter alia, a con now
it was a con yesterday
and it was a con two thousand years ago

Do I detect a note of jealousy, that you can't rake it in as well as
Benny can? Selling flashlights losing its lustre? LOL

Hinn 'glossed over' ; well done, it is a skill that many religionists have
polished to a fine art, having little else left on which to support their
myths

Look at it from this side: Benny is not selling healings as much as
he
is selling hope. Once you lose hope, you look for death. Christ said, you
will find what you are looking for more so, than what you are not looking
for. So it makes sense to look for life and purpose instead.

So it's ok to cheat?

So in your books, giving you hope is cheating, even if hope is what
keeps you alive. Bob you are a heartless SOB, aren't you, AND proud of it!!!

Yes well I realised that a long time ago at age around
nine when some preacher was waffling on about a fella two thousand years
ago
walking in water.

It probably was a shallow spot, He knew, and the others didn't. But then
what has that to do with anything?

Is Jesus Christ just a water-walker to
you? He means a lot more to us, and unless you get serious, you will never
know what we have, that you haven't.

It's all a con. Well if yer like it , live with it. I'll chose freedom.

Sure if bad goes to worse with you, you will choose hopelessness and
defeat instead of hope and a positive attitude.

"I have something to say to the religionist who feels atheists never say
anything positive: You are an intelligent human being. Your life is
valuable
for its own sake. You are not second-class in the universe, deriving
meaning
and purpose from some other mind. You are not inherently evil--you are
inherently human, possessing the positive rational potential to help make
this
a world of morality, peace and joy. Trust yourself."
[Dan Barker, Losing Faith in Faith]

Don't all killers "trust themselves". I bet if you asked Hitler or
Stalin or Pol Pot, you will get people who trusted themselves 100%, and had
not only all their actions fully justified to the satisfaction of
themselves, as well as to a great many other people, and surely having no
qualms doing unto others, ....whatever they could get away with.
Are you really that naive, to believe that the worst of the worst don't
trust themselves fully, AND are often enough able to convince others to join
them in doing unto others what they would hate to have done unto themselves?
At least we Christians know, what Christ would have done. There may be some
who would disregard Jesus and do the opposite, and again convince the simple
minded, much like you, that they are supposedly doing God's will.


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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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Pastor Frank wrote:

Do I detect a note of jealousy, that you can't rake it in as well as
Benny can? Selling flashlights losing its lustre? LOL

Yes that is my retirement 'keep the old mind working' hobby business, it
gets
me to meet people and helps pay the light bills.
Last week my wife and I attended, as the founding retired CEO of the
Toyota
dealership here that I ran for twenty four years, their fortieth
anniversary
party. Some of my old staff are still working there including four
disabled
persons who I took on years ago. It was heart warming to be with them
again
and to be on stage toasting a company that was celebrating it's fortieth
anniversary.
It reminded me also of the early eighties, the economy was booming, we
could
never get enough cars to meet demand but our competitors were plowing back
profits into full page media adverts in daily papers both English and
Chinese,
it was sheer madness so I came up with an idea. For six months after
cancelling all advertising and we gave away instead a 14 seater bus each
month
to charity hospitals and the like..
Now put your thinking cap on and see if you can find something Christian
and
nasty to say in response.
Oh and by the way, I can send at least ten photos from the party including
the
disabled, if you care to provide an appropriate email address. I don't
think I
am allowed to post them here.

Look at it from this side: Benny is not selling healings as much as
he
is selling hope. Once you lose hope, you look for death. Christ said, you
will find what you are looking for more so, than what you are not looking
for. So it makes sense to look for life and purpose instead.

Nice that you did some good somewhere, and you should be congratulated
for that, but this is not the issue here. Benny Hinn meets people with
cancer etc. who by all accounts should have given up hope long ago and just
lie there waiting for death.

And there comes Benny Hinn giving them hope
again and confidence and causing them take issue with their problem in a
positive manner, all the while in the knowledge, that they haven't been
abandoned by their maker, no matter what the outcome.

Every statistic confirms, that hope aids healing and that losing hope
hastens death. See whether there is any heart left inside that stone-cold
exterior of yours, and whether you could add "giving hope to the hopeless"
to your list of good works.

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"Nicola" <nicola@banfaithschools.org.uk> wrote in message
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On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:20:55 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu>
wrote:

"Nicola" <nicola@banfaithschools.org.uk> wrote in message
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On Sun, 3 Dec 2006 22:43:19 +0800, "Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu>
wrote:

Yes sure!!! It's a sacred atheists doctrine to find fault, no matter
what, even if the evidence is missing, ...and YOUR evidence is totally
absent.
What happened? Do you consider yourself inerrant, that we all should
need to believe you on your word alone?

No. I do not preach that everyone should do what Jesus told them to.
Do you think that people should follow the instructions that Jesus
gave? If so, why are you not doing it yourself?

How do you know I don't follow the teachings of Jesus. Am I not
spending
time in amiable conversation with His and mine enemies?

You have not given up all of your belongings to follow him. You do not
spend all your time helping the poor and needy. Your conversation is
often far from amiable. You seem happy to threaten people with eternal
damnation for not adopting a lifestyle that you are clearly unwilling
to adopt yourself.

You got any evidence for any of that? But then atheists demand evidence
for everything from theists, don't they, but are quite unwilling or unable
to produce such evidence for their assertions.

Do you suffer from self-aggrandizement, that you expect anyone to
believe you sans evidence of any kind, and on your word alone? Perhaps you
believe yourself to be God in person and yours is a cry for help?