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"Angel - Inner Quest" |
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Religion without science is blind |
Atheism and religious fanaticism
Atheism boasts an impressive list of very influential advocates from
Lincoln, Einstein, Hemingway and Benjamin Franklin to Charles Darwin,
http://www.wonderfulatheistsofcfl.org/Quotes.htm. They include
humanists and agnostics. The best of them espouse high ideals and
actively contribute to the public good. Freethinkers all, seeking for
answers and meaning to life.
And God, if there is One, is believed to have decreed that everyone
have free will, the freedom to believe what he wants to believe and to
live accordingly. We can believe in God or in religion or not and it
will not be counted against us. Even Jesus, the Divine Master admits
but clarifies, "Whoever rejects me and does not accept my teachings
will, nevertheless, be judged according to the truths I have
spoken." (JN12:48)
Regardless of their unbelief and criticisms regarding irrational
church dogma, some atheists, nevertheless, apparently believes in
Jesus and his teachings. Friedrich Nietzsche wrote, "There was only
one true Christian, and he died on the cross." And realizing the
importance of ethical behavior towards our fellowmen, Einstein is
quoted as having written that: "Science without religion is lame.
Religion without science is blind." Further, even as he is
acknowledged by many as the greatest scientific mind of his
generation, he was fully aware that he did not have all the answers.
Therefore he advises us all to remain open saying, "The important
thing is not to stop questioning."
There are many wise, conscientious and productive atheists just as
there are many enlightened and true believers. There are quite a few
religious fanatics and fundamentalists and atheism has its own
misinformed and misguided elements. But let us not be deceived and
neither should we allow a few rotten apples to spoil all the remaining
basketful.
THIRD ORDER - IMPERFECT SPIRITS
From: The Spirits' Book
Sixth Class - Noisy and Boisterous Spirits
Spirits of this kind do not, strictly speaking, form a distinct class
in virtue of their personal qualities; they may belong to all the
classes of the third order. They often manifest their presence by the
production of phenomena perceptible by the senses, such as raps, the
movement and abnormal displacing of solid bodies, the agitation of the
air, etc. They appear to be, more than any other class of spirits,
attached to matter; they seem to be the principal agents in
determining the vicissitudes of the elements of the globe, and to act
upon the air, water, fire and the various bodies in the entrails of
the earth. Whenever these phenomena present a character of intention
and intelligence, it is impossible to attribute them to a mere
fortuitous and physical cause. All spirits are able to produce
physical phenomena; but spirits of elevated degree usually leave them
to those of a lower order, more apt for action upon matter than for
the things of intelligence, and when they judge it to be useful to
produce physical manifestations, employ spirits of subaltern degree as
their auxiliaries.
Seventh Class - Neutral Spirits
They are not sufficiently advanced to take an active part in doing
good, nor are they bad enough to be active in doing wrong. They
incline sometimes to the one, sometimes to the other; and do not rise
above the ordinary level of humanity, either in point of morality or
of intelligence. They are strongly attached to the things of this
world, whose gross satisfactions they regret.
Eight Class - Spirits Who Pretend to More Science than They Possess
Their knowledge is often considerable, but they imagine themselves to
know a good deal more than they know in reality. Having made a certain
amount of progress from various points of view, their language has an
air of gravity that may easily give a false impression as to their
capacities and enlightenment; but their ideas are generally nothing
more than the reflection of the prejudices and false reasoning of the
terrestrial life. Their statements contain a mixture of truths and
absurdities, in the midst of which, traces of presumption, pride,
jealousy and obstinacy, from which they have not yet freed themselves,
are abundantly perceptible.
Ninth Class - Frivolous Spirits
They are ignorant, mischievous, unreasonable and addicted to mockery.
They meddle with everything and reply to every question without paying
any attention to truth. They delight in causing petty annoyances, in
raising false hopes of petty joys, in misleading people by
mystifications and trickery. The spirits vulgarly called hobgoblins,
will-o'-the-wisps, gnomes, etc. belong to this class. They are under
the orders of spirits of a higher category, who make use of them as we
do of servants.
Tenth Class - Impure Spirits
They are inclined to evil, and make it an object of all their thoughts
and activities. As spirits, they give to men perfidious counsels, stir
up discord and distrust, and assume every sort of mask in order the
more effectually to deceive. They beset those whose character is weak
enough to lead them to yield to their suggestions, and whom they thus
draw aside from the path of progress, rejoicing when they are to
retard their advancement by causing them to succumb under the
appointed trials of the corporeal life. Spirits of this class may be
recognized by their language, for the employment of coarse or trivial
expressions by spirits, as by men, is always an indication of moral,
if not of intellectual, inferiority. Their communications show the
baseness of their inclinations; and though they may try to impose upon
us by speaking with an appearance of reason and propriety, they are
unable to keep up that false appearance, and end by betraying their
real quality. Certain nations have made of them infernal deities;
others designate them by the name of demons, evil genii or evil
spirits.
The human beings in whom they are incarnated are addicted to all the
vices engendered by vile and degrading passions - sensuality, cruelty,
roguery, hypocrisy, cupidity, avarice. They do evil for its own sake,
without any definite motive; and, from hatred to all that is good,
they generally choose their victims from among honest and worthy
people. They are the pests of humanity, to whatever rank of society
they belong; and the varnish of a civilized education is ineffectual
to cure or to hide their degrading defects.
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| User: "jygfqwv3qeruc" |
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| Title: Re: Religion without science is blind |
28 Mar 2007 08:23:01 AM |
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"Angel - Inner Quest" <luz@nerdshack.com> wrote in message
news:1173822774.497126.248180@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Atheism and religious fanaticism
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The problem with many scientists and engineers is that their education
indoctrinates them into the religion of materialism and like many religions
this religion rejects anything heretical to it. Therefore many scientists
and engineers reject the many scientific observations that prove the
afterlife and psychic phenomena. For more information on the scientific
observations that prove the afterlife and psychic phenomena have a look at
this web site:
http://www.victorzammit.com/book/4thedition/index.html
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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28 Mar 2007 12:45:35 PM |
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jygfqwv3qeruc wrote:
"Angel - Inner Quest" <luz@nerdshack.com> wrote in message
news:1173822774.497126.248180@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Atheism and religious fanaticism
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The problem with many scientists and engineers is that their education
indoctrinates them into the religion of materialism and like many religions
this religion rejects anything heretical to it.
===>The problem with religionists like you is,
you guys are so ambarrassed about the nonsense you believe in,
you try to label everything else -- atheism, materialism, etc.
a "religion".
Therefore many scientists
and engineers reject the many scientific observations that prove the
afterlife and psychic phenomena.
===>As a religionist and a believer, disturbed by the overwhelming
LACK of evidence for anything you accept on faith, you imagine
there is some scientific evidence for those things.
For more information on the scientific
observations that prove the afterlife and psychic phenomena have a look at
this web site:
http://www.victorzammit.com/book/4thedition/index.html
===>Are you suggesting that those particular scientists were free of
credulousness?
Do you know what VERIFIABILITY means? -- L.
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Mike Dobony" |
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| Title: Re: Religion without science is blind |
17 Mar 2007 09:34:21 PM |
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"Angel - Inner Quest" <luz@nerdshack.com> wrote in message
news:1173822774.497126.248180@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Atheism and religious fanaticism
Atheism boasts an impressive list of very influential advocates from
Lincoln, Einstein, Hemingway and Benjamin Franklin to Charles Darwin,
http://www.wonderfulatheistsofcfl.org/Quotes.htm. They include
humanists and agnostics. The best of them espouse high ideals and
actively contribute to the public good. Freethinkers all, seeking for
answers and meaning to life.
Lincoln was very religious, believed in God (and therefore NOT an atheist),
prayign to God daily, and finally became a Christian just before he died.
Einstein praise the CHRISTIAN founders of science. Darwin rejected both
religion and science.
And God, if there is One, is believed to have decreed that everyone
have free will, the freedom to believe what he wants to believe and to
live accordingly. We can believe in God or in religion or not and it
will not be counted against us. Even Jesus, the Divine Master admits
but clarifies, "Whoever rejects me and does not accept my teachings
will, nevertheless, be judged according to the truths I have
spoken." (JN12:48)
?????????????????????????????????
John 12:48
48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words;
that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day.
(from New International Version)
Since you like John so much, how about
1 John 5:12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God
does not have life.
(from New International Version)
Regardless of their unbelief and criticisms regarding irrational
church dogma, some atheists, nevertheless, apparently believes in
Jesus and his teachings. Friedrich Nietzsche wrote, "There was only
one true Christian, and he died on the cross."
Nietzsche will not judge us, Christ will. What Nietzsche wrote is
irrelevant to eternal life as he has no credentials to his credit as far as
eternal life. A true Christian is whoever Christ says is a Christian.
And realizing the
importance of ethical behavior towards our fellowmen, Einstein is
quoted as having written that: "Science without religion is lame.
Religion without science is blind." Further, even as he is
acknowledged by many as the greatest scientific mind of his
generation, he was fully aware that he did not have all the answers.
Therefore he advises us all to remain open saying, "The important
thing is not to stop questioning."
There are many wise, conscientious and productive atheists just as
there are many enlightened and true believers.
But Nietzsche said there was only one true Christian (aka true believer).
So make up your mind. Many true believers or one.
Who is wise but one who builds his life on Christ for what does it matter if
the "wise" gain the whole world and end up in Hell, and loose his soul?
Such a "wise" man is nothing but a fool. Lesson from machinist class, junk
measuring equipment gives you junk measurements. You need a true and
accurate measurement. You want to measure yourself against a false
measurement you are unwise.
There are quite a few
religious fanatics and fundamentalists and atheism has its own
misinformed and misguided elements. But let us not be deceived and
neither should we allow a few rotten apples to spoil all the remaining
basketful.
True. I just don't have enough faith to reject the overwhelming evidence
for God adn become an atheist.
THIRD ORDER - IMPERFECT SPIRITS
From: The Spirits' Book
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| User: "Malcolm" |
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19 Mar 2007 12:25:42 AM |
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Cain was John
Genesis 4:8 vy`mr qyn `l-hbl `xyv vyhy bhyvtm bsdh vyqm qyn `l-hbl `xyv
vyhrghv.
14th Dynasty Pharaoh Khyan succeeded a King whose cartouche reads HBR.
There was no letter 'L' in Egyptian and we find that foreign names with an
'L', were written with an 'R' or 'W'. This Hyksos King was therefore
very likely HBL to his own people who occupied and ruled most of Lower
Egypt.
The glyphs for Khyan suggest a pronunciation like 'Cheeaan', the 'Ch' being
aspirated as in Scottish loch. We have some confirmation from Manetho
who lists Khyan as Yanni or Yannis - still Greek for John. This king
was also known to be Aan or Ani - as in the Maxims of Ani.
Most unlikely to be a coincidence, since we can identify Joshua (1 Samuel)
as the Pyramid builder, Djoser, and Horemheb whose throne name began with
Djoser as the Joshua who succeeded Akhenaten/Moses. "The Mystery of the
Copper Scroll of Qumran" by Robert Feather shows that the name of Akhenaten
appears in the Scroll in Greek letters, and weights etc. in the Scroll are
also Egyptian.
Jacob was the Pharaoh Yakob whose name is mistranslated. The ideograms are
that and not letters. They say 'Sacred' and 'Pure, Priest or Water'.
Nahor was King Nahos, Thera was the throne name of Nahor, not an in
between generation. His son Ma'ibre was Abram - glyphs are nearly always
reversed or placed in a different order when spoken.
Phalec was Wegaf, and Serug, Reu have also been identied as Kings of Egypt.
David was the name of a number of Egyptian Kings from Djayhwt I, down to
YmnTwtAnkh (Twt being an abbreviation and = DWD in Hebrew - David)
Solomon his father was SalimAmen aka Ymnhtp III. Tons of evidence here.
Enough to convict Jack the Ripper. Even the Hall of Columns in his Palace
at Malqata Luxor matches 1 Kings 7 description down to within two or three
millimetres. The 80,000 stone quarry men are recorded also by Manetho
who says that they were needed to quarry stone for the Temple of Amenophis -
Greek name for Ymnhtp.
The Temple measurements in Kings and Chronicles is absurd. The wings of
the cherubim alone would spread from wall to wall leaving no room for their
bodies. Nor would it have taken 150,000 workers to build what is no bigger
than a chicken outhouse. The real Temple is in Karnak, and some idiots
had that description, but then measured the chicken outhouse on Temple Mount
for measurements.
Joseph was Joseph - the father in law of Ymnhtp III and head of his
chariotry.
On the golden shrine of YmnTwtAnkh a cartouche clearly reads 'God of all
Hprws'. The Hprw glyph is a Scarab, and St.Ambrose referred many times to
Jesus as The Good Scarabaeus.
The Kebra Nagast mentions a legend that says that a girl called Eteye was
the mother of David who was also known as Menelek (from Ymn Twt Ankh which
= Ymn El Ankh or Ek) His mother was indeed the wife of SalimAmen - Queen
Etiye.
The Holy Trinity is painted on the wall of David's tomb and the
Annunciation, Conception, Birth, and Adoration are shown in four scenes in
the Temple of Solomon at Luxor. Only difference is that the goddess
Hathor-MERI (means 'Beloved of) did the conceiving while the Queen mother
carried out the physical birth. The men kneeling in adoration are Three in
number - which is not stated in the Bible.
All Kings of this period were seen as the Living Son of God who was HR and
was also IUSU (Renamed Iesous by the Greeks and Jesus in English)
All the stories pertaining to the Gospel Jesus were also performed by the
Spiritual Iusu. The Water into Wine is a variation of the Uaka Festival
of Wine and Water.
The Kings were also believed to be "BORN OF THE MOON GOD YAH" - In
Egyptian - MS IAH. Reversed when written to place the name of god first,
this becomes IAH MS or James. (The plural letter in Egyptian was a 'W',
thus Yahweh is simply the plural for Yah). Refer Genesis 1:26 where the
Gods speak of themselves in the plural.
KRST does not really mean Annointed. It should really be translated as
'Burial' or 'Buried'. It appears on the coffins of many Egyptians.
Mount Sinai is the Great Pyramid which was Mount Shennai to Egyptians. It
is shown on the back of an American One Dollar Note with a Benben or Ark
taking off, with the eye of R looking out. A miniature stone benben found
in a priest's tomb has the God R standing in a hatchway wearing a space
helmet. Sumerian writings describe the Benben as metallic with coloured
lights changing colour around it. This same object was seen landing in a
field at Bentwater in England in 1980 by an American Officer. It was
triangular shaped - like the apron worn by King David (Twt) on a wooden
statuette found in his tomb.
If you have open minds you should be able to check all of this out.
The Hall of Columns ruins with scale map can be found on the Net.
Malqata ruins have also given up faience book labels - so Solomon had a
library like any other wise man. Also found there - pieces of glazed
tiles with pictures of fish and ducks swimming in water - this confirms that
this was the room that Sheba was surprised with - in the Koran.
The amount of Gold found at Akhetaten -Armana - matches to within
4% that listed in one of the Copper Scroll columns - but there is still more
to be found - Robert Feather says try Akhetaten. I say try Karnak, since
the Temple alignments are all the same with Qumran - in line with the
constellation of Aries. This alignment of Aries with Karnak has been noted
by a Belgian - you'll find it on the Net. The avenue between temples is
lined with Ram headed Sphinxes. However many Egyptians still held faithful
to Taurus as the birthplace of Iusu/Jesus, and this caused some terrible
wars. Nevertheless they all seem to have recognised Ymn as god, apart
from Moses who wanted to call him The Lord - Aten in Egyptian, Adonis in
Greek, Adhonai (Hebrew?). This is the same god who is still addressed
at the end of every prayer.
The correct form of prayer is given in Nehemiah 8:6 - kneeling
prostrate with face to the ground.
Testament derives from the same source as Testes, and it was an old
Hebrew practice to grab hold of the guy's willy when they made an oath to
him - see Genesis 24:2 and 24:9. In other words they were swearing by his
most precious possession.
Revelation was purchased in 510B CE from Sybil and it was then
known as The Mysteries of Osiris and Isis". It was very popular with the
people - so just had to go into the NT. John in places is word for word
the same as old Essene writings.
Luke 14:26 - Miseo only means 'hate, loathe, and detest'. It
does not mean 'love less'. This would have been written as Agapa
Ligoteros - forgive my Greek grammar ...out of practice.
Some of these outrageous verses, including Matthew 10:34/35/36
probably have some source in Egyptian which would make sense. The Fig Tree
does for instance in the original Egyptian version. The Egyptians too
used to place spots of blood on doorposts as in the Passover, but I haven't
yet found the original reason. It is mentioned in the Maxims of Ani, as is
the instruction - never pray in Temple, Church or Synagogue or in Public.
In the Maxims such prayer we are told is an abomination. But then priests
need it to fork in the offerings. All part of the Business?
Suggest you all learn Egyptian and to read the glyphs for
yourselves as many translations have been proved false - and deliberate to
uphold religious misconceptions.
"Mike Dobony" <sword@notasarian-host.net> wrote in message
news:Ny1Lh.3805$Qw.3310@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
"Angel - Inner Quest" <luz@nerdshack.com> wrote in message
news:1173822774.497126.248180@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
Atheism and religious fanaticism
Atheism boasts an impressive list of very influential advocates from
Lincoln, Einstein, Hemingway and Benjamin Franklin to Charles Darwin,
http://www.wonderfulatheistsofcfl.org/Quotes.htm. They include
humanists and agnostics. The best of them espouse high ideals and
actively contribute to the public good. Freethinkers all, seeking for
answers and meaning to life.
Lincoln was very religious, believed in God (and therefore NOT an
atheist), prayign to God daily, and finally became a Christian just before
he died. Einstein praise the CHRISTIAN founders of science. Darwin
rejected both religion and science.
And God, if there is One, is believed to have decreed that everyone
have free will, the freedom to believe what he wants to believe and to
live accordingly. We can believe in God or in religion or not and it
will not be counted against us. Even Jesus, the Divine Master admits
but clarifies, "Whoever rejects me and does not accept my teachings
will, nevertheless, be judged according to the truths I have
spoken." (JN12:48)
?????????????????????????????????
John 12:48
48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my
words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day.
(from New International Version)
Since you like John so much, how about
1 John 5:12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of
God does not have life.
(from New International Version)
Regardless of their unbelief and criticisms regarding irrational
church dogma, some atheists, nevertheless, apparently believes in
Jesus and his teachings. Friedrich Nietzsche wrote, "There was only
one true Christian, and he died on the cross."
Nietzsche will not judge us, Christ will. What Nietzsche wrote is
irrelevant to eternal life as he has no credentials to his credit as far
as eternal life. A true Christian is whoever Christ says is a Christian.
And realizing the
importance of ethical behavior towards our fellowmen, Einstein is
quoted as having written that: "Science without religion is lame.
Religion without science is blind." Further, even as he is
acknowledged by many as the greatest scientific mind of his
generation, he was fully aware that he did not have all the answers.
Therefore he advises us all to remain open saying, "The important
thing is not to stop questioning."
There are many wise, conscientious and productive atheists just as
there are many enlightened and true believers.
But Nietzsche said there was only one true Christian (aka true believer).
So make up your mind. Many true believers or one.
Who is wise but one who builds his life on Christ for what does it matter
if the "wise" gain the whole world and end up in Hell, and loose his soul?
Such a "wise" man is nothing but a fool. Lesson from machinist class,
junk measuring equipment gives you junk measurements. You need a true and
accurate measurement. You want to measure yourself against a false
measurement you are unwise.
There are quite a few
religious fanatics and fundamentalists and atheism has its own
misinformed and misguided elements. But let us not be deceived and
neither should we allow a few rotten apples to spoil all the remaining
basketful.
True. I just don't have enough faith to reject the overwhelming evidence
for God adn become an atheist.
THIRD ORDER - IMPERFECT SPIRITS
From: The Spirits' Book
snip<
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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13 Mar 2007 05:12:33 PM |
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On 13 Mar 2007 14:52:54 -0700, "Angel - Inner Quest"
<luz@nerdshack.com> claimed:
Atheism and religious fanaticism
Atheists are religious nuts and unfortunately,
Christians are fooled into thinking that the
opinions of atheistic scienTISTS, is SCIENCE.
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Jesus was either honest, or He wasn't.
He either returned within the time frame
that He stated, or Deut 18:22 applies.
He said to those standing in front of Him,
"this generation". Now what does that
phrase mean, any other time you hear it?
Or does it only mean what you know it
means, until you open a Bible and then,
language falls apart and reverses itself?
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