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Religious Intolerance |
Unholy Mother of Intolerance
The Inquisition
by Avro Manhattan
If Hitler should return and proclaim deep love for the Jews; or Stalin
appear and declare himself a Capitalist, would we not take them with a
largish pinch of salt? Well, then! Why should we react differently to a
similar "phoney" conversion of an institution which has surpassed the evil
of both these dictators?
Today the Catholic church claims heartfelt love for all those outside her.
This is as incongruous as the claims of a repentant Hitler or Stalin. Indeed
it would be laughably ridiculous if we were not dealing with tragic matters.
Her sudden desire to "embrace the separated brethren" is nothing but her
latest device to make people forget the basic spirit of intolerance and
fanaticism. That spirit is as alive as ever, ready to strike should the
opportunity present itself.
All her actions in past centuries speak of nothing else. Her main excuse for
intolerance makes strange logic: She is specifically charged by God to save
the souls of all Christians. Since the killing of souls was worse than the
killing of bodies, she reasoned, and since heretics used their bodies to
kill souls, their bodies should pay for the sins of the wicked souls they
housed.
Thanks to this Catholic logic, soon the ecclesiastical and temporal
machineries of the Western world were enriched with the noble practice of
judicial torture, expressly employed by Holy Mother Church for the
suppression of heresy, later known as Protestantism.
In 1252 Pope Innocent IV issued Bull AS EXTIRPANDA. It became the classic in
inquisitorial procedure. It provides:
1. that anyone may seize a heretic and despoil him of his property;
2. that every magistrate shall appoint an inquisitorial commission, whose
salaries are to be paid by the State;
3. that no law may be passed interfering with these Inquisitors;
4. that heretics who will not confess their heresy shall be tortured;
5. that the confiscated property of heretics shall be thus divided:
one-third to the Inquisitors and the bishops, one-third to the city, and
one-third to those who aided in the arrest and conviction.
Pope Innocent gave precise instructions to all Inquisitors to enforce the
regulations throughout Europe. Eventually it was made Statute Law. The
regular clergy proved reluctant, so the popes turned to the most fanatical,
intolerant and narrow-minded section of the Church structure, the sundry
monastic orders.
The two which excelled in their infamous task were the Dominicans and the
Franciscans. Armed with practically unlimited power from the popes, these
Inquisitors swarmed all over Europe like theological hornets, setting up
tribunals wherever they appeared.
Soon individuals, communities, nations, and indeed, the very hierarchy
trembled at the mere mention of their names. Wherever they came,
denunciations, accusation, treachery, perjury, torture, woe, and death
resulted.
The hooded Inquisitors did not content themselves with establishing their
court in the sundry lands of Europe. Pope Gregory IX appointed a Dominican
Grand Inquisitor for the whole of Armenia and Russia. Pope Urban VI ordered
the General of the Dominicans to appoint Inquisitors for Armenia, Greece and
Tartary (China).
Pope Nicholas IV asked the Patriarch of Jerusalem to create Inquisitors from
the mendicant friars in his land. Pope Gregory XI granted authority to the
Franciscan Provincial in the Holy Land to act as Chief Inquisitor in Syria,
Palestine and even Egypt.
When an Inquisitor arrived everybody was commanded, in obedience to the pope
and to Mother Church, to disclose the name of anyone suspected of the
slightest deviation from the Faith. The Inquisitors issued a compelling
threat and a promise. A denouncer would get an indulgence of three years.
Those avoiding their duty would be excommunicated.
Some denunciations were factual but many were concocted by vengeance, spite
of jealousy. Those denounced, even on the flimsiest accusation or mere
suspicion, would be arrested and flung directly into prison.
This usually was a common dungeon. Cold and damp, it lacked light or
sanitation, and contained cut-throats, thieves, and the like. Among these
the friars would plant spies to induce the accused, by pretended friendship,
threats, or other methods, to admit his guilt.
If this first step proved insufficient, the suspected heretic would be
chained with heavy irons and left to starve in a dark, foul hole called the
durus carcer--"cruel prison." The accused was then brought before the
inquisitorial tribunal composed of friars. If he asked the names of his
accusers, he was told that only his judges had the right to know their
names. He had no such right.
He was asked to confess to his guilt. If he pleaded innocence, he would be
sent back to prison. On a second or third appearance before the Court, if he
persisted he was put to torture. The whole purpose of his trial, of course,
was to force a confession of heresy.
Torture was inflicted without solid proof of guilt. Two complainers or even
one single accuser was sufficient for subjection to the agonies of torture,
even if the accused man had, until then, been of unblemished character,
pristine honesty and genuine piety.
The methods, kinds and degrees of torture were endless. The three basic ones
employed were hoisting the man to the ceiling by his hands tied behind his
back, breaking him on the rack, or greasing his feet and thrusting them into
the fire.
If, following all the exquisite devices of torture, the heretic refused to
recant or to admit his guilt, then the Inquisitors would pass capital
sentence of heresy. Having done that, they would hand him over to the
"secular arm," the civil authorities.
To complete the macabre farce, the Holy Inquisitors would ask these same
temporal powers, in the name of the Church, not to kill the poor accused.
This formality was a mere legalistic device to make the Church appear
innocent of the blood which was about to be spilled--or rather, burned.
The civil authorities could not heed this hypocritical plea, however, lest
the Holy Inquisition fall upon them. Refusal to burn the heretic would have
placed the temporal authorities themselves on trial for their lives. For
heresy, of course!
Soon no one was safe from potential arrest. The spying, denunciation, and
hunting down of heretics reached cleric or lay, men or women, noble or
common. No one was immune from the terrorizing omnipresence of the Holy
Inquisition.
This reign of Catholic terror lasted for centuries. Hundreds of thousands of
men, women, and yes, even children were murdered...burned alive at the
stake. Simply because they dared to disagree with the Holy Catholic Church
or with her popes.
This Catholic terror officially ended less than two hundred years ago. As
recently as 1762 a Protestant pastor was condemned to death in France. Why?
Simply because he was a Protestant! By whom? By the Catholic Church! Yes, by
that same church which now pretends to love her "dear separated brethren."
Indeed, in Europe torture was still enforced by all the Tribunals of the
Holy Inquisition until the last century, the pope being forced to abolish it
only in 1816.
It was Napoleon, who entered Madrid in 1808, who was to abolish the
Inquisition. When the Spanish Parliament in 1813 declared it incompatible
with the Constitution, the Vatican protested. Super-Catholic Ferdinand VII
restored it in 1814, with the full approval of the Church. The Holy
Inquisition was finally suppressed by the Liberals in July, 1834.
Yes, SUPPRESSED. Was not this same spirit still alive in Croatia in 1942
when the Catholic Ustachi mutilated hundreds of thousands of Serbian
"heretics?" Or in South Vietnam in 1960 when Catholic President Diem set out
to rid that country of Buddhist "heretics?" Or in 1983 when Christmas
shoppers in Protestant ("heretic") London were blasted into eternity by a
Catholic IRA terrorist bomb in a crowded department store?
So the Office of the Holy Inquisition was abolished only as recently as last
century. Let us never forget that the Catholic Church was forced to abolish
it by a lay government. Yet it is still alive, a roaring lion gnashing at
his cage bars still seeking whom he may devour.
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23 Dec 2004 06:57:46 PM |
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"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in message
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Unholy Mother of Intolerance
The Inquisition
by Avro Manhattan
If Hitler should return and proclaim deep love for the Jews; or Stalin
appear and declare himself a Capitalist, would we not take them with a
largish pinch of salt? Well, then! Why should we react differently to a
similar "phoney" conversion of an institution which has surpassed the evil
of both these dictators?
Today the Catholic church claims heartfelt love for all those outside her.
This is as incongruous as the claims of a repentant Hitler or Stalin.
Indeed
it would be laughably ridiculous if we were not dealing with tragic
matters.
Her sudden desire to "embrace the separated brethren" is nothing but her
latest device to make people forget the basic spirit of intolerance and
fanaticism. That spirit is as alive as ever, ready to strike should the
opportunity present itself.
<snip>
How can one be so blind and support this kind of teachings & belief?
But up to now, millions of followers defend RCC teachings. How sad.
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24 Dec 2004 01:55:01 PM |
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"Streamer" <Stream_Haze@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in message
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Unholy Mother of Intolerance
The Inquisition
by Avro Manhattan
If Hitler should return and proclaim deep love for the Jews; or
Stalin appear and declare himself a Capitalist, would we not take
them with a largish pinch of salt? Well, then! Why should we react
differently to a similar "phoney" conversion of an institution which
has surpassed the evil of both these dictators?
Today the Catholic church claims heartfelt love for all those outside
her. This is as incongruous as the claims of a repentant Hitler or
Stalin. Indeed
it would be laughably ridiculous if we were not dealing with tragic
matters.
Her sudden desire to "embrace the separated brethren" is nothing but
her latest device to make people forget the basic spirit of
intolerance and fanaticism. That spirit is as alive as ever, ready to
strike should the opportunity present itself.
<snip>
How can one be so blind and support this kind of teachings & belief?
But up to now, millions of followers defend RCC teachings. How sad.
The Puritans did exactly the same when they controlled England.
The RCC has no monopoly on bigotry. And today's latter-day bigots would,
given the opportunity, do the same again only on a scale that would
beggar Hitler's worst efforts. Bigots are bigots, no matter what color
robe they wear.
Incidentally, the inquisition actually executed nobody. They turned
their victims over to secular authorities who did it in the name of
secular order. Torture was the common method of interrogating prisoners
in that day and age. The inquisition's use of it was actually quite mild
compared to what you would be subjected to by secular authorities
interested in whether you had stolen something of any value.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
A false witness is worse than no witness at all.
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| User: "j w" |
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25 Dec 2004 07:13:58 AM |
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:55:01 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
"Streamer" <Stream_Haze@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in message
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Unholy Mother of Intolerance
The Inquisition
by Avro Manhattan
If Hitler should return and proclaim deep love for the Jews; or
Stalin appear and declare himself a Capitalist, would we not take
them with a largish pinch of salt? Well, then! Why should we react
differently to a similar "phoney" conversion of an institution which
has surpassed the evil of both these dictators?
Today the Catholic church claims heartfelt love for all those outside
her. This is as incongruous as the claims of a repentant Hitler or
Stalin. Indeed
it would be laughably ridiculous if we were not dealing with tragic
matters.
Her sudden desire to "embrace the separated brethren" is nothing but
her latest device to make people forget the basic spirit of
intolerance and fanaticism. That spirit is as alive as ever, ready to
strike should the opportunity present itself.
<snip>
How can one be so blind and support this kind of teachings & belief?
But up to now, millions of followers defend RCC teachings. How sad.
The Puritans did exactly the same when they controlled England.
The RCC has no monopoly on bigotry. And today's latter-day bigots would,
given the opportunity, do the same again only on a scale that would
beggar Hitler's worst efforts. Bigots are bigots, no matter what color
robe they wear.
Interesting how Dave makes NO apology nor excuse for Rome's thousand +
year reign of terror. INSTEAD he points to the sins of others.
Like the 3 year old caught with his hand in the forbidden cookie jar
and crumbs all over his face. He points to his sister, and says, "she
ate some too!"
The topic was Rome's intolerance and bigotry. Not "everyone else's".
Incidentally, the inquisition actually executed nobody. They turned
their victims over to secular authorities who did it in the name of
secular order.
Torture, rape, and murder with Rome's FULL approval.
jw
Torture was the common method of interrogating prisoners
in that day and age.
And what was this "crime?" The crime was to disagree with Rome's
pagan version of Christianity.
The inquisition's use of it was actually quite mild
compared to what you would be subjected to by secular authorities
interested in whether you had stolen something of any value.
Oh, what "RCC-Approved" rubbish.
Note, all,
NO apologies, NO repentance. JUST "look what the OTHER guys were
doing!"
And some wonder why Christians call Roman Catholics "arrogant."
jw
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:55:01 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
"Streamer" <Stream_Haze@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in message
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Unholy Mother of Intolerance
The Inquisition
by Avro Manhattan
If Hitler should return and proclaim deep love for the Jews; or
Stalin appear and declare himself a Capitalist, would we not take
them with a largish pinch of salt? Well, then! Why should we react
differently to a similar "phoney" conversion of an institution which
has surpassed the evil of both these dictators?
Today the Catholic church claims heartfelt love for all those outside
her. This is as incongruous as the claims of a repentant Hitler or
Stalin. Indeed
it would be laughably ridiculous if we were not dealing with tragic
matters.
Her sudden desire to "embrace the separated brethren" is nothing but
her latest device to make people forget the basic spirit of
intolerance and fanaticism. That spirit is as alive as ever, ready to
strike should the opportunity present itself.
<snip>
How can one be so blind and support this kind of teachings & belief?
But up to now, millions of followers defend RCC teachings. How sad.
The Puritans did exactly the same when they controlled England.
The RCC has no monopoly on bigotry. And today's latter-day bigots would,
given the opportunity, do the same again only on a scale that would
beggar Hitler's worst efforts. Bigots are bigots, no matter what color
robe they wear.
Interesting how Dave makes NO apology nor excuse for Rome's thousand +
year reign of terror. INSTEAD he points to the sins of others.
So, you do that all the time, like with your saying king george is not
doing anything that everyone else is not doing, what was it, two, three
days ago.
Like the 3 year old caught with his hand in the forbidden cookie jar
and crumbs all over his face. He points to his sister, and says, "she
ate some too!"
So you say, but there is not difference unless you are the one playing that
game.
The fact is that the Puritans left Europe due to them not being allowed to
pass strict laws in the name of their gods. They could not get the
Governments to permit them the political power they wanted so they could
pass Draconian laws.
The topic was Rome's intolerance and bigotry. Not "everyone else's".
The topic is whatever gets posted, usenet is like that. Posts go where they
will.
Now, the topic for you is generally one of wallowing in the process of
trying to point out how bad everything but your version of the bleaters
game is, but that's just you.
Incidentally, the inquisition actually executed nobody. They turned
their victims over to secular authorities who did it in the name of
secular order.
Torture, rape, and murder with Rome's FULL approval.
This is different from the protestant's bad habits of, say hanging
Catholics or Quaker's, in what way. They did not even have a remote
authority to blame, they wrote those laws themselves.
No jw, it is true that those were bad times, but the bleaters other than
Roma's had their hands in the burning times as well.
That Others than you recognise that, & simply do what they can to prevent
the return of such is beyond you.
jw
Torture was the common method of interrogating prisoners
in that day and age.
And what was this "crime?" The crime was to disagree with Rome's
pagan version of Christianity.
The crime on record was usually failing to believe in on christ the lord of
the day, compounded with other crimes.
Those crimes could range from spiting in a Lord's presence to withcraft
[you know, bogy's like you like to pretend others are.]
There was no singular crime, & the church indeed had exceeded its
authority. But then, for all practical purposes, it was a theocracy back
then.
You might try reading up on the political uses of the inquisition, it was
not all Roma's doing.
The inquisition's use of it was actually quite mild
compared to what you would be subjected to by secular authorities
interested in whether you had stolen something of any value.
Oh, what "RCC-Approved" rubbish.
According to you, but then, you are the one that can not discuss the
messiah concept held at the time your non-messiah showed up. So your claims
are not worth all that much.
Note, all,
NO apologies, NO repentance. JUST "look what the OTHER guys were
doing!"
Just like you did the other day. not really. He did not justify anything
from what I've seen, lie you tried to do with Bush.
Not to mention, it is not his place to apologise for the dead, just try to
prevent it from happening again.
And some wonder why Christians call Roman Catholics "arrogant."
No, but some wonder why you can not stand them. Is it your fear of demons,
or your fear that like last year, they will not bring you two xmas meals?
It really does not matter as long as you are held without power, but it is
a point of curiosity of how one who has demonstrated so much lack of
knowledge about the myth can pretend to be such an authority on it.
My guess is they would not let you be a choir boy.
jw
the stench from the post said it was yours, & it was right.
walksalone who can safely say he can tell the difference between an idol &
a statue, even though jw pretends he can, its obvious he can't.
for jw's lack of education.
Sacred stones, or idols?
Sacred Stones in the Desert. By Uzi Avner. Biblical Archaeology Review
May, June 2001.
I will concentrate here on the first type of masseboth, those that
represent deities and their abodes. One Biblical example is the story of
Jacob at Beth-El. After he awakens from his dream of a ladder ascending to
heaven, Jacob takes the stone that served as his pillow and sets it up,
declaring, "This stone that I have set up as a pillar (massebah) shall be
God's house" (Genesis 28:22). He probably believed that the stone contained
God's power and spirit.
Three inscribed basalt stelae or pillars were discovered near Sefire,
Syria, probably in the teens of the 20th century, under circumstances that
are still unclear. These Sefire inscriptions, first published in 1931,
record an eighth-century B.C.E. treaty between the vassal/king of Arpad and
his overlord. The text, the longest intact inscription in Old Aramaic,
contains over 100 legible lines. An introductory section invokes several
well-known Syrian and Mesopotamian gods as witnesses to the treaty. It then
identifies the stone pillars upon which the treaty is inscribed as the
"house of god."(3)
--
The Hadith Qudsi 6
The first of people against whom judgment will be pronounced on the Day of
Resurrection will be a man who died a martyr. He will be brought and Allah
will make known to him His favours and he will recognize them.
The Almighty will say: And what did you do about them? He will say: I
fought for you until I died a martyr. He will say: You have lied - you did
but fight that it might be said [of you]: He is courageous. And so it was
said.
Then he will be ordered to be dragged along on his face until he is cast
into Hell-fire.
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25 Dec 2004 11:23:28 AM |
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j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:55:01 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
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"Streamer" <Stream_Haze@yahoo.com> wrote in
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"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in message
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Unholy Mother of Intolerance
The Inquisition
by Avro Manhattan
If Hitler should return and proclaim deep love for the Jews; or
Stalin appear and declare himself a Capitalist, would we not take
them with a largish pinch of salt? Well, then! Why should we react
differently to a similar "phoney" conversion of an institution
which has surpassed the evil of both these dictators?
Today the Catholic church claims heartfelt love for all those
outside her. This is as incongruous as the claims of a repentant
Hitler or Stalin. Indeed
it would be laughably ridiculous if we were not dealing with tragic
matters.
Her sudden desire to "embrace the separated brethren" is nothing
but her latest device to make people forget the basic spirit of
intolerance and fanaticism. That spirit is as alive as ever, ready
to strike should the opportunity present itself.
<snip>
How can one be so blind and support this kind of teachings & belief?
But up to now, millions of followers defend RCC teachings. How sad.
The Puritans did exactly the same when they controlled England.
The RCC has no monopoly on bigotry. And today's latter-day bigots
would, given the opportunity, do the same again only on a scale that
would beggar Hitler's worst efforts. Bigots are bigots, no matter
what color robe they wear.
Interesting how Dave makes NO apology nor excuse for Rome's thousand +
year reign of terror. INSTEAD he points to the sins of others.
I wasn't trying to. But these were YOUR ancestors and mine conducting
this reign of terror that you complain of and the Church was as caught up
in the general nonsense as any of them.
Like the 3 year old caught with his hand in the forbidden cookie jar
and crumbs all over his face. He points to his sister, and says, "she
ate some too!"
I never said it was an excuse. But it's also not an excuse to retaliate
in kind.
The topic was Rome's intolerance and bigotry. Not "everyone else's".
Well, the topic was bigotry. I just widened it to GENERAL bigotry (which
seems to have awakened a general in YOUR army).
Incidentally, the inquisition actually executed nobody. They turned
their victims over to secular authorities who did it in the name of
secular order.
Torture, rape, and murder with Rome's FULL approval.
Yep....and you would have got the same without it. That's just the way
business was done in that day and time. If you don't believe me, get in
your time machine and go try argue it with Genghis Khan. He wasn't RCC
either.
But you are dangerously close to implying here that Jesus was a false
prophet and that His church simply turned evil (as He said it would never
do).
Torture was the common method of interrogating prisoners
in that day and age.
And what was this "crime?" The crime was to disagree with Rome's
pagan version of Christianity.
Rome does not HAVE a pagan version of Christianity. Not even now. But
that's part of your lie, you see and you have tell it over and over again
so that some of the suckers will believe it and follow your hate-cult.
Moreover, heresy was not punished by the Church. The determination to
punish it was a SECULAR decision made by rulers running nations with
ESTABLISHED religions and, once there were alternatives, the crime was
not restricted to just nations with the RCC established. As I already
pointed out, the Puritans did the exact same thing when they controlled
England. In fact it was SOP to find some wealthy person of Anglo-
catholic persuasion, denounce them to the Puritan version of the
inquisition and steal everything they owned while torturing them to
death.
You see Christians of just about every persuasion have engaged in
violence and torture whenever their spiritual leaders became venal enough
to condone it in God's name. I can't understand that, but maybe it just
comes from being able to ignore who Jesus was and pretend that He was
someone else altogether.
The inquisition's use of it was actually quite mild
compared to what you would be subjected to by secular authorities
interested in whether you had stolen something of any value.
Oh, what "RCC-Approved" rubbish.
No, it's actual history instead of your hate-cult approved revisionist
CRAPOLA! Wake up and smell the coffee.
Note, all,
NO apologies, NO repentance. JUST "look what the OTHER guys were
doing!"
Why should *I* apologize. YOU don't and they were YOUR spiritual
ancestors, too. We are ALL the "other guys" here. Just because the
present Roman Church has continuity with that institution does not mean
it is the same organization. It underwent some pretty large changes over
time and not all of them were bad.
And some wonder why Christians call Roman Catholics "arrogant."
And since when are Roman Catholics not Christians? Maybe it's because
_YOU_ are actually an excommunicate heretic, in league with Satan?
When you attack the apostolic Church--any of its branches--in the kind of
revisionist fashion that seems to be popular in your hate-cult, then I
have to sort of wonder why you hate so much. Jesus did not teach your
message of hate. Where did you get it from?
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
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Dave Oldridge wrote in message ...
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:55:01 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
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Unholy Mother of Intolerance
The Inquisition
by Avro Manhattan
If Hitler should return and proclaim deep love for the Jews; or
Stalin appear and declare himself a Capitalist, would we not take
them with a largish pinch of salt? Well, then! Why should we react
differently to a similar "phoney" conversion of an institution
which has surpassed the evil of both these dictators?
Today the Catholic church claims heartfelt love for all those
outside her. This is as incongruous as the claims of a repentant
Hitler or Stalin. Indeed
it would be laughably ridiculous if we were not dealing with tragic
matters.
Her sudden desire to "embrace the separated brethren" is nothing
but her latest device to make people forget the basic spirit of
intolerance and fanaticism. That spirit is as alive as ever, ready
to strike should the opportunity present itself.
<snip>
How can one be so blind and support this kind of teachings & belief?
But up to now, millions of followers defend RCC teachings. How sad.
The Puritans did exactly the same when they controlled England.
The RCC has no monopoly on bigotry. And today's latter-day bigots
would, given the opportunity, do the same again only on a scale that
would beggar Hitler's worst efforts. Bigots are bigots, no matter
what color robe they wear.
Interesting how Dave makes NO apology nor excuse for Rome's thousand +
year reign of terror. INSTEAD he points to the sins of others.
I wasn't trying to. But these were YOUR ancestors and mine conducting
this reign of terror that you complain of and the Church was as caught up
in the general nonsense as any of them.
Like the 3 year old caught with his hand in the forbidden cookie jar
and crumbs all over his face. He points to his sister, and says, "she
ate some too!"
I never said it was an excuse. But it's also not an excuse to retaliate
in kind.
The topic was Rome's intolerance and bigotry. Not "everyone else's".
Well, the topic was bigotry. I just widened it to GENERAL bigotry (which
seems to have awakened a general in YOUR army).
Incidentally, the inquisition actually executed nobody. They turned
their victims over to secular authorities who did it in the name of
secular order.
Torture, rape, and murder with Rome's FULL approval.
Yep....and you would have got the same without it. That's just the way
business was done in that day and time. If you don't believe me, get in
your time machine and go try argue it with Genghis Khan. He wasn't RCC
either.
But you are dangerously close to implying here that Jesus was a false
prophet and that His church simply turned evil (as He said it would never
do).
Torture was the common method of interrogating prisoners
in that day and age.
And what was this "crime?" The crime was to disagree with Rome's
pagan version of Christianity.
Rome does not HAVE a pagan version of Christianity. Not even now. But
that's part of your lie, you see and you have tell it over and over again
so that some of the suckers will believe it and follow your hate-cult.
Here is a Roman Catholic cardinal telling you about the pagan practices in
the Roman Catholic Church:
Cardinal Newman admits in his book that; the "temples,
incense, oil lamps, votive offerings, holy water, Holidays, and
seasons of devotion, processions, blessings of the fields,
sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure (of priests, munks and nuns),
images, and statues... are all of PAGAN ORIGIN." The Development of the
Christian Religion Cardinal Newman
p.359
Sure looks like a pagan version of Christianity to me.
[By the way, the mitre that the pope wears, it is a fish head mitre. It is
supposed to be modeled after the open jaws of a fish looking upwards. This
comes originally from the false pagan fish god Dagon, which was worshipped
by the phillistines.]
Reference, THE TWO BABYLONS, by Alexander Hislop; read it online on the web.
Moreover, heresy was not punished by the Church. The determination to
punish it was a SECULAR decision made by rulers running nations with
ESTABLISHED religions and, once there were alternatives, the crime was
not restricted to just nations with the RCC established. As I already
pointed out, the Puritans did the exact same thing when they controlled
England. In fact it was SOP to find some wealthy person of Anglo-
catholic persuasion, denounce them to the Puritan version of the
inquisition and steal everything they owned while torturing them to
death.
The church of England is an offshoot of Roman Catholicism, created by Henry
the VIII when he left Catholicism because they would not allow him to get a
divorce. The church of England is not a real Christian church either. Don't
blame the murders that the Church of England did on the true Christians. The
true Christians in England, the pilgrims came to America to escape religious
persecution from both of those false churches, catholicism and the Church of
England.
You see Christians of just about every persuasion have engaged in
violence and torture whenever their spiritual leaders became venal enough
to condone it in God's name. I can't understand that, but maybe it just
comes from being able to ignore who Jesus was and pretend that He was
someone else altogether.
That statement is false. True Christianity that follows the Bible does not
murder people.
The New Testament says that heretics are only to be rejected from the
church. Killing heretics is an old testament law that does not apply in New
Testatment times. If you kill a person you think is a heretic now, it is
murder.
Luke 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to
save [them]. And they went to another village.
Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition
reject;
The inquisition's use of it was actually quite mild
compared to what you would be subjected to by secular authorities
interested in whether you had stolen something of any value.
Oh, what "RCC-Approved" rubbish.
No, it's actual history instead of your hate-cult approved revisionist
CRAPOLA! Wake up and smell the coffee.
Note, all,
NO apologies, NO repentance. JUST "look what the OTHER guys were
doing!"
Why should *I* apologize. YOU don't and they were YOUR spiritual
ancestors, too. We are ALL the "other guys" here. Just because the
present Roman Church has continuity with that institution does not mean
it is the same organization. It underwent some pretty large changes over
time and not all of them were bad.
And some wonder why Christians call Roman Catholics "arrogant."
And since when are Roman Catholics not Christians? Maybe it's because
_YOU_ are actually an excommunicate heretic, in league with Satan?
When you attack the apostolic Church--any of its branches--in the kind of
revisionist fashion that seems to be popular in your hate-cult, then I
have to sort of wonder why you hate so much. Jesus did not teach your
message of hate. Where did you get it from?
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
A false witness is worse than no witness at all.
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25 Dec 2004 09:57:39 PM |
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"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in
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Dave Oldridge wrote in message ...
j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:55:01 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
"Streamer" <Stream_Haze@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:vWJyd.12792$0X1.7809@fe12.lga:
"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in message
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Unholy Mother of Intolerance
The Inquisition
by Avro Manhattan
If Hitler should return and proclaim deep love for the Jews; or
Stalin appear and declare himself a Capitalist, would we not take
them with a largish pinch of salt? Well, then! Why should we
react differently to a similar "phoney" conversion of an
institution which has surpassed the evil of both these dictators?
Today the Catholic church claims heartfelt love for all those
outside her. This is as incongruous as the claims of a repentant
Hitler or Stalin. Indeed
it would be laughably ridiculous if we were not dealing with
tragic matters.
Her sudden desire to "embrace the separated brethren" is nothing
but her latest device to make people forget the basic spirit of
intolerance and fanaticism. That spirit is as alive as ever,
ready to strike should the opportunity present itself.
<snip>
How can one be so blind and support this kind of teachings &
belief? But up to now, millions of followers defend RCC teachings.
How sad.
The Puritans did exactly the same when they controlled England.
The RCC has no monopoly on bigotry. And today's latter-day bigots
would, given the opportunity, do the same again only on a scale that
would beggar Hitler's worst efforts. Bigots are bigots, no matter
what color robe they wear.
Interesting how Dave makes NO apology nor excuse for Rome's thousand
+ year reign of terror. INSTEAD he points to the sins of others.
I wasn't trying to. But these were YOUR ancestors and mine conducting
this reign of terror that you complain of and the Church was as caught
up in the general nonsense as any of them.
Like the 3 year old caught with his hand in the forbidden cookie jar
and crumbs all over his face. He points to his sister, and says,
"she ate some too!"
I never said it was an excuse. But it's also not an excuse to
retaliate in kind.
The topic was Rome's intolerance and bigotry. Not "everyone else's".
Well, the topic was bigotry. I just widened it to GENERAL bigotry
(which seems to have awakened a general in YOUR army).
Incidentally, the inquisition actually executed nobody. They turned
their victims over to secular authorities who did it in the name of
secular order.
Torture, rape, and murder with Rome's FULL approval.
Yep....and you would have got the same without it. That's just the
way business was done in that day and time. If you don't believe me,
get in your time machine and go try argue it with Genghis Khan. He
wasn't RCC either.
But you are dangerously close to implying here that Jesus was a false
prophet and that His church simply turned evil (as He said it would
never do).
Torture was the common method of interrogating prisoners
in that day and age.
And what was this "crime?" The crime was to disagree with Rome's
pagan version of Christianity.
Rome does not HAVE a pagan version of Christianity. Not even now.
But that's part of your lie, you see and you have tell it over and
over again so that some of the suckers will believe it and follow your
hate-cult.
Here is a Roman Catholic cardinal telling you about the pagan
practices in the Roman Catholic Church:
Cardinal Newman admits in his book that; the "temples,
incense, oil lamps, votive offerings, holy water, Holidays, and
seasons of devotion, processions, blessings of the fields,
sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure (of priests, munks and nuns),
images, and statues... are all of PAGAN ORIGIN." The Development of
the
Christian Religion Cardinal Newman
p.359
Sure looks like a pagan version of Christianity to me.
Who cares? Christianity is a syncretistic religion to some extent. If
you don't like it, feel free to adopt Islam or Judaism for DIFFERENT
flavours of entraining paganism into modern worship. If you want to do
without worshipping gods at all, then try Buddhism. But for CHRIST'S
sake, get off your high horse.
[By the way, the mitre that the pope wears, it is a fish head mitre.
It is supposed to be modeled after the open jaws of a fish looking
upwards. This comes originally from the false pagan fish god Dagon,
which was worshipped by the phillistines.]
Reference, THE TWO BABYLONS, by Alexander Hislop; read it online on
the web.
Yeah right. And I was abducted by aliens one night, too.
Wanna buy a bridge?
Moreover, heresy was not punished by the Church. The determination to
punish it was a SECULAR decision made by rulers running nations with
ESTABLISHED religions and, once there were alternatives, the crime was
not restricted to just nations with the RCC established. As I already
pointed out, the Puritans did the exact same thing when they
controlled England. In fact it was SOP to find some wealthy person of
Anglo- catholic persuasion, denounce them to the Puritan version of
the inquisition and steal everything they owned while torturing them
to death.
The church of England is an offshoot of Roman Catholicism, created by
Henry the VIII when he left Catholicism because they would not allow
him to get a divorce. The church of England is not a real Christian
church either. Don't blame the murders that the Church of England did
on the true Christians. The true Christians in England, the pilgrims
came to America to escape religious persecution from both of those
false churches, catholicism and the Church of England.
Actually these were Puritans who had thrown Henry's successor out and
beheaded him. And those pilgrims came to America because they had worn
out their welcome by being violent with just about everyone they came in
contact with in Europe. Nobody, not the Dutch, not the English, not the
French wanted them. You see, they were professional assholes. And it
took them just about another 100 years to learn just how STUPID that is.
You see Christians of just about every persuasion have engaged in
violence and torture whenever their spiritual leaders became venal
enough to condone it in God's name. I can't understand that, but
maybe it just comes from being able to ignore who Jesus was and
pretend that He was someone else altogether.
That statement is false. True Christianity that follows the Bible does
not murder people.
Where can I get some of this? Certainly not in the USA.
The New Testament says that heretics are only to be rejected from the
church. Killing heretics is an old testament law that does not apply
in New Testatment times. If you kill a person you think is a heretic
now, it is murder.
I happen to agree. But then I'm not a secular ruler in the middle ages.
And state executions have never been considered murder, especially by
hate-cult devotees. Except, of course, when it is done in retaliation
for something THEY have done.
Luke 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives,
but to
save [them]. And they went to another village.
Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second
admonition reject;
Yep...excommunication is the prescribed treatment. However, when *I* do
it, it's real. When some self-appointed ***** does it, he's just
making noises.
The inquisition's use of it was actually quite mild
compared to what you would be subjected to by secular authorities
interested in whether you had stolen something of any value.
Oh, what "RCC-Approved" rubbish.
No, it's actual history instead of your hate-cult approved revisionist
CRAPOLA! Wake up and smell the coffee.
Note, all,
NO apologies, NO repentance. JUST "look what the OTHER guys were
doing!"
Why should *I* apologize. YOU don't and they were YOUR spiritual
ancestors, too. We are ALL the "other guys" here. Just because the
present Roman Church has continuity with that institution does not
mean it is the same organization. It underwent some pretty large
changes over time and not all of them were bad.
And some wonder why Christians call Roman Catholics "arrogant."
And since when are Roman Catholics not Christians? Maybe it's because
_YOU_ are actually an excommunicate heretic, in league with Satan?
When you attack the apostolic Church--any of its branches--in the kind
of revisionist fashion that seems to be popular in your hate-cult,
then I have to sort of wonder why you hate so much. Jesus did not
teach your message of hate. Where did you get it from?
So, no answer to this. I do know where you get it from. The RCC has
plenty to answer for--in the present day. You need to focus your efforts
there if they are to bear any real fruit. Attacking men who are long
dead and have gone to whatever reward their efforts brought them is
futile.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
A false witness is worse than no witness at all.
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26 Dec 2004 06:12:36 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 03:57:39 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in
news:41ce21b7_5@news1.uncensored-news.com:
Dave Oldridge wrote in message ...
j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:55:01 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
"Streamer" <Stream_Haze@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:vWJyd.12792$0X1.7809@fe12.lga:
"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in message
news:41cb65ae_2@news1.uncensored-news.com...
Unholy Mother of Intolerance
The Inquisition
by Avro Manhattan
If Hitler should return and proclaim deep love for the Jews; or
Stalin appear and declare himself a Capitalist, would we not take
them with a largish pinch of salt? Well, then! Why should we
react differently to a similar "phoney" conversion of an
institution which has surpassed the evil of both these dictators?
Today the Catholic church claims heartfelt love for all those
outside her. This is as incongruous as the claims of a repentant
Hitler or Stalin. Indeed
it would be laughably ridiculous if we were not dealing with
tragic matters.
Her sudden desire to "embrace the separated brethren" is nothing
but her latest device to make people forget the basic spirit of
intolerance and fanaticism. That spirit is as alive as ever,
ready to strike should the opportunity present itself.
<snip>
How can one be so blind and support this kind of teachings &
belief? But up to now, millions of followers defend RCC teachings.
How sad.
The Puritans did exactly the same when they controlled England.
The RCC has no monopoly on bigotry. And today's latter-day bigots
would, given the opportunity, do the same again only on a scale that
would beggar Hitler's worst efforts. Bigots are bigots, no matter
what color robe they wear.
Interesting how Dave makes NO apology nor excuse for Rome's thousand
+ year reign of terror. INSTEAD he points to the sins of others.
I wasn't trying to. But these were YOUR ancestors and mine conducting
this reign of terror that you complain of and the Church was as caught
up in the general nonsense as any of them.
Like the 3 year old caught with his hand in the forbidden cookie jar
and crumbs all over his face. He points to his sister, and says,
"she ate some too!"
I never said it was an excuse. But it's also not an excuse to
retaliate in kind.
The topic was Rome's intolerance and bigotry. Not "everyone else's".
Well, the topic was bigotry. I just widened it to GENERAL bigotry
(which seems to have awakened a general in YOUR army).
Incidentally, the inquisition actually executed nobody. They turned
their victims over to secular authorities who did it in the name of
secular order.
Torture, rape, and murder with Rome's FULL approval.
Yep....and you would have got the same without it. That's just the
way business was done in that day and time. If you don't believe me,
get in your time machine and go try argue it with Genghis Khan. He
wasn't RCC either.
But you are dangerously close to implying here that Jesus was a false
prophet and that His church simply turned evil (as He said it would
never do).
Torture was the common method of interrogating prisoners
in that day and age.
And what was this "crime?" The crime was to disagree with Rome's
pagan version of Christianity.
Rome does not HAVE a pagan version of Christianity. Not even now.
But that's part of your lie, you see and you have tell it over and
over again so that some of the suckers will believe it and follow your
hate-cult.
Here is a Roman Catholic cardinal telling you about the pagan
practices in the Roman Catholic Church:
Cardinal Newman admits in his book that; the "temples,
incense, oil lamps, votive offerings, holy water, Holidays, and
seasons of devotion, processions, blessings of the fields,
sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure (of priests, munks and nuns),
images, and statues... are all of PAGAN ORIGIN." The Development of
the
Christian Religion Cardinal Newman
p.359
Sure looks like a pagan version of Christianity to me.
Who cares? Christianity is a syncretistic religion to some extent. If
you don't like it, feel free to adopt Islam or Judaism for DIFFERENT
flavours of entraining paganism into modern worship. If you want to do
without worshipping gods at all, then try Buddhism. But for CHRIST'S
sake, get off your high horse.
And you believe that your OPEN PROFANITY honors God? Or are Roman
Catholics allowed to profane His name?
I worked with a IGNORANT Roman Catholic bigot many years ago. Her
favorite expressions were
Goddamnit
Jesus Christ
Jesus F Christ (she didn't say "F")
Christ
etc
I got sick of it one day,and asked her what he priest would think of
such language?
She laughed and said, "No big deal! You should hear my PRIEST cuss!"
Then she said, sadly, "I'm going to go to purgatory,and have my family
and friends pray me into heaven."
No detectable Christianity in her, no repentance, just pure ugly.
But she's a good Roman Catholic.
jw
[By the way, the mitre that the pope wears, it is a fish head mitre.
It is supposed to be modeled after the open jaws of a fish looking
upwards. This comes originally from the false pagan fish god Dagon,
which was worshipped by the phillistines.]
Reference, THE TWO BABYLONS, by Alexander Hislop; read it online on
the web.
Yeah right. And I was abducted by aliens one night, too.
Wanna buy a bridge?
Moreover, heresy was not punished by the Church. The determination to
punish it was a SECULAR decision made by rulers running nations with
ESTABLISHED religions and, once there were alternatives, the crime was
not restricted to just nations with the RCC established. As I already
pointed out, the Puritans did the exact same thing when they
controlled England. In fact it was SOP to find some wealthy person of
Anglo- catholic persuasion, denounce them to the Puritan version of
the inquisition and steal everything they owned while torturing them
to death.
The church of England is an offshoot of Roman Catholicism, created by
Henry the VIII when he left Catholicism because they would not allow
him to get a divorce. The church of England is not a real Christian
church either. Don't blame the murders that the Church of England did
on the true Christians. The true Christians in England, the pilgrims
came to America to escape religious persecution from both of those
false churches, catholicism and the Church of England.
Actually these were Puritans who had thrown Henry's successor out and
beheaded him. And those pilgrims came to America because they had worn
out their welcome by being violent with just about everyone they came in
contact with in Europe. Nobody, not the Dutch, not the English, not the
French wanted them. You see, they were professional assholes. And it
took them just about another 100 years to learn just how STUPID that is.
You see Christians of just about every persuasion have engaged in
violence and torture whenever their spiritual leaders became venal
enough to condone it in God's name. I can't understand that, but
maybe it just comes from being able to ignore who Jesus was and
pretend that He was someone else altogether.
That statement is false. True Christianity that follows the Bible does
not murder people.
Where can I get some of this? Certainly not in the USA.
The New Testament says that heretics are only to be rejected from the
church. Killing heretics is an old testament law that does not apply
in New Testatment times. If you kill a person you think is a heretic
now, it is murder.
I happen to agree. But then I'm not a secular ruler in the middle ages.
And state executions have never been considered murder, especially by
hate-cult devotees. Except, of course, when it is done in retaliation
for something THEY have done.
Luke 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives,
but to
save [them]. And they went to another village.
Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second
admonition reject;
Yep...excommunication is the prescribed treatment. However, when *I* do
it, it's real. When some self-appointed ***** does it, he's just
making noises.
The inquisition's use of it was actually quite mild
compared to what you would be subjected to by secular authorities
interested in whether you had stolen something of any value.
Oh, what "RCC-Approved" rubbish.
No, it's actual history instead of your hate-cult approved revisionist
CRAPOLA! Wake up and smell the coffee.
Note, all,
NO apologies, NO repentance. JUST "look what the OTHER guys were
doing!"
Why should *I* apologize. YOU don't and they were YOUR spiritual
ancestors, too. We are ALL the "other guys" here. Just because the
present Roman Church has continuity with that institution does not
mean it is the same organization. It underwent some pretty large
changes over time and not all of them were bad.
And some wonder why Christians call Roman Catholics "arrogant."
And since when are Roman Catholics not Christians? Maybe it's because
_YOU_ are actually an excommunicate heretic, in league with Satan?
When you attack the apostolic Church--any of its branches--in the kind
of revisionist fashion that seems to be popular in your hate-cult,
then I have to sort of wonder why you hate so much. Jesus did not
teach your message of hate. Where did you get it from?
So, no answer to this. I do know where you get it from. The RCC has
plenty to answer for--in the present day. You need to focus your efforts
there if they are to bear any real fruit. Attacking men who are long
dead and have gone to whatever reward their efforts brought them is
futile.
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27 Dec 2004 06:13:31 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:12:36 -0800, j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> sez the
following funny stuff:
No detectable Christianity in her, no repentance, just pure ugly.
But she's a good Roman Catholic.
What makes you think you're any better than she is?
You, who have 'written' porn filth and tried to peddle that trash
on;line, all the while claiming to be a Christian.......
pkb.
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29 Dec 2004 04:56:37 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:13:31 -0500, wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:12:36 -0800, j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> sez the
following funny stuff:
No detectable Christianity in her, no repentance, just pure ugly.
But she's a good Roman Catholic.
What makes you think you're any better than she is?
You, who have 'written' porn filth and tried to peddle that trash
on;line, all the while claiming to be a Christian.......
pkb.
confessed, repented PUBLICLY, LONG since past.
What's the matter, Elaine? No NEW ammo? So you attempt to use ANCIENT
"issues " to keep attention away from YOUR putrid life?
jw
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| Title: Re: Religious Intolerance |
31 Dec 2004 12:09:38 AM |
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In article <cfd6t0h21k5esfv7dteite943hrrck9c8s@4ax.com>, j w
<j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:13:31 -0500, wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:12:36 -0800, j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> sez the
following funny stuff:
No detectable Christianity in her, no repentance, just pure ugly.
But she's a good Roman Catholic.
What makes you think you're any better than she is?
You, who have 'written' porn filth and tried to peddle that trash
on;line, all the while claiming to be a Christian.......
pkb.
confessed, repented PUBLICLY, LONG since past.
That is odd
When I asked you to confirm you had been writing pornography you did not
admit it.
So all those people who said you were a porn writer and who you abused and
threatened for so doing were right after all.
Is hanging around this group abusing and threatening people, bragging and
lying, what you do instead of write porn
Is so at least we are keeping you off the streets.
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j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:jjkus05d4siv76t4n94ao7kb7a9q5qm0i7@4ax.com:
Who cares? Christianity is a syncretistic religion to some extent.
If you don't like it, feel free to adopt Islam or Judaism for
DIFFERENT flavours of entraining paganism into modern worship. If you
want to do without worshipping gods at all, then try Buddhism. But
for CHRIST'S sake, get off your high horse.
And you believe that your OPEN PROFANITY honors God? Or are Roman
Catholics allowed to profane His name?
I worked with a IGNORANT Roman Catholic bigot many years ago. Her
favorite expressions were
Goddamnit
Jesus Christ
Jesus F Christ (she didn't say "F")
Christ
So she took His name in vain in the manner of people who carelessly do so
as expletives. Whereas you do so deliberately and with the intent to
deceive others. I understand.
etc
I got sick of it one day,and asked her what he priest would think of
such language?
She laughed and said, "No big deal! You should hear my PRIEST cuss!"
Then she said, sadly, "I'm going to go to purgatory,and have my family
and friends pray me into heaven."
Hmmm....she DOES need to talk to a priest. And one who won't be so glib
with her.
No detectable Christianity in her, no repentance, just pure ugly.
But she's a good Roman Catholic.
Hey, you're pure ugly. You just clean up the language a bit. By the
way, I was NOT taking Jesus Christ's name in vain above, I was using it
as a prayer your your miserable pathetic hate-filled soul. But I can see
that you have no room for Jesus Christ in your heart. Your hatred for
all things catholic takes up all the room you have.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
A false witness is worse than no witness at all.
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26 Dec 2004 11:48:54 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 03:23:16 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:jjkus05d4siv76t4n94ao7kb7a9q5qm0i7@4ax.com:
Who cares? Christianity is a syncretistic religion to some extent.
If you don't like it, feel free to adopt Islam or Judaism for
DIFFERENT flavours of entraining paganism into modern worship. If you
want to do without worshipping gods at all, then try Buddhism. But
for CHRIST'S sake, get off your high horse.
And you believe that your OPEN PROFANITY honors God? Or are Roman
Catholics allowed to profane His name?
I worked with a IGNORANT Roman Catholic bigot many years ago. Her
favorite expressions were
Goddamnit
Jesus Christ
Jesus F Christ (she didn't say "F")
Christ
So she took His name in vain in the manner of people who carelessly do so
as expletives.
"So..." ?
So you disregard God's warnings, "he will not hold guiltless those who
take His name in vain."
Typical Roman Catholic.
Whereas you do so deliberately and with the intent to
deceive others. I understand.
That is a demonic lie.
I RARELY use profanity, even MORE rarely in here. And YOU are not my
judge.
jw
snip.
Hey, you're pure ugly. You just clean up the language a bit. By the
way, I was NOT taking Jesus Christ's name in vain above, I was using it
as a prayer your your miserable pathetic hate-filled soul. But I can see
that you have no room for Jesus Christ in your heart.
YOU are not the judge, *****.
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27 Dec 2004 06:14:44 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:48:54 -0800, j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> sez the
following funny stuff:
I RARELY use profanity, even MORE rarely in here. And YOU are not my
judge.
ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!
You 'rarely use profanity' liar johnnie ?
Haaaaaaa!!!!
"You are not my judge, *****"
"Lying *****"
"Demonic *****"
"*****-for-brains hypocrite"
"penis-breath"
"*****-*****"
-need any more evidence?
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| User: "j w" |
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29 Dec 2004 04:55:05 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:14:44 -0500, wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:48:54 -0800, j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> sez the
following funny stuff:
I RARELY use profanity, even MORE rarely in here. And YOU are not my
judge.
ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!
You 'rarely use profanity' liar johnnie ?
Haaaaaaa!!!!
"You are not my judge, *****"
"Lying *****"
"Demonic *****"
"*****-for-brains hypocrite"
"penis-breath"
"*****-*****"
-need any more evidence?
You TRULY ought to learn the definition of the words you mis-use,
Elaine.
"profanity" specifically refers to taking the Lord's name in vain. I
do it occasionally, but that's between me and God.
What you see in this group, your list above, is called "vulgarity", or
"obscenity", and those are the types of phrases Jesus and Peter and
Paul used.
Grow up! Get a life, while that opportunity is still available!
jw
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27 Dec 2004 12:12:37 PM |
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j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1d8vs096g2fdghssaja54hvuundl0ffjfr@4ax.com:
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 03:23:16 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:jjkus05d4siv76t4n94ao7kb7a9q5qm0i7@4ax.com:
Who cares? Christianity is a syncretistic religion to some extent.
If you don't like it, feel free to adopt Islam or Judaism for
DIFFERENT flavours of entraining paganism into modern worship. If
you want to do without worshipping gods at all, then try Buddhism.
But for CHRIST'S sake, get off your high horse.
And you believe that your OPEN PROFANITY honors God? Or are Roman
Catholics allowed to profane His name?
I worked with a IGNORANT Roman Catholic bigot many years ago. Her
favorite expressions were
Goddamnit
Jesus Christ
Jesus F Christ (she didn't say "F")
Christ
So she took His name in vain in the manner of people who carelessly do
so as expletives.
"So..." ?
So you disregard God's warnings, "he will not hold guiltless those who
take His name in vain."
I didn't say that, illiterate hypocrite.
Typical Roman Catholic.
And you are a typical atheist troll. I'm beginning to think you are not
any kind of Christian but some cynical atheist attempting to make my
religion look bad.
Whereas you do so deliberately and with the intent to
deceive others. I understand.
That is a demonic lie.
No sir, it's the exact truth and you and I both know it. What you said
above is the demonic lie here and you WILL PAY FOR THAT. When do you
want to pay? I can arrange terms.
Hey, you're pure ugly. You just clean up the language a bit. By the
way, I was NOT taking Jesus Christ's name in vain above, I was using
it as a prayer your your miserable pathetic hate-filled soul. But I
can see that you have no room for Jesus Christ in your heart.
YOU are not the judge, *****.
Never said I was. But then I do have to decide if what you say is worth
anything to anyone and I DO have the job of warning you that all this sin
is getting you is a berth in a lake of fire, ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE.
Don't blame me for that. I didn't make the rules.
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Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
A false witness is worse than no witness at all.
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| User: "j w" |
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27 Dec 2004 05:34:02 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:12:37 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1d8vs096g2fdghssaja54hvuundl0ffjfr@4ax.com:
x-no-archive: yes
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 03:23:16 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:jjkus05d4siv76t4n94ao7kb7a9q5qm0i7@4ax.com:
Who cares? Christianity is a syncretistic religion to some extent.
If you don't like it, feel free to adopt Islam or Judaism for
DIFFERENT flavours of entraining paganism into modern worship. If
you want to do without worshipping gods at all, then try Buddhism.
But for CHRIST'S sake, get off your high horse.
And you believe that your OPEN PROFANITY honors God? Or are Roman
Catholics allowed to profane His name?
I worked with a IGNORANT Roman Catholic bigot many years ago. Her
favorite expressions were
Goddamnit
Jesus Christ
Jesus F Christ (she didn't say "F")
Christ
So she took His name in vain in the manner of people who carelessly do
so as expletives.
"So..." ?
So you disregard God's warnings, "he will not hold guiltless those who
take His name in vain."
I didn't say that, illiterate hypocrite.
Yes, you did. And with that lie, I have had enough, King Pathological
Liar/Hypocrite.
You REALLY ought to see a psychiatrist. Your God complex IS treatable.
jw
snipped the rest of the BS storm.
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27 Dec 2004 06:51:33 PM |
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j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in news:at61t09g36sdakel11m96sed5tr705tj8o@
4ax.com:
x-no-archive: yes
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:12:37 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1d8vs096g2fdghssaja54hvuundl0ffjfr@4ax.com:
x-no-archive: yes
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 03:23:16 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:jjkus05d4siv76t4n94ao7kb7a9q5qm0i7@4ax.com:
Who cares? Christianity is a syncretistic religion to some extent.
If you don't like it, feel free to adopt Islam or Judaism for
DIFFERENT flavours of entraining paganism into modern worship. If
you want to do without worshipping gods at all, then try Buddhism.
But for CHRIST'S sake, get off your high horse.
And you believe that your OPEN PROFANITY honors God? Or are Roman
Catholics allowed to profane His name?
I worked with a IGNORANT Roman Catholic bigot many years ago. Her
favorite expressions were
Goddamnit
Jesus Christ
Jesus F Christ (she didn't say "F")
Christ
So she took His name in vain in the manner of people who carelessly
do
so as expletives.
"So..." ?
So you disregard God's warnings, "he will not hold guiltless those
who
take His name in vain."
I didn't say that, illiterate hypocrite.
Yes, you did. And with that lie, I have had enough, King Pathological
Liar/Hypocrite.
You REALLY ought to see a psychiatrist. Your God complex IS treatable.
I'm certainly untreatable by YOU. You couldn't treat sniffle. I've got
your number now buster. You're just another of Satan's little dolls,
preaching hatred and telling lies in God's name, all the while seeking
temporal advantage. Well I hope you have got everything you want because
I'm just now cutting your strings. May God, in His infinite mercy find
some way to cure your poor pathetic, possessed soul, John. I give up.
Go to hell, if that's where you feel you must be. Just don't expect me
to stop warning the people you try to drag down there with your lies and
vituperations against truth.
And don't EVER try to sell me a used car, a bridge, or anything else
unless you want to let me check it first.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
A false witness is worse than no witness at all.
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29 Dec 2004 04:52:45 PM |
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 00:51:33 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in news:at61t09g36sdakel11m96sed5tr705tj8o@
4ax.com:
x-no-archive: yes
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:12:37 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1d8vs096g2fdghssaja54hvuundl0ffjfr@4ax.com:
x-no-archive: yes
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 03:23:16 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:jjkus05d4siv76t4n94ao7kb7a9q5qm0i7@4ax.com:
Who cares? Christianity is a syncretistic religion to some extent.
If you don't like it, feel free to adopt Islam or Judaism for
DIFFERENT flavours of entraining paganism into modern worship. If
you want to do without worshipping gods at all, then try Buddhism.
But for CHRIST'S sake, get off your high horse.
And you believe that your OPEN PROFANITY honors God? Or are Roman
Catholics allowed to profane His name?
I worked with a IGNORANT Roman Catholic bigot many years ago. Her
favorite expressions were
Goddamnit
Jesus Christ
Jesus F Christ (she didn't say "F")
Christ
So she took His name in vain in the manner of people who carelessly
do
so as expletives.
"So..." ?
So you disregard God's warnings, "he will not hold guiltless those
who
take His name in vain."
I didn't say that, illiterate hypocrite.
Yes, you did. And with that lie, I have had enough, King Pathological
Liar/Hypocrite.
You REALLY ought to see a psychiatrist. Your God complex IS treatable.
I'm certainly untreatable by YOU. You couldn't treat sniffle.
You don't know where I've been or what I've accomplished, loser.
jw
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31 Dec 2004 12:06:12 AM |
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In article <o8d6t017kav3qqmtd9of8e8rvr97mku3s3@4ax.com>, j w
<j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
You don't know where I've been or what I've accomplished, loser.
jw
I think we can all guess at least one of those
ZERO!
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29 Dec 2004 09:26:33 PM |
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j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:o8d6t017kav3qqmtd9of8e8rvr97mku3s3@4ax.com:
x-no-archive: yes
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 00:51:33 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:at61t09g36sdakel11m96sed5tr705tj8o@ 4ax.com:
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:12:37 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1d8vs096g2fdghssaja54hvuundl0ffjfr@4ax.com:
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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 03:23:16 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:jjkus05d4siv76t4n94ao7kb7a9q5qm0i7@4ax.com:
Who cares? Christianity is a syncretistic religion to some
extent. If you don't like it, feel free to adopt Islam or
Judaism for DIFFERENT flavours of entraining paganism into
modern worship. If you want to do without worshipping gods at
all, then try Buddhism. But for CHRIST'S sake, get off your high
horse.
And you believe that your OPEN PROFANITY honors God? Or are
Roman Catholics allowed to profane His name?
I worked with a IGNORANT Roman Catholic bigot many years ago.
Her favorite expressions were
Goddamnit
Jesus Christ
Jesus F Christ (she didn't say "F")
Christ
So she took His name in vain in the manner of people who
carelessly
do
so as expletives.
"So..." ?
So you disregard God's warnings, "he will not hold guiltless those
who
take His name in vain."
I didn't say that, illiterate hypocrite.
Yes, you did. And with that lie, I have had enough, King
Pathological Liar/Hypocrite.
You REALLY ought to see a psychiatrist. Your God complex IS
treatable.
I'm certainly untreatable by YOU. You couldn't treat sniffle.
You don't know where I've been or what I've accomplished, loser.
And you haven't shown me any reason why I should care. I certainly don't
want to go where you are now or where you're heading at breakneck speed.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
A false witness is worse than no witness at all.
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On 26 Dec 2004 02:28:07 GMT, "stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com>
wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
Dave Oldridge wrote in message ...
j w <j_w<no>@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:3lpqs01kfg73n47o1rctcq1h70osmpvt54@4ax.com:
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:55:01 GMT, Dave Oldridge
<doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
"Streamer" <Stream_Haze@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:vWJyd.12792$0X1.7809@fe12.lga:
"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in message
news:41cb65ae_2@news1.uncensored-news.com...
Unholy Mother of Intolerance
The Inquisition
by Avro Manhattan
If Hitler should return and proclaim deep love for the Jews; or
Stalin appear and declare himself a Capitalist, would we not take
them with a largish pinch of salt? Well, then! Why should we react
differently to a similar "phoney" conversion of an institution
which has surpassed the evil of both these dictators?
Today the Catholic church claims heartfelt love for all those
outside her. This is as incongruous as the claims of a repentant
Hitler or Stalin. Indeed
it would be laughably ridiculous if we were not dealing with tragic
matters.
Her sudden desire to "embrace the separated brethren" is nothing
but her latest device to make people forget the basic spirit of
intolerance and fanaticism. That spirit is as alive as ever, ready
to strike should the opportunity present itself.
<snip>
How can one be so blind and support this kind of teachings & belief?
But up to now, millions of followers defend RCC teachings. How sad.
The Puritans did exactly the same when they controlled England.
The RCC has no monopoly on bigotry. And today's latter-day bigots
would, given the opportunity, do the same again only on a scale that
would beggar Hitler's worst efforts. Bigots are bigots, no matter
what color robe they wear.
Interesting how Dave makes NO apology nor excuse for Rome's thousand +
year reign of terror. INSTEAD he points to the sins of others.
I wasn't trying to. But these were YOUR ancestors and mine conducting
this reign of terror that you complain of and the Church was as caught up
in the general nonsense as any of them.
Like the 3 year old caught with his hand in the forbidden cookie jar
and crumbs all over his face. He points to his sister, and says, "she
ate some too!"
I never said it was an excuse. But it's also not an excuse to retaliate
in kind.
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