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Topic: Religions > Bible
User: "Michael Christ"
Date: 08 Dec 2007 05:50:43 AM
Object: Religious Organisations
The Lord's been showing me more of late about the state of the religious
organisations.
None of them are His of course. Though anyone with any discernment knows
that.
Even the ones who do not believe that live with the little nag in the heart
deep down which testifies to the fact that things are not as they should be.
I hear the dissatisfaction all the time from the toilet cleaner to the
pulpit. The question is always the same: Why? 'Why, if we are the body of
Christ, why the powerlessness to overcome?' Of course, the overcoming is
not from without, but from within. That is the coal-face in which to meet
the true reality of a man's relationship with God. To surrender all, or not
to.
Anyway, my heart is heavy, as it always has been, for those poor souls
running to church every Sunday with all those works thinking that they are
'doing good' and where
salvation is a binding of oneself to religious ethics and standards and
morals. All the spiritual wickedness that comes out of pulpits is worse
than anything you can imagine in the so-called 'secular world'. Leonard
Ravenhill, a famous preacher [deceased] once said, if Jesus was to come back
now He would start by cleansing the pulpit.
I wait on the Lord for a time when He will do something about it. Not to
overrate Leonard Ravenhill but he also said, "The world is not waiting for
another definition of Christianity but a demonstration of Christianity." I
have to agree, and so would you if you choose to be honest.
I have been listening to the author John Ethredge of 'Wild at Heart' fame on
podcast through the itunes store on 'The Sacred Romance' (10 sessions)...
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=260843816
I thought it was pretty good and worth a listen. He seems to have
'detected' that many are far removed from the life they should and really
want to be living because they have made their hearts captive to the
intellect/ways of the world, especially within the religious organisations.
Michael Christ
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
My Sons are born of Me
They are My Spirit.
In them is no darkness at all.
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User: ""

Title: Re: Religious Organisations 08 Dec 2007 08:17:27 AM
Anyone with discernment will recognize delusion and fallacy when it is
apparent; thus turning from religion and the bible. Debating about
which sect of Christianity or which view of scripture is truth is no
more than an pedantic exercise.. Chocked full of talking animals,
cruelty beyond measure and stories outside of all realistic
comparisons. Its like arguing what Zoroaster really wants from his
followers and who is truly following the truth of his teachings...
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User: ""

Title: Re: Religious Organisations 08 Dec 2007 08:41:17 PM
On Dec 9, 1:17 am, "natezenmas...@gmail.com" <natezenmas...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Anyone with discernment will recognize delusion and fallacy when it is
apparent; thus turning from religion and the bible. Debating about
which sect of Christianity or which view of scripture is truth is no
more than an pedantic exercise.. Chocked full of talking animals,
cruelty beyond measure and stories outside of all realistic
comparisons. Its like arguing what Zoroaster really wants from his
followers and who is truly following the truth of his teachings...

Once I awoke, I have never had any confusion about Jesus. He is
faultless/perfect.
Michael Christ
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
My Sons are born of Me
They are My Spirit.
In them is no darkness at all.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Religious Organisations 14 Dec 2007 08:38:56 PM

Once I awoke, I have never had any confusion about Jesus. He is faultless/perfect.

So Micheal.... jesus and god are one; god orders the murder of
children and that is perfect? Hosea 13:16 "their infants shall be
dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up", 2
Kings 2:23-24, Deuteronomy 28:53, etc
Faultless? God creates satan and the angels - they rebel; god creates
people and allows satan, the lion and master deceiver, full and free
access to the newborn and naive humans. God places a lure in front of
their face - then punishes them repeatedly for generations for their
mistake? And god is faultless.... Right.... everyone suffers pain in
life, most suffer damnation in death - and all so that god can have
fellowship and people of incipient and fickle nature to worship him -
and faultless?
You are not awake. You are dreaming - because it comforts you. It is
the abandonment of thought....the bible is not true and the world will
be a better place when humans replace religion with reason.
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User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."

Title: Re: Religious Organisations 15 Dec 2007 12:41:08 AM
<natezenmaster@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Once I awoke, I have never had any confusion about Jesus. He is
faultless/perfect.


So Micheal.... jesus and god are one; god orders the murder of
children and that is perfect? Hosea 13:16 "their infants shall be
dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up", 2
Kings 2:23-24, Deuteronomy 28:53, etc

Faultless? God creates satan and the angels - they rebel; god creates
people and allows satan, the lion and master deceiver, full and free
access to the newborn and naive humans. God places a lure in front of
their face - then punishes them repeatedly for generations for their
mistake? And god is faultless.... Right.... everyone suffers pain in
life, most suffer damnation in death - and all so that god can have
fellowship and people of incipient and fickle nature to worship him -
and faultless?

You are not awake. You are dreaming - because it comforts you. It is
the abandonment of thought....the bible is not true and the world will
be a better place when humans replace religion with reason.

Thus saith the horse of the north--humanism.
Ike
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User: ""

Title: Re: Religious Organisations 15 Dec 2007 07:48:10 AM
On Dec 14, 11:41 pm, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."
<xeickleberrybo...@verizon.net> wrote:

<natezenmas...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Once I awoke, I have never had any confusion about Jesus. He is
faultless/perfect.


So Micheal.... jesus and god are one; god orders the murder of
children and that is perfect? Hosea 13:16 "their infants shall be
dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up", 2
Kings 2:23-24, Deuteronomy 28:53, etc


Faultless? God creates satan and the angels - they rebel; god creates
people and allows satan, the lion and master deceiver, full and free
access to the newborn and naive humans. God places a lure in front of
their face - then punishes them repeatedly for generations for their
mistake? And god is faultless.... Right.... everyone suffers pain in
life, most suffer damnation in death - and all so that god can have
fellowship and people of incipient and fickle nature to worship him -
and faultless?


You are not awake. You are dreaming - because it comforts you. It is
the abandonment of thought....the bible is not true and the world will
be a better place when humans replace religion with reason.


Thus saith the horse of the north--humanism.

Ike

Typical... no reasonable response so label the post with a
philosophical tag that somehow is supposed to discredit the passage;
though the point remains - for a true biblical story, god is the
utmost in selfishness and cruelty while his automatons praise his
faultlessness.
.
User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."

Title: Re: Religious Organisations 15 Dec 2007 04:30:12 PM
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On Dec 14, 11:41 pm, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."
<xeickleberrybo...@verizon.net> wrote:

<natezenmas...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Once I awoke, I have never had any confusion about Jesus. He is
faultless/perfect.


So Micheal.... jesus and god are one; god orders the murder of
children and that is perfect? Hosea 13:16 "their infants shall be
dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up", 2
Kings 2:23-24, Deuteronomy 28:53, etc


Faultless? God creates satan and the angels - they rebel; god creates
people and allows satan, the lion and master deceiver, full and free
access to the newborn and naive humans. God places a lure in front of
their face - then punishes them repeatedly for generations for their
mistake? And god is faultless.... Right.... everyone suffers pain in
life, most suffer damnation in death - and all so that god can have
fellowship and people of incipient and fickle nature to worship him -
and faultless?


You are not awake. You are dreaming - because it comforts you. It is
the abandonment of thought....the bible is not true and the world will
be a better place when humans replace religion with reason.


Thus saith the horse of the north--humanism.

Ike


Typical... no reasonable response so label the post with a
philosophical tag that somehow is supposed to discredit the passage;
though the point remains - for a true biblical story, god is the
utmost in selfishness and cruelty while his automatons praise his
faultlessness.

LOL
It is a quite reasonable response. The enemies of God come from four
directions--human rationalism and pragmatism (the north), liberal
universalism (the east), rigid fundamentalism (the south), and the great and
terrible beast that trys to be like all the other three at the same time,
western society.
That you rant and rave against God is of no significance--you are in a hell
of your own making, placing the blame on Him when the blame is all yours,
because you can't see past the tip of your nose.
Ike
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User: ""

Title: Re: Religious Organisations 15 Dec 2007 04:44:22 PM
Yawn... typical Ike... throw out some labels, state no logic or
rebuttal and then past judgment on someone else as in a hell. You
believe in rote teaching, talking animals, a god that sends bears to
maul youths, but it is always someone else that can't see past the tip
of their nose...
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User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."

Title: Re: Religious Organisations 15 Dec 2007 06:00:08 PM
<natezenmaster@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Yawn... typical Ike... throw out some labels, state no logic or
rebuttal and then past judgment on someone else as in a hell. You
believe in rote teaching, talking animals, a god that sends bears to
maul youths, but it is always someone else that can't see past the tip
of their nose...

LOL
You obviously don't know WHAT "I believe."
Ike
P.S. Biblical anthropomorphism is symbolic, as when God gave the vision to
Peter telling him to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles.
As per the consistent usage in the prophets...
Cattle = pragmatic humanists.
Creeping things = universalistic idolaters.
Beasts of the Earth = fundamentalist legalists.
Fowls of the heavens = false spiritualists.
All these represented the divisions of the Gentiles by religious type, which
God supplanted with the truth of the Gospel.
Ike
P.S. And it's your ignorant rantings and ravings which will get you into
hell, not me.
.
User: "Fred A Stover"

Title: Re: Religious Organisations 16 Dec 2007 02:16:53 AM
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<natezenmaster@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Yawn... typical Ike... throw out some labels, state no logic or
rebuttal and then past judgment on someone else as in a hell. You
believe in rote teaching, talking animals, a god that sends bears to
maul youths, but it is always someone else that can't see past the tip
of their nose...


LOL

You obviously don't know WHAT "I believe."

What you believe is obvious, what ever the devil tells you.
Such as you're playing Ike almighty.


Ike

Lyin' Ike!
Two resurrections!
Resurrection is restoration from the fall:
1 Cor. 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for
they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are
spiritually discerned.
There are two resurrections:
John 5:28-29
Marvel not at this: for the time is coming, in the which all that are in
the graves shall hear his voice, [29] And shall come forth; they that have
done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto
the resurrection of judgment.
The first resurrection: "since by man came death, by man came also the
resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall
all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming" (1 Cor. 15:21-23).
Christ and His reigning with him are the first resurrection:
"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was
given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the
witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the
beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their
foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a
thousand years (but the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand
years were finished). This is the first resurrection" (Rev. 20:4-5).
The resurrection of judgment is the other resurrection at the end of the
millennium:
in which the circumcision is saved: The 144,000 firstfruits (Rev 14:3-4),
and the rest when the thousand years are finished.
See if you can get this right.
This is the first resurrection
the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished
This is the first resurrection
the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished
This is the first resurrection
the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished
This is the first resurrection
the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished
1 Cor 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they
are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are
spiritually discerned.
His,
--
http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
<)))))))><
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User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."

Title: Re: Religious Organisations 16 Dec 2007 02:41:34 AM
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Yawn... typical Ike... throw out some labels, state no logic or
rebuttal and then past judgment on someone else as in a hell. You
believe in rote teaching, talking animals, a god that sends bears to
maul youths, but it is always someone else that can't see past the tip
of their nose...


LOL

You obviously don't know WHAT "I believe."



What you believe is obvious, what ever the devil tells you.

Nope.
The Lord tells me and everyone else to hold fast the faith THROUGH the End
of the Age.
You frauds say "I'll fly away."
Ike
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User: "Fred A Stover"

Title: Re: Religious Organisations 16 Dec 2007 05:09:55 AM
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Yawn... typical Ike... throw out some labels, state no logic or
rebuttal and then past judgment on someone else as in a hell. You
believe in rote teaching, talking animals, a god that sends bears to
maul youths, but it is always someone else that can't see past the tip
of their nose...


LOL

You obviously don't know WHAT "I believe."



What you believe is obvious, what ever the devil tells you.


Nope.

The Lord tells me and everyone else to hold fast the faith THROUGH the End
of the Age.

You frauds say "I'll fly away."

Ike

ROTFL!!!!!!!!!
That is the end of the age, Goofy.
The Rapture: What is it? When is it?
In scripture the rapture is described in 1Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive
and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the
Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. It is our being
caught up to meet the Lord. As He promised I go to prepare a place for you
and I will come again, and receive you unto myself (John 14:2-3).
The word rapture comes from the Latin Vulgate version of the Bible deinde
nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur ***** illis in nubibus obviam
Domino in aera et sic semper ***** Domino erimus. The we...shall be caught up
in English is rapiemur in Latin. Rapiemur is the future passive of the Latin
verb for to seize away [rapio, -ere, rapui, raptum], and the English word
rapture comes from the future participle of rapio [rapturus, -a, -um], just
as the English word capture comes from the Latin word capio.
Our Lord was referring to the rapture in Matt 24:30-31 when He said, And
then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all
the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in
the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his
angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his
elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. However, the
rapture is only part of this thorough gathering of all His elect. In
addition to the Christians who will be gathered into His rest (Heb 4:9), and
go to the place prepared (John 14:2-3), the heavenly city (Heb 11:16). The
enemy-of-the-gospel elect are also gathered: As concerning the gospel, they
are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved
for the fathers' sakes (Rom 11:28). They enter His wrath instead of His
rest: Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest
(Ps 95:11). As we go to the place prepared for us, they are returned to
Israel: Ezek 37:12 Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause
you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel,
where they are saved after He has arrived And I will pour upon the house of
David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of
supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they
shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in
bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn (Zech
12:10) and For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their
sins (Rom 11:27). The gathering of his elect from the four winds, from one
end of heaven to the other is all of His elect.
In Matt 24:37 the Lord says, But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the
coming of the Son of man be, and in Gen 7:16-17 it is written And they that
went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and
the LORD shut him in. And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the
waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
The door was shut and the flood was on the earth. The door to His rest is
shut when the last gentile enters-in: For I would not, brethren, that ye
should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own
conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of
the Gentiles be come in" (Rom 11:25)], as in the days of Noah, His wrath
will rain down upon the earth. We are also told that the rapture follows the
revealing of the man on sin: Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of
our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, that ye be
not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor
by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man
deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a
falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is
worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself
that he is God (2 Thess 2:1-4). These verses not only tell us that His
coming and our being gathered to Him will follow the revealing of the
antichrist, but also tell us how he will be revealed. He will sit in the
temple shewing himself to be God by sitting in God's place: the mercy seat
between the cherubim on the ark of the covenant.
The time of the rapture is at the time when the two witnesses ascend into
heaven in Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto
them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their
enemies beheld them. The two witnesses are part of all His elect which are
gathered from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other (Matt
24:31). They are changed, putting on immortality and ascending into heaven,
at the same time, the same twinkling of an eye, that we all are changed at
the last trump in Rev 11 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all
sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised
incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on
incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality
(1Cor 15:51-53). The church enters His rest and the rest of mankind enters
His wrath.
The rest into which the church enters but His-enemy-of-the-gospel elect do
not enter is His day of rest Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in
David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear
his voice, harden not your hearts (Heb 4:7). It is the same day as the day
of the Lord But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in
the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements
shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein
shall be burned up (2Pet 3:10). It begins with His coming like a thief in
the night and ends at the end of His 1000 year reign when there is a new
heaven and a new earth And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first
heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea" (Rev
21:1) and His bride, the church, descends in the place He prepared for her
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of
heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband (Rev 21:2).
It is written in 2 Pet 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing,
that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as
one day, and the day of His rest, the day of the Lord, is a 1000 year day,
which is the third day of the prophecy in Hosea 6:2 to Jews who will live in
His millennial reign After two days will he revive us: in the third day he
will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
What is revealed by the 1000 year days in scripture is a week of 1000 year
days with the last day of the week being the day of the Lord, the day of His
rest. The three days of Hosea 6:2, the three at the end of the week, are
what scripture calls the last days, and the first day is the day in which
Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died at the age of 930 But of the tree
of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day
that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (Gen 2:17).
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Early Church Father Tertullian (circa 160-225 AD):
"But we do confess that a kingdom is promised to us upon the earth, although
before heaven, only in another state of existence; inasmuch as it will be
after the resurrection for a thousand years in the divinely-built city of
Jerusalem, 'let down from heaven,'"[Five Books Against Marcion, Book 3,
Chapter 25]
Early Church Father Justin Martyr (circa 100-165 AD):
"We have perceived, moreover, that the expression, 'The day of the Lord is
as a thousand years,' is connected with this subject. And further, there was
a certain man with us, whose name was John, one of the apostles of Christ,
who prophesied, by a revelation that was made to him, that those who
believed in our Christ would dwell a thousand years in Jerusalem; and that
thereafter the general, and, in short, the eternal resurrection and judgment
of all men would likewise take place. Just as our Lord also said, 'They
shall neither marry nor be given in marriage, but shall be equal to the
angels, the children of the God of the resurrection.'"[ THE SECOND APOLOGY
OF JUSTIN FOR THE CHRISTIANS ADDRESSED TO THE ROMAN SENATE, Chap 81]
Early Church Father Irenaeus (circa 130-202 AD):
"For in as many days as this world was made, in so many thousand years shall
it be concluded. And for this reason the Scripture says: Thus the heaven and
the earth were finished, and all their adornment. And God brought to a
conclusion upon the sixth day the works that He had made; and God rested
upon the seventh day from all His works.' This is an account of the things
formerly created, as also it is a prophecy of what is to come. For the day
of the Lord is as a thousand years; and in six days created things were
completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the
sixth thousand year. Irenaeus against Hersies, Book 5, Chap 28, sec 3
"But when this Antichrist shall have devastated all things in this world, he
will reign for three years and six months, and sit in the temple at
Jerusalem; and then the Lord will come from heaven in the clouds, in the
glory of the Father, sending this man and those who follow him into the lake
of fire; but bringing in for the righteous the times of the kingdom, that
is, the rest, the hallowed seventh day; and restoring to Abraham the
promised inheritance, in which kingdom the Lord declared, that 'many coming
from the east and from the west should sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and
Jacob.'Irenaeus against Hersies, Book 5, Chap 30, sec 4
"The predicted blessing, therefore, belongs unquestionably to the times of
the kingdom, when the righteous shall bear rule upon their rising from the
dead." Irenaeus against Hersies, Book 5, Chap 33, sec 3
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Yawn... typical Ike... throw out some labels, state no logic or
rebuttal and then past judgment on someone else as in a hell. You
believe in rote teaching, talking animals, a god that sends bears to
maul youths, but it is always someone else that can't see past the tip
of their nose...


LOL

You obviously don't know WHAT "I believe."



What you believe is obvious, what ever the devil tells you.


Nope.

The Lord tells me and everyone else to hold fast the faith THROUGH the
End of the Age.

You frauds say "I'll fly away."

Ike



ROTFL!!!!!!!!!

That is the end of the age, Goofy.

Thus have the false prognosticators been saying since their cult started in
the 1820s. And your every prediction has been wrong.
Ike
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Yawn... typical Ike... throw out some labels, state no logic or
rebuttal and then past judgment on someone else as in a hell. You
believe in rote teaching, talking animals, a god that sends bears to
maul youths, but it is always someone else that can't see past the
tip
of their nose...


LOL

You obviously don't know WHAT "I believe."



What you believe is obvious, what ever the devil tells you.


Nope.

The Lord tells me and everyone else to hold fast the faith THROUGH the
End of the Age.

You frauds say "I'll fly away."

Ike



ROTFL!!!!!!!!!

That is the end of the age, Goofy.


Thus have the false prognosticators been saying since their cult started
in the 1820s. And your every prediction has been wrong.

Your a one-man lunatic fringe that can't get anyone to join your cult after
reading your books.
ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And the Lord's saying that it will be at the end of the age is wrong because
it didn't happen yet? Goofy, it happens at the end of the age.
Lyin' Ike!
Two resurrections!
Resurrection is restoration from the fall:
1 Cor. 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for
they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are
spiritually discerned.
There are two resurrections:
John 5:28-29
Marvel not at this: for the time is coming, in the which all that are in
the graves shall hear his voice, [29] And shall come forth; they that have
done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto
the resurrection of judgment.
The first resurrection: "since by man came death, by man came also the
resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall
all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits;
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming" (1 Cor. 15:21-23).
Christ and His reigning with him are the first resurrection:
"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was
given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the
witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the
beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their
foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a
thousand years (but the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand
years were finished). This is the first resurrection" (Rev. 20:4-5).
The resurrection of judgment is the other resurrection at the end of the
millennium:
in which the circumcision is saved: The 144,000 firstfruits (Rev 14:3-4),
and the rest when the thousand years are finished.
See if you can get this right.
This is the first resurrection
the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished
This is the first resurrection
the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished
This is the first resurrection
the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished
This is the first resurrection
the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished
1 Cor 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they
are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are
spiritually discerned.
His,
--
http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
<)))))))><


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Yawn... typical Ike... throw out some labels, state no logic or
rebuttal and then past judgment on someone else as in a hell. You
believe in rote teaching, talking animals, a god that sends bears to
maul youths, but it is always someone else that can't see past the
tip
of their nose...


LOL

You obviously don't know WHAT "I believe."



What you believe is obvious, what ever the devil tells you.


Nope.

The Lord tells me and everyone else to hold fast the faith THROUGH the
End of the Age.

You frauds say "I'll fly away."

Ike



ROTFL!!!!!!!!!

That is the end of the age, Goofy.


Thus have the false prognosticators been saying since their cult started
in the 1820s. And your every prediction has been wrong.



Your a one-man lunatic fringe that can't get anyone to join your cult
after reading your books.

LOL
What I tell you is right on the money, verse-by-verse, and historical fact
by historical fact.
That's how I KNOW that you false prognosticators have been wrong since your
cult first started in the 1820s, and your every prediction has been wrong.
And I never asked anyone to JOIN anything. I write TO the established
churches, unlike your cult, which OPPOSED the established churches.
[snip the rest of the lunatic's ramblings]
Ike
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Yawn... typical Ike... throw out some labels, state no logic or
rebuttal and then past judgment on someone else as in a hell. You
believe in rote teaching, talking animals, a god that sends bears
to
maul youths, but it is always someone else that can't see past the
tip
of their nose...


LOL

You obviously don't know WHAT "I believe."



What you believe is obvious, what ever the devil tells you.


Nope.

The Lord tells me and everyone else to hold fast the faith THROUGH the
End of the Age.

You frauds say "I'll fly away."

Ike



ROTFL!!!!!!!!!

That is the end of the age, Goofy.


Thus have the false prognosticators been saying since their cult started
in the 1820s. And your every prediction has been wrong.



Your a one-man lunatic fringe that can't get anyone to join your cult
after reading your books.


LOL

What I tell you is right on the money, verse-by-verse, and historical fact
by historical fact.

You're a liar.
The rapture was taught by Christ and His disciples, which you do not have
the Spiritual discernment to see.
John 14:2-3
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have
told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare a
place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I
am, there ye may be also.
1 Thes. 4:16-17
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the
voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ
shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up
together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall
we ever be with the Lord.


Ike

Lyin' Ike!
Isaiah 28:7-13
But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out
of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they
are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they
err in vision, they stumble in judgment. [8] For all tables are full of
vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.
[9] Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand
doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
[10] For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line,
line upon line; here a little, and there a little: [11] For with stammering
lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. [12] To whom he said,
This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the
refreshing: yet they would not hear. [13] But the word of the Lord was unto
them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon
line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall
backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
His,
--
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ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
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Yawn... typical Ike... throw out some labels, state no logic or
rebuttal and then past judgment on someone else as in a hell. You
believe in rote teaching, talking animals, a god that sends bears
to
maul youths, but it is always someone else that can't see past the
tip
of their nose...


LOL

You obviously don't know WHAT "I believe."



What you believe is obvious, what ever the devil tells you.


Nope.

The Lord tells me and everyone else to hold fast the faith THROUGH
the End of the Age.

You frauds say "I'll fly away."

Ike



ROTFL!!!!!!!!!

That is the end of the age, Goofy.


Thus have the false prognosticators been saying since their cult
started in the 1820s. And your every prediction has been wrong.



Your a one-man lunatic fringe that can't get anyone to join your cult
after reading your books.


LOL

What I tell you is right on the money, verse-by-verse, and historical
fact by historical fact.


You're a liar.

Nope.
You are, just like every other Dispensationalist.

The rapture was taught by Christ and His disciples, which you do not have
the Spiritual discernment to see.

LOL
Christ didn't teach it once--He taught perseverance. ALWAYS. And that alone
makes Dispensationalism a lie.

John 14:2-3
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have
told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare a
place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where
I am, there ye may be also.

Nothing in here about any rapture.

1 Thes. 4:16-17
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the
voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ
shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught
up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so
shall we ever be with the Lord.

Those "who are alive and remain" = the Remnant, NOT the Church-at-large, but
they are of "we" because they will be Israelites AND Christians, i.e. "These
are they who keep the commandments of God AND have the faith of Jesus,"
etc., etc.
Thus, it's NOT about YOU; It's about THEM.
And therein lies the lie of the rapture myth.
Ike
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Yawn... typical Ike... throw out some labels, state no logic or
rebuttal and then past judgment on someone else as in a hell. You
believe in rote teaching, talking animals, a god that sends bears
to
maul youths, but it is always someone else that can't see past
the tip
of their nose...


LOL

You obviously don't know WHAT "I believe."



What you believe is obvious, what ever the devil tells you.


Nope.

The Lord tells me and everyone else to hold fast the faith THROUGH
the End of the Age.

You frauds say "I'll fly away."

Ike



ROTFL!!!!!!!!!

That is the end of the age, Goofy.


Thus have the false prognosticators been saying since their cult
started in the 1820s. And your every prediction has been wrong.



Your a one-man lunatic fringe that can't get anyone to join your cult
after reading your books.


LOL

What I tell you is right on the money, verse-by-verse, and historical
fact by historical fact.


You're a liar.


Nope.

Another lie!

You are, just like every other Dispensationalist.

The rapture was taught by Christ and His disciples, which you do not have
the Spiritual discernment to see.


LOL

Christ didn't teach it once--He taught perseverance. ALWAYS. And that
alone makes Dispensationalism a lie.

ROTFL!!!!!!!!!
How is our perservering to the end a lie, Goofy?


John 14:2-3
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would
have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and
prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself;
that where I am, there ye may be also.


Nothing in here about any rapture.

ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!
That is the rapture, Goofy!


1 Thes. 4:16-17
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the
voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ
shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught
up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so
shall we ever be with the Lord.


Those "who are alive and remain" = the Remnant, NOT the Church-at-large,
but they are of "we" because they will be Israelites AND Christians, i.e.
"These are they who keep the commandments of God AND have the faith of
Jesus," etc., etc.

ROTFL!!!!
Rerad it again, Looney Toon!
<Snip>


Ike

His,
Lyin' Ike!
Romans 11:11-12
I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but
rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to
provoke them to jealousy. [12] Now if the fall of them be the riches of the
world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more
their fulness?
Romans 11:25-32
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery,
lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is
happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. [26] And
so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion
the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: [27] For this is
my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. [28] As concerning
the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election,
they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. [29] For the gifts and calling of
God are without repentance. [30] For as ye in times past have not believed
God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: [31] Even so have
these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain
mercy. [32] For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have
mercy upon all.
Matthew 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one
tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Galatians 5:3
For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a
debtor to do the whole law.
Zech. 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of
Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look
upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one
mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that
is in bitterness for his firstborn.
1 Chron. 22:6-10
Then he called for Solomon his son, and charged him to build an house
for the Lord God of Israel. [7] And David said to Solomon, My son, as for
me, it was in my mind to build an house unto the name of the Lord my God:
[8] But the word of the Lord came to me, saying, Thou hast shed blood
abundantly, and hast made great wars: thou shalt not build an house unto my
name, because thou hast shed much blood upon the earth in my sight. [9]
Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will
give him rest from all his enemies round about: for his name shall be
Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days. [10]
He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be
his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for
ever.
Ezekiel 44:9
Thus saith the Lord God; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor
uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that
is among the children of Israel.
Ezekiel 44:23-24
And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and
profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean. [24]
And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it
according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in
all mine assemblies; and they shall hallow my sabbaths.
His,
--
http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
<)))))))><
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Title: Re: Religious Organisations 20 Dec 2007 02:42:23 PM
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[snip]

Christ didn't teach it once--He taught perseverance. ALWAYS. And that
alone makes Dispensationalism a lie.


ROTFL!!!!!!!!!

How is our perservering to the end a lie, Goofy?

Where Paul, John, and Peter wrote that the churches will be annihilated even
before we GET to the last seven years, Dispensationalism is a lie in that it
cut THAT part of the prophecies off with its "missing week" myth.

John 14:2-3
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would
have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and
prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself;
that where I am, there ye may be also.


Nothing in here about any rapture.



ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!

That is the rapture, Goofy!

No its not. There is nothing IN there about a "rapture." It simply says that
Jesus has gone on to make a place for His followers, whom He'll gather in
the resurrection, and the gathering of HIS ELECT (NOT the church-at-large).
Sorry. No "rapture" in there.

1 Thes. 4:16-17
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the
voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in
Christ shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall
be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the
air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


Those "who are alive and remain" = the Remnant, NOT the Church-at-large,
but they are of "we" because they will be Israelites AND Christians, i.e.
"These are they who keep the commandments of God AND have the faith of
Jesus," etc., etc.


ROTFL!!!!

Rerad it again, Looney Toon!

No, YOU read it again, idiot: Jesus, Paul, and John all said the same
thing--the ELECT whom HE shall choose, those who will be "alive and remain,"
those 144,000 Israelite-Christians John keeps talking about--NOT the
church-at-large--THEY will be gathered, as they are all that will be left by
the time these things happen.
Ike
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[snip]


Christ didn't teach it once--He taught perseverance. ALWAYS. And that
alone makes Dispensationalism a lie.


ROTFL!!!!!!!!!

How is our perservering to the end a lie, Goofy?


Where Paul, John, and Peter wrote that the churches will be annihilated
even before we GET to the last seven years, Dispensationalism is a lie in
that it cut THAT part of the prophecies off with its "missing week" myth.

Still hearing voices, Goofy? Your seven years has nothing to do with the
scriptural rapture, so why do you keep trying to put it into it". You're the
only one talking about a seven year period.


John 14:2-3
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would
have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and
prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto
myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.


Nothing in here about any rapture.



ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!

That is the rapture, Goofy!


No its not.

<snip>
That's why you're called Goofy, Looney Toon.
His,

Ike

Have your mommy read it to you, Goofy.
The Rapture: What is it? When is it?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Early Church Father Tertullian (circa 160-225 AD):
"But we do confess that a kingdom is promised to us upon the earth, although
before heaven, only in another state of existence; inasmuch as it will be
after the resurrection for a thousand years in the divinely-built city of
Jerusalem, 'let down from heaven,'"[Five Books Against Marcion, Book 3,
Chapter 25]
Early Church Father Justin Martyr (circa 100-165 AD):
"We have perceived, moreover, that the expression, 'The day of the Lord is
as a thousand years,' is connected with this subject. And further, there was
a certain man with us, whose name was John, one of the apostles of Christ,
who prophesied, by a revelation that was made to him, that those who
believed in our Christ would dwell a thousand years in Jerusalem; and that
thereafter the general, and, in short, the eternal resurrection and judgment
of all men would likewise take place. Just as our Lord also said, 'They
shall neither marry nor be given in marriage, but shall be equal to the
angels, the children of the God of the resurrection.'"[ THE SECOND APOLOGY
OF JUSTIN FOR THE CHRISTIANS ADDRESSED TO THE ROMAN SENATE, Chap 81]
Early Church Father Irenaeus (circa 130-202 AD):
"For in as many days as this world was made, in so many thousand years shall
it be concluded. And for this reason the Scripture says: Thus the heaven and
the earth were finished, and all their adornment. And God brought to a
conclusion upon the sixth day the works that He had made; and God rested
upon the seventh day from all His works.' This is an account of the things
formerly created, as also it is a prophecy of what is to come. For the day
of the Lord is as a thousand years; and in six days created things were
completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the
sixth thousand year. Irenaeus against Hersies, Book 5, Chap 28, sec 3
"But when this Antichrist shall have devastated all things in this world, he
will reign for three years and six months, and sit in the temple at
Jerusalem; and then the Lord will come from heaven in the clouds, in the
glory of the Father, sending this man and those who follow him into the lake
of fire; but bringing in for the righteous the times of the kingdom, that
is, the rest, the hallowed seventh day; and restoring to Abraham the
promised inheritance, in which kingdom the Lord declared, that 'many coming
from the east and from the west should sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and
Jacob.'Irenaeus against Hersies, Book 5, Chap 30, sec 4
"The predicted blessing, therefore, belongs unquestionably to the times of
the kingdom, when the righteous shall bear rule upon their rising from the
dead." Irenaeus against Hersies, Book 5, Chap 33, sec 3
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In scripture the rapture is described in 1Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive
and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the
Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. It is our being
caught up to meet the Lord. As He promised I go to prepare a place for you
and I will come again, and receive you unto myself (John 14:2-3).
The word rapture comes from the Latin Vulgate version of the Bible deinde
nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur ***** illis in nubibus obviam
Domino in aera et sic semper ***** Domino erimus. The we...shall be caught up
in English is rapiemur in Latin. Rapiemur is the future passive of the Latin
verb for to seize away [rapio, -ere, rapui, raptum], and the English word
rapture comes from the future participle of rapio [rapturus, -a, -um], just
as the English word capture comes from the Latin word capio.
Our Lord was referring to the rapture in Matt 24:30-31 when He said, And
then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all
the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in
the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his
angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his
elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. However, the
rapture is only part of this thorough gathering of all His elect. In
addition to the Christians who will be gathered into His rest (Heb 4:9), and
go to the place prepared (John 14:2-3), the heavenly city (Heb 11:16). The
enemy-of-the-gospel elect are also gathered: As concerning the gospel, they
are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved
for the fathers' sakes (Rom 11:28). They enter His wrath instead of His
rest: Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest
(Ps 95:11). As we go to the place prepared for us, they are returned to
Israel: Ezek 37:12 Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause
you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel,
where they are saved after He has arrived And I will pour upon the house of
David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of
supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they
shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in
bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn (Zech
12:10) and For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their
sins (Rom 11:27). The gathering of his elect from the four winds, from one
end of heaven to the other is all of His elect.
In Matt 24:37 the Lord says, But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the
coming of the Son of man be, and in Gen 7:16-17 it is written And they that
went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and
the LORD shut him in. And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the
waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
The door was shut and the flood was on the earth. The door to His rest is
shut when the last gentile enters-in: For I would not, brethren, that ye
should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own
conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of
the Gentiles be come in" (Rom 11:25)], as in the days of Noah, His wrath
will rain down upon the earth. We are also told that the rapture follows the
revealing of the man on sin: Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of
our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, that ye be
not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor
by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man
deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a
falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is
worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself
that he is God (2 Thess 2:1-4). These verses not only tell us that His
coming and our being gathered to Him will follow the revealing of the
antichrist, but also tell us how he will be revealed. He will sit in the
temple shewing himself to be God by sitting in God's place: the mercy seat
between the cherubim on the ark of the covenant.
The time of the rapture is at the time when the two witnesses ascend into
heaven in Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto
them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their
enemies beheld them. The two witnesses are part of all His elect which are
gathered from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other (Matt
24:31). They are changed, putting on immortality and ascending into heaven,
at the same time, the same twinkling of an eye, that we all are changed at
the last trump in Rev 11 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all
sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised
incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on
incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality
(1Cor 15:51-53). The church enters His rest and the rest of mankind enters
His wrath.
The rest into which the church enters but His-enemy-of-the-gospel elect do
not enter is His day of rest Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in
David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear
his voice, harden not your hearts (Heb 4:7). It is the same day as the day
of the Lord But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in
the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements
shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein
shall be burned up (2Pet 3:10). It begins with His coming like a thief in
the night and ends at the end of His 1000 year reign when there is a new
heaven and a new earth And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first
heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea" (Rev
21:1) and His bride, the church, descends in the place He prepared for her
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of
heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband (Rev 21:2).
It is written in 2 Pet 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing,
that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as
one day, and the day of His rest, the day of the Lord, is a 1000 year day,
which is the third day of the prophecy in Hosea 6:2 to Jews who will live in
His millennial reign After two days will he revive us: in the third day he
will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
What is revealed by the 1000 year days in scripture is a week of 1000 year
days with the last day of the week being the day of the Lord, the day of His
rest. The three days of Hosea 6:2, the three at the end of the week, are
what scripture calls the last days, and the first day is the day in which
Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died at the age of 930 But of the tree
of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day
that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (Gen 2:17).
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."

Title: Re: Religious Organisations 21 Dec 2007 12:54:01 PM
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[snip]


Christ didn't teach it once--He taught perseverance. ALWAYS. And that
alone makes Dispensationalism a lie.


ROTFL!!!!!!!!!

How is our perservering to the end a lie, Goofy?


Where Paul, John, and Peter wrote that the churches will be annihilated
even before we GET to the last seven years, Dispensationalism is a lie in
that it cut THAT part of the prophecies off with its "missing week" myth.


Still hearing voices, Goofy? Your seven years has nothing to do with the
scriptural rapture, so why do you keep trying to put it into it". You're
the only one talking about a seven year period.

No, I'm the only one talking about the seventy year period that seven
prophecies speak of, divided 62/1/7, which format the Dispensationalists
truncated to cut the hard parts off of Jesus' prophecies.
And there is no "scriptural rapture:" It was an invention that the
Dispensationalists concocted to further aid in cutting the hard parts off of
Jesus' prophecies.
[snip]

The Rapture: What is it? When is it?

A myth concocted by the cult of the Plymouth Brethren that will never
happen.
Ike
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Title: Re: Religious Organisations 23 Dec 2007 09:38:19 AM
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[snip]


Christ didn't teach it once--He taught perseverance. ALWAYS. And that
alone makes Dispensationalism a lie.


ROTFL!!!!!!!!!

How is our perservering to the end a lie, Goofy?


Where Paul, John, and Peter wrote that the churches will be annihilated
even before we GET to the last seven years, Dispensationalism is a lie
in that it cut THAT part of the prophecies off with its "missing week"
myth.


Still hearing voices, Goofy? Your seven years has nothing to do with the
scriptural rapture, so why do you keep trying to put it into it". You're
the only one talking about a seven year period.


No, I'm the only one talking about the seventy year period that seven
prophecies speak of, divided 62/1/7, which format the Dispensationalists
truncated to cut the hard parts off of Jesus' prophecies.

ROTFL!!!!!
Hey, Goofy, you're rummaging around in the wrong box. Is that the only box
you've got in your mind.
The discussion is about the rapture, and has nothing to do with your your
lunatic hallucinations.
What is being discussed, Goofy, is the scriptural rapture of the church at
His coming, and the dispensations, which you've been shown time and again,
are the different extensions of His grace to His two elect. One is the
church who have the grace to receive him before He comes, And the other
elect (Rom 11:25-29) who receives the grace to come to Him after He returns
(Zech 12:10). You know, the difference between the Old Covenant and the New
Covenant.

Ike

His,
Try reading it again, Goofy.
--
http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
<)))))))><
The Rapture: What is it? When is it?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Early Church Father Tertullian (circa 160-225 AD):
"But we do confess that a kingdom is promised to us upon the earth, although
before heaven, only in another state of existence; inasmuch as it will be
after the resurrection for a thousand years in the divinely-built city of
Jerusalem, 'let down from heaven,'"[Five Books Against Marcion, Book 3,
Chapter 25]
Early Church Father Justin Martyr (circa 100-165 AD):
"We have perceived, moreover, that the expression, 'The day of the Lord is
as a thousand years,' is connected with this subject. And further, there was
a certain man with us, whose name was John, one of the apostles of Christ,
who prophesied, by a revelation that was made to him, that those who
believed in our Christ would dwell a thousand years in Jerusalem; and that
thereafter the general, and, in short, the eternal resurrection and judgment
of all men would likewise take place. Just as our Lord also said, 'They
shall neither marry nor be given in marriage, but shall be equal to the
angels, the children of the God of the resurrection.'"[ THE SECOND APOLOGY
OF JUSTIN FOR THE CHRISTIANS ADDRESSED TO THE ROMAN SENATE, Chap 81]
Early Church Father Irenaeus (circa 130-202 AD):
"For in as many days as this world was made, in so many thousand years shall
it be concluded. And for this reason the Scripture says: Thus the heaven and
the earth were finished, and all their adornment. And God brought to a
conclusion upon the sixth day the works that He had made; and God rested
upon the seventh day from all His works.' This is an account of the things
formerly created, as also it is a prophecy of what is to come. For the day
of the Lord is as a thousand years; and in six days created things were
completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the
sixth thousand year. Irenaeus against Hersies, Book 5, Chap 28, sec 3
"But when this Antichrist shall have devastated all things in this world, he
will reign for three years and six months, and sit in the temple at
Jerusalem; and then the Lord will come from heaven in the clouds, in the
glory of the Father, sending this man and those who follow him into the lake
of fire; but bringing in for the righteous the times of the kingdom, that
is, the rest, the hallowed seventh day; and restoring to Abraham the
promised inheritance, in which kingdom the Lord declared, that 'many coming
from the east and from the west should sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and
Jacob.'Irenaeus against Hersies, Book 5, Chap 30, sec 4
"The predicted blessing, therefore, belongs unquestionably to the times of
the kingdom, when the righteous shall bear rule upon their rising from the
dead." Irenaeus against Hersies, Book 5, Chap 33, sec 3
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In scripture the rapture is described in 1Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive
and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the
Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. It is our being
caught up to meet the Lord. As He promised I go to prepare a place for you
and I will come again, and receive you unto myself (John 14:2-3).
The word rapture comes from the Latin Vulgate version of the Bible deinde
nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul rapiemur ***** illis in nubibus obviam
Domino in aera et sic semper ***** Domino erimus. The we...shall be caught up
in English is rapiemur in Latin. Rapiemur is the future passive of the Latin
verb for to seize away [rapio, -ere, rapui, raptum], and the English word
rapture comes from the future participle of rapio [rapturus, -a, -um], just
as the English word capture comes from the Latin word capio.
Our Lord was referring to the rapture in Matt 24:30-31 when He said, And
then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all
the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in
the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his
angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his
elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. However, the
rapture is only part of this thorough gathering of all His elect. In
addition to the Christians who will be gathered into His rest (Heb 4:9), and
go to the place prepared (John 14:2-3), the heavenly city (Heb 11:16). The
enemy-of-the-gospel elect are also gathered: As concerning the gospel, they
are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved
for the fathers' sakes (Rom 11:28). They enter His wrath instead of His
rest: Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest
(Ps 95:11). As we go to the place prepared for us, they are returned to
Israel: Ezek 37:12 Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause
you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel,
where they are saved after He has arrived And I will pour upon the house of
David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of
supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they
shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in
bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn (Zech
12:10) and For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their
sins (Rom 11:27). The gathering of his elect from the four winds, from one
end of heaven to the other is all of His elect.
In Matt 24:37 the Lord says, But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the
coming of the Son of man be, and in Gen 7:16-17 it is written And they that
went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and
the LORD shut him in. And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the
waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
The door was shut and the flood was on the earth. The door to His rest is
shut when the last gentile enters-in: For I would not, brethren, that ye
should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own
conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of
the Gentiles be come in" (Rom 11:25)], as in the days of Noah, His wrath
will rain down upon the earth. We are also told that the rapture follows the
revealing of the man on sin: Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of
our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, that ye be
not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor
by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man
deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a
falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is
worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself
that he is God (2 Thess 2:1-4). These verses not only tell us that His
coming and our being gathered to Him will follow the revealing of the
antichrist, but also tell us how he will be revealed. He will sit in the
temple shewing himself to be God by sitting in God's place: the mercy seat
between the cherubim on the ark of the covenant.
The time of the rapture is at the time when the two witnesses ascend into
heaven in Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto
them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their
enemies beheld them. The two witnesses are part of all His elect which are
gathered from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other (Matt
24:31). They are changed, putting on immortality and ascending into heaven,
at the same time, the same twinkling of an eye, that we all are changed at
the last trump in Rev 11 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all
sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised
incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on
incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality
(1Cor 15:51-53). The church enters His rest and the rest of mankind enters
His wrath.
The rest into which the church enters but His-enemy-of-the-gospel elect do
not enter is His day of rest Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in
David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear
his voice, harden not your hearts (Heb 4:7). It is the same day as the day
of the Lord But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in
the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements
shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein
shall be burned up (2Pet 3:10). It begins with His coming like a thief in
the night and ends at the end of His 1000 year reign when there is a new
heaven and a new earth And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first
heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea" (Rev
21:1) and His bride, the church, descends in the place He prepared for her
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of
heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband (Rev 21:2).
It is written in 2 Pet 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing,
that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as
one day, and the day of His rest, the day of the Lord, is a 1000 year day,
which is the third day of the prophecy in Hosea 6:2 to Jews who will live in
His millennial reign After two days will he revive us: in the third day he
will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
What is revealed by the 1000 year days in scripture is a week of 1000 year
days with the last day of the week being the day of the Lord, the day of His
rest. The three days of Hosea 6:2, the three at the end of the week, are
what scripture calls the last days, and the first day is the day in which
Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died at the age of 930 But of the tree
of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day
that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (Gen 2:17).
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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[snip]


Christ didn't teach it once--He taught perseverance. ALWAYS. And that
alone makes Dispensationalism a lie.


ROTFL!!!!!!!!!

How is our perservering to the end a lie, Goofy?


Where Paul, John, and Peter wrote that the churches will be annihilated
even before we GET to the last seven years, Dispensationalism is a lie
in that it cut THAT part of the prophecies off with its "missing week"
myth.


Still hearing voices, Goofy? Your seven years has nothing to do with the
scriptural rapture, so why do you keep trying to put it into it". You're
the only one talking about a seven year period.


No, I'm the only one talking about the seventy year period that seven
prophecies speak of, divided 62/1/7, which format the Dispensationalists
truncated to cut the hard parts off of Jesus' prophecies.


ROTFL!!!!!

Hey, Goofy, you're rummaging around in the wrong box.

No, foolish one, it's ALL the same "box."

Is that the only box you've got in your mind.
The discussion is about the rapture, and has nothing to do with your your
lunatic hallucinations.

LOL
No hallucinations to it.
Prophecy is what prophecy is, and it is interpreted by the rules established
by the prophets, NOT cultic teachers of the 17th century.

What is being discussed, Goofy, is the scriptural rapture of the church at
His coming, and the dispensations, which you've been shown time and again,
are the different extensions of His grace to His two elect.

There is no "scriptural rapture" of the church.
The scriptures were not talking about "the church." They're referring to the
"elect whom He shall choose," above and BEYOND the church, i.e. those
144,000 Israelite-Christian evangelists you dweeboids keep ignoring.

One is the church who have the grace to receive him before He comes, And
the other elect (Rom 11:25-29) who receives the grace to come to Him after
He returns (Zech 12:10).

Nope.
Israel that "was" and "is" are processed in the first resurrection.
The balance of prophecy deals with the Israel that is "yet to come."

You know, the difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant.

God will combine, not divide, starting with the "elect whom He shall
choose," which is NOT "the church" OR "Israel" as it was. It will be a new
Israel altogether, derived from the previous two--the Israel that "was" and
the Israel that "is."
Ike
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