Religions > Bible > Request for people to write or call their congressmen
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"John P. Boatwright" |
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19 Sep 2004 08:16:15 AM |
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Request for people to write or call their congressmen |
A young woman died a couple weeks ago, she died of
alcohol poisoning at a frat party. You might have
seen a report about it in the news. She died because
she was drinking too much, passed out, and died.
You might be thinking, "oh just another dumb kid died".
Nope.
She wasn't the typical person, apparently she was a
homecoming queen, intelligent, nice, popular, and
the town she grew up in is greiving heavily over their
loss.
What I'd like people to consider is, alcohol is a drug,
a legal drug, that is often times abused, and that
can have serious consequences. The young woman that died
had been part of the D.A.R.E program, so you'd expect
that if anyone would know how alcohol could kill someone,
she would be one of the ones to know it. The point to
consider is... there are no warnings on the bottles about
HOW MUCH is dangerous, or when you can know it's dangerous.
I checked the lable of a typical California bottle of wine,
the lable says that it's bad for pregnant women to drink
and that there can be health issues... which in no way conveys
what is normal to drink, nor what could cause someone's death.
If you buy a typical drug at a pharmacist, a legal drug,
they list what is normal, to some level they tell you what
is normal to consume, but they don't on bottles of alcohol.
Why?
Did you know that if you drink to the level of passing
out (which is actually fairly common, this young woman
for instance), you are dangerously close to DYING???
Passing out drunk... can be deadly.
I didn't know that... I only found this out in doing some
quick research on the internet... yet I've been through
high school drug classes in the past that talked about such
stuff. Could it be that the young woman that died 2 weeks
ago, that she didn't know this either?
Probably.
Please, consider writing to your congressmen to ask them
to force alcohol producers to list some nominal max level
that is thought to be safe, put it on the label. My own
choice for text for such a label would say something like:
"Warning: the typical adult male should drink no more than
'X' bottles of this product in 1 hour ('Y' bottles if you
are the normal adult female), or you could die from
alcohol poisoning. If you have drunk enough to pass out,
you are dangerously close to death and should be taken
to a hospital immediately".
Something of that context, that tells people what a maximum
level of drinking is, that warns them what to watch out for.
A text like that on the bottles could have saved that young
womans life. Please write or call your congressman today.
Thanks.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Request for people to write or call their congressmen |
19 Sep 2004 09:13:37 AM |
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"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message
news:414D8621.55A2@For-God.net...
A young woman died a couple weeks ago, she died of
alcohol poisoning at a frat party. You might have
seen a report about it in the news. She died because
she was drinking too much, passed out, and died.
You might be thinking, "oh just another dumb kid died".
Nope.
She wasn't the typical person, apparently she was a
homecoming queen, intelligent, nice, popular, and
the town she grew up in is greiving heavily over their
loss.
What I'd like people to consider is, alcohol is a drug,
a legal drug, that is often times abused, and that
can have serious consequences. The young woman that died
had been part of the D.A.R.E program, so you'd expect
that if anyone would know how alcohol could kill someone,
she would be one of the ones to know it. The point to
consider is... there are no warnings on the bottles about
HOW MUCH is dangerous, or when you can know it's dangerous.
Sorry but if someone is too stupid to know when to stop drinking a label on
the bottle won't make a damn bit of difference.
Kathryn
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| User: "Clayton Sprained His Ankle The Useless Bastard!" |
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| Title: Re: Request for people to write or call their congressmen |
19 Sep 2004 08:11:00 PM |
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"kathryn" <bob@bob.com> wrote in message
news:cik46h$a8l$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message
news:414D8621.55A2@For-God.net...
A young woman died a couple weeks ago, she died of
alcohol poisoning at a frat party. You might have
seen a report about it in the news. She died because
she was drinking too much, passed out, and died.
You might be thinking, "oh just another dumb kid died".
Nope.
She wasn't the typical person, apparently she was a
homecoming queen, intelligent, nice, popular, and
the town she grew up in is greiving heavily over their
loss.
What I'd like people to consider is, alcohol is a drug,
a legal drug, that is often times abused, and that
can have serious consequences. The young woman that died
had been part of the D.A.R.E program, so you'd expect
that if anyone would know how alcohol could kill someone,
she would be one of the ones to know it. The point to
consider is... there are no warnings on the bottles about
HOW MUCH is dangerous, or when you can know it's dangerous.
Sorry but if someone is too stupid to know when to stop drinking a label
on
the bottle won't make a damn bit of difference.
Those kooky Bush twins!!
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| User: "Ike" |
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| Title: Re: Request for people to write or call their congressmen |
19 Sep 2004 07:19:17 PM |
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"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message
news:414D8621.55A2@For-God.net...
A young woman died a couple weeks ago, she died of
alcohol poisoning at a frat party. You might have
seen a report about it in the news. She died because
she was drinking too much, passed out, and died.
You might be thinking, "oh just another dumb kid died".
Nope.
She wasn't the typical person, apparently she was a
homecoming queen, intelligent, nice, popular, and
the town she grew up in is greiving heavily over their
loss.
What I'd like people to consider is, alcohol is a drug,
a legal drug, that is often times abused, and that
can have serious consequences. The young woman that died
had been part of the D.A.R.E program, so you'd expect
that if anyone would know how alcohol could kill someone,
she would be one of the ones to know it. The point to
consider is... there are no warnings on the bottles about
HOW MUCH is dangerous, or when you can know it's dangerous.
I checked the lable of a typical California bottle of wine,
the lable says that it's bad for pregnant women to drink
and that there can be health issues... which in no way conveys
what is normal to drink, nor what could cause someone's death.
If you buy a typical drug at a pharmacist, a legal drug,
they list what is normal, to some level they tell you what
is normal to consume, but they don't on bottles of alcohol.
Why?
Did you know that if you drink to the level of passing
out (which is actually fairly common, this young woman
for instance), you are dangerously close to DYING???
Passing out drunk... can be deadly.
I didn't know that... I only found this out in doing some
quick research on the internet... yet I've been through
high school drug classes in the past that talked about such
stuff. Could it be that the young woman that died 2 weeks
ago, that she didn't know this either?
Probably.
Please, consider writing to your congressmen to ask them
to force alcohol producers to list some nominal max level
that is thought to be safe, put it on the label. My own
choice for text for such a label would say something like:
"Warning: the typical adult male should drink no more than
'X' bottles of this product in 1 hour ('Y' bottles if you
are the normal adult female), or you could die from
alcohol poisoning. If you have drunk enough to pass out,
you are dangerously close to death and should be taken
to a hospital immediately".
Something of that context, that tells people what a maximum
level of drinking is, that warns them what to watch out for.
A text like that on the bottles could have saved that young
womans life. Please write or call your congressman today.
Thanks.
That reminds me. I have several bottles of wine that I've been neglecting.
--
Freedom of thought entails no "Intellectual Property".
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| User: "Brendan" |
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| Title: Re: Request for people to write or call their congressmen |
19 Sep 2004 12:05:04 PM |
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"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message
news:414D8621.55A2@For-God.net...
Please, consider writing to your congressmen to ask them
to force alcohol producers to list some nominal max level
that is thought to be safe, put it on the label. My own
choice for text for such a label would say something like:
"Warning: the typical adult male should drink no more than
'X' bottles of this product in 1 hour ('Y' bottles if you
are the normal adult female), or you could die from
alcohol poisoning. If you have drunk enough to pass out,
you are dangerously close to death and should be taken
to a hospital immediately".
Noble enough intentions... but the amount X would change for everybody. We
all have different metabolisms and our bodies react differently to alcohol.
Please find one instance when someone smoked marijuana, and it caused their
heart to stop... that must be some gooood *****.
I think I understand where you're coming from. Fact is, alcohol is deadly.
If you drink like a dumb-***** you might die. Not that this is the nature of
the discussion, but marijuana is not able to be overdosed on. There is no
toxic level of marijuana... it has never killed anybody directly. (That I've
been able to read or hear about)
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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| Title: Re: Request for people to write or call their congressmen |
19 Sep 2004 09:14:15 AM |
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Brendan wrote:
"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message
news:414D8621.55A2@For-God.net...
Please, consider writing to your congressmen to ask them
to force alcohol producers to list some nominal max level
that is thought to be safe, put it on the label. My own
choice for text for such a label would say something like:
"Warning: the typical adult male should drink no more than
'X' bottles of this product in 1 hour ('Y' bottles if you
are the normal adult female), or you could die from
alcohol poisoning. If you have drunk enough to pass out,
you are dangerously close to death and should be taken
to a hospital immediately".
Noble enough intentions... but the amount X would change for everybody. We
all have different metabolisms and our bodies react differently to alcohol.
Yep, and a small additional text could even list body weights
and how much is safe... if you go over that level, have someone
handy to call an ambulance.
As it is, there is NO information about what's safe or not.
If I buy a bottle of vodka... can I drink all of it in one hour?
???
There's no discussion on the bottle about what's safe and
I can die if I do that...right? I have no idea, but I would
suspect that I could die if I drank an entire bottle of
vodka.
Please find one instance when someone smoked marijuana, and it caused their
heart to stop... that must be some gooood *****.
Maybe you should do a study?
I think I understand where you're coming from. Fact is, alcohol is deadly.
Apparently so.
And I think the young woman's death could have been avoided
with just a little additional text, ANYTHING telling her what
is normal, or what to watch out for. If she felt like she
was about to pass out, or close to it... GET HELP NOW! There
is no discussion about that... so she died.
If you drink like a dumb-***** you might die.
That's the entire point... she was NOT dumb. She was
doing normal stuff... stuff you see on TV, people passing
out drunk... she thought it was normal, lots of people do,
and SHE DIED.
Not that this is the nature of
the discussion, but marijuana is not able to be overdosed on. There is no
toxic level of marijuana... it has never killed anybody directly. (That I've
been able to read or hear about)
Well, maybe a study is in order... but that won't fix
the immediate issue... people dying from passing out drunk.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Request for people to write or call their congressmen |
19 Sep 2004 10:17:03 AM |
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"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message
news:414D93B9.1654@For-God.net...
Brendan wrote:
"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message
news:414D8621.55A2@For-God.net...
Please, consider writing to your congressmen to ask them
to force alcohol producers to list some nominal max level
that is thought to be safe, put it on the label. My own
choice for text for such a label would say something like:
"Warning: the typical adult male should drink no more than
'X' bottles of this product in 1 hour ('Y' bottles if you
are the normal adult female), or you could die from
alcohol poisoning. If you have drunk enough to pass out,
you are dangerously close to death and should be taken
to a hospital immediately".
Noble enough intentions... but the amount X would change for everybody.
We
all have different metabolisms and our bodies react differently to
alcohol.
Yep, and a small additional text could even list body weights
and how much is safe... if you go over that level, have someone
handy to call an ambulance.
As it is, there is NO information about what's safe or not.
If I buy a bottle of vodka... can I drink all of it in one hour?
???
There's no discussion on the bottle about what's safe and
I can die if I do that...right? I have no idea, but I would
suspect that I could die if I drank an entire bottle of
vodka.
Please find one instance when someone smoked marijuana, and it caused
their
heart to stop... that must be some gooood *****.
Maybe you should do a study?
I think I understand where you're coming from. Fact is, alcohol is
deadly.
Apparently so.
And I think the young woman's death could have been avoided
with just a little additional text, ANYTHING telling her what
is normal, or what to watch out for. If she felt like she
was about to pass out, or close to it... GET HELP NOW! There
is no discussion about that... so she died.
If you drink like a dumb-***** you might die.
That's the entire point... she was NOT dumb. She was
doing normal stuff... stuff you see on TV, people passing
out drunk... she thought it was normal, lots of people do,
and SHE DIED.
Sorry if you don't know that drinking a bottle of vodka in a short period of
time is a bad idea then you are an idiot.
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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| Title: Re: Request for people to write or call their congressmen |
19 Sep 2004 10:32:22 AM |
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kathryn wrote:
Sorry if you don't know that drinking a bottle of vodka in a short period of
time is a bad idea then you are an idiot.
That's the entire point of all this, I DON'T KNOW IT, there's
no text on the LEGAL DRUG bottle saying how much is deadly,
or even how much is normal... how much???
What if I pass out... should I drink until I pass out?
And if I do... will I die?
They don't say... they say "buy this, it's good for you!"
but they don't say:
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>>> HOW MUCH IS OK <<<
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(tire treads added for emphasis)
Anyways, that's the point... she died over some missing
text on the bottles.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Request for people to write or call their congressmen |
19 Sep 2004 12:03:31 PM |
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"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message
news:414DA5ED.2C83@For-God.net...
kathryn wrote:
Sorry if you don't know that drinking a bottle of vodka in a short
period of
time is a bad idea then you are an idiot.
That's the entire point of all this, I DON'T KNOW IT, there's
no text on the LEGAL DRUG bottle saying how much is deadly,
or even how much is normal... how much???
What if I pass out... should I drink until I pass out?
And if I do... will I die?
They don't say... they say "buy this, it's good for you!"
but they don't say:
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HOW MUCH IS OK <<<
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(tire treads added for emphasis)
Anyways, that's the point... she died over some missing
text on the bottles.
Again. if you dont know that drinking a whole bottle of vodka will make you
at least incredibly ill you are an idiot. People who are already too stupid
to know this won't read a label on a bottle telling that.
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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| Title: Re: Request for people to write or call their congressmen |
19 Sep 2004 12:13:50 PM |
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kathryn wrote:
Again. if you dont know that drinking a whole bottle of vodka will make you
at least incredibly ill you are an idiot. People who are already too stupid
to know this won't read a label on a bottle telling that.
Then why do they print recommended amounts on Zinc suppliments?
Zinc has been shown to cause brain damage in large quantities.
Explain to me why Zinc is detailed on the lable, yet alcohol isn't.
I know now that the US congress failed that young woman in not
telling the alcohol producers to define HOW MUCH is OK and HOW MUCH
is deadly... on the lable.
The entire USA... all it's professors, all the universities,
they all failed that young woman.
Every last person... all doctors, we all failed that young woman
in not saying to have the label warn people what is TOO MUCH
and what is a sign of pending doom... their death if they
don't get help IMMEDIATELY... or they'll die... we all let her
down.
But the alcohol producers, they in particular, they're the
most responsible for her dying... they didn't warn her and
they've known about it for years.
All I'm asking, is that we own up to our responsibility and
require that the labels tell people what they obviously need
to know so they don't end up doing what she did... dying...
a few characters on a label... that's all... simple text
she could read while having her drink(s).
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: Request for people to write or call their congressmen |
19 Sep 2004 01:52:25 PM |
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"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message
news:414DBDB3.103C@For-God.net...
kathryn wrote:
Again. if you dont know that drinking a whole bottle of vodka will make
you
at least incredibly ill you are an idiot. People who are already too
stupid
to know this won't read a label on a bottle telling that.
Then why do they print recommended amounts on Zinc suppliments?
Ahhh so you also don't know that taking a whole bottle of zinc is bad for
you? They tell you how many tablets to take, not how many is bad for you,
there is a difference, especially since the amount of zinc in each tablet
can vary per manufacturer..
Did you know that fire burns? Maybe we need to start putting warnings on
matchboxes just in case someone doesn't realise.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: Request for people to write or call their congressmen |
19 Sep 2004 01:49:17 PM |
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"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message
news:414DA5ED.2C83@For-God.net...
kathryn wrote:
Sorry if you don't know that drinking a bottle of vodka in a short period
of
time is a bad idea then you are an idiot.
That's the entire point of all this, I DON'T KNOW IT,
John, you're not a fucking child.
Apparently, you ARE dumb as a rock though.
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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| Title: Re: Request for people to write or call their congressmen |
19 Sep 2004 04:52:36 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message
news:414DA5ED.2C83@For-God.net...
kathryn wrote:
Sorry if you don't know that drinking a bottle of vodka in a short period
of
time is a bad idea then you are an idiot.
That's the entire point of all this, I DON'T KNOW IT,
John, you're not a fucking child.
Apparently, you ARE dumb as a rock though.
So you can't tell me then?
You can't tell me how much vodka can kill me... interesting...
I would have thought that a person claiming to know such, would
actually know it... but apparently, you don't... just like I
don't know it either... and I admit it too... I don't know
how much vodka in one hour would kill me... I've never seen
any listing of that kind of information.
And that's what I'm asking for... is for the producers to put
on the bottles, a lable, for what is normal for a typical person,
male or femail, such that if they drink that amount, that they
won't die... like Sam did. HOW MUCH is that... put it on the
label... that seems important to know... it should be on the
label...
Right?
Is that so much to ask for?
Some puny little bit of information... it seems so little,
so insignificant... yet it could have saved her life. She
might still be alive if that information had been on the label.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Request for people to write or call their congressmen |
20 Sep 2004 10:00:24 AM |
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:52:36 +0000 in episode <414DFF0A.4DC3@For-God.net>
we saw our hero "John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net>:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message
news:414DA5ED.2C83@For-God.net...
kathryn wrote:
Sorry if you don't know that drinking a bottle of vodka in a short
period of
time is a bad idea then you are an idiot.
That's the entire point of all this, I DON'T KNOW IT,
John, you're not a fucking child.
Apparently, you ARE dumb as a rock though.
So you can't tell me then?
You can't tell me how much vodka can kill me... interesting...
Nobody can you dumb *****. It varies with the individual. The issue is
blood alcohol level and the fatal level is different for different people.
Not to mention the amount you have to drink to reach that level, what you
have to drink, how fast you have to drink it... they all vary depending on
all kinds of factors.
The best anybody can do is give an estimate for the amount of alcohol per
hour based on body weight. A single label will *not cover all cases. Nor
could it indicate that "passing out" is not necessarily a warning sign of
alcohol poisoning but only one possible sign. Lots of people pass out but
don't die.
It's just not that simple. But the information *is available and you *can
educate yourself and take precautions. But that requires you actually *do
something instead of sitting around whining about what everybody else
(including "the government") ought to be doing for you...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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| Title: Re: Request for people to write or call their congressmen |
19 Sep 2004 07:33:22 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:52:36 GMT, "John P. Boatwright"
<name@For-God.net> wrote:
snip
You can't tell me how much vodka can kill me...
Let's find out.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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| Title: Re: Request for people to write or call their congressmen |
19 Sep 2004 01:34:35 PM |
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In our last thrilling episode, "John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net>
was pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Sun, 19 Sep 2004 15:32:22
GMT by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
That's the entire point of all this, I DON'T KNOW IT, there's
no text on the LEGAL DRUG bottle saying how much is deadly,
or even how much is normal... how much???
What if I pass out... should I drink until I pass out?
And if I do... will I die?
They don't say... they say "buy this, it's good for you!"
but they don't say:
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>>> HOW MUCH IS OK <<<
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John, you are an idiot if you can't figure out that drinking an entire
bottle of vodka can be dangerous.
As for your label idea, it's crap. Why? Because humans are
different. I'm 6', 155lbs.. but I'm missing my spleen, so alcohol
really waps me hard.
So, a label would have to include information not only for body mass,
but people with liver disorders, missing spleens, various other
medical disorders, etc.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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| Title: Re: Request for people to write or call their congressmen |
19 Sep 2004 01:47:18 PM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
In our last thrilling episode, "John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net>
was pushed over the cliffs of alt.atheism on Sun, 19 Sep 2004 15:32:22
GMT by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
That's the entire point of all this, I DON'T KNOW IT, there's
no text on the LEGAL DRUG bottle saying how much is deadly,
or even how much is normal... how much???
What if I pass out... should I drink until I pass out?
And if I do... will I die?
They don't say... they say "buy this, it's good for you!"
but they don't say:
======================
HOW MUCH IS OK <<<
======================
John, you are an idiot if you can't figure out that drinking an entire
bottle of vodka can be dangerous.
As for your label idea, it's crap. Why? Because humans are
different. I'm 6', 155lbs.. but I'm missing my spleen, so alcohol
really waps me hard.
So, a label would have to include information not only for body mass,
but people with liver disorders, missing spleens, various other
medical disorders, etc.
Well Doug, I didn't say the label had to be for you, I said
for the TYPICAL MALE, and the TYPICAL FEMALE... just those,
no one more... just those.
Give ANY information that gives people ANY kind of feel about
what can kill them. ANYTHING... currently in the USA, there is
NOTHING listed... ANYTHING would be MUCH better than NOTHING.
People can take that "typical" and adjust accordingly to
match themselves in some manner... less body mass, drink less.
More body mass... you can drink more.
She had no information... and she died.
We can fix that... information can help fix it.
No information does NOTHING to fix it.
We can learn an immense amount from Australia, they from
what the one poster said, they've already started labeling
the bottles and already have the ads on TV saying such.
We need to catch up with Australia.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "Jez" |
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19 Sep 2004 11:22:15 AM |
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John P. Boatwright wrote:
kathryn wrote:
Sorry if you don't know that drinking a bottle of vodka in a short period of
time is a bad idea then you are an idiot.
That's the entire point of all this, I DON'T KNOW IT,
How so ? No-one ever mentioned it to you or something ?
Don't you take responsibility for your actions ?
Or do you think Jesus is gonna teach ya ?
there's
no text on the LEGAL DRUG bottle saying how much is deadly,
or even how much is normal... how much???
Well, like with any drug you experiment with...do the research first.
Many a bad-trip has come about because people didn't know what to
expect, and got frightened by the effects.
What if I pass out... should I drink until I pass out?
And if I do... will I die?
Dunno.......try it. Then after you've passed out...do us all a favour,
and drink another bottle...just to make sure.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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19 Sep 2004 11:51:49 AM |
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Jez wrote:
John P. Boatwright wrote:
kathryn wrote:
Sorry if you don't know that drinking a bottle of vodka in a short period of
time is a bad idea then you are an idiot.
That's the entire point of all this, I DON'T KNOW IT,
How so ? No-one ever mentioned it to you or something ?
Don't you take responsibility for your actions ?
Or do you think Jesus is gonna teach ya ?
I'm saying that right now, if you asked me how much of a
bottle of vodka I'd need to drink to be close to death...
I don't know the answer to that... it doesn't say anything
about such on the bottles.
How do you know how much is OK, and how much isn't OK?????
That's what's missing... no one knows.
She died since she didn't know the answer.
there's
no text on the LEGAL DRUG bottle saying how much is deadly,
or even how much is normal... how much???
Well, like with any drug you experiment with...do the research first.
That won't help her... she's dead now... she found out
the WRONG answer... and it's too late for her now because
of it... that missing information ended up killing her.
Many a bad-trip has come about because people didn't know what to
expect, and got frightened by the effects.
And it could all be avoided with just a small amount of
information being put on the bottles... just say how much
is reasonable for a typical male, or typical female... say
HOW MUCH over some given amount of time.
Print it on the bottle... if they'd done that before, that
could have given her enough of a chance to survive.
What if I pass out... should I drink until I pass out?
And if I do... will I die?
Dunno.......try it. Then after you've passed out...do us all a favour,
and drink another bottle...just to make sure.
Ya right.
This is serious stuff guy, an entire nation is lacking,
an entire nation failed one young woman, we didn't tell
her what she needed to know... and she died. She'd be
alive right now, if she'd just known HOW MUCH... WHEN
is it going to be bad news... WHEN should she get help
to go to the hospital.
She didn't know those... and she died.
Let's fix that... that's what I'm asking for, to add some
modest level of text on the labels to tell people what they
need to know, so it's less likely to ever happen again.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "Lisbeth Andersson" |
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20 Sep 2004 05:34:48 AM |
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"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message news:<414DB88A.70FA@For-God.net>...
<...>
And it could all be avoided with just a small amount of
information being put on the bottles... just say how much
is reasonable for a typical male, or typical female... say
HOW MUCH over some given amount of time.
Print it on the bottle... if they'd done that before, that
could have given her enough of a chance to survive.
<...>
No, that information probably wouldn't have helped her. She was
not 20 years old which means that her tolerance for alcohol would
be less than for a fully grown woman. Also she was a homecoming
queen which makes it a safe guess to say that her weight was less
(probably a lot less) than the weight of a typical female which
also makes her tolerance for alcohol less than for the average
female. Any label saying that a safe limit for a female is
"whatever" would have given her (and others) a false sense of
security and caused more young people to drink more than they should.
Lisbeth
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| User: "Jez" |
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19 Sep 2004 12:30:55 PM |
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John P. Boatwright wrote:
Jez wrote:
John P. Boatwright wrote:
kathryn wrote:
Sorry if you don't know that drinking a bottle of vodka in a short period of
time is a bad idea then you are an idiot.
That's the entire point of all this, I DON'T KNOW IT,
How so ? No-one ever mentioned it to you or something ?
Don't you take responsibility for your actions ?
Or do you think Jesus is gonna teach ya ?
I'm saying that right now, if you asked me how much of a
bottle of vodka I'd need to drink to be close to death...
It depends on the individual, everyones metabolism is different.
I don't know the answer to that... it doesn't say anything
about such on the bottles.
Assume responsibility for your actions, and find out the possible effects.
How do you know how much is OK, and how much isn't OK?????
Well, for one I don't drink hard spirits, as I don't like them, but when
I have drunk them, it's pretty easy to tell when to stop. A pile of
vomit down your shirt tends to be a good signal.
That's what's missing... no one knows.
She died since she didn't know the answer.
there's
no text on the LEGAL DRUG bottle saying how much is deadly,
or even how much is normal... how much???
Well, like with any drug you experiment with...do the research first.
That won't help her... she's dead now... she found out
the WRONG answer... and it's too late for her now because
of it... that missing information ended up killing her.
No, her lack of responsibility for her own actions is what killed her.
If she was a four year old, I would have more sympathy, but for a grown
woman...come on !
Many a bad-trip has come about because people didn't know what to
expect, and got frightened by the effects.
And it could all be avoided with just a small amount of
information being put on the bottles... just say how much
is reasonable for a typical male, or typical female... say
HOW MUCH over some given amount of time.
WTF is it with you people.......how many times do I have to point it
out...it's called taking responsibility for your actions. The onus is on
her to check these things out BEFORE starting drinking....common bloody
sense man !
Print it on the bottle... if they'd done that before, that
could have given her enough of a chance to survive.
What if I pass out... should I drink until I pass out?
And if I do... will I die?
Dunno.......try it. Then after you've passed out...do us all a favour,
and drink another bottle...just to make sure.
Ya right.
This is serious stuff guy, an entire nation is lacking,
an entire nation failed one young woman, we didn't tell
her what she needed to know... and she died. She'd be
alive right now, if she'd just known HOW MUCH... WHEN
is it going to be bad news... WHEN should she get help
to go to the hospital.
FFS ! What you want the world to bloody spoon-feed you...grow up and
accept responsibility !
She didn't know those... and she died.
Well, here in the UK alcohol is only allowed to be sold to persons over
18 years old.
It is assumed that by 18 people have some sense of responsibility.
Obviously that girl had no sense of responsibility.
Let's fix that... that's what I'm asking for, to add some
modest level of text on the labels to tell people what they
need to know, so it's less likely to ever happen again.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
There is no 'God'.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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19 Sep 2004 01:57:31 PM |
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Jez wrote:
John P. Boatwright wrote:
Jez wrote:
John P. Boatwright wrote:
kathryn wrote:
Sorry if you don't know that drinking a bottle of vodka in a short period of
time is a bad idea then you are an idiot.
That's the entire point of all this, I DON'T KNOW IT,
How so ? No-one ever mentioned it to you or something ?
Don't you take responsibility for your actions ?
Or do you think Jesus is gonna teach ya ?
I'm saying that right now, if you asked me how much of a
bottle of vodka I'd need to drink to be close to death...
It depends on the individual, everyones metabolism is different.
I don't know the answer to that... it doesn't say anything
about such on the bottles.
Assume responsibility for your actions, and find out the possible effects.
How do you know how much is OK, and how much isn't OK?????
Well, for one I don't drink hard spirits, as I don't like them, but when
I have drunk them, it's pretty easy to tell when to stop. A pile of
vomit down your shirt tends to be a good signal.
That's what's missing... no one knows.
She died since she didn't know the answer.
there's
no text on the LEGAL DRUG bottle saying how much is deadly,
or even how much is normal... how much???
Well, like with any drug you experiment with...do the research first.
That won't help her... she's dead now... she found out
the WRONG answer... and it's too late for her now because
of it... that missing information ended up killing her.
No, her lack of responsibility for her own actions is what killed her.
If she was a four year old, I would have more sympathy, but for a grown
woman...come on !
Many a bad-trip has come about because people didn't know what to
expect, and got frightened by the effects.
And it could all be avoided with just a small amount of
information being put on the bottles... just say how much
is reasonable for a typical male, or typical female... say
HOW MUCH over some given amount of time.
WTF is it with you people.......how many times do I have to point it
out...it's called taking responsibility for your actions. The onus is on
her to check these things out BEFORE starting drinking....common bloody
sense man !
Where do you find the information?
Australia?
Where?
Print it on the bottle... if they'd done that before, that
could have given her enough of a chance to survive.
What if I pass out... should I drink until I pass out?
And if I do... will I die?
Dunno.......try it. Then after you've passed out...do us all a favour,
and drink another bottle...just to make sure.
Ya right.
This is serious stuff guy, an entire nation is lacking,
an entire nation failed one young woman, we didn't tell
her what she needed to know... and she died. She'd be
alive right now, if she'd just known HOW MUCH... WHEN
is it going to be bad news... WHEN should she get help
to go to the hospital.
FFS ! What you want the world to bloody spoon-feed you...grow up and
accept responsibility !
I want to know, up front, tell me.
How much vodka should I be able to drink without dying?
I'm the typical adult male... tell me.
And since you can tell me... print it on the bottle
so others can know as well.
She didn't know those... and she died.
Well, here in the UK alcohol is only allowed to be sold to persons over
18 years old.
It is assumed that by 18 people have some sense of responsibility.
Obviously that girl had no sense of responsibility.
She was in college, she was over 18, she didn't know,
and she died.
That's a heavy price to pay, and it's SO AVOIDABLE.
SO AVOIDABLE.
Just tell people... tell them what they need to know.
Say how much vodka they can drink before they'll die.
Say it on the lable.
Put the values for the typical male and typical female,
put their values on the lable... tell people at least
what the typical person can withstand without dying.
Give people a fighting chance to survive... with some
puny little text string on a lable... that's all I'm
asking for.
Do it for Sam, the memory of Sam... do it for her.
Let's fix that... that's what I'm asking for, to add some
modest level of text on the labels to tell people what they
need to know, so it's less likely to ever happen again.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
There is no 'God'.
You wish.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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19 Sep 2004 02:13:13 PM |
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"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in
news:414DD61C.625A@For-God.net:
If God cared for her, he would have saved her. He didn't care, he
couldn't, or he isn't there.
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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20 Sep 2004 12:29:02 AM |
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Enkidu wrote:
"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in
news:414DD61C.625A@For-God.net:
If God cared for her, he would have saved her. He didn't care, he
couldn't, or he isn't there.
God gives the breath of life, and God takes it away.
Between those two times, people either help each other,
or they don't... and that's what God will be judging,
what did the people do between those two times.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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20 Sep 2004 10:01:27 AM |
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 05:29:02 +0000 in episode <414E6A21.D2@For-God.net> we
saw our hero "John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net>:
Enkidu wrote:
"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in
news:414DD61C.625A@For-God.net:
If God cared for her, he would have saved her. He didn't care, he
couldn't, or he isn't there.
God gives the breath of life, and God takes it away.
Then what are you bitching about?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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20 Sep 2004 10:26:30 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:u_ydna9Th6tbbdPcRVn-gw@megapath.net...
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 05:29:02 +0000 in episode <414E6A21.D2@For-God.net> we
saw our hero "John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net>:
Enkidu wrote:
"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in
news:414DD61C.625A@For-God.net:
If God cared for her, he would have saved her. He didn't care, he
couldn't, or he isn't there.
God gives the breath of life, and God takes it away.
Then what are you bitching about?
Yeah, I mean obviously Boaty's god intended the poor homecoming queen to die
from alcohol poisoning all along :P
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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20 Sep 2004 01:41:44 PM |
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:26:30 -0400 in episode
<2r8b54F17fbedU1@uni-berlin.de> we saw our hero "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com>:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:u_ydna9Th6tbbdPcRVn-gw@megapath.net...
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 05:29:02 +0000 in episode <414E6A21.D2@For-God.net>
we saw our hero "John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net>:
Enkidu wrote:
"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in
news:414DD61C.625A@For-God.net:
If God cared for her, he would have saved her. He didn't care, he
couldn't, or he isn't there.
God gives the breath of life, and God takes it away.
Then what are you bitching about?
Yeah, I mean obviously Boaty's god intended the poor homecoming queen to
die from alcohol poisoning all along :P
Hm... doesn't the bible babble about "vessels prepared for destruction?"
Ah yes, it's in Romans...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Jez" |
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26 Sep 2004 10:05:17 AM |
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John P. Boatwright wrote:
Jez wrote:
John P. Boatwright wrote:
Jez wrote:
John P. Boatwright wrote:
kathryn wrote:
Sorry if you don't know that drinking a bottle of vodka in a short period of
time is a bad idea then you are an idiot.
That's the entire point of all this, I DON'T KNOW IT,
How so ? No-one ever mentioned it to you or something ?
Don't you take responsibility for your actions ?
Or do you think Jesus is gonna teach ya ?
I'm saying that right now, if you asked me how much of a
bottle of vodka I'd need to drink to be close to death...
It depends on the individual, everyones metabolism is different.
I don't know the answer to that... it doesn't say anything
about such on the bottles.
Assume responsibility for your actions, and find out the possible effects.
How do you know how much is OK, and how much isn't OK?????
Well, for one I don't drink hard spirits, as I don't like them, but when
I have drunk them, it's pretty easy to tell when to stop. A pile of
vomit down your shirt tends to be a good signal.
That's what's missing... no one knows.
She died since she didn't know the answer.
there's
no text on the LEGAL DRUG bottle saying how much is deadly,
or even how much is normal... how much???
Well, like with any drug you experiment with...do the research first.
That won't help her... she's dead now... she found out
the WRONG answer... and it's too late for her now because
of it... that missing information ended up killing her.
No, her lack of responsibility for her own actions is what killed her.
If she was a four year old, I would have more sympathy, but for a grown
woman...come on !
Many a bad-trip has come about because people didn't know what to
expect, and got frightened by the effects.
And it could all be avoided with just a small amount of
information being put on the bottles... just say how much
is reasonable for a typical male, or typical female... say
HOW MUCH over some given amount of time.
WTF is it with you people.......how many times do I have to point it
out...it's called taking responsibility for your actions. The onus is on
her to check these things out BEFORE starting drinking....common bloody
sense man !
Where do you find the information?
Australia?
Where?
Nearest library I would have thought.
Print it on the bottle... if they'd done that before, that
could have given her enough of a chance to survive.
What if I pass out... should I drink until I pass out?
And if I do... will I die?
Dunno.......try it. Then after you've passed out...do us all a favour,
and drink another bottle...just to make sure.
Ya right.
This is serious stuff guy, an entire nation is lacking,
an entire nation failed one young woman, we didn't tell
her what she needed to know... and she died. She'd be
alive right now, if she'd just known HOW MUCH... WHEN
is it going to be bad news... WHEN should she get help
to go to the hospital.
FFS ! What you want the world to bloody spoon-feed you...grow up and
accept responsibility !
I want to know, up front, tell me.
Then go and find out you gutless *****. Why should we do your research
for you ?
Take responsibility for your actions.
Jesus won't help you...he's been dead 2,000 years.
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
Skype callto://hellward
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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19 Sep 2004 11:02:15 AM |
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 15:32:22 +0000 in episode <414DA5ED.2C83@For-God.net>
we saw our hero "John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net>:
That's the entire point of all this, I DON'T KNOW IT
But that's because you're STUPID okay?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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19 Sep 2004 11:20:52 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 15:32:22 +0000 in episode <414DA5ED.2C83@For-God.net>
we saw our hero "John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net>:
That's the entire point of all this, I DON'T KNOW IT
But that's because you're STUPID okay?
And would I be stupid if I didn't know that taking too many
zinc suppliments can cause brain damage?
???
They proved that... to much zinc causes brain damage.
So if I didn't know that, and just ate an entire bottle of
zinc suppliments... got brain damage... would I be stupid
to have done that, if they didn't list the recommended daily
requirements of zinc on the bottle... just left it blank
and let people take whatever they wanted of it?
???
That's what they've been doing with alcohol... they've left
people to figure it out for themselves... and it's wrong
to do that.
Very wrong.
That young woman would more than likely have been alive today
if they'd told her on the labels, what is normal, and what
isn't... what is deadly... what to watch out for... to NOT
pass out, or if getting close to that, GET HELP, NOW!
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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19 Sep 2004 01:50:16 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:20:52 +0000 in episode <414DB166.2AC3@For-God.net>
we saw our hero "John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net>:
That's what they've been doing with alcohol... they've left people to
figure it out for themselves...
Liar.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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