James Riske <james_riske@mail15_dot_com> wrote:

RobertVB wrote:

James Riske <jjames_riske@mail15_dot_com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:

James Riske <james_riske@mail15_dot_com> spewed:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:

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[Homosexuality] is a chosen behavior lifestyle...

Nope. They are BORN with their orientation, just as
heterosexuals are.

Cite proof that anyone is born [homosexual]. Be sure to
include verifiable scientific source links.

No need. Because whether or not a person was born
homosexual or not is NO bigger a deal than whrther a stamp
collector was *born* with the inclination to collect stamps,
or *acquired* it. A person's sexual orientation is JUST as
TRIVIAL as whether or not he happens to collect stamps is.

Only a completely **mindless** LOSER would waste any
time or effort being the LEAST bit concerned about it. And
we straight egalitarians don't care a whit about that, either.
The only reason we're involved in this at all is to louse up
the efforts of moronic bigots from imposing POINTLESS
hardship upon others for NO good reason.

(I **love** "debating" bigots. It's like a duel in which,
at 60 paces, they're armed with cream puffs and the
egalitarians have howitzers.)

The best 'proof' is the many twin studies that have
shown that for male homosexual orientation that show
that monozygotic twins have 2-3 times the rate of sexual
orientation concordance than dizygotic twins.

52% of monzygotic co-twins of gay men were themselves
gay, while only 22 percent of the dizygotic male co-twins
were gay.

J.M. Bailey and R.C. Pillard, "A genetic styudy of male sexual
orientation," Archives of General Psychiatry 48:1089-1096

65% of monzygotic co-twins of gay men were themselves
gay, while only 29 percent of the dizygotic male co-twins
were gay.

F.L Whitam, M. Diamond, and J. Martin, "Homosexual orienta-
tion in twins: a report on 61 pairs and 3 triplet sets," Archives
of Sexual Behavior 22:187-206

Australian twin study - only population study possible due
to the Australian national twin registry. Using very strict
concordance standards they found 20% for monozygotic male
twins and 0% for dizygotic twins.

J.M. Bailey and N.G. Martin "A twin registry study of sexual
orientation" presentation at the International Academy of Sex
Research, 21st Annual Meeting, Provincetown, Massachu-
setts 1995

There are more studies but they all show the same results --
monozygotic twins are far more likely to both be gay than
dizygotic twins, empirically demonstrating a genetic component.

So there is definitely something genetic about homosexuality,
and yes you could say that some of these guys were "born gay"
and that doesn't even get in to all the other studies that show
there are gestational conditions that favor the expression of
one adult sexual orientation over another.

Why am I not surprised to see another ***** come up short
on proving that anyone is born gay.

Hey I can't prove the world is round to someone who wants
to believe otherwise.