Religions > Bible > Same-sex marriage here to stay - Neocons LOSE big time!
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Same-sex marriage here to stay - Neocons LOSE big time! |
http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/11/112904supremeMarr.htm
Supreme Court Rejects Gay Marriage Case
(Washington) The US Supreme Court Monday declined to hear a challenge to
the Massachusetts court ruling that opened the door to same-sex marriage.
The decision effectively sidesteps the gay marriage issue. The justices,
as is the tradition of the court, did not give a reason for declining to
hear the case.
The court had been asked by conservative groups to overturn the year-old
decision by the Massachusetts Supreme Court legalizing gay marriage.
The Florida-based Liberty Counsel said in its brief to the court that the
US Constitution should "protect the citizens of Massachusetts from their
own state supreme court's usurpation of power."
The suit was filed on behalf of Robert Largess, the vice president of the
Catholic Action League, and 11 state lawmakers.
In a brief filed by the city of Boston in opposition to Liberty Counsel
attorney Merita Hopkins argued that Liberty Counsel had not shown they
suffered an injury and could not bring a challenge to the Supreme Court.
Massachusetts Attorney General Tom Reilly told justices that voters can
overrule the Supreme Court by adopting a constitutional amendment.
It was the second setback for Liberty Counsel which had earlier asked to
court to block the the state from beginning gay marriages. In May the
group asked the court to intervene and block clerks from issuing marriage
licenses to gay couples in Massachusetts.(story)
Liberty Counsel is involved in a number of challenges in other states to
laws granting rights to same-sex couples.
After the Supreme Court decided in May not to become involved in the gay
marriage issue some 3,000 same-sex couples have wed in Massachusetts.
Lambda Legal said it was not surprised by today's decision not to take up
the case.
"This was a weak and misguided legal effort from right-wing antigay groups
that never really stood much chance of being heard at the Supreme Court,"
David Buckel, Lambda Legal Marriage Project Director said.
Today's decision does not end the gay marriage issue for the high court.
Legal challenges to bans on same-sex marriage are underway in a number of
states and it is considered likely that the Supreme Court will ultimately
wrap the case together.
A weekend poll shows that most Americans still disapprove of same-sex
marriage. The Associated Press survey found that by a margin of 61
percent to 35 percent, people thought marriage should be restricted to a
man and a woman. However, young adults between 18 and 29 were about evenly
split.
Recent polls have indicated people are about evenly divided on the
question of civil unions, which would provide many of the same legal
protections as gay marriage.
"It's a welcome action but not unexpected because the Goodrich
[Massachusetts marriage] decision was based 100 percent on the
Massachusetts state constitution not the US Constitution. Therefore it
would have been inappropriate and a violation of federalism for the US
Supreme court to have gotten involved," Matt Foreman, the executive
director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force told 365Gay.com.
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Funny Lurlean quote #2:
"I've seen Shakespeare in heaven. He prefers the company of Southerners on
account of we speak the same language."
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| User: "Hypatia Kosh" |
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30 Nov 2004 02:26:15 PM |
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Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.11.30.13.28.36.803808@postini.spamcon.org>...
http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/11/112904supremeMarr.htm
Supreme Court Rejects Gay Marriage Case
(Washington) The US Supreme Court Monday declined to hear a challenge to
the Massachusetts court ruling that opened the door to same-sex marriage.
The Florida-based Liberty Counsel
*****, Florida.
said in its brief to the court that the
US Constitution should "protect the citizens of Massachusetts from their
own state supreme court's usurpation of power."
Imagine if Virginia had sent a petition to the US Supreme Court when
the Mass SJC outlawed slavery in Massachusetts in 1793. Jeezus Christ.
Earth to nutters: Massachusetts does not need to be protected from
itself. We like things the way they are here just fine.
The suit was filed on behalf of Robert Largess, the vice president of the
Catholic Action League, and 11 state lawmakers.
Catholic Action League = buffoons. I've met some of them.
They should stick to pregnancy intervention. C'mon, there are still
pregnant Catholic girls to counsel. How could gay marriage be more
important than that?
In a brief filed by the city of Boston in opposition to Liberty Counsel
attorney Merita Hopkins argued that Liberty Counsel had not shown they
suffered an injury and could not bring a challenge to the Supreme Court.
Woo! City of Boston! Menino rocks!
Massachusetts Attorney General Tom Reilly told justices that voters can
overrule the Supreme Court by adopting a constitutional amendment.
True ... but hopefully it won't come to that.
Nobody in this state gives a ***** ... I just hope they care enough not
to vote for this stupid amendment.
Liberty Counsel is involved in a number of challenges in other states to
laws granting rights to same-sex couples.
The article misspelled "Anti-Liberty Counsel."
After the Supreme Court decided in May not to become involved in the gay
marriage issue some 3,000 same-sex couples have wed in Massachusetts.
And the sky has fallen on our heads. No, it hasn't.
Lambda Legal
Rah rah Mary Bonuato!
"It's a welcome action but not unexpected because the Goodrich
[Massachusetts marriage] decision was based 100 percent on the
Massachusetts state constitution not the US Constitution. Therefore it
would have been inappropriate and a violation of federalism for the US
Supreme court to have gotten involved," Matt Foreman, the executive
director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force told 365Gay.com.
Now, if only the Feds could keep their paws out of physician-assisted
suicide and medical marijuana laws passed by certain states ...
What part of "reserved to the States" don't these idiots understand?
-Hypatia
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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30 Nov 2004 03:44:13 PM |
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"Hypatia Kosh" <Phillips.66.berliv2@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
What part of "reserved to the States" don't these idiots understand?
Oh, they believe in 'states rights!' Well, unless somebody tells them that
their imaginary diety doesn't like it, that is.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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30 Nov 2004 06:48:00 PM |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:44:13 -0800, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, "Dennis Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org>
pontificated:
"Hypatia Kosh" <Phillips.66.berliv2@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
news:1048bc8e.0411301226.3e60eea3@posting.google.com...
[snip]
What part of "reserved to the States" don't these idiots understand?
Oh, they believe in 'states rights!' Well, unless somebody tells them that
their imaginary diety doesn't like it, that is.
What part of "it must go to a federal level" don't you
understand? The federal government can step in, in
matters of the nation and when one state recognizes a
marriage, which is one of the primary institutions in
this country (and others) and crossing the state line
means you're not married anymore, then the federal
government must step in and make a federal law.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "Guy Smiley" |
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30 Nov 2004 07:38:24 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:035qq0956i63u385cr8901806fjtm2b3b8@4ax.com...
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:44:13 -0800, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, "Dennis Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org>
pontificated:
"Hypatia Kosh" <Phillips.66.berliv2@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
news:1048bc8e.0411301226.3e60eea3@posting.google.com...
[snip]
What part of "reserved to the States" don't these idiots understand?
Oh, they believe in 'states rights!' Well, unless somebody tells them
that
their imaginary diety doesn't like it, that is.
What part of "it must go to a federal level" don't you
understand? The federal government can step in, in
matters of the nation and when one state recognizes a
marriage, which is one of the primary institutions in
this country (and others) and crossing the state line
means you're not married anymore, then the federal
government must step in and make a federal law.
You suggest that the federal goverment should step in. That's funny. I
thought I heard on the radio today that the federal government was actually
asked to step in by means of a Supreme Court ruling. The Supreme Court
**REFUSED** to hear a complaint by homophobe Xian bigots who tried to claim
that citizens of Massachusettes were somehow being harmed by the pro-gay
marriage ruling.
Why, you ask? Because the plaintiff's **FAILED** to show how they had been
**INJURED**!
Think, Dave, THINK!!
No injury, no case! Period!
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "Hypatia Kosh" |
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01 Dec 2004 12:51:37 PM |
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"Guy Smiley" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message news:<kg9rd.26337$Rf1.15351@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>...
"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:035qq0956i63u385cr8901806fjtm2b3b8@4ax.com...
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:44:13 -0800, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, "Dennis Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org>
pontificated:
"Hypatia Kosh" <Phillips.66.berliv2@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
news:1048bc8e.0411301226.3e60eea3@posting.google.com...
[snip]
What part of "reserved to the States" don't these idiots understand?
Oh, they believe in 'states rights!' Well, unless somebody tells them
that
their imaginary diety doesn't like it, that is.
What part of "it must go to a federal level" don't you
understand? The federal government can step in, in
matters of the nation and when one state recognizes a
marriage, which is one of the primary institutions in
this country (and others) and crossing the state line
means you're not married anymore, then the federal
government must step in and make a federal law.
You suggest that the federal goverment should step in. That's funny. I
thought I heard on the radio today that the federal government was actually
asked to step in by means of a Supreme Court ruling. The Supreme Court
**REFUSED** to hear a complaint by homophobe Xian bigots who tried to claim
that citizens of Massachusettes were somehow being harmed by the pro-gay
marriage ruling.
Why, you ask? Because the plaintiff's **FAILED** to show how they had been
**INJURED**!
Think, Dave, THINK!!
Think? Dave doesn't do "think."
No injury, no case! Period!
No *****. :)
-Hy
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| User: "Zeke Krahlin" |
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01 Dec 2004 02:04:35 AM |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:49:09 GMT, Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote:
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Is it really pencil-thin? Ewwwww!
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Lavender-Velvet Revolution
http://www.gay-bible.org
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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30 Nov 2004 07:15:01 PM |
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On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 00:48:00 +0000, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<035qq0956i63u385cr8901806fjtm2b3b8@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:44:13 -0800, while scaling the Mt. Everest,
"Dennis Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org> pontificated:
"Hypatia Kosh" <Phillips.66.berliv2@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
news:1048bc8e.0411301226.3e60eea3@posting.google.com...
[snip]
What part of "reserved to the States" don't these idiots understand?
Oh, they believe in 'states rights!' Well, unless somebody tells them
that their imaginary diety doesn't like it, that is.
What part of "it must go to a federal level" don't you understand? The
federal government can step in, in matters of the nation and when one
state recognizes a marriage, which is one of the primary institutions in
this country (and others) and crossing the state line means you're not
married anymore, then the federal government must step in and make a
federal law.
Exactly. Which means the federal government must recognize same-sex
marriages.
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If you're going to be in ze Los Angeles area und would like tickets to Hitler
call 213-DU WERDEST EINE KRANKENSCHWESTER BRAUCHEN!
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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30 Nov 2004 07:47:26 PM |
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"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.12.01.01.17.12.267018@postini.spamcon.org...
On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 00:48:00 +0000, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<035qq0956i63u385cr8901806fjtm2b3b8@4ax.com>:
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:44:13 -0800, while scaling the Mt. Everest,
"Dennis Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org> pontificated:
"Hypatia Kosh" <Phillips.66.berliv2@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
news:1048bc8e.0411301226.3e60eea3@posting.google.com...
[snip]
What part of "reserved to the States" don't these idiots understand?
Oh, they believe in 'states rights!' Well, unless somebody tells them
that their imaginary diety doesn't like it, that is.
What part of "it must go to a federal level" don't you understand? The
federal government can step in, in matters of the nation and when one
state recognizes a marriage, which is one of the primary institutions in
this country (and others) and crossing the state line means you're not
married anymore, then the federal government must step in and make a
federal law.
Exactly. Which means the federal government must recognize same-sex
marriages.
Besides, that's not what the proposed case was about. The religionist kooks
in Massachusetts were not challenging full faith and credit, they were
trying to use 'irreparable harm' to get the USSC to overturn the
Massachusetts state Supreme Court decision.
Until a legally married couple from Massachusetts moves to one of the states
where same-sex marriage is banned, the USSC has no reason to get involved.
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| User: "jwk" |
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01 Dec 2004 11:42:21 AM |
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Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<035qq0956i63u385cr8901806fjtm2b3b8@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:44:13 -0800, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, "Dennis Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org>
pontificated:
"Hypatia Kosh" <Phillips.66.berliv2@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
news:1048bc8e.0411301226.3e60eea3@posting.google.com...
[snip]
What part of "reserved to the States" don't these idiots understand?
Oh, they believe in 'states rights!' Well, unless somebody tells them that
their imaginary diety doesn't like it, that is.
What part of "it must go to a federal level" don't you
understand? The federal government can step in, in
matters of the nation and when one state recognizes a
marriage, which is one of the primary institutions in
this country (and others) and crossing the state line
means you're not married anymore, then the federal
government must step in and make a federal law.
Except when the issue goes the other way around. Then you hear the
"right" screaming about "states rights". You punks can't have it both
ways Dave.
jwk
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| User: "Hypatia Kosh" |
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01 Dec 2004 12:50:02 PM |
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Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<035qq0956i63u385cr8901806fjtm2b3b8@4ax.com>...
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:44:13 -0800, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, "Dennis Kemmerer" <dk@suespammers.org>
pontificated:
"Hypatia Kosh" <Phillips.66.berliv2@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
news:1048bc8e.0411301226.3e60eea3@posting.google.com...
[snip]
What part of "reserved to the States" don't these idiots understand?
Oh, they believe in 'states rights!' Well, unless somebody tells them that
their imaginary diety doesn't like it, that is.
What part of "it must go to a federal level" don't you
understand? The federal government can step in, in
matters of the nation and when one state recognizes a
marriage, which is one of the primary institutions in
this country (and others) and crossing the state line
means you're not married anymore, then the federal
government must step in and make a federal law.
They don't have to make a federal law. The "full faith and credit
clause" already accounts for this possibility.
Different states already have different contract laws and different
marriage laws. That's why you see language in limited warranties
stating that you may have more rights in your state than are granted
by the warranty.
According to the constitution, you can't get out of a contract by
moving to another state. All states must recognize contracts made in
other states (although they may administer them differently). That's
why people used to go to Reno for 6 weeks to get divorced--and that
divorce was still good in the other 49. (48 or 47 at one point :)
Another example: your driver's license is good in all 50 states. But
(another case of administering differently), even a valid driver's
license from another state doesn't give you the right to drive in New
York if you're under 18. (Though in this case, some might argue that
this does violate "full faith and credit". IANAL, so there may be much
more to this than I know.)
-Hypatia
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30 Nov 2004 06:53:05 PM |
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In our last episode <1048bc8e.0411301226.3e60eea3@posting.google.com>,
Hypatia Kosh lept out of the bushes shouting:
What part of "reserved to the States" don't these idiots understand?
The part with words.
Hey, isn't it true Massachusetts has one of--if not *the--lowest divorce
rates in the country?
Wouldn't that imply if you want to protect marriage, you *should legalize
gay marriage?
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
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30 Nov 2004 09:21:26 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:nPGdnR9jXZnEiDDcRVn-hQ@megapath.net...
In our last episode <1048bc8e.0411301226.3e60eea3@posting.google.com>,
Hypatia Kosh lept out of the bushes shouting:
What part of "reserved to the States" don't these idiots understand?
The part with words.
Hey, isn't it true Massachusetts has one of--if not *the--lowest divorce
rates in the country?
Wouldn't that imply if you want to protect marriage, you *should legalize
gay marriage?
What boggles my mind is that these morons that wants to make gay marriage
illegal don't realize what a boon it would be to the economy. Think of all
the money rolling in from wedding planners, florists, caterers, wedding
halls, etc. Shoot, if I recall correctly, the marriage license wasn't free
either.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Hypatia Kosh" |
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01 Dec 2004 01:05:30 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message news:<314rliF33a5ueU2@individual.net>...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:nPGdnR9jXZnEiDDcRVn-hQ@megapath.net...
In our last episode <1048bc8e.0411301226.3e60eea3@posting.google.com>,
Hypatia Kosh lept out of the bushes shouting:
What part of "reserved to the States" don't these idiots understand?
The part with words.
Hey, isn't it true Massachusetts has one of--if not *the--lowest divorce
rates in the country?
Wouldn't that imply if you want to protect marriage, you *should legalize
gay marriage?
What boggles my mind is that these morons that wants to make gay marriage
illegal don't realize what a boon it would be to the economy. Think of all
the money rolling in from wedding planners, florists, caterers, wedding
halls, etc. Shoot, if I recall correctly, the marriage license wasn't free
either.
Nope, and that's why some of the most economically depressed towns in
the Commonwealth (who tend to be fairly conservative--for MA) were
issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples in defiance of the
Governor for a while--there's no incentive like $$$.
I heard that there were 3,000 same-sex marriages since the ruling went
into effect. That's over about 8 months, although it won't be so high
next year because of pent-up demand. It will probably be much lower.
Still, gays tend to marry later and have less dependents, which means
spending more on a wedding, which already rings in at an average cost
of $20,000 (several sources). If there are 800 gay unions a year at
$30,000 each, that's $24 million dollars in spending. If 1/4 of that
is out-of-state, that's $6 mill in "free money" to which you can add
OTHER tourism expenses since everyone is traveling -- let's say that's
really $8 mill. $8 million net into the Mass economy (mostly stolen
from Vermont, no doubt ... which they probably can't afford to lose,
poor dears). Nice.
I wonder how much money VA is losing between active boycotts and the
complete ineffectiveness of their tourism advertising budget these
days. (Their slogan is "Virginia is for Lovers" but everybody knows
that's not true. However pretty the state is, their people seem pretty
ugly, making it seem like a rather unappealing place to visit.) Of
course, where VA really stands to lose is in small businesses avoiding
the place because of the confusing and fucked up state of contract law
in VA since the "anti-gay-marriage" bill.
-Hy
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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30 Nov 2004 10:10:56 PM |
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In our last episode <314rliF33a5ueU2@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:nPGdnR9jXZnEiDDcRVn-hQ@megapath.net...
In our last episode <1048bc8e.0411301226.3e60eea3@posting.google.com>,
Hypatia Kosh lept out of the bushes shouting:
What part of "reserved to the States" don't these idiots understand?
The part with words.
Hey, isn't it true Massachusetts has one of--if not *the--lowest divorce
rates in the country?
Wouldn't that imply if you want to protect marriage, you *should
legalize gay marriage?
What boggles my mind is that these morons that wants to make gay marriage
illegal don't realize what a boon it would be to the economy. Think of
all the money rolling in from wedding planners, florists, caterers,
wedding halls, etc. Shoot, if I recall correctly, the marriage license
wasn't free either.
Actually, given the numbers, it wouldn't be *anything. We're talking a
minority. It's not like there are bazzillions lined up just waiting to be
married. I mean, what's that sound you hear coming out of Massachusetts?
Nothing? Silence?
In the long run, the bigots are going to be seriously hurt by the fact
that gay marriage *actually *exists and *right *now in the US. And the
effect is...
....um... how many ways can you say "nothing?"
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
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01 Dec 2004 01:10:30 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message news:<lo2dnYmJSdYq3jDcRVn-3w@megapath.net>...
In our last episode <314rliF33a5ueU2@individual.net>, Robibnikoff lept out
of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:nPGdnR9jXZnEiDDcRVn-hQ@megapath.net...
In our last episode <1048bc8e.0411301226.3e60eea3@posting.google.com>,
Hypatia Kosh lept out of the bushes shouting:
What part of "reserved to the States" don't these idiots understand?
The part with words.
Hey, isn't it true Massachusetts has one of--if not *the--lowest divorce
rates in the country?
Wouldn't that imply if you want to protect marriage, you *should
legalize gay marriage?
What boggles my mind is that these morons that wants to make gay marriage
illegal don't realize what a boon it would be to the economy. Think of
all the money rolling in from wedding planners, florists, caterers,
wedding halls, etc. Shoot, if I recall correctly, the marriage license
wasn't free either.
Actually, given the numbers, it wouldn't be *anything. We're talking a
minority.
A very tiny minority. Still, it's a little extra change (especially
for some of the more cash-strapped towns). Vermont probably got more
benefit out of civil unions in dollar terms because it's considered a
prime place for a vacation but is more out of the way (so it provided
an incentive) and their population, and therefore tax base, is much,
much smaller than Massachusetts.
I mean, what's that sound you hear coming out of Massachusetts?
Nothing? Silence?
Aside from a few remaining whiners ... yeah, pretty much nothing. The
whiners are screaming because nobody hears them.
In the long run, the bigots are going to be seriously hurt by the fact
that gay marriage *actually *exists and *right *now in the US. And the
effect is...
...um... how many ways can you say "nothing?"
Ditto for DP benefits, which many F500 companies offer these days.
Benefit to gays: huge. Negative to everyone else: almost zilch. (A
little chump change for companies, but many of them justify it as
another way to attract the best workers. Many more glbt people see DP
benefits as a plus when looking at a company than actually file for
them.)
-Hy
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01 Dec 2004 03:46:42 PM |
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"Hypatia Kosh" <Phillips.66.berliv2@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
news:1048bc8e.0412011110.d40b4d9@posting.google.com...
[snip]
Ditto for DP benefits, which many F500 companies offer these days.
Benefit to gays: huge. Negative to everyone else: almost zilch. (A
little chump change for companies, but many of them justify it as
another way to attract the best workers. Many more glbt people see DP
benefits as a plus when looking at a company than actually file for
them.)
I worked for a very progressive high-tech company in the early '90s that was
one of the first in the U.S. to offer domestic partner benefits. In response
to whining from a few religious titty-wringers, they monitored the cost of
providing those benefits and found that it was consistently a fraction of 1%
of the total employee benefits expense.
The whiners didn't like it, but since the company was pretty conscientious
about enforcing its non-discrimination policies, the whiners pretty much
just STFU and did their teeth-gnashing someplace else.
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| User: "Hypatia Kosh" |
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| Title: Re: Same-sex marriage here to stay - Neocons LOSE big time! |
01 Dec 2004 12:55:45 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message news:<nPGdnR9jXZnEiDDcRVn-hQ@megapath.net>...
In our last episode <1048bc8e.0411301226.3e60eea3@posting.google.com>,
Hypatia Kosh lept out of the bushes shouting:
What part of "reserved to the States" don't these idiots understand?
The part with words.
Hey, isn't it true Massachusetts has one of--if not *the--lowest divorce
rates in the country?
Last I heard, the lowest. Divorce rates among New England states are
generally low.
Wouldn't that imply if you want to protect marriage, you *should legalize
gay marriage?
In all truth, many factors go into the low divorce rate, and it may be
those factors which in part led to gay marriage, rather than the other
way around. Correlation is not causation.
On the other hand, I love bringing this statistic up to the "family
values" crowd because those yahoos actually DO believe that
correlation is causation--and the marriage and divorce correlations
with their brand of religion are pretty damn embarrassing!
-Hypatia
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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01 Dec 2004 03:08:20 PM |
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In our last episode <1048bc8e.0412011055.3ac94bd@posting.google.com>,
Hypatia Kosh lept out of the bushes shouting:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:<nPGdnR9jXZnEiDDcRVn-hQ@megapath.net>...
In our last episode <1048bc8e.0411301226.3e60eea3@posting.google.com>,
Hypatia Kosh lept out of the bushes shouting:
What part of "reserved to the States" don't these idiots understand?
The part with words.
Hey, isn't it true Massachusetts has one of--if not *the--lowest divorce
rates in the country?
Last I heard, the lowest. Divorce rates among New England states are
generally low.
Wouldn't that imply if you want to protect marriage, you *should
legalize gay marriage?
In all truth, many factors go into the low divorce rate, and it may be
those factors which in part led to gay marriage, rather than the other way
around. Correlation is not causation.
On the other hand, I love bringing this statistic up to the "family
values" crowd because those yahoos actually DO believe that correlation is
causation--and the marriage and divorce correlations with their brand of
religion are pretty damn embarrassing!
Uh huh. <G>
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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30 Nov 2004 06:46:20 PM |
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On 30 Nov 2004 12:26:15 -0800, while scaling the Mt.
Everest, (Hypatia
Kosh) pontificated:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.11.30.13.28.36.803808@postini.spamcon.org>...
http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/11/112904supremeMarr.htm
Supreme Court Rejects Gay Marriage Case
(Washington) The US Supreme Court Monday declined to hear a challenge to
the Massachusetts court ruling that opened the door to same-sex marriage.
The Florida-based Liberty Counsel
*****, Florida.
said in its brief to the court that the
US Constitution should "protect the citizens of Massachusetts from their
own state supreme court's usurpation of power."
Imagine if Virginia had sent a petition to the US Supreme Court when
the Mass SJC outlawed slavery in Massachusetts in 1793. Jeezus Christ.
Banning gay marriage is not the same as slavery and to
compare them, is to do a huge disservice to the black
people who were forced under a whip to work for free
and you are disgusting for doing so.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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30 Nov 2004 07:15:48 PM |
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On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 00:46:20 +0000, Pastor Dave
<pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<u05qq0dmvga533pntlep3uqfur2ft9m1u4@4ax.com>:
On 30 Nov 2004 12:26:15 -0800, while scaling the Mt. Everest,
Phillips.66.berliv2@spamgourmet.com (Hypatia Kosh) pontificated:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:<pan.2004.11.30.13.28.36.803808@postini.spamcon.org>...
http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/11/112904supremeMarr.htm
Supreme Court Rejects Gay Marriage Case
(Washington) The US Supreme Court Monday declined to hear a challenge
to the Massachusetts court ruling that opened the door to same-sex
marriage.
The Florida-based Liberty Counsel
*****, Florida.
said in its brief to the court that the US Constitution should
"protect the citizens of Massachusetts from their own state supreme
court's usurpation of power."
Imagine if Virginia had sent a petition to the US Supreme Court when the
Mass SJC outlawed slavery in Massachusetts in 1793. Jeezus Christ.
Banning gay marriage is not the same as slavery and to compare them, is
to do a huge disservice to the black people who were forced under a whip
to work for free and you are disgusting for doing so.
It is denying rights to certain people, so it certainly is comparable.
--
Funny Sister Lurlean quote #38:
"Do you all speak German at home? Do you put on leather boots and kick peoples
butt's at orgy's while you yell dirty German words at them?" --Lurlean makes
suggestions for a porn video featuring the governor of California
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| User: "Hypatia Kosh" |
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01 Dec 2004 12:52:46 PM |
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Pastor Dave <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<u05qq0dmvga533pntlep3uqfur2ft9m1u4@4ax.com>...
On 30 Nov 2004 12:26:15 -0800, while scaling the Mt.
Everest, (Hypatia
Kosh) pontificated:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.11.30.13.28.36.803808@postini.spamcon.org>...
http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/11/112904supremeMarr.htm
Supreme Court Rejects Gay Marriage Case
(Washington) The US Supreme Court Monday declined to hear a challenge to
the Massachusetts court ruling that opened the door to same-sex marriage.
The Florida-based Liberty Counsel
*****, Florida.
said in its brief to the court that the
US Constitution should "protect the citizens of Massachusetts from their
own state supreme court's usurpation of power."
Imagine if Virginia had sent a petition to the US Supreme Court when
the Mass SJC outlawed slavery in Massachusetts in 1793. Jeezus Christ.
Banning gay marriage is not the same as slavery and to
compare them, is to do a huge disservice to the black
people who were forced under a whip to work for free
and you are disgusting for doing so.
I didn't compare gay marriage to outlawing slavery, I compared one
"autocratic" act of the SJC to another, to demonstrate how silly that
argument is.
-Hypatia
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| User: "Mongo The Magnificent" |
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| Title: Re: Same-sex marriage here to stay - Neocons LOSE big time! |
02 Dec 2004 05:26:44 PM |
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Bill Baker wrote:
In a brief filed by the city of Boston in opposition to Liberty Counsel
attorney Merita Hopkins argued that Liberty Counsel had not shown they
suffered an injury and could not bring a challenge to the Supreme Court.
Conservatives play the victim card against any action that libs perform.
They consider themselves to be the ultimate victims of the actions of
those
allowed to run free.
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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02 Dec 2004 07:11:46 PM |
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On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 23:26:44 +0000, Mongo The Magnificent
<Noclones@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<41AFA3C6.71FE@yahoo.com>:
Bill Baker wrote:
In a brief filed by the city of Boston in opposition to Liberty Counsel
attorney Merita Hopkins argued that Liberty Counsel had not shown they
suffered an injury and could not bring a challenge to the Supreme Court.
Conservatives play the victim card against any action that libs perform.
They consider themselves to be the ultimate victims of the actions of
those allowed to run free.
Yep...it really bothers neocons that some people are allowed to not
worship their god.
--
Funny Lurlean quote #47:
But the floodgates are open, and the TIDE is rolling in and drowning the whole
country in bean dip. --Lurlean warns about the evils of nachos.
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| User: "stoney" |
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03 Dec 2004 12:06:54 PM |
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On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 01:11:46 GMT, Bill Baker
<wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
Re: Same-sex marriage here to stay - Neocons LOSE big time!
On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 23:26:44 +0000, Mongo The Magnificent
<Noclones@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<41AFA3C6.71FE@yahoo.com>:
Bill Baker wrote:
In a brief filed by the city of Boston in opposition to Liberty Counsel
attorney Merita Hopkins argued that Liberty Counsel had not shown they
suffered an injury and could not bring a challenge to the Supreme Court.
Conservatives play the victim card against any action that libs perform.
They consider themselves to be the ultimate victims of the actions of
those allowed to run free.
/begin
Yep...it really bothers neocons that some people are allowed to not
worship their god.
/end
Seconds?
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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30 Nov 2004 08:25:07 AM |
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Bill Baker wrote:
http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/11/112904supremeMarr.htm
Supreme Court Rejects Gay Marriage Case
-snip-
The Florida-based Liberty Counsel said in its brief to the court that the
US Constitution should "protect the citizens of Massachusetts from their
own state supreme court's usurpation of power."
I find it hugely amusing (and very disturbing) at how the American Taliban get
***** when the court fulfil its primary function as guardian of the law.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in
the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary,
self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition
of tyranny." - James Madison, _The Federalist_, #47
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| User: "L. Michael Roberts" |
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30 Nov 2004 04:25:27 PM |
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Gregory Gadow wrote:
Bill Baker wrote:
http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/11/112904supremeMarr.htm
Supreme Court Rejects Gay Marriage Case
-snip-
The Florida-based Liberty Counsel said in its brief to the court that the
US Constitution should "protect the citizens of Massachusetts from their
own state supreme court's usurpation of power."
I find it hugely amusing (and very disturbing) at how the American Taliban get
***** when the court fulfil its primary function as guardian of the law.
Even more amusing is their claim that "activist judges" are
"legislating from the bench". But.... when the chips are down, who do
they run to when something does not go their way? Why "activist judges"
on a different court! :)
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
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| User: "Bill Baker" |
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30 Nov 2004 08:38:45 AM |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:25:07 -0800, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote in message news:<41AC82C3.A39B2F94@serv.net>:
Bill Baker wrote:
http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/11/112904supremeMarr.htm
Supreme Court Rejects Gay Marriage Case
-snip-
The Florida-based Liberty Counsel said in its brief to the court that the
US Constitution should "protect the citizens of Massachusetts from their
own state supreme court's usurpation of power."
I find it hugely amusing (and very disturbing) at how the American Taliban get
***** when the court fulfil its primary function as guardian of the law.
Yes, unless the Supreme Court makes a decision that favors them. Then, of
course, they say that justice prevailed in a fair court.
--
Funny Lurlean quote #3:
"Preachers have commended me on my diction and usage. They're right out of
Shakespeare's time." -- Lurlean explains the origins of such phrases as
"ain'tcha," "little ol'" and "y'all."
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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30 Nov 2004 09:58:28 AM |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:25:07 -0800, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
pontificated:
Bill Baker wrote:
http://www.365gay.com/newscon04/11/112904supremeMarr.htm
Supreme Court Rejects Gay Marriage Case
-snip-
The Florida-based Liberty Counsel said in its brief to the court that the
US Constitution should "protect the citizens of Massachusetts from their
own state supreme court's usurpation of power."
I find it hugely amusing (and very disturbing) at how the American Taliban get
***** when the court fulfil its primary function as guardian of the law.
There was no "law" allowing gay marriage. I guess
being "guardian of the law" allows for changes, only
when you agree with them.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "Guy Smiley" |
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| Title: Re: Same-sex marriage here to stay - Neocons LOSE big time! |
30 Nov 2004 12:46:23 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" wrote : "There was no 'law' allowing gay marriage. I guess
being 'guardian of the law' allows for changes, only when you agree with
them."
Yeah, next you'll claim that the 14th Amendment doesn't exist, or isn't
"real" law.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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30 Nov 2004 09:44:04 PM |
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In our last episode <3e3rd.34943$Qv5.25335@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
Guy Smiley lept out of the bushes shouting:
"Pastor Dave" wrote : "There was no 'law' allowing gay marriage. I guess
being 'guardian of the law' allows for changes, only when you agree with
them."
Yeah, next you'll claim that the 14th Amendment doesn't exist, or isn't
"real" law.
I thought the idea that you didn't have rights unless they were granted
was a rather Soviet idea...
(Funny how the "right" sounds more Soviet every day)
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
-----------------------------------------------------------
"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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