Religions > Bible > Sanctity of Human Life Week in Honor of President Bush
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"Dr. James Slaughter" |
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20 Jan 2005 01:53:53 PM |
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Sanctity of Human Life Week in Honor of President Bush |
Our radio station is sponsoring Sanctity of Human Life Week, in
honor of the second inauguration of Our Pro Life President,
George W. Bush!
Special Programs all week. If you are in Texas you can listen on
90.9 FM, but everyone in the whole wide world can listen on
www.kcbi,org
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Dr. James Slaughter, Professor of Creation Science
Criswell Bible Institute, Dallas, Texas
www.criswell.edu
Listen to our 100,000 watt radio station on 90.9 FM in Texas
or online at www.kcbi.org
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Sanctity of Human Life Week in Honor of President Bush |
20 Jan 2005 02:48:35 PM |
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"Dr. James Slaughter" <jslaughter@criswell.edu> wrote in message
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Our radio station is sponsoring Sanctity of Human Life Week, in
honor of the second inauguration of Our Pro Life President,
George W. Bush!
Pro-life? You talkin' about abortion? You know he hasn't done squat about
abortion, right?
He's pro-Death penatly, and proud of it.
He even signed a coupla hundred death warrants himself.
Slaughtered something like 30,000 innocent Iraqis, too.
Nope - you got him wrong.
He's anything but pro-life.
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| User: "Alabama Pete" |
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| Title: Re: Sanctity of Human Life Week in Honor of President Bush |
20 Jan 2005 03:19:51 PM |
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"Sanders Kaufman" <usenet@kaufman.net> wrote in
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"Dr. James Slaughter" <jslaughter@criswell.edu> wrote in message
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Our radio station is sponsoring Sanctity of Human Life Week, in
honor of the second inauguration of Our Pro Life President,
George W. Bush!
Pro-life? You talkin' about abortion? You know he hasn't done squat
about abortion, right?
He's pro-Death penatly, and proud of it.
He even signed a coupla hundred death warrants himself.
Slaughtered something like 30,000 innocent Iraqis, too.
Nope - you got him wrong.
He's anything but pro-life.
HE IS PRO LIFE TO INNOCENT BABY'S YOU ***** HEAD. NOW THAT HIS OFFICAL
SECOND TERM IS IN THE BAG, HE IS GOING TO SIGN AN EXECUTIVE ORDER TO MAKE
ABORTION ILLEGAL. THE IRAQS ARE NOT INNOCENT. HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN SEPTEMER
11?
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Sanctity of Human Life Week in Honor of President Bush |
20 Jan 2005 10:29:18 PM |
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"Alabama Pete" <psmith@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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"Sanders Kaufman" <usenet@kaufman.net> wrote in
He's pro-Death penatly, and proud of it.
He even signed a coupla hundred death warrants himself.
Slaughtered something like 30,000 innocent Iraqis, too.
HE IS PRO LIFE TO INNOCENT BABY'S YOU ***** HEAD. NOW THAT HIS OFFICAL
SECOND TERM IS IN THE BAG, HE IS GOING TO SIGN AN EXECUTIVE ORDER TO MAKE
ABORTION ILLEGAL. THE IRAQS ARE NOT INNOCENT. HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN SEPTEMER
11?
Deeds not words.
You got suckered by an idiot.
Bush has done nothing, is doing nothing, and will never do anything to fight
abortion.
Not when you people are so easily manipulated with it.
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| User: "John Starrett" |
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| Title: Re: Sanctity of Human Life Week in Honor of President Bush |
20 Jan 2005 03:54:13 PM |
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Alabama Pete wrote:
HE IS PRO LIFE TO INNOCENT BABY'S YOU ***** HEAD. NOW THAT HIS OFFICAL
SECOND TERM IS IN THE BAG, HE IS GOING TO SIGN AN EXECUTIVE ORDER TO MAKE
ABORTION ILLEGAL. THE IRAQS ARE NOT INNOCENT. HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN SEPTEMER
11?
That is pretty good. Troll here often?
JS
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| User: "Mike V." |
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| Title: Re: Sanctity of Human Life Week in Honor of President Bush |
20 Jan 2005 10:41:33 PM |
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On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:19:51 GMT, Alabama Pete <psmith@bellsouth.net>
posted :
HE IS PRO LIFE TO INNOCENT BABY'S YOU ***** HEAD. NOW THAT HIS OFFICAL
SECOND TERM IS IN THE BAG, HE IS GOING TO SIGN AN EXECUTIVE ORDER TO MAKE
ABORTION ILLEGAL. THE IRAQS ARE NOT INNOCENT. HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN SEPTEMER
11?
Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11, for one thing.
For another, are you saying there are no Iraqi civilians being killed
there, now? The numbers are climbing to approach about 100k.
If you make abortion illegal, are you then going to provide
contraceptives for free to anyone that wants them?
Are you going to provide free sex education to anyone and everyone?
Are you going to then outlaw rich people flying out of the country to
get abortions? Like they used to do when abortions were illegal?
That is the next logical step in your thought process.
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| User: "James A. Chamblee" |
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| Title: Re: Sanctity of Human Life Week in Honor of President Bush |
20 Jan 2005 03:33:04 PM |
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From: "Dr. James Slaughter" <jslaughter@criswell.edu>
Our radio station is sponsoring Sanctity of Human Life Week, in
honor of the second inauguration of Our Pro Life President,
George W. Bush!
Too bad he doesn't consider the lives of American soldiers and Iraqi
civilians to be very important.
Why is it thaqt you are anti-abortion up to the time of birth, and
anti-children after that?
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| User: "Salad" |
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| Title: Re: Sanctity of Human Life Week in Honor of President Bush |
20 Jan 2005 02:11:56 PM |
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Dr. James Slaughter wrote:
Our radio station is sponsoring Sanctity of Human Life Week, in
honor of the second inauguration of Our Pro Life President,
George W. Bush!
A 100 thousand dead and counting.
Pro-life?
You decide.
Special Programs all week. If you are in Texas you can listen on
90.9 FM, but everyone in the whole wide world can listen on
www.kcbi,org
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| User: "Ken" |
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| Title: Re: Sanctity of Human Life Week in Honor of President Bush |
20 Jan 2005 02:49:22 PM |
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"Salad" <oil@vinegar.com> wrote in message
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Dr. James Slaughter wrote:
Our radio station is sponsoring Sanctity of Human Life Week, in
honor of the second inauguration of Our Pro Life President,
George W. Bush!
A 100 thousand dead and counting.
Pro-life?
You decide.
20 million killed in the womb and counting.
Pro-human rights?
You decide.
Have a nice day,
Ken
Special Programs all week. If you are in Texas you can listen on
90.9 FM, but everyone in the whole wide world can listen on
www.kcbi,org
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Sanctity of Human Life Week in Honor of President Bush |
20 Jan 2005 10:29:16 PM |
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"Ken" <Leftists@Useful_Idiot_Savants.com> wrote in message
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"Salad" <oil@vinegar.com> wrote in message
A 100 thousand dead and counting.
Pro-life?
You decide.
20 million killed in the womb and counting.
Pro-human rights?
You decide.
It's worth pointing out that, Bush has done absolutely *nothing* to combat
abortion.
Y'all whackos who support the Iraqi war as a way to fight abortion have
failed on both counts.
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| User: "Ken" |
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| Title: Re: Sanctity of Human Life Week in Honor of President Bush |
21 Jan 2005 01:49:26 AM |
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"Sanders Kaufman" <usenet@kaufman.net> wrote in message
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"Ken" <Leftists@Useful_Idiot_Savants.com> wrote in message
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"Salad" <oil@vinegar.com> wrote in message
A 100 thousand dead and counting.
Pro-life?
You decide.
20 million killed in the womb and counting.
Pro-human rights?
You decide.
It's worth pointing out that, Bush has done absolutely *nothing* to combat
abortion.
Apparently, you were otherwise disposed when that whole late-term partial
birth abortion thing was in the news. Try to catch up.
Have a nice day,
Ken
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Sanctity of Human Life Week in Honor of President Bush |
21 Jan 2005 02:11:23 AM |
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"Ken" <Leftists@Useful_Idiot_Savants.com> wrote in message
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"Sanders Kaufman" <usenet@kaufman.net> wrote in message
It's worth pointing out that, Bush has done absolutely *nothing* to
combat abortion.
Apparently, you were otherwise disposed when that whole late-term partial
birth abortion thing was in the news. Try to catch up.
Nothing was accomplished there.
PBA's are *still* legal.
They *almost* were made illegal - but the Bush Regime added poison pill
wording.
AFTER all the votes were gathered, the NeoCons added a requirement that the
procedure not be performed even if the mother's life is in danger.
That, of course, was the end of it possibly becoming law.
No government worth its while makes it illegal to save a dying mother.
The law was never enacted.
Bush signed the bill, knowing it had no legal basis, to give lip-service to
the Religious whackos.
It worked. You bought into it. You got suckered.
You probably even think PBA's are illegal now, don't you?
They're not.
You NeoCons are remarkably stupid to think that supporting the slaughter of
Iraqis will somehow end abortion.
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| User: "Ken" |
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21 Jan 2005 03:55:22 AM |
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"Sanders Kaufman" <usenet@kaufman.net> wrote in message
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"Ken" <Leftists@Useful_Idiot_Savants.com> wrote in message
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"Sanders Kaufman" <usenet@kaufman.net> wrote in message
It's worth pointing out that, Bush has done absolutely *nothing* to
combat abortion.
Apparently, you were otherwise disposed when that whole late-term partial
birth abortion thing was in the news. Try to catch up.
Nothing was accomplished there.
PBA's are *still* legal.
They *almost* were made illegal - but the Bush Regime added poison pill
wording.
Nothing was added. The option for maternal life was not included. It's in
the courts now, so we'll see what happens when it reaches the USSC.
[snip]
You NeoCons are remarkably stupid to think that supporting the slaughter
of Iraqis will somehow end abortion.
Since this is nothing but a strawman you invented, who cares what you think?
No one is arguing that and it doesn't even make sense.
Come up with a better lie next time.
Have a nice day,
Ken
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Sanctity of Human Life Week in Honor of President Bush |
21 Jan 2005 04:24:04 AM |
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"Ken" <Leftists@Useful_Idiot_Savants.com> wrote in message
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"Sanders Kaufman" <usenet@kaufman.net> wrote in message
Nothing was accomplished there.
PBA's are *still* legal.
They *almost* were made illegal - but the Bush Regime added poison pill
wording.
Nothing was added. The option for maternal life was not included. It's in
the courts now, so we'll see what happens when it reaches the USSC.
So, as you see, Bush has accomplished nothing in outlawing abortion.
That's in stark contrast to the bloodbath he created unncessarily in Iraq.
Yet y'all still think he's a pro-lifer.
Clearly, y'all aren't rational.
You NeoCons are remarkably stupid to think that supporting the slaughter
of Iraqis will somehow end abortion.
Since this is nothing but a strawman you invented, who cares what you
think?
I invented the Iraqi war?
You religious whackos are outta your minds.
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| User: "Carla Walker" |
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| Title: Re: Sanctity of Human Life Week in Honor of President Bush |
22 Jan 2005 05:12:09 PM |
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Bush is a war criminal. He deserves the same fate as the Nazis
at the Nuremburg trials.
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| User: "Jerry Okamura" |
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22 Jan 2005 07:06:02 PM |
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Can you think of any war where the leader of a country, who won the war, was
tried
as a war criminal. It just does not happen....even if they did indeed
commit war crimes. North Korea
committed war crimes, North Vietnam committed war crimes, no leader from
either country
was charged with a war crime.
"Carla Walker" <cwalker75219@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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Bush is a war criminal. He deserves the same fate as the Nazis
at the Nuremburg trials.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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22 Jan 2005 08:26:13 PM |
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No matter - we've learned from history.
It's time for folks like Bush, bin Laden, Hussein and Milosovich to share a
cell block in The Hague.
"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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Can you think of any war where the leader of a country, who won the war,
was tried
as a war criminal. It just does not happen....even if they did indeed
commit war crimes. North Korea
committed war crimes, North Vietnam committed war crimes, no leader from
either country
was charged with a war crime.
"Carla Walker" <cwalker75219@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:d5BId.4766$2e7.1182@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
Bush is a war criminal. He deserves the same fate as the Nazis
at the Nuremburg trials.
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| User: "Jerry Okamura" |
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23 Jan 2005 01:17:37 PM |
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What we have learned from history is that winners are never tried for a war
crime,
only losers are.
"Sanders Kaufman" <usenet@kaufman.net> wrote in message
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No matter - we've learned from history.
It's time for folks like Bush, bin Laden, Hussein and Milosovich to share
a cell block in The Hague.
"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:_LCId.75131$gd.49867@twister.socal.rr.com...
Can you think of any war where the leader of a country, who won the war,
was tried
as a war criminal. It just does not happen....even if they did indeed
commit war crimes. North Korea
committed war crimes, North Vietnam committed war crimes, no leader from
either country
was charged with a war crime.
"Carla Walker" <cwalker75219@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:d5BId.4766$2e7.1182@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
Bush is a war criminal. He deserves the same fate as the Nazis
at the Nuremburg trials.
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| User: "James A. Chamblee" |
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| Title: Re: Sanctity of Human Life Week in Honor of President Bush |
23 Jan 2005 07:50:03 PM |
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From: "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com>
What we have learned from history is that winners are never tried for a war
crime,
only losers are.
Right. And Bush is LOSING in Iraq.
Think about it.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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24 Jan 2005 12:56:57 AM |
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You can look iat it like the ARE never tried, if you like.
I prefer to think they simply have note YET been tried.
"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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What we have learned from history is that winners are never tried for a
war crime,
only losers are.
"Sanders Kaufman" <usenet@kaufman.net> wrote in message
news:9XDId.18402$wi2.13504@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
No matter - we've learned from history.
It's time for folks like Bush, bin Laden, Hussein and Milosovich to share
a cell block in The Hague.
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| User: "Jerry Okamura" |
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24 Jan 2005 06:10:31 PM |
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You can look at it anyway you want to. The leader of North Korea during the
Korean
War is long gone from this earth. The leader of North Vietnam, is long gone
from this earth.
Trying someone who is already dead and buried, may make you feel good, but
it won't bother
the guy who is dead and buried.
"Sanders Kaufman" <usenet@kaufman.net> wrote in message
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You can look iat it like the ARE never tried, if you like.
I prefer to think they simply have note YET been tried.
"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:lLSId.66223$nP1.15246@twister.socal.rr.com...
What we have learned from history is that winners are never tried for a
war crime,
only losers are.
"Sanders Kaufman" <usenet@kaufman.net> wrote in message
news:9XDId.18402$wi2.13504@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
No matter - we've learned from history.
It's time for folks like Bush, bin Laden, Hussein and Milosovich to
share a cell block in The Hague.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Sanctity of Human Life Week in Honor of President Bush |
25 Jan 2005 12:02:10 AM |
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"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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You can look at it anyway you want to. The leader of North Korea during
the Korean
War is long gone from this earth. The leader of North Vietnam, is long
gone from this earth.
Trying someone who is already dead and buried, may make you feel good, but
it won't bother
the guy who is dead and buried.
George Bush isn't dead... yet.
There's still plenty of time to try him for his crimes.
Your assertion, that Bush should not be tried because nobody like him has
been tried before is ludicrous.
Nobody ever got the Palestinians and Israelis to shake hands, play in the
woods, and agree to agree - until President Clinton did it.
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| User: "McWebber" |
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| Title: Re: Sanctity of Human Life Week in Honor of President Bush |
25 Jan 2005 11:01:16 AM |
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"Sanders Kaufman" <steveross27@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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You can look at it anyway you want to. The leader of North Korea during
the Korean
War is long gone from this earth. The leader of North Vietnam, is long
gone from this earth.
Trying someone who is already dead and buried, may make you feel good,
but
it won't bother
the guy who is dead and buried.
George Bush isn't dead... yet.
There's still plenty of time to try him for his crimes.
Your assertion, that Bush should not be tried because nobody like him has
been tried before is ludicrous.
Nobody ever got the Palestinians and Israelis to shake hands, play in the
woods, and agree to agree - until President Clinton did it.
I seem to remember Jimmy Carter there with Arafat and Begin in the 1979 Camp
David Accords.
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McWebber
No email replies read
If someone tells you to forward an email to all your friends
please forget that I'm your friend.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Sanctity of Human Life Week in Honor of President Bush |
25 Jan 2005 02:41:15 PM |
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"McWebber" <mcwebber@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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"Sanders Kaufman" <steveross27@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
Your assertion, that Bush should not be tried because nobody like him has
been tried before is ludicrous.
Nobody ever got the Palestinians and Israelis to shake hands, play in the
woods, and agree to agree - until President Clinton did it.
I seem to remember Jimmy Carter there with Arafat and Begin in the 1979
Camp
David Accords.
Yeah, but it wasn't *nearly* as friendly and productive as when Clinton did
it.
*Anybody* can get a Palestinian and an Israeli to interact with each other -
but Clinton got 'em to shake hands. There's even video footage of Arafat
and the Israeli actually laughing and playing with each other.
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| User: "Jerry Okamura" |
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| Title: Re: Sanctity of Human Life Week in Honor of President Bush |
26 Jan 2005 12:34:00 PM |
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"Sanders Kaufman" <steveross27@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"McWebber" <mcwebber@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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"Sanders Kaufman" <steveross27@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
Your assertion, that Bush should not be tried because nobody like him
has
been tried before is ludicrous.
Nobody ever got the Palestinians and Israelis to shake hands, play in
the
woods, and agree to agree - until President Clinton did it.
I seem to remember Jimmy Carter there with Arafat and Begin in the 1979
Camp
David Accords.
Yeah, but it wasn't *nearly* as friendly and productive as when Clinton
did it.
*Anybody* can get a Palestinian and an Israeli to interact with each
other - but Clinton got 'em to shake hands. There's even video footage of
Arafat and the Israeli actually laughing and playing with each other.
Results are what counts, not "feel good" gestures.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Sanctity of Human Life Week in Honor of President Bush |
26 Jan 2005 01:14:05 PM |
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"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Sanders Kaufman" <steveross27@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
*Anybody* can get a Palestinian and an Israeli to interact with each
other - but Clinton got 'em to shake hands. There's even video footage
of Arafat and the Israeli actually laughing and playing with each other.
Results are what counts, not "feel good" gestures.
The result was that a new channel of communication was opened up.
Clinton is to be admired for that accomplishment.
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| User: "Jerry Okamura" |
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| Title: Re: Sanctity of Human Life Week in Honor of President Bush |
26 Jan 2005 03:14:05 PM |
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"Sanders Kaufman" <steveross27@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Sanders Kaufman" <steveross27@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
*Anybody* can get a Palestinian and an Israeli to interact with each
other - but Clinton got 'em to shake hands. There's even video footage
of Arafat and the Israeli actually laughing and playing with each other.
Results are what counts, not "feel good" gestures.
The result was that a new channel of communication was opened up.
Clinton is to be admired for that accomplishment.
No, the end result, at least to this point is, that they are still killing
each other. You can
"talk" until the cows come home, all the talk in the world does not change
the facts
on the ground, i.e. the continued "war" they are waging. Besides, it just
seems to me, that
when you have a group of Palestinians whose goal is the elimination of the
State of Israel, and
they are well armed and dedicated to that goal, unless you are able to
change their minds,
the killing will not stop. Becasue the State of Israel, is not going to
just do nothing about a
group of people that wants to eliminate their state.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Sanctity of Human Life Week in Honor of President Bush |
26 Jan 2005 04:54:28 PM |
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"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Sanders Kaufman" <steveross27@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
The result was that a new channel of communication was opened up.
Clinton is to be admired for that accomplishment.
No, the end result, at least to this point is, that they are still killing
each other.
That's not *because* of the Camp David Accords with Clinton.
They were killing each other long before that.
If you're blaming Clinton for the Israeli Wars - you're f'n nuts.
Clinton and Carter did something Bush and his warlords will *never* be able
to do.
They got middle-east warlords to sit down over snacks to work out their
problems - without throwing food at each other.
Bush just takes a bad situation, with a thousand great solutions and one bad
one - and he picks the bad one.
--
"God told me to invade Iraq" - Bush
"Thank God!" - bin Laden
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| User: "Jerry Okamura" |
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| Title: Re: Sanctity of Human Life Week in Honor of President Bush |
26 Jan 2005 06:56:38 PM |
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"Sanders Kaufman" <steveross27@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Sanders Kaufman" <steveross27@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
The result was that a new channel of communication was opened up.
Clinton is to be admired for that accomplishment.
No, the end result, at least to this point is, that they are still
killing each other.
That's not *because* of the Camp David Accords with Clinton.
They were killing each other long before that.
If you're blaming Clinton for the Israeli Wars - you're f'n nuts.
I am not blaming anyone, nor am I giving anyone "credit". I am simply
stating what has
happened. Opening up a new channel of communication, is never a bad idea,
but in
the end, it is results that count. And the mere fact that they are still
killing each other
indicates to me, that unless we see some concrete results from the new
channel of
communication, or any new initiative, which includes what Bush is trying to
do, it will all
do very little good in the end.
Clinton and Carter did something Bush and his warlords will *never* be
able to do.
They got middle-east warlords to sit down over snacks to work out their
problems - without throwing food at each other.
No they are not throwing food at each other, they just continue to kill each
other.
Perhaps if they did start to throw food at each other, they would actually
get serious
and stop killing each other.
Bush just takes a bad situation, with a thousand great solutions and one
bad one - and he picks the bad one.
I am going to make this real simple. You cannot have peace with anyone, as
long as
one or both are killing each other. You cannot have peace when there are
Palestinians
whose goal is the complete elimination of the state of Israel. All the
wishful thinking is
not going to get those whose goal is the elimination of the state of Israel
to lay down
their arms, unless there is a dramatic change in their attitude toward
Isarel, or unless the
current Palestinian leader is willing to take them on head on. The problem
with the latter, is he
may not live long enough to see it through.
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| User: "Josh Rosenbluth" |
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| Title: Re: Sanctity of Human Life Week in Honor of President Bush |
26 Jan 2005 07:19:46 PM |
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Jerry Okamura wrote:
"Sanders Kaufman" <steveross27@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:EcVJd.19839$wi2.19294@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
Clinton and Carter did something Bush and his warlords will *never* be
able to do.
They got middle-east warlords to sit down over snacks to work out their
problems - without throwing food at each other.
No they are not throwing food at each other, they just continue to kill each
other. Perhaps if they did start to throw food at each other, they would actually
get serious and stop killing each other.
Carter got peace between Israel and Egypt. Clinton (with a big assist
from Bush41) got peace between Israel and Jordan.
I am going to make this real simple. You cannot have peace with anyone, as
long as one or both are killing each other. You cannot have peace when there are
Palestinians whose goal is the complete elimination of the state of Israel.
[...] unless the current Palestinian leader is willing to take them on head on.
True. But, it is also true there can be no peace so long as Israel is
unwilling to close almost all the settlements, which is a prerequisite
for a contiguous, viable Palestinian state. Clinton got Barak to that
point. In contrast, Bush has allowed Sharon to do proceed with
settlement expansion (forget about contraction). Will the Gaza pullout
be followed by a unilateral annexation of most of those settlements,
thus insuring there can be no Palestinian state? Will Bush let that happen?
Josh Rosenbluth
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| User: "Jerry Okamura" |
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| Title: Re: Sanctity of Human Life Week in Honor of President Bush |
27 Jan 2005 12:59:56 PM |
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"Josh Rosenbluth" <jrosenbluth@gotcha.comcast.net> wrote in message
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Jerry Okamura wrote:
"Sanders Kaufman" <steveross27@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:EcVJd.19839$wi2.19294@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
Clinton and Carter did something Bush and his warlords will *never* be
able to do.
They got middle-east warlords to sit down over snacks to work out their
problems - without throwing food at each other.
No they are not throwing food at each other, they just continue to kill
each other. Perhaps if they did start to throw food at each other, they
would actually get serious and stop killing each other.
Carter got peace between Israel and Egypt. Clinton (with a big assist
from Bush41) got peace between Israel and Jordan.
I am not making the argument that people should not try to get the two
parties to "try" and achieve a peaceful solution. I am simply pointing out
that the only
way you can reach a peaceful solution is when both sides are willing to do
what is necessary to achieve peace.
I am going to make this real simple. You cannot have peace with anyone,
as long as one or both are killing each other. You cannot have peace
when there are Palestinians whose goal is the complete elimination of the
state of Israel. [...] unless the current Palestinian leader is willing
to take them on head on.
True. But, it is also true there can be no peace so long as Israel is
unwilling to close almost all the settlements, which is a prerequisite for
a contiguous, viable Palestinian state. Clinton got Barak to that point.
In contrast, Bush has allowed Sharon to do proceed with settlement
expansion (forget about contraction). Will the Gaza pullout be followed
by a unilateral annexation of most of those settlements, thus insuring
there can be no Palestinian state? Will Bush let that happen?
No, you can only have peace, when both sides are willing to compromise. Let
us try to make this real simple. The Israeli's "occupy land that the
Palestinians
think belong to them. The problem is that Palestinians have not show a
willingness
to "compromise" what is the facts on the ground. As long as they are not
willing
to compromise and continue to kill Israeli's, the Israli's have no incentive
to reach
a negotiated settlement of the issue.
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