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"Glenn" |
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28 Jan 2008 03:32:36 PM |
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SATAN HAS BEEN RELEASED FROM THE PIT! |
SATAN HAS BEEN RELEASED FROM THE PIT!
Revelation 20:7 [KJV] "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan
shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the
nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to
gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the
sea.
[Darby] "And when the thousand years have been completed, Satan shall be
loosed from his prison, and shall go out to deceive the nations which
are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them
together to the war, whose number is as the sand of the sea.
What are the Signs (described events) which are given in this prophecy,
which will tell us "if" and "When" Satan has been loosed from his
prison, and the thousand years have been completed?
SIGNS
a) [he] shall go out to deceive the nations
b) in the four corners of the earth,
c) Gog and Magog,
d) to gather them to war,
1. Deceive
2. ALL Nations
3. Deceive Gog and Magog
4. gather them (in context, this is all nations) to war.
War
* Military
* Ideological
* Propaganda
* Economic
* Religious
Deceive; Since 1800
Deception, Delusion, Sophistry, Lies, False Doctrine or False Science;
False religion:
Mormonism, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science;
Secular Humanism;
World Council of Churches,
"It does not matter which religion/god/doctrine you believe."
Politics, Government
Capitalism; conquest of people by use of wealth, Modern Babylon
Communism; conquest of people by use of ideology, Gog and Magog
Scientific Sophistry
Geologic Gradualism; the deception that the earth is millions of years old;
Big Bang Cosmos; the lie that something could come into being with out
Cause;
Spontaneous Generation: the delusion that life came from non-life;
Evolution; that living things gave birth to things of a different kind.
Deceive All Nations
Since 1880, all the nations of the world have been deceived by the lies
of Scientific Sophistry;
All the nations of the world have been deceived by false religions which
did not exist prior to 1800;
Both Modern Babylon and Russia (Gog and Magog) have played all the
nations of the world like whores.
Gog and Magog (Russia)
Since Satan deceived Godless communism, Russia, in 1917, the Russian
government made war against God and His people.
"One branch of this party, commonly known as the Bolsheviks and headed
by Vladimir Lenin, succeeded in taking control of the country after the
toppling of the Provisional Government in the Russian Revolution of 1917."
http://tinyurl.com/zw46w (Lenin)
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin
WAR; Since 1800
World War, War involving all the nations which once were Rome
Napoleon Bonaparte
"At the turn of the nineteenth century, over the course of little more
than a decade, the armies of France under his command fought almost
every European power and acquired control of most of continental Europe
by conquest or alliance." "Napoleon's invasion of Russia commenced On 22
June 1812."
http://tinyurl.com/yn25y8
WW1
"World War I, also known as the Great War and "The War To End All Wars,"
was a global military conflict which took place primarily in Europe
between 1914 and 1918. More than nine million soldiers and civilians
died. The conflict had a decisive impact on the history of the 20th
century."
"The Allied Powers, led by France, Imperial Russia, Britain, and, from
1917 on, the United States, defeated the Central Powers, led by the
Austro-Hungarian, German, Ottoman, and Bulgarian Empires. Italy joined
the Allies in 1915, and Imperial Russia withdrew in 1917."
Campaigns and theatres of World War I
European
Balkans – Western Front – Eastern Front – Italian Front
Middle Eastern
Caucasus – Mesopotamia – Sinai and Palestine – Gallipoli – Persia
African
South-West Africa – West Africa – East Africa
Asian and Pacific
German Samoa and New Guinea – Tsingtao
Other
Atlantic Ocean – Mediterranean – Naval – Aerial
http://tinyurl.com/8una4
And see:
http://tinyurl.com/29o37t
WW2
Adolf Hitler
http://tinyurl.com/8v799
"World War II (abbreviated WWII or WW2), or the Second World War, was a
worldwide military conflict which lasted from 1939 to 1945. World War II
was the amalgamation of two conflicts, one starting in Asia as the
Second Sino-Japanese War and the other beginning in Europe with the
Invasion of Poland."
"This global conflict split a majority of the world's nations into two
opposing camps: the Allies and the Axis. Spanning much of the globe,
World War II resulted in the deaths of over 60 million people, of which
about half were Soviet, making it the deadliest conflict in human history."
"World War II was the most widespread war in history, and countries
involved mobilized more than 100 million military personnel. Total war
erased the distinction between civil and military resources and saw the
complete mobilization of a nation's economic, industrial, and scientific
capabilities for the purposes of the war effort; nearly two-thirds of
those killed in the war were civilians. Nearly 11 million of the
civilian casualties were victims of the Holocaust, which was largely
conducted in Eastern Europe. The Holocaust was the systematic killing of
political, social and racial minorities. Six million of these victims
were Jews persecuted by the Nazis. Other victims of the Holocaust
included Roma, people with mental and physical disabilities, and other
minority groups."
"The conflict ended in an Allied victory. As a result, the United States
and Soviet Union emerged as the world's two leading superpowers, setting
the stage for the Cold War for the next 45 years. Self determination
gave rise to decolonization/independence movements in Asia and Africa,
while Europe itself began traveling the road leading to integration."
Campaigns and theatres of World War II
Europe
Poland – Phony War – Denmark & Norway – France & Benelux – Britain –
Eastern Front – North West Europe (1944–45)
Asian and Pacific
China – Pacific Ocean – South-East Asia – South West Pacific – Japan –
Manchuria
Middle East, Mediterranean and Africa
Mediterranean Sea – East Africa – North Africa – West Africa – Balkans
(1939-41) – Middle East – Yugoslavia – Madagascar – Italy
Other
Atlantic – Strategic bombing – North America – Arctic – Caribbean –
Australia
http://tinyurl.com/b5x6e
Search term:
Contemporary wars
http://tinyurl.com/2rtgva
CONCLUSION
The evidence, (fulfilled signs) indicate that Satan was released from
the pit in about 1800.
Gog and Magog was involved in every major war since about 1800, after
being invaded by Napoleon on 22 June 1812.
Russia, Gog and Magog, was deceived by Godless Communism in about 1917,
and made war against God and Christianity.
http://tinyurl.com/ywm2nq
"This form of communism emerged in history as a sworn and bitter enemy
of Christianity. For its part, Christianity recognizes it as completely
alien and inimical with itself."
http://tinyurl.com/2uq835
Since 1880, Evolution, Geologic Gradualism and Big Bang Therory have, in
fact, made war against God and His People, Christianity.
Since 1800, Mormonism, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses,
Christian Science and Secular Humanism, have, in fact, made war against
God and His People.
Napoleon's attempt to conquer Europe, those Nations which once were
Rome, and will be Rome again; and WW1, and Hitlers attempt (WW2) to
establish a "thousand year reign", involved all the nations of the world.
For 40 years Modern Babylon (America) sat on (dominated, manipulated and
ruled) the nations which once were Rome.
For 40 years Modern Babylon and Gog and Magog have threatened the world
with Nuclear destruction, and divided the world between themselves.
The evidence is disputable only by those who suffer from blindness and
delusion: Satan was released before 1880, and the first Three Seals have
been opened. "The Beginning of Sorrows" began in about 1900.
Mat 24:7-8, Rev 6:1-6, Rev 20:7-8 have been fulfilled in the lifetime of
those who witnessed the end of the Times of the Gentiles. Luke 21:24
Glenn
His witness
--
www.thelittlebookopened.org [Key words:] "The Little Book";
Glenn McClary, servitum, gaedhealic, oldwetdog
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| User: "JayJBee" |
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| Title: Re: SATAN HAS BEEN RELEASED FROM THE PIT! |
29 Jan 2008 09:53:50 PM |
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Glenn wrote:
SATAN HAS BEEN RELEASED FROM THE PIT!
PNAC
USA was never a country. The best position you al,
black/white/yellow/red/greenwithblueishdots ever had was missionary: to
kill for tarotcard money.
JayJBee
"Are you a yank, or is it just a coincident that you left you out?"
Revelation 20:7 [KJV] "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan
shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the
nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to
gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the
sea.
[Darby] "And when the thousand years have been completed, Satan shall be
loosed from his prison, and shall go out to deceive the nations which
are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them
together to the war, whose number is as the sand of the sea.
What are the Signs (described events) which are given in this prophecy,
which will tell us "if" and "When" Satan has been loosed from his
prison, and the thousand years have been completed?
SIGNS
a) [he] shall go out to deceive the nations
b) in the four corners of the earth,
c) Gog and Magog,
d) to gather them to war,
1. Deceive
2. ALL Nations
3. Deceive Gog and Magog
4. gather them (in context, this is all nations) to war.
War
* Military
* Ideological
* Propaganda
* Economic
* Religious
Deceive; Since 1800
Deception, Delusion, Sophistry, Lies, False Doctrine or False Science;
False religion:
Mormonism, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science;
Secular Humanism;
World Council of Churches,
"It does not matter which religion/god/doctrine you believe."
Politics, Government
Capitalism; conquest of people by use of wealth, Modern Babylon
Communism; conquest of people by use of ideology, Gog and Magog
Scientific Sophistry
Geologic Gradualism; the deception that the earth is millions of years old;
Big Bang Cosmos; the lie that something could come into being with out
Cause;
Spontaneous Generation: the delusion that life came from non-life;
Evolution; that living things gave birth to things of a different kind.
Deceive All Nations
Since 1880, all the nations of the world have been deceived by the lies
of Scientific Sophistry;
All the nations of the world have been deceived by false religions which
did not exist prior to 1800;
Both Modern Babylon and Russia (Gog and Magog) have played all the
nations of the world like whores.
Gog and Magog (Russia)
Since Satan deceived Godless communism, Russia, in 1917, the Russian
government made war against God and His people.
"One branch of this party, commonly known as the Bolsheviks and headed
by Vladimir Lenin, succeeded in taking control of the country after the
toppling of the Provisional Government in the Russian Revolution of 1917."
http://tinyurl.com/zw46w (Lenin)
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin
WAR; Since 1800
World War, War involving all the nations which once were Rome
Napoleon Bonaparte
"At the turn of the nineteenth century, over the course of little more
than a decade, the armies of France under his command fought almost
every European power and acquired control of most of continental Europe
by conquest or alliance." "Napoleon's invasion of Russia commenced On 22
June 1812."
http://tinyurl.com/yn25y8
WW1
"World War I, also known as the Great War and "The War To End All Wars,"
was a global military conflict which took place primarily in Europe
between 1914 and 1918. More than nine million soldiers and civilians
died. The conflict had a decisive impact on the history of the 20th
century."
"The Allied Powers, led by France, Imperial Russia, Britain, and, from
1917 on, the United States, defeated the Central Powers, led by the
Austro-Hungarian, German, Ottoman, and Bulgarian Empires. Italy joined
the Allies in 1915, and Imperial Russia withdrew in 1917."
Campaigns and theatres of World War I
European
Balkans – Western Front – Eastern Front – Italian Front
Middle Eastern
Caucasus – Mesopotamia – Sinai and Palestine – Gallipoli – Persia
African
South-West Africa – West Africa – East Africa
Asian and Pacific
German Samoa and New Guinea – Tsingtao
Other
Atlantic Ocean – Mediterranean – Naval – Aerial
http://tinyurl.com/8una4
And see:
http://tinyurl.com/29o37t
WW2
Adolf Hitler
http://tinyurl.com/8v799
"World War II (abbreviated WWII or WW2), or the Second World War, was a
worldwide military conflict which lasted from 1939 to 1945. World War II
was the amalgamation of two conflicts, one starting in Asia as the
Second Sino-Japanese War and the other beginning in Europe with the
Invasion of Poland."
"This global conflict split a majority of the world's nations into two
opposing camps: the Allies and the Axis. Spanning much of the globe,
World War II resulted in the deaths of over 60 million people, of which
about half were Soviet, making it the deadliest conflict in human history."
"World War II was the most widespread war in history, and countries
involved mobilized more than 100 million military personnel. Total war
erased the distinction between civil and military resources and saw the
complete mobilization of a nation's economic, industrial, and scientific
capabilities for the purposes of the war effort; nearly two-thirds of
those killed in the war were civilians. Nearly 11 million of the
civilian casualties were victims of the Holocaust, which was largely
conducted in Eastern Europe. The Holocaust was the systematic killing of
political, social and racial minorities. Six million of these victims
were Jews persecuted by the Nazis. Other victims of the Holocaust
included Roma, people with mental and physical disabilities, and other
minority groups."
"The conflict ended in an Allied victory. As a result, the United States
and Soviet Union emerged as the world's two leading superpowers, setting
the stage for the Cold War for the next 45 years. Self determination
gave rise to decolonization/independence movements in Asia and Africa,
while Europe itself began traveling the road leading to integration."
Campaigns and theatres of World War II
Europe
Poland – Phony War – Denmark & Norway – France & Benelux – Britain –
Eastern Front – North West Europe (1944–45)
Asian and Pacific
China – Pacific Ocean – South-East Asia – South West Pacific – Japan –
Manchuria
Middle East, Mediterranean and Africa
Mediterranean Sea – East Africa – North Africa – West Africa – Balkans
(1939-41) – Middle East – Yugoslavia – Madagascar – Italy
Other
Atlantic – Strategic bombing – North America – Arctic – Caribbean –
Australia
http://tinyurl.com/b5x6e
Search term:
Contemporary wars
http://tinyurl.com/2rtgva
CONCLUSION
The evidence, (fulfilled signs) indicate that Satan was released from
the pit in about 1800.
Gog and Magog was involved in every major war since about 1800, after
being invaded by Napoleon on 22 June 1812.
Russia, Gog and Magog, was deceived by Godless Communism in about 1917,
and made war against God and Christianity.
http://tinyurl.com/ywm2nq
"This form of communism emerged in history as a sworn and bitter enemy
of Christianity. For its part, Christianity recognizes it as completely
alien and inimical with itself."
http://tinyurl.com/2uq835
Since 1880, Evolution, Geologic Gradualism and Big Bang Therory have, in
fact, made war against God and His People, Christianity.
Since 1800, Mormonism, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses,
Christian Science and Secular Humanism, have, in fact, made war against
God and His People.
Napoleon's attempt to conquer Europe, those Nations which once were
Rome, and will be Rome again; and WW1, and Hitlers attempt (WW2) to
establish a "thousand year reign", involved all the nations of the world.
For 40 years Modern Babylon (America) sat on (dominated, manipulated and
ruled) the nations which once were Rome.
For 40 years Modern Babylon and Gog and Magog have threatened the world
with Nuclear destruction, and divided the world between themselves.
The evidence is disputable only by those who suffer from blindness and
delusion: Satan was released before 1880, and the first Three Seals have
been opened. "The Beginning of Sorrows" began in about 1900.
Mat 24:7-8, Rev 6:1-6, Rev 20:7-8 have been fulfilled in the lifetime of
those who witnessed the end of the Times of the Gentiles. Luke 21:24
Glenn
His witness
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| User: "Mike" |
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| Title: Re: SATAN HAS BEEN RELEASED FROM THE PIT! |
30 Jan 2008 03:31:50 PM |
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He hasn't been thrown in the pit yet. This will happen around the time
of Armageddon. See Revelation.
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:53:50 +0100, JayJBee <jayjbee@notmail.com>
wrote:
Glenn wrote:
SATAN HAS BEEN RELEASED FROM THE PIT!
PNAC
USA was never a country. The best position you al,
black/white/yellow/red/greenwithblueishdots ever had was missionary: to
kill for tarotcard money.
JayJBee
"Are you a yank, or is it just a coincident that you left you out?"
Revelation 20:7 [KJV] "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan
shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the
nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to
gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the
sea.
[Darby] "And when the thousand years have been completed, Satan shall be
loosed from his prison, and shall go out to deceive the nations which
are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them
together to the war, whose number is as the sand of the sea.
What are the Signs (described events) which are given in this prophecy,
which will tell us "if" and "When" Satan has been loosed from his
prison, and the thousand years have been completed?
SIGNS
a) [he] shall go out to deceive the nations
b) in the four corners of the earth,
c) Gog and Magog,
d) to gather them to war,
1. Deceive
2. ALL Nations
3. Deceive Gog and Magog
4. gather them (in context, this is all nations) to war.
War
* Military
* Ideological
* Propaganda
* Economic
* Religious
Deceive; Since 1800
Deception, Delusion, Sophistry, Lies, False Doctrine or False Science;
False religion:
Mormonism, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science;
Secular Humanism;
World Council of Churches,
"It does not matter which religion/god/doctrine you believe."
Politics, Government
Capitalism; conquest of people by use of wealth, Modern Babylon
Communism; conquest of people by use of ideology, Gog and Magog
Scientific Sophistry
Geologic Gradualism; the deception that the earth is millions of years old;
Big Bang Cosmos; the lie that something could come into being with out
Cause;
Spontaneous Generation: the delusion that life came from non-life;
Evolution; that living things gave birth to things of a different kind.
Deceive All Nations
Since 1880, all the nations of the world have been deceived by the lies
of Scientific Sophistry;
All the nations of the world have been deceived by false religions which
did not exist prior to 1800;
Both Modern Babylon and Russia (Gog and Magog) have played all the
nations of the world like whores.
Gog and Magog (Russia)
Since Satan deceived Godless communism, Russia, in 1917, the Russian
government made war against God and His people.
"One branch of this party, commonly known as the Bolsheviks and headed
by Vladimir Lenin, succeeded in taking control of the country after the
toppling of the Provisional Government in the Russian Revolution of 1917."
http://tinyurl.com/zw46w (Lenin)
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin
WAR; Since 1800
World War, War involving all the nations which once were Rome
Napoleon Bonaparte
"At the turn of the nineteenth century, over the course of little more
than a decade, the armies of France under his command fought almost
every European power and acquired control of most of continental Europe
by conquest or alliance." "Napoleon's invasion of Russia commenced On 22
June 1812."
http://tinyurl.com/yn25y8
WW1
"World War I, also known as the Great War and "The War To End All Wars,"
was a global military conflict which took place primarily in Europe
between 1914 and 1918. More than nine million soldiers and civilians
died. The conflict had a decisive impact on the history of the 20th
century."
"The Allied Powers, led by France, Imperial Russia, Britain, and, from
1917 on, the United States, defeated the Central Powers, led by the
Austro-Hungarian, German, Ottoman, and Bulgarian Empires. Italy joined
the Allies in 1915, and Imperial Russia withdrew in 1917."
Campaigns and theatres of World War I
European
Balkans – Western Front – Eastern Front – Italian Front
Middle Eastern
Caucasus – Mesopotamia – Sinai and Palestine – Gallipoli – Persia
African
South-West Africa – West Africa – East Africa
Asian and Pacific
German Samoa and New Guinea – Tsingtao
Other
Atlantic Ocean – Mediterranean – Naval – Aerial
http://tinyurl.com/8una4
And see:
http://tinyurl.com/29o37t
WW2
Adolf Hitler
http://tinyurl.com/8v799
"World War II (abbreviated WWII or WW2), or the Second World War, was a
worldwide military conflict which lasted from 1939 to 1945. World War II
was the amalgamation of two conflicts, one starting in Asia as the
Second Sino-Japanese War and the other beginning in Europe with the
Invasion of Poland."
"This global conflict split a majority of the world's nations into two
opposing camps: the Allies and the Axis. Spanning much of the globe,
World War II resulted in the deaths of over 60 million people, of which
about half were Soviet, making it the deadliest conflict in human history."
"World War II was the most widespread war in history, and countries
involved mobilized more than 100 million military personnel. Total war
erased the distinction between civil and military resources and saw the
complete mobilization of a nation's economic, industrial, and scientific
capabilities for the purposes of the war effort; nearly two-thirds of
those killed in the war were civilians. Nearly 11 million of the
civilian casualties were victims of the Holocaust, which was largely
conducted in Eastern Europe. The Holocaust was the systematic killing of
political, social and racial minorities. Six million of these victims
were Jews persecuted by the Nazis. Other victims of the Holocaust
included Roma, people with mental and physical disabilities, and other
minority groups."
"The conflict ended in an Allied victory. As a result, the United States
and Soviet Union emerged as the world's two leading superpowers, setting
the stage for the Cold War for the next 45 years. Self determination
gave rise to decolonization/independence movements in Asia and Africa,
while Europe itself began traveling the road leading to integration."
Campaigns and theatres of World War II
Europe
Poland – Phony War – Denmark & Norway – France & Benelux – Britain –
Eastern Front – North West Europe (1944–45)
Asian and Pacific
China – Pacific Ocean – South-East Asia – South West Pacific – Japan –
Manchuria
Middle East, Mediterranean and Africa
Mediterranean Sea – East Africa – North Africa – West Africa – Balkans
(1939-41) – Middle East – Yugoslavia – Madagascar – Italy
Other
Atlantic – Strategic bombing – North America – Arctic – Caribbean –
Australia
http://tinyurl.com/b5x6e
Search term:
Contemporary wars
http://tinyurl.com/2rtgva
CONCLUSION
The evidence, (fulfilled signs) indicate that Satan was released from
the pit in about 1800.
Gog and Magog was involved in every major war since about 1800, after
being invaded by Napoleon on 22 June 1812.
Russia, Gog and Magog, was deceived by Godless Communism in about 1917,
and made war against God and Christianity.
http://tinyurl.com/ywm2nq
"This form of communism emerged in history as a sworn and bitter enemy
of Christianity. For its part, Christianity recognizes it as completely
alien and inimical with itself."
http://tinyurl.com/2uq835
Since 1880, Evolution, Geologic Gradualism and Big Bang Therory have, in
fact, made war against God and His People, Christianity.
Since 1800, Mormonism, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses,
Christian Science and Secular Humanism, have, in fact, made war against
God and His People.
Napoleon's attempt to conquer Europe, those Nations which once were
Rome, and will be Rome again; and WW1, and Hitlers attempt (WW2) to
establish a "thousand year reign", involved all the nations of the world.
For 40 years Modern Babylon (America) sat on (dominated, manipulated and
ruled) the nations which once were Rome.
For 40 years Modern Babylon and Gog and Magog have threatened the world
with Nuclear destruction, and divided the world between themselves.
The evidence is disputable only by those who suffer from blindness and
delusion: Satan was released before 1880, and the first Three Seals have
been opened. "The Beginning of Sorrows" began in about 1900.
Mat 24:7-8, Rev 6:1-6, Rev 20:7-8 have been fulfilled in the lifetime of
those who witnessed the end of the Times of the Gentiles. Luke 21:24
Glenn
His witness
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| User: "Mikal119" |
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| Title: Re: SATAN HAS BEEN RELEASED FROM THE PIT! |
28 Jan 2008 03:55:43 PM |
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On Jan 28, 3:32 pm, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
SATAN HAS BEEN RELEASED FROM THE PIT!
Heres the order of events.
1)Beast released from abyss attacks two witnesses (Revelation11:17)
2)Satan thrown from heaven (Revelation 12:9)
3)Beast stands on shore of the sea (Revelation 13)
4)Another beast out of the earth (Revelation 13:11)
5)Beast and false prophet thrown into lake of fire (Revelation 19:20)
6)Satan bound (Revelation 20)
7)Satan released (revelation 20:7
8)Satan thrown into lake of fire (Revelation 20:10)
I suggest you stop deceiving people yourself.
Unless you want to tell me the identity of the 2 witnesses?
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| User: "Mistylein" |
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| Title: Re: SATAN HAS BEEN RELEASED FROM THE PIT! |
29 Jan 2008 03:01:20 AM |
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"Mikal119" <adravirgo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d2907c1c-f86a-4523-82f9-3e633e4840dc@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 28, 3:32 pm, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
SATAN HAS BEEN RELEASED FROM THE PIT!
Heres the order of events.
1)Beast released from abyss attacks two witnesses (Revelation11:17)
2)Satan thrown from heaven (Revelation 12:9)
3)Beast stands on shore of the sea (Revelation 13)
4)Another beast out of the earth (Revelation 13:11)
5)Beast and false prophet thrown into lake of fire (Revelation 19:20)
6)Satan bound (Revelation 20)
7)Satan released (revelation 20:7
8)Satan thrown into lake of fire (Revelation 20:10)
I suggest you stop deceiving people yourself.
Unless you want to tell me the identity of the 2 witnesses?
To Be sure those 2 are "The Old", and "The New" (Ts).
M,
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: SATAN HAS BEEN RELEASED FROM THE PIT! |
29 Jan 2008 03:50:44 AM |
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:01:20 -0800, "Mistylein"
<yardholler@charter.net> spake thusly:
"Mikal119" <adravirgo@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d2907c1c-f86a-4523-82f9-3e633e4840dc@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 28, 3:32 pm, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
SATAN HAS BEEN RELEASED FROM THE PIT!
Heres the order of events.
1)Beast released from abyss attacks two witnesses (Revelation11:17)
2)Satan thrown from heaven (Revelation 12:9)
3)Beast stands on shore of the sea (Revelation 13)
4)Another beast out of the earth (Revelation 13:11)
5)Beast and false prophet thrown into lake of fire (Revelation 19:20)
6)Satan bound (Revelation 20)
7)Satan released (revelation 20:7
8)Satan thrown into lake of fire (Revelation 20:10)
I suggest you stop deceiving people yourself.
Unless you want to tell me the identity of the 2 witnesses?
To Be sure those 2 are "The Old", and "The New" (Ts).
To be sure?! Where does the Bible say that?
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"If something in science suddenly becomes so sacrosanct
that you can't question it, then it ceases to be science",
he said. "And I really think that's what's become of
Darwinism." - Roger DeHart
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On Jan 28, 3:32 pm, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
SATAN HAS BEEN RELEASED FROM THE PIT!
Not yet.The beast comes from the pit first, then Satan gets thrown
from heaven, then the 5th angel, with the key to the abyss, locks him
in and seals him in, *then* Satan is released.
Do you know *anything* about scripture?
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28 Jan 2008 04:01:57 PM |
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Where's the part where everyone gets free ice cream? That's
essentially what I'm waiting around for...
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On Jan 28, 4:01 pm, El Guapo <natezenmas...@gmail.com> wrote:
Where's the part where everyone gets free ice cream? That's
essentially what I'm waiting around for...
False prophet!Its KEY LIME PIE!
PIE!
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On Jan 29, 1:32 am, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
SATAN HAS BEEN RELEASED FROM THE PIT!
Revelation 20:7 [KJV] "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan
shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the
nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to
gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the
sea.
[Darby] "And when the thousand years have been completed, Satan shall be
loosed from his prison, and shall go out to deceive the nations which
are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them
together to the war, whose number is as the sand of the sea.
What are the Signs (described events) which are given in this prophecy,
which will tell us "if" and "When" Satan has been loosed from his
prison, and the thousand years have been completed?
SIGNS
a) [he] shall go out to deceive the nations
b) in the four corners of the earth,
c) Gog and Magog,
d) to gather them to war,
1. Deceive
2. ALL Nations
3. Deceive Gog and Magog
4. gather them (in context, this is all nations) to war.
War
* Military
* Ideological
* Propaganda
* Economic
* Religious
Deceive; Since 1800
Deception, Delusion, Sophistry, Lies, False Doctrine or False Science;
False religion:
Mormonism, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science;
Secular Humanism;
World Council of Churches,
"It does not matter which religion/god/doctrine you believe."
Politics, Government
Capitalism; conquest of people by use of wealth, Modern Babylon
Communism; conquest of people by use of ideology, Gog and Magog
Scientific Sophistry
Geologic Gradualism; the deception that the earth is millions of years old;
Big Bang Cosmos; the lie that something could come into being with out
Cause;
Spontaneous Generation: the delusion that life came from non-life;
Evolution; that living things gave birth to things of a different kind.
Deceive All Nations
Since 1880, all the nations of the world have been deceived by the lies
of Scientific Sophistry;
All the nations of the world have been deceived by false religions which
did not exist prior to 1800;
Both Modern Babylon and Russia (Gog and Magog) have played all the
nations of the world like whores.
Gog and Magog (Russia)
Since Satan deceived Godless communism, Russia, in 1917, the Russian
government made war against God and His people.
"One branch of this party, commonly known as the Bolsheviks and headed
by Vladimir Lenin, succeeded in taking control of the country after the
toppling of the Provisional Government in the Russian Revolution of 1917."http://tinyurl.com/zw46w(Lenin)
andhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin
WAR; Since 1800
World War, War involving all the nations which once were Rome
Napoleon Bonaparte
"At the turn of the nineteenth century, over the course of little more
than a decade, the armies of France under his command fought almost
every European power and acquired control of most of continental Europe
by conquest or alliance." "Napoleon's invasion of Russia commenced On 22
June 1812."http://tinyurl.com/yn25y8
WW1
"World War I, also known as the Great War and "The War To End All Wars,"
was a global military conflict which took place primarily in Europe
between 1914 and 1918. More than nine million soldiers and civilians
died. The conflict had a decisive impact on the history of the 20th
century."
"The Allied Powers, led by France, Imperial Russia, Britain, and, from
1917 on, the United States, defeated the Central Powers, led by the
Austro-Hungarian, German, Ottoman, and Bulgarian Empires. Italy joined
the Allies in 1915, and Imperial Russia withdrew in 1917."
Campaigns and theatres of World War I
European
Balkans - Western Front - Eastern Front - Italian Front
Middle Eastern
Caucasus - Mesopotamia - Sinai and Palestine - Gallipoli - Persia
African
South-West Africa - West Africa - East Africa
Asian and Pacific
German Samoa and New Guinea - Tsingtao
Other
Atlantic Ocean - Mediterranean - Naval - Aerial
http://tinyurl.com/8una4
And see:http://tinyurl.com/29o37t
WW2
Adolf Hitlerhttp://tinyurl.com/8v799
"World War II (abbreviated WWII or WW2), or the Second World War, was a
worldwide military conflict which lasted from 1939 to 1945. World War II
was the amalgamation of two conflicts, one starting in Asia as the
Second Sino-Japanese War and the other beginning in Europe with the
Invasion of Poland."
"This global conflict split a majority of the world's nations into two
opposing camps: the Allies and the Axis. Spanning much of the globe,
World War II resulted in the deaths of over 60 million people, of which
about half were Soviet, making it the deadliest conflict in human history."
"World War II was the most widespread war in history, and countries
involved mobilized more than 100 million military personnel. Total war
erased the distinction between civil and military resources and saw the
complete mobilization of a nation's economic, industrial, and scientific
capabilities for the purposes of the war effort; nearly two-thirds of
those killed in the war were civilians. Nearly 11 million of the
civilian casualties were victims of the Holocaust, which was largely
conducted in Eastern Europe. The Holocaust was the systematic killing of
political, social and racial minorities. Six million of these victims
were Jews persecuted by the Nazis. Other victims of the Holocaust
included Roma, people with mental and physical disabilities, and other
minority groups."
"The conflict ended in an Allied victory. As a result, the United States
and Soviet Union emerged as the world's two leading superpowers, setting
the stage for the Cold War for the next 45 years. Self determination
gave rise to decolonization/independence movements in Asia and Africa,
while Europe itself began traveling the road leading to integration."
Campaigns and theatres of World War II
Europe
Poland - Phony War - Denmark & Norway - France & Benelux - Britain -
Eastern Front - North West Europe (1944-45)
Asian and Pacific
China - Pacific Ocean - South-East Asia - South West Pacific - Japan -
Manchuria
Middle East, Mediterranean and Africa
Mediterranean Sea - East Africa - North Africa - West Africa - Balkans
(1939-41) - Middle East - Yugoslavia - Madagascar - Italy
Other
Atlantic - Strategic bombing - North America - Arctic - Caribbean -
Australia
http://tinyurl.com/b5x6e
Search term:
Contemporary warshttp://tinyurl.com/2rtgva
CONCLUSION
The evidence, (fulfilled signs) indicate that Satan was released from
the pit in about 1800.
Gog and Magog was involved in every major war since about 1800, after
being invaded by Napoleon on 22 June 1812.
Russia, Gog and Magog, was deceived by Godless Communism in about 1917,
and made war against God and Christianity.http://tinyurl.com/ywm2nq
"This form of communism emerged in history as a sworn and bitter enemy
of Christianity. For its part, Christianity recognizes it as completely
alien and inimical with itself."http://tinyurl.com/2uq835
Since 1880, Evolution, Geologic Gradualism and Big Bang Therory have, in
fact, made war against God and His People, Christianity.
Since 1800, Mormonism, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses,
Christian Science and Secular Humanism, have, in fact, made war against
God and His People.
Napoleon's attempt to conquer Europe, those Nations which once were
Rome, and will be Rome again; and WW1, and Hitlers attempt (WW2) to
establish a "thousand year reign", involved all the nations of the world.
For 40 years Modern Babylon (America) sat on (dominated, manipulated and
ruled) the nations which once were Rome.
For 40 years Modern Babylon and Gog and Magog have threatened the world
with Nuclear destruction, and divided the world between themselves.
The evidence is disputable only by those who suffer from blindness and
delusion: Satan was released before 1880, and the first Three Seals have
been opened. "The Beginning of Sorrows" began in about 1900.
Mat 24:7-8, Rev 6:1-6, Rev 20:7-8 have been fulfilled in the lifetime of
those who witnessed the end of the Times of the Gentiles. Luke 21:24
Glenn
His witness
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www.thelittlebookopened.org[Key words:] "The Little Book";
Glenn McClary, servitum, gaedhealic, oldwetdog
JERRY
Yes, Satan is in the White House for another 358 days.
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29 Jan 2008 10:39:45 PM |
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"rogue" <rogue719@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
JERRY
Yes, Satan is in the White House for another 358 days.
Well, if that's what you think, you're in for a nasty surprise: Once again,
the Democrats are putting up candidates who CAN'T WIN A NATIONAL ELECTION.
If the republican candidate for president was Adolph Hitler, the Democrats
would STILL manage to nominate the one candidate out there somewhere who
couldn't beat him.
Ike
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30 Jan 2008 12:36:49 AM |
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On Jan 29, 8:39=A0pm, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."
<xeickleberrybo...@verizon.net> wrote:
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Well, if that's what you think, you're in for a nasty surprise: Once again=
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the Democrats are putting up candidates who CAN'T WIN A NATIONAL ELECTION.=
If the republican candidate for president was Adolph Hitler, the Democrats=
would STILL manage to nominate the one candidate out there somewhere who
couldn't beat him.
As a Republican I totally disagree. The next President will be
decided at the Democratic convention. I expect Obamba will win but
I'm rooting for Hillary because I want to see Bill as First Lady.
(I'm sure Bill has already figured out how he will spin it.) Besides
it will add a nice twist to the history books as this era will be
known for the revolving twin dynasties of Bush - Clinton - Bush -
Clinton.
I've seen what happens when the Republicans control the Presidency
along with both houses of Congress. I've also seen what happens when
the Democrats control the Presidency along with both houses of
Congress. Unfortunately I didn't see a difference.
JC
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30 Jan 2008 12:54:52 AM |
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"Jayne Cobb" <hsototr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8e9089bd-dd9b-4c00-bbf1-da3ab73c24bb@m34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 29, 8:39 pm, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."
<xeickleberrybo...@verizon.net> wrote:
[...]
Well, if that's what you think, you're in for a nasty surprise: Once
again,
the Democrats are putting up candidates who CAN'T WIN A NATIONAL ELECTION.
If the republican candidate for president was Adolph Hitler, the Democrats
would STILL manage to nominate the one candidate out there somewhere who
couldn't beat him.
As a Republican I totally disagree. The next President will be
decided at the Democratic convention. I expect Obamba will win but
I'm rooting for Hillary because I want to see Bill as First Lady.
(I'm sure Bill has already figured out how he will spin it.) Besides
it will add a nice twist to the history books as this era will be
known for the revolving twin dynasties of Bush - Clinton - Bush -
Clinton.
Right. Now go back and look what happened to Al Gore when they put Senator
Joe Lieberman (a noble Jew to be sure, but still a Jew) on the ticket--Al
couldn't even carry his own state of Tennesee because the "good ole' boys"
buried him.
Putting Barak or Hilly on the ticket will repeat that story all over the
country.
I've seen what happens when the Republicans control the Presidency
along with both houses of Congress. I've also seen what happens when
the Democrats control the Presidency along with both houses of
Congress. Unfortunately I didn't see a difference.
Actually, Republican or Democrat won't matter one iota: Outside of the big
cities (and maybe even INSIDE the big cities, it'll be a race/sex vote right
down the line.
Look what already happened in South Carolina. Hilly didn't have enough votes
to outscore the men together. 80% or so of blacks voted for Barak, BUT 80%
or so of whites voted for Hilly or Edwards, and that's IN the Democratic
party. Put them against the good 'ole boys in a national race and Hilly and
Barak lose every time.
Add into that the fact that neither Hilly nor Barak represent
Judeo-Christians in any meaningful way and you have a bloodbath on your
hands.
Like I said, I know you THINK America is different, but it isn't THAT
different yet.
Who knows? Maybe they'll make some noise, but I see where it's going to be a
bloodbath, if not an outright sweep across the board for the Republican
presidential candidate.
The congressional elections? Who knows? People are now more upset about the
economy than the war (which is drawing down), and the roots of the economic
problems go back to NAFTA (which caused the stagnant wages and loss of
benefits people are suffering now because they have to compete with foreign
workers for their jobs) and the softening of the rules on the Fanny Mays and
Freddie Macs--both legacies of President Bill Clinton.
That part is going to be interesting to watch, as the Democrats try to pin
it on W, and the Republicans point the finger at Bill.
Ike
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30 Jan 2008 02:02:30 AM |
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On Jan 30, 10:54 am, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."
<xeickleberrybo...@verizon.net> wrote:
"Jayne Cobb" <hsot...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8e9089bd-dd9b-4c00-bbf1-da3ab73c24bb@m34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 29, 8:39 pm, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."
<xeickleberrybo...@verizon.net> wrote:
[...]
Well, if that's what you think, you're in for a nasty surprise: Once
again,
the Democrats are putting up candidates who CAN'T WIN A NATIONAL ELECTION.
If the republican candidate for president was Adolph Hitler, the Democrats
would STILL manage to nominate the one candidate out there somewhere who
couldn't beat him.
As a Republican I totally disagree. The next President will be
decided at the Democratic convention. I expect Obamba will win but
I'm rooting for Hillary because I want to see Bill as First Lady.
(I'm sure Bill has already figured out how he will spin it.) Besides
it will add a nice twist to the history books as this era will be
known for the revolving twin dynasties of Bush - Clinton - Bush -
Clinton.
Right. Now go back and look what happened to Al Gore when they put Senator
Joe Lieberman (a noble Jew to be sure, but still a Jew) on the ticket--Al
couldn't even carry his own state of Tennesee because the "good ole' boys"
buried him.
JERRY
Yeah, Al won the election but the GOP managed to push the issue to the
conservative Supreme Court, which stopped the recounts.
When the Miami Herald finally got the ballots from Florida (after all
the legal delays that Jeb could manage) and the ballots were all
counted what they found was that had Gore gotten only the counties he
asked for in his first recount request, he still would have lost
(butterfly ballots, anyone? Anyone know how Patrick Buchanan fared so
well in precincts predominantly populated by elderly Jewish people who
hated him?) but had the entire state been recounted as originally
stated by the Supreme Court (after they stopped the recounts for
several days) Gore would have won. The fact that the GOP went to the
Supremes twice to stop the recounts and then the Supreme Court ruled
that a deadline in the Constitution that had been slipped twice
already in our history MUST be a hard-and-fast rule is what gave the
election to Bush. And lets not even talk about the shenanigans of
vote fraud in Florida.
Interesting isn't it? Republicans are all against voter fraud but
it's not the voters who are being fraudulent, it's the Republicans who
are trying to suppress the vote.
Putting Barak or Hilly on the ticket will repeat that story all over the
country.
JERRY
God, I hope so, because I don't see how Jeb can pull off the voter
fraud, the voter caging, the duplicate absentee ballots again now that
everyone is watching. Plus, the GOP vote fraud machine in Ohio is
pretty much smashed right now and Diebold machines which gave the
votes to Republicans even in heavily Democratic precincts are going to
pretty much be off the table in the next election. Expect the
counting to take a long time but when the dust clears, it's going to
be the Dems in control.
Count on it.
I've seen what happens when the Republicans control the Presidency
along with both houses of Congress. I've also seen what happens when
the Democrats control the Presidency along with both houses of
Congress. Unfortunately I didn't see a difference.
Actually, Republican or Democrat won't matter one iota: Outside of the big
cities (and maybe even INSIDE the big cities, it'll be a race/sex vote right
down the line.
Look what already happened in South Carolina. Hilly didn't have enough votes
to outscore the men together. 80% or so of blacks voted for Barak, BUT 80%
or so of whites voted for Hilly or Edwards, and that's IN the Democratic
party. Put them against the good 'ole boys in a national race and Hilly and
Barak lose every time.
Add into that the fact that neither Hilly nor Barak represent
Judeo-Christians in any meaningful way and you have a bloodbath on your
hands.
Like I said, I know you THINK America is different, but it isn't THAT
different yet.
Who knows? Maybe they'll make some noise, but I see where it's going to be a
bloodbath, if not an outright sweep across the board for the Republican
presidential candidate.
The congressional elections? Who knows? People are now more upset about the
economy than the war (which is drawing down),
JERRY
You haven't seen today's headlines? Bush is changing his mind about
drawing down the troops in Iraq and issued a signing statement on a
bill that essentially says he won't abide by a ban on permanent bases
in the Middle East.
how is THAT gonna play with the people already tired of Bush's illegal
war?
and the roots of the economic
problems go back to NAFTA (which caused the stagnant wages and loss of
benefits people are suffering now because they have to compete with foreign
workers for their jobs) and the softening of the rules on the Fanny Mays and
Freddie Macs--both legacies of President Bill Clinton.
JERRY
Well, that and the Republican-controlled Congress that wouldn't allow
an increase in the minimum wage for the 12 years they ran things. The
emphasis on trickle-down economics which has always failed because
greed expands to fill the void and sop up all the "trickle" at the
upper management level.
You won't sell the NAFTA argument to people who look at the difference
between CEO pay and their employees pay increasing every year.
In the 1950's the average CEO made about 50 times what their average
employee makes. Now, the average CEO makes 450 times what their
average employee makes. And this year will be another big year of
layoffs as companies try to protect their profits.
That part is going to be interesting to watch, as the Democrats try to pin
it on W, and the Republicans point the finger at Bill.
JERRY
I hope they do try to point the finger at Bill and Hillary as the
candidate. During Clinton's administration we had the best economy
since post WWII, and it was done after the devastation of 12 years of
Reagan-Bush.
Check your history: during times with a Democratic Congress (and
often a Dem pres but not always) the US economy has thrived. It was
the Republicans who gave us the Great Depression. It was the Dems who
gave us a New Deal and helped to promote and build a middle class.
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30 Jan 2008 10:06:15 AM |
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"rogue" <rogue719@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2d8d6f56-8b9a-4d7c-875a-eef3df96e192@f47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 30, 10:54 am, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."
<xeickleberrybo...@verizon.net> wrote:
"Jayne Cobb" <hsot...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8e9089bd-dd9b-4c00-bbf1-da3ab73c24bb@m34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 29, 8:39 pm, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."
<xeickleberrybo...@verizon.net> wrote:
[...]
Well, if that's what you think, you're in for a nasty surprise: Once
again,
the Democrats are putting up candidates who CAN'T WIN A NATIONAL
ELECTION.
If the republican candidate for president was Adolph Hitler, the
Democrats
would STILL manage to nominate the one candidate out there somewhere
who
couldn't beat him.
As a Republican I totally disagree. The next President will be
decided at the Democratic convention. I expect Obamba will win but
I'm rooting for Hillary because I want to see Bill as First Lady.
(I'm sure Bill has already figured out how he will spin it.) Besides
it will add a nice twist to the history books as this era will be
known for the revolving twin dynasties of Bush - Clinton - Bush -
Clinton.
Right. Now go back and look what happened to Al Gore when they put
Senator
Joe Lieberman (a noble Jew to be sure, but still a Jew) on the ticket--Al
couldn't even carry his own state of Tennessee because the "good ole'
boys"
buried him.
JERRY
Yeah, Al won the election but the GOP managed to push the issue to the
conservative Supreme Court, which stopped the recounts.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The same thing happened with Nixon/Kennedy, and they SHOULD have moved to
stop the recounts--machine ballots are NOT made to be read manually.
Nevertheless, if this were true (which it isn't), then the Dems need even
MORE of an advantage to win, and they've given themselves LESS of an
advantage with their present candidates.
[snip]
Look what already happened in South Carolina. Hilly didn't have enough
votes
to outscore the men together. 80% or so of blacks voted for Barak, BUT
80%
or so of whites voted for Hilly or Edwards, and that's IN the Democratic
party. Put them against the good 'ole boys in a national race and Hilly
and
Barak lose every time.
Add into that the fact that neither Hilly nor Barak represent
Judeo-Christians in any meaningful way and you have a bloodbath on your
hands.
Like I said, I know you THINK America is different, but it isn't THAT
different yet.
Who knows? Maybe they'll make some noise, but I see where it's going to
be a
bloodbath, if not an outright sweep across the board for the Republican
presidential candidate.
The congressional elections? Who knows? People are now more upset about
the
economy than the war (which is drawing down),
JERRY
You haven't seen today's headlines? Bush is changing his mind about
drawing down the troops in Iraq and issued a signing statement on a
bill that essentially says he won't abide by a ban on permanent bases
in the Middle East.
Doesn't matter: You are STILL thinking that this race will actually have
anything to do with politics, when it won't.
It'll come down to the Judeo-Christian base putting a white male in the
White Houses, all issues aside.
And that's a fact, Jack.
Ask Al.
how is THAT gonna play with the people already tired of Bush's illegal
war?
Who cares?
The Dems have changed the primary issues with their choice of candidates.
Nobody is going to CARE about the war.
and the roots of the economic
problems go back to NAFTA (which caused the stagnant wages and loss of
benefits people are suffering now because they have to compete with
foreign
workers for their jobs) and the softening of the rules on the Fanny Mays
and
Freddie Macs--both legacies of President Bill Clinton.
JERRY
Well, that and the Republican-controlled Congress that wouldn't allow
an increase in the minimum wage for the 12 years they ran things. The
emphasis on trickle-down economics which has always failed because
greed expands to fill the void and sop up all the "trickle" at the
upper management level.
Right, if Congress doesn't move to thwart it.
You won't sell the NAFTA argument to people who look at the difference
between CEO pay and their employees pay increasing every year.
Au contraire. NAFTA CAUSED the difference between the CEOs and the laborers,
as the corporations made more money by using cheap labor overseas, and the
US laborers have watched their salaries stagnate while the cost of their
benefits go through the roof.
In the 1950's the average CEO made about 50 times what their average
employee makes. Now, the average CEO makes 450 times what their
average employee makes. And this year will be another big year of
layoffs as companies try to protect their profits.
Not "as companies try to protect their profits"...as companies move their
operations overseas so they can make MORE profits, widening the divide.
And all thanks to NAFTA.
That part is going to be interesting to watch, as the Democrats try to
pin
it on W, and the Republicans point the finger at Bill.
JERRY
I hope they do try to point the finger at Bill and Hillary as the
candidate. During Clinton's administration we had the best economy
since post WWII, and it was done after the devastation of 12 years of
Reagan-Bush.
Ah, not exactly.
Economic changes take about as long to take effect as a two-term presidency.
Regan inherited the Carter economy, which took his entire tenure to fix.
Clinton inherited the Regan/Bush economy after they had made all the hard
decisions.
W inherited the Clinton economy, which quickly went down the tubes.
Now
Check your history: during times with a Democratic Congress (and
often a Dem pres but not always) the US economy has thrived.
No, YOU check your history--the economy has always thrived as a RESULT of
the previous Republican administrations policy decisions, and has declined
AFTER Democratic rule.
You keep thinking that its the decisions made BY a sitting administration
that cause economic conditions. It's the decisions made by the PREVIOUS
administration that establishes the current economic conditions.
Unfortunately, voters don't know that--they see what's happening CURRENTLY,
as if one can change the direction of economics in 4 or 8 years.
It was
the Republicans who gave us the Great Depression. It was the Dems who
gave us a New Deal and helped to promote and build a middle class.
LOL
The New Deal did more to destroy America than any other time in history.
And it was the WAR that got us out of the depression, NOT the New Deal,
which people have come to regret as it took away many essential American
freedoms and saddled us with the "entitlement state" and a broken US piggy
bank.
Ike
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From Pulpitfire
because they have to compete with foreign workers for their jobs
I don't think there's any avoiding that. Do you want to pay
$80.00 for a pair of American made shoes, when you can buy
some Chinese made shoes for $7.00? They only pay their
workers like 50 cents per hour in China. How are we going to
compete with that?
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30 Jan 2008 10:46:38 AM |
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@verizon.net> wrote in message
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From Pulpitfire
because they have to compete with foreign workers for their jobs
I don't think there's any avoiding that. Do you want to pay
$80.00 for a pair of American made shoes, when you can buy
some Chinese made shoes for $7.00? They only pay their
workers like 50 cents per hour in China. How are we going to
compete with that?
By not entering into trade agreements with nations that use what is
essentially forced slave labor to manufacture goods, prohibiting their goods
from being imported into the country, and by promoting unionism wherever the
corporations go.
Ike
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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:46:38 GMT,
in article <OR1oj.13676$8i.570@trndny09>,
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@verizon.net>
wrote:
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:sO1oj.742$4f.519@trndny08...
From Pulpitfire
because they have to compete with foreign workers for their jobs
I don't think there's any avoiding that. Do you want to pay
$80.00 for a pair of American made shoes, when you can buy
some Chinese made shoes for $7.00? They only pay their
workers like 50 cents per hour in China. How are we going to
compete with that?
By not entering into trade agreements with nations that use what is
essentially forced slave labor to manufacture goods, prohibiting their goods
from being imported into the country, and by promoting unionism wherever the
corporations go.
Ike
I thought I sent that to you in e-mail. While I'm interested
in discussing some of these issues, I'd rather keep it out of
this group, because it's off topic.
Thanks.
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up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every
thought to make it obedient to Christ. †2 Corinthians 10:5
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
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<xeickleberrybo...@verizon.net> wrote:
"rogue" <rogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
JERRY
Yes, Satan is in the White House for another 358 days.
Well, if that's what you think, you're in for a nasty surprise: Once again,
the Democrats are putting up candidates who CAN'T WIN A NATIONAL ELECTION.
If the republican candidate for president was Adolph Hitler, the Democrats
would STILL manage to nominate the one candidate out there somewhere who
couldn't beat him.
Ike
JERRY
We'll see. I'm betting it's going to be another campaign of dirty
tricks and lies from Republicans because they don't have a candidate
who can win.
I mean, let's face it, the best they have is McCain who is certifiably
batshit crazy.
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On Jan 30, 8:39 am, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."
<xeickleberrybo...@verizon.net> wrote:
"rogue" <rogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
JERRY
Yes, Satan is in the White House for another 358 days.
Well, if that's what you think, you're in for a nasty surprise: Once
again,
the Democrats are putting up candidates who CAN'T WIN A NATIONAL
ELECTION.
If the republican candidate for president was Adolph Hitler, the
Democrats
would STILL manage to nominate the one candidate out there somewhere who
couldn't beat him.
Ike
JERRY
We'll see. I'm betting it's going to be another campaign of dirty
tricks and lies from Republicans because they don't have a candidate
who can win.
I mean, let's face it, the best they have is McCain who is certifiably
batshit crazy.
Sorry, but the US can't elect a woman or a black as president, unless it
were someone REALLY outstanding and proven like Collin Powell (damn I wish
he had been run as the Vice President), and certainly not Hilly (who has too
much baggage from her past) or Barak (who is still too wet behind the ears
to have impressed anyone). (Hilly was a fool even to enter the race, and she
will cost the Democrats dearly.) And even THEN it would be a monumental
challenge for a woman or a black to win, as the conservative base will NOT
elect a woman, and the majority white states (which is most of them) will
NOT elect a black.
Sorry, but facts is facts.
Get out your electoral map. They can get elected in narrow regional contests
in large urban centers, but they'll never carry the states necessary to win
the electoral college (as the Democrats should have learned by now, the
large urban centers loosing to the heartland every time).
The vote trends in the primaries are already showing this to be true: In
conservative states, Hilly didn't carry a majority against Barak and
Edwards. Take out Barak and insert a good 'ole white boy by himself and
Hilly loses every time (which is what will happen in the national race),
ESPECIALLY if Huckabee is the Vice Presidential candidate--then McCain
carries the liberal and moderate Christian base (which he already has) and
Huckabee carries the Evangelicals (which he already has).
All other comers lose.
I know the Democrats would like to THINK that America is different now
(which is their delusion), but it isn't THAT different yet--it's STILL the
broad white majority against the urban centers. Shoot, either one will be
lucky to carry New York, Florida, or Illinois, as the "Judeo-Christian
caucasian" vote will come out in force, upending the big cities'
contributions, IF they can even carry them.
{And isn't the media avoiding this conversation.)
Ike
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<xeickleberrybo...@verizon.net> wrote:
"rogue" <rogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 30, 8:39 am, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."
<xeickleberrybo...@verizon.net> wrote:
"rogue" <rogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
JERRY
Yes, Satan is in the White House for another 358 days.
Well, if that's what you think, you're in for a nasty surprise: Once
again,
the Democrats are putting up candidates who CAN'T WIN A NATIONAL
ELECTION.
If the republican candidate for president was Adolph Hitler, the
Democrats
would STILL manage to nominate the one candidate out there somewhere who
couldn't beat him.
Ike
JERRY
We'll see. I'm betting it's going to be another campaign of dirty
tricks and lies from Republicans because they don't have a candidate
who can win.
I mean, let's face it, the best they have is McCain who is certifiably
batshit crazy.
Sorry, but the US can't elect a woman or a black as president, unless it
were someone REALLY outstanding and proven like Collin Powell (damn I wish
he had been run as the Vice President), and certainly not Hilly (who has too
much baggage from her past) or Barak (who is still too wet behind the ears
to have impressed anyone). (Hilly was a fool even to enter the race, and she
will cost the Democrats dearly.) And even THEN it would be a monumental
challenge for a woman or a black to win, as the conservative base will NOT
elect a woman, and the majority white states (which is most of them) will
NOT elect a black.
Sorry, but facts is facts.
JERRY
Sorry, I heard the same kinds of facts just prior to the 2006 midterms
about how the GOP would retain their majority.
And, I remember the same statements in 1960 about Kennedy being
unelectable because he was Catholic.
I'm a student of history. People tend to vote AGAINST a candidate or
party or issue more than they tend to vote for it. Richard Nixon
would have won in 1968 no matter his past, no matter who the Democrats
ran, because the people were so against Vietnam and the party that put
us there.
Jimmy Carter would have won against anyone in the GOP in 1976 because
of the backlash of Watergate and Nixon resigning in disgrace, and Ford
merely hurt the party by running, since he also pardoned Tricky Dicky
and many people felt that Nixon, as criminal, should have stood trial
and perhaps done jail time.
Reagan was a sure thing in 1980 because of the economic problems of
the Carter Administration (most of which were created for him by Nixon
and OPEC. Nixon took us off the gold standard, which hastened
inflation, and that problem was further exacerbated by OPEC's oil
embargo and continuing high prices.
In 1991, George H.W. Bush was so popular that no one figured he could
lose in '92 and most candidates wouldn't consider running. Clinton
came in by emphasizing that "it's the economy, stupid," and pointing
out the economic devastation on the poor and lower middle class by 12
years of Reagan's voodoo economics. Clinton easily beat Bush because
one week before the election the economic report on the previous
quarter came out showing that conditions had actually declined. At
that point, the last nail was driven into Bush's coffin.
Right now, the Bush Administration has clearly botched every single
thing they have touched, pretty much without exception.
Race and gender play less and less a role as voter confidence,
particularly among independant voters and moderate Republicans.
The Republicans can't win the independants, they can't win the
moderate Republicans who feel they have been forced out of their own
party by the social conservatives that Bush has given lip service and
prima facie priority to and the neocons who don't know what the phrase
"financial responsibility" stands for.
Get out your electoral map. They can get elected in narrow regional contests
in large urban centers, but they'll never carry the states necessary to win
the electoral college (as the Democrats should have learned by now, the
large urban centers loosing to the heartland every time).
JERRY
You need to look at what few votes the GOP can claim. They will
continue to get the so-called "Values Voters," the mindless midgets
who are exploited by the Republican Party after each election but who
keep coming back for more.
You will get the hardcore Republicans, who will be sure to come out to
vote the straight ticket like they do each election.
The rest will either stay home or vote for a third party candidate as
a protest or vote for a Democrat. The only hope the GOP has is to try
to convince Nader to run again, but last election he drew even less
than the first time (like Nader before him) and enough people are
convinced the country can't afford four more years of Republican
control.
The vote trends in the primaries are already showing this to be true: In
conservative states, Hilly didn't carry a majority against Barak and
Edwards. Take out Barak and insert a good 'ole white boy by himself and
Hilly loses every time (which is what will happen in the national race),
ESPECIALLY if Huckabee is the Vice Presidential candidate--then McCain
carries the liberal and moderate Christian base (which he already has) and
Huckabee carries the Evangelicals (which he already has).
JERRY
Huckleberry would get approximately 33% of the vote. No more. That's
the approximate percentage of social conservatives who make up the
Republican Party. Outside those few red states in the middle of the
country who would vote for Jeffrey Dahmer if he only claimed to be a
born again Christian, he doesn't poll well. He likely won't even get
the nomination.
McCain is the likely candidate since he can pull votes in places Huck
can't, but McCain has saddled himself as the nominee most supporting
the legacy and foreign policy of George W. Bush. Given the
unpopularity of Bush's war, and the general economic incompetence of
the Bush Administration, and the poor financial situation for
America's working poor, almost anyone would be a welcome relief for
the American people over another Republican.
All other comers lose.
I know the Democrats would like to THINK that America is different now
(which is their delusion), but it isn't THAT different yet--it's STILL the
broad white majority against the urban centers. Shoot, either one will be
lucky to carry New York, Florida, or Illinois, as the "Judeo-Christian
caucasian" vote will come out in force, upending the big cities'
contributions, IF they can even carry them.
JERRY
Overly-simplistic. It's not just "whites versus everyone else." The
majority of your white voters are also independent. They go where I
said before: against a candidate, party or issue that is hotbutton
for them.
And in non-white votes, the Republicans in the past have been able to
count on Hispanic voters, but the GOP's position on immigration this
year has alienated large segments of that vote who see a better
platform coming from the Dems this year.
Look how desperate Florida is: trying to bring back that tired dead
horse of an issue: The Marriage Defense Constitutional Amendment.
It's already illegal for gays to marry in Florida but by putting this
issue on the ballot, they hope to draw in those hot button issue
voters who are homophobes to get them to vote primarily for the
Republican candidate.
{And isn't the media avoiding this conversation.)
JERRY
Well, don't feel bad. I've been disappointed in the media covering so
many things over the past eight years: the lies from Bushco regarding
Iraq, the lies from Bushco regarding their infringement on the
Constitution, Jeff Gannon, Sibel Edmonds, Huckleberry's pandering to
White Power groups, the large percentage of Republicans being busted
for graft, kiddie porn, enticing children for sex, the coverup by the
Republican Party for their own in Congress (people are awfully pissed
off at the Pope for helping to hide the activities of perv priests,
how would they respond to all the stories of the GOP, the party of
Values Voters, being the party of child molesters?
And the hits just keep coming, but you don't see much in the media
about it. Wonder why that is?
Anyone who thinks that the corporate-owned media we have now is
liberal isn't paying attention.
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30 Jan 2008 09:47:04 AM |
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"rogue" <rogue719@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Race and gender play less and less a role as voter confidence,
particularly among independent voters and moderate Republicans.
Well, that's what the Dems keep saying...
....and then they keep loosing Presidential elections.
Here's a little reality check for you: How many times have New York,
Florida, Illinois, and California elected a woman or a black as governor
DESPITE the fact that their major cities are filled with women and black
representatives?
Answer.
None.
http://womenshistory.about.com/od/governors/a/governors.htm
And you think this is suddenly going to change?
I would put you in remembrance: Al Gore had Sen. Lieberman on his ticket,
and couldn't carry his own home state of Tennessee--too many "good 'ole
boys."
Mondale put Ferraro on his ticket, getting a quick boost, but lost in a
landside, almost making Ronald Regan the first unanimously elected President
since George Washington.
And the polling statistics from the primaries are showing THE SAME EXACT
TRENDS, even IN the Democratic party.
You assume too much.
Ike
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30 Jan 2008 10:42:21 AM |
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From pulpitfire:
"rogue" <rogue719@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2df20fb5-55e4-4f2a-805f-3ce22e8042b9@j78g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 30, 8:39 am, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."
<xeickleberrybo...@verizon.net> wrote:
"rogue" <rogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7c6c6f09-ee8d-4d96-a189-6b949dec523f@v29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
[snip]
JERRY
Yes, Satan is in the White House for another 358 days.
Well, if that's what you think, you're in for a nasty surprise: Once
again,
the Democrats are putting up candidates who CAN'T WIN A NATIONAL
ELECTION.
If the republican candidate for president was Adolph Hitler, the
Democrats
would STILL manage to nominate the one candidate out there somewhere who
couldn't beat him.
Ike
JERRY
We'll see. I'm betting it's going to be another campaign of dirty
tricks and lies from Republicans because they don't have a candidate
who can win.
I mean, let's face it, the best they have is McCain who is certifiably
batshit crazy.
Sorry, but the US can't elect a woman or a black as president, unless it
were someone REALLY outstanding and proven like Collin Powell (damn I wish
he had been run as the Vice President), and certainly not Hilly (who has
too much baggage from her past) or Barak (who is still too wet behind the
ears to have impressed anyone). (Hilly was a fool even to enter the race,
and she will cost the Democrats dearly.) And even THEN it would be a
monumental challenge for a woman or a black to win, as the conservative
base will NOT elect a woman, and the majority white states (which is most
of them) will NOT elect a black.
Sorry, but facts is facts.
Get out your electoral map. They can get elected in narrow regional
contests in large urban centers, but they'll never carry the states
necessary to win the electoral college (as the Democrats should have
learned by now, the large urban centers loosing to the heartland every
time).
The vote trends in the primaries are already showing this to be true: In
conservative states, Hilly didn't carry a majority against Barak and
Edwards. Take out Barak and insert a good 'ole white boy by himself and
Hilly loses every time (which is what will happen in the national race),
ESPECIALLY if Huckabee is the Vice Presidential candidate--then McCain
carries the liberal and moderate Christian base (which he already has) and
Huckabee carries the Evangelicals (which he already has).
All other comers lose.
I know the Democrats would like to THINK that America is different now
(which is their delusion), but it isn't THAT different yet--it's STILL the
broad white majority against the urban centers. Shoot, either one will be
lucky to carry New York, Florida, or Illinois, as the "Judeo-Christian
caucasian" vote will come out in force, upending the big cities'
contributions, IF they can even carry them.
{And isn't the media avoiding this conversation.)
Ike
Interesting prediction.
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30 Jan 2008 12:14:02 PM |
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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:42:21 GMT,
in article <NN1oj.13643$8i.9045@trndny09>,
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@verizon.net>
wrote:
From pulpitfire:
"rogue" <rogue719@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2df20fb5-55e4-4f2a-805f-3ce22e8042b9@j78g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 30, 8:39 am, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."
<xeickleberrybo...@verizon.net> wrote:
"rogue" <rogue...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7c6c6f09-ee8d-4d96-a189-6b949dec523f@v29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
[snip]
JERRY
Yes, Satan is in the White House for another 358 days.
Well, if that's what you think, you're in for a nasty surprise: Once
again,
the Democrats are putting up candidates who CAN'T WIN A NATIONAL
ELECTION.
If the republican candidate for president was Adolph Hitler, the
Democrats
would STILL manage to nominate the one candidate out there somewhere who
couldn't beat him.
Ike
JERRY
We'll see. I'm betting it's going to be another campaign of dirty
tricks and lies from Republicans because they don't have a candidate
who can win.
I mean, let's face it, the best they have is McCain who is certifiably
batshit crazy.
Sorry, but the US can't elect a woman or a black as president, unless it
were someone REALLY outstanding and proven like Collin Powell (damn I wish
he had been run as the Vice President), and certainly not Hilly (who has
too much baggage from her past) or Barak (who is still too wet behind the
ears to have impressed anyone). (Hilly was a fool even to enter the race,
and she will cost the Democrats dearly.) And even THEN it would be a
monumental challenge for a woman or a black to win, as the conservative
base will NOT elect a woman, and the majority white states (which is most
of them) will NOT elect a black.
Sorry, but facts is facts.
Get out your electoral map. They can get elected in narrow regional
contests in large urban centers, but they'll never carry the states
necessary to win the electoral college (as the Democrats should have
learned by now, the large urban centers loosing to the heartland every
time).
The vote trends in the primaries are already showing this to be true: In
conservative states, Hilly didn't carry a majority against Barak and
Edwards. Take out Barak and insert a good 'ole white boy by himself and
Hilly loses every time (which is what will happen in the national race),
ESPECIALLY if Huckabee is the Vice Presidential candidate--then McCain
carries the liberal and moderate Christian base (which he already has) and
Huckabee carries the Evangelicals (which he already has).
All other comers lose.
I know the Democrats would like to THINK that America is different now
(which is their delusion), but it isn't THAT different yet--it's STILL the
broad white majority against the urban centers. Shoot, either one will be
lucky to carry New York, Florida, or Illinois, as the "Judeo-Christian
caucasian" vote will come out in force, upending the big cities'
contributions, IF they can even carry them.
{And isn't the media avoiding this conversation.)
Ike
Interesting prediction.
My response to you above, was sent in e-mail, not to the
group. While I'm interested in discussing some of these
issues, this is politics, and doesn't really belong in here.
Thanks
©2007 pulpitfire.net, pulpitfire.org, pulpitfire.com
--
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself
up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every
thought to make it obedient to Christ. †2 Corinthians 10:5
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
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