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Satan was never a holy angel of God |
Satan was never a holy angel of God
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host
of them.
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field
which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God
said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
So there you have it, Satan was created a serpent, a liar right from
the start! And he was a liar right from the start, knowing good and
well God was speaking of a spiritual death, not a physical death, but
he made Eve think it was a physical death. It was the tree of the
knowledge of good and evil Eve ate from, not the tree of life! A common
ploy of Satan, to have men take spiritual things literal.
This is, of course a parable. That "serpent" in the garden was none
other than "...that OLD SERPENT, called the Devil, and Satan, which
deceives the whole world..." (Rev. 12:9). And this is the same serpent
that "deceived" Eve.
Satan entered Eden as "that Old Serpent [Satan]" and deceived Eve to
eat of the forbidden fruit. Satan didn't sneak into the garden
against God's will. He performed a needful task with our first
parents. God knew what Satan was going to do to Adam and Eve. God did
not try to prevent it. It is all part of God's master plan that
mankind know good from evil.
The idea being taught today is that God never created Satan in the
first place. That's right, Satan supposedly created himself, or at
least became Satan by himself.
But the truth is, Satan was a liar right from the start, was never a
Holy Angel of God. Jesus confirmed this great truth further by saying:
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father
ye will do. HE WAS A MURDERER FROM THE BEGINNING, and abode not in the
truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he
speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the FATHER of it.
Many say the devil used to be a Holy Angel of God, because we also read
Satan was seen falling from heaven, but Satan did not live in heaven,
he was trying to take it by force!
Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Luke 10:17-18 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord,
even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. And he (Jesus)
said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Satan tried to take heaven by force, He did not live there:
Rev 12:7 And there was WAR in heaven: Michael and HIS angels fought
against the dragon; and the dragon fought and HIS angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in
heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called
the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out
into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
His "angels" were his angels, not the Holy Angels of God! First, just
who was it that fell from heaven, and does the phrase "fallen from
heaven" prove that this person had to have been in God's throne room,
or at least in interstellar space in order for him to "fall from
heaven" therefore proving that this must be a spirit being only? No, of
course not. Here is proof from none other that Jesus:
"And you, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shall be thrust down
[from heaven] to hell [Gk: hades]" (Luke 10:15).
So here we have a whole city being thrown down from heaven to hades,
their grave. And so it is with the King of Babylon whose "pomp is
brought down to the grave" (Isa. 14:11). These two Scriptures are exact
parallel thoughts.
Lets take a look at the context of the ONE AND ONLY time the name
"Lucifer" appears in the Bible:
Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of
Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city
ceased!
Isa 14:5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the scepter
of the rulers.
Isa 14:6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he
that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
Isa 14:7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth
into singing.
Isa 14:8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon,
saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
Isa 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy
coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of
the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the
nations.
Isa 14:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become
weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy
viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
*Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the
morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the
nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the
mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like
the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the
pit.
Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and
consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble,
that did shake kingdoms;
Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities
thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory,
every one in his own house.
Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch,
and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a
sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcass trodden
under feet.
Isa 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou
hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers
shall never be renowned.
Isa 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their
fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face
of the world with cities.
Isa 14:22 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and
cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith
the LORD.
Isa 14:23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools
of water: and I will sweep it with the broom of destruction, saith the
LORD of hosts.
THE "PROVERB", OR PARABLE WAS INDEED CONCERNING A KING BABYLON!
Just what is the Hebrew word found in the manuscripts that the
translators turned into the Latin word Lucifer? It is very interesting.
All of you with a Strong's Concordance, look up this word Lucifer.
Right after the word Lucifer we are given a definition before we ever
go to the Dictionary to find the meaning. Here is what you will find:
Lucifer (lu'sif-ur) {1} Title applied to king of Babylon.
Clearly the editor of Strong's Concordance realized that this word
(whatever it means) is to be applied to the "king of Babylon," and NOT
TO SATAN THE DEVIL!
We are told that the word in question is Strong's #1966 which is
heylel, from 1984 [halal] (in the sense of brightness); the
morning-star:--Lucifer.
What a web of deceit is woven in this
"light-bringing-brightness-morning-star-Lucifer" theory. This word
"Lucifer" appears no other place in Scripture. Was Satan ever spoken of
as a "light-bringing perfect archangel"? No. What saith the Scriptures?
"And no marvel; for Satan himself is TRANSFORMED into an angel of
light" (II Cor. 11:14).
Satan is NOT an angel of light, neither has he ever been! It is the
"false apostles, DECEITFUL workers" Ver 13, that DECEIVE people into
believing lies. Satan appears as an angel of light to the world; he is
transformed into an angel of light, but it is an illusion, it is not
true, it is a deception!
Paul expels any such theory that Satan knows anything about "light":
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against
principalities, against power, against the RULERS OF THE DARKNESS of
this world" (Eph. 6:12).
"How has thou (Babylon-see context) fallen from heaven, O Shining One
(O howl)-Son of the Dawn! (Babylon conspicuous as Venus). Hewn down to
the earth, O crusher of nations."
Clearly the reference is to Babylon and none other. It was Babylon
which was exalted to heaven (as conspicuous as Venus, the brightest
star of the morning) in her wealth, power, and glory. Yet just as
Capernaum, God says she is brought down to the earth, the one who was a
"crusher of nations."
Next I will list the King James renderings of the word that is found in
the "Hebrew" texts and transliterations of its various forms in every
occurrence in the entire KJV Bible. Now you can be the judge. In all
Hebrew of Aramaic texts of Isa. 14:12, the only word found is
"heh-lehl," eill, which is a form of the Hebrew stem "yah-lahl," ill,
meaning howl. Here is Kittel's Hebrew Text for the Hebrew Stem
ill-"yah-lahl"-HOWL:
Isa. 13:6 eiliu Howl ye
Isa. 14:31 eili Howl
Isa. 15:2 iilil shall howl
Isa. 15:3 iilil shall howl
Isa. 16:7 iilil Howl
Isa. 16:7 iilil shall howl
Isa. 23:1 eililu Howl ye
Isa. 23:6 eililu Howl ye
Isa. 23:14 eililu Howl ye
Isa. 52:5 eililu make to howl
Isa. 65:14 eililu shall howl
Jer. 4:8 ueililu Howl
Jer. 25:34 eililu Howl
Jer. 47:2 ueill and shall howl
Jer. 48:20 eilili Howl
Jer. 48:31 ailil will I howl
Jer. 48:39 eililu They shall howl (Howl ye)
Jer. 49:3 eilili Howl (Howl ye)
Jer. 51:8 eililu howl
Ezek.30:2 eililu Howl ye
Hos. 7:14 iililu They howled
Joel 1:5 ueililu And howl
Joel 1:11 eililu howl
Joel 1:13 eililu And shall be howlings
Amos 8:1 ueililu and howl
Micah 1:8 uailile howl ye
Zeph. 1:11 aililu Howl
Zech.11:2 eill howl
Zech.11:2 eililu howl
Isa. 14:12 eill Lucifer (??)
I don't believe one has to be a Hebrew scholar to see at a glance
that "Lucifer" is totally out of place in this list. The meaning of
this word is clear; eill is a verb that means "HOWL", and not a noun
than can be twisted into a personal name such as "lucifer"!
Is there no end to the religious lies fostered on the Church? I assure
you there is an end, and that end may be soon in sight!
And notice carefully that the Hebrew verb eill in Isa. 14:12 is the
identical form of the first verb eill in Zech. 11:2. Now try
substituting the personal noun "Lucifer" in place of the verb "howl" in
the two places it occurs in Zech. 11:2. Here as in many Scriptures, the
trees are likened to people who are crying out because of the death and
destruction:
"Lucifer, fir tree; for the cedar is fallen; because the mighty are
spoiled: Lucifer, O ye oaks of Bashan; for the forest of the ventage is
come down."
Such a translation would be nonsense. Or let's try it back in Isa. 14
where we find the word Lucifer in verse 12, but notice how this word is
translated in verse 31:
Instead of "Howl, O gate; cry, O city..." We would have, "Lucifer, O
gate; cry, O city..."
Again, such a translation would be nonsense, as it is also nonsense in
Isa. 14:12.
Kittel in a footnote informs us that it is only the Septuagint (which,
remember, is the Greek Translation of the Hebrew Scriptures) that we
find this word ell instead of eill. This word was translated into
eospearos, which Jerome translated into Lucifer with a capital "L,"
which the King James translators carried over into English without
checking the HEBREW manuscripts, which would have solved this dilemma.
All Hebrew manuscripts have eill in Isaiah 14:12, and remember that the
Old Testament was written in Hebrew, NOT Greek or Latin!
Well, there you have it. There ain't no Lucifer who was supposedly
perfect before he supposedly turned into Satan. Lucifer is a Christian
hoax!
Christ is the true bright morning star, Satan NEVER was!
Rev 2:28 And I (Jesus) will give him the morning star (aster proinos).
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things
in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the
bright and morning star. (aster orthrinos).
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| User: "cdum" |
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17 Nov 2006 01:49:34 AM |
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"Flowerchild8245" <flowerchild8245@msn.com> wrote in message
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Satan was never a holy angel of God
Wrong; read Ezekiel 28:11-20, we all lived in the first world age.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host
of them.
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field
which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God
said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
So there you have it, Satan was created a serpent, a liar right from
the start! And he was a liar right from the start, knowing good and
well God was speaking of a spiritual death, not a physical death, but
he made Eve think it was a physical death. It was the tree of the
knowledge of good and evil Eve ate from, not the tree of life! A common
ploy of Satan, to have men take spiritual things literal.
Wrong; satan was never a serpent, he was a low life and you can't get no lower then a snake. It
was a physical death, God's days are a thousand years to us, they died before that day was over.
This is, of course a parable. That "serpent" in the garden was none
other than "...that OLD SERPENT, called the Devil, and Satan, which
deceives the whole world..." (Rev. 12:9). And this is the same serpent
that "deceived" Eve.
Satan entered Eden as "that Old Serpent [Satan]" and deceived Eve to
eat of the forbidden fruit. Satan didn't sneak into the garden
against God's will. He performed a needful task with our first
parents. God knew what Satan was going to do to Adam and Eve. God did
not try to prevent it. It is all part of God's master plan that
mankind know good from evil.
The forbidden fruit in the garden was sex.
The idea being taught today is that God never created Satan in the
first place. That's right, Satan supposedly created himself, or at
least became Satan by himself.
But the truth is, Satan was a liar right from the start, was never a
Holy Angel of God. Jesus confirmed this great truth further by saying:
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father
ye will do. HE WAS A MURDERER FROM THE BEGINNING, and abode not in the
truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he
speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the FATHER of it.
Cain was a murder and a lier from the begining and his father was satan, the scribes who had Jesus
crucified were descendents of cain.
Many say the devil used to be a Holy Angel of God, because we also read
Satan was seen falling from heaven, but Satan did not live in heaven,
he was trying to take it by force!
Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Luke 10:17-18 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord,
even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. And he (Jesus)
said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Satan tried to take heaven by force, He did not live there:
Rev 12:7 And there was WAR in heaven: Michael and HIS angels fought
against the dragon; and the dragon fought and HIS angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in
heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called
the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out
into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
That has not happened yet, thats the sixth seal, it will happen within 12 years. satan is in
heaven at the moment, locked up.
His "angels" were his angels, not the Holy Angels of God! First, just
who was it that fell from heaven, and does the phrase "fallen from
heaven" prove that this person had to have been in God's throne room,
or at least in interstellar space in order for him to "fall from
heaven" therefore proving that this must be a spirit being only? No, of
course not. Here is proof from none other that Jesus:
They were all God's angels, but a third followed satan in the rebelion and caused the first world
age to end.
"And you, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shall be thrust down
[from heaven] to hell [Gk: hades]" (Luke 10:15).
So here we have a whole city being thrown down from heaven to hades,
their grave. And so it is with the King of Babylon whose "pomp is
brought down to the grave" (Isa. 14:11). These two Scriptures are exact
parallel thoughts.
Lets take a look at the context of the ONE AND ONLY time the name
"Lucifer" appears in the Bible:
Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of
Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city
ceased!
Isa 14:5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the scepter
of the rulers.
Isa 14:6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he
that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
Isa 14:7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth
into singing.
Isa 14:8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon,
saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
Isa 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy
coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of
the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the
nations.
Isa 14:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become
weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy
viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
*Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the
morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the
nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the
mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like
the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the
pit.
Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and
consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble,
that did shake kingdoms;
Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities
thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory,
every one in his own house.
Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch,
and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a
sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcass trodden
under feet.
Isa 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou
hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers
shall never be renowned.
Isa 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their
fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face
of the world with cities.
Isa 14:22 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and
cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith
the LORD.
Isa 14:23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools
of water: and I will sweep it with the broom of destruction, saith the
LORD of hosts.
THE "PROVERB", OR PARABLE WAS INDEED CONCERNING A KING BABYLON!
Just what is the Hebrew word found in the manuscripts that the
translators turned into the Latin word Lucifer? It is very interesting.
All of you with a Strong's Concordance, look up this word Lucifer.
Right after the word Lucifer we are given a definition before we ever
go to the Dictionary to find the meaning. Here is what you will find:
Lucifer (lu'sif-ur) {1} Title applied to king of Babylon.
Clearly the editor of Strong's Concordance realized that this word
(whatever it means) is to be applied to the "king of Babylon," and NOT
TO SATAN THE DEVIL!
We are told that the word in question is Strong's #1966 which is
heylel, from 1984 [halal] (in the sense of brightness); the
morning-star:--Lucifer.
What a web of deceit is woven in this
"light-bringing-brightness-morning-star-Lucifer" theory. This word
"Lucifer" appears no other place in Scripture. Was Satan ever spoken of
as a "light-bringing perfect archangel"? No. What saith the Scriptures?
satan calls himself many names, Lucifer is a name he stole from Jesus, the real bright morning
star, Christ is a name he will use when he is thrown out of heaven and appears on earth, but he will
be the antichrist and only the saints will know. The king of babylon is also one off his names,
babylon means confusion, you'd better study and get out of confusion, confusion will be destroyed
when Christ returns.
"And no marvel; for Satan himself is TRANSFORMED into an angel of
light" (II Cor. 11:14).
Satan is NOT an angel of light, neither has he ever been! It is the
"false apostles, DECEITFUL workers" Ver 13, that DECEIVE people into
believing lies. Satan appears as an angel of light to the world; he is
transformed into an angel of light, but it is an illusion, it is not
true, it is a deception!
Paul expels any such theory that Satan knows anything about "light":
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against
principalities, against power, against the RULERS OF THE DARKNESS of
this world" (Eph. 6:12).
"How has thou (Babylon-see context) fallen from heaven, O Shining One
(O howl)-Son of the Dawn! (Babylon conspicuous as Venus). Hewn down to
the earth, O crusher of nations."
Clearly the reference is to Babylon and none other. It was Babylon
which was exalted to heaven (as conspicuous as Venus, the brightest
star of the morning) in her wealth, power, and glory. Yet just as
Capernaum, God says she is brought down to the earth, the one who was a
"crusher of nations."
Next I will list the King James renderings of the word that is found in
the "Hebrew" texts and transliterations of its various forms in every
occurrence in the entire KJV Bible. Now you can be the judge. In all
Hebrew of Aramaic texts of Isa. 14:12, the only word found is
"heh-lehl," eill, which is a form of the Hebrew stem "yah-lahl," ill,
meaning howl. Here is Kittel's Hebrew Text for the Hebrew Stem
ill-"yah-lahl"-HOWL:
Isa. 13:6 eiliu Howl ye
Isa. 14:31 eili Howl
Isa. 15:2 iilil shall howl
Isa. 15:3 iilil shall howl
Isa. 16:7 iilil Howl
Isa. 16:7 iilil shall howl
Isa. 23:1 eililu Howl ye
Isa. 23:6 eililu Howl ye
Isa. 23:14 eililu Howl ye
Isa. 52:5 eililu make to howl
Isa. 65:14 eililu shall howl
Jer. 4:8 ueililu Howl
Jer. 25:34 eililu Howl
Jer. 47:2 ueill and shall howl
Jer. 48:20 eilili Howl
Jer. 48:31 ailil will I howl
Jer. 48:39 eililu They shall howl (Howl ye)
Jer. 49:3 eilili Howl (Howl ye)
Jer. 51:8 eililu howl
Ezek.30:2 eililu Howl ye
Hos. 7:14 iililu They howled
Joel 1:5 ueililu And howl
Joel 1:11 eililu howl
Joel 1:13 eililu And shall be howlings
Amos 8:1 ueililu and howl
Micah 1:8 uailile howl ye
Zeph. 1:11 aililu Howl
Zech.11:2 eill howl
Zech.11:2 eililu howl
Isa. 14:12 eill Lucifer (??)
I don't believe one has to be a Hebrew scholar to see at a glance
that "Lucifer" is totally out of place in this list. The meaning of
this word is clear; eill is a verb that means "HOWL", and not a noun
than can be twisted into a personal name such as "lucifer"!
Is there no end to the religious lies fostered on the Church? I assure
you there is an end, and that end may be soon in sight!
And notice carefully that the Hebrew verb eill in Isa. 14:12 is the
identical form of the first verb eill in Zech. 11:2. Now try
substituting the personal noun "Lucifer" in place of the verb "howl" in
the two places it occurs in Zech. 11:2. Here as in many Scriptures, the
trees are likened to people who are crying out because of the death and
destruction:
"Lucifer, fir tree; for the cedar is fallen; because the mighty are
spoiled: Lucifer, O ye oaks of Bashan; for the forest of the ventage is
come down."
Such a translation would be nonsense. Or let's try it back in Isa. 14
where we find the word Lucifer in verse 12, but notice how this word is
translated in verse 31:
Instead of "Howl, O gate; cry, O city..." We would have, "Lucifer, O
gate; cry, O city..."
Again, such a translation would be nonsense, as it is also nonsense in
Isa. 14:12.
Kittel in a footnote informs us that it is only the Septuagint (which,
remember, is the Greek Translation of the Hebrew Scriptures) that we
find this word ell instead of eill. This word was translated into
eospearos, which Jerome translated into Lucifer with a capital "L,"
which the King James translators carried over into English without
checking the HEBREW manuscripts, which would have solved this dilemma.
All Hebrew manuscripts have eill in Isaiah 14:12, and remember that the
Old Testament was written in Hebrew, NOT Greek or Latin!
Well, there you have it. There ain't no Lucifer who was supposedly
perfect before he supposedly turned into Satan. Lucifer is a Christian
hoax!
Wrong.
Christ is the true bright morning star, Satan NEVER was!
Rev 2:28 And I (Jesus) will give him the morning star (aster proinos).
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things
in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the
bright and morning star. (aster orthrinos).
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| User: "Qadosh Stephanos" |
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| Title: Re: Satan was never a holy angel of God |
17 Nov 2006 08:55:26 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:49:34 GMT, "cdum" <cdumont@telusplanet.net>
wrote:
The forbidden fruit in the garden was sex.
Queer people think "Be fruitful and multiply" is an oxymoron.
Unfortunately that is what is written all throughout Genesis.
Genesis 1:27-28 (KJV)
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he
him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God
said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth,
and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over
the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the
earth.
Maybe you should consider becoming a Catholic priest?
Maybe you are one already. Don't masturbate in public.
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| User: "cdum" |
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18 Nov 2006 12:16:49 AM |
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"Qadosh Stephanos" <qadosh.stephanos@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:49:34 GMT, "cdum" <cdumont@telusplanet.net>
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The forbidden fruit in the garden was sex.
Queer people think "Be fruitful and multiply" is an oxymoron.
Unfortunately that is what is written all throughout Genesis.
Genesis 1:27-28 (KJV)
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he
him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God
said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth,
and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over
the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the
earth.
Maybe you should consider becoming a Catholic priest?
Maybe you are one already. Don't masturbate in public.
Mankind was recreated on the sixth day as is written above,I was writting about Adam and Eve who
were created on the eight day, two thousand years later.You must study and get off the bottle.
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18 Nov 2006 09:23:20 AM |
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On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 06:16:49 GMT, "cdum" <cdumont@telusplanet.net>
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"Qadosh Stephanos" <qadosh.stephanos@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:49:34 GMT, "cdum" <cdumont@telusplanet.net>
wrote:
The forbidden fruit in the garden was sex.
Queer people think "Be fruitful and multiply" is an oxymoron.
Unfortunately that is what is written all throughout Genesis.
Genesis 1:27-28 (KJV)
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he
him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God
said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth,
and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over
the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the
earth.
Maybe you should consider becoming a Catholic priest?
Maybe you are one already. Don't masturbate in public.
Mankind was recreated on the sixth day as is written above,I was writting about Adam and Eve who
were created on the eight day, two thousand years later.You must study and get off the bottle.
Baby's are the result of sex. Bottles are for containing liquids.
The breast bottle is a recent invention. It is unnatural breasts.
The book says there were two creations. The eight day is missing.
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17 Nov 2006 07:31:23 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:49:34 GMT, while bungee jumping, "cdum"
<cdumont@telusplanet.net> shouted thusly:
"Flowerchild8245" <flowerchild8245@msn.com> wrote in message
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Satan was never a holy angel of God
Wrong; read Ezekiel 28:11-20, we all lived in the first world age.
That is about the King of Tyre, not Satan.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host
of them.
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field
which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God
said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
So there you have it, Satan was created a serpent, a liar right from
the start! And he was a liar right from the start, knowing good and
well God was speaking of a spiritual death, not a physical death, but
he made Eve think it was a physical death. It was the tree of the
knowledge of good and evil Eve ate from, not the tree of life! A common
ploy of Satan, to have men take spiritual things literal.
Wrong; satan was never a serpent, he was a low life and you can't get no lower then a snake. It
was a physical death, God's days are a thousand years to us, they died before that day was over.
According to the Bible, Satan took the form of a serpent
that day.
This is, of course a parable. That "serpent" in the garden was none
other than "...that OLD SERPENT, called the Devil, and Satan, which
deceives the whole world..." (Rev. 12:9). And this is the same serpent
that "deceived" Eve.
Satan entered Eden as "that Old Serpent [Satan]" and deceived Eve to
eat of the forbidden fruit. Satan didn't sneak into the garden
against God's will. He performed a needful task with our first
parents. God knew what Satan was going to do to Adam and Eve. God did
not try to prevent it. It is all part of God's master plan that
mankind know good from evil.
The forbidden fruit in the garden was sex.
Nowhere does the Bible say that.
The idea being taught today is that God never created Satan in the
first place. That's right, Satan supposedly created himself, or at
least became Satan by himself.
But the truth is, Satan was a liar right from the start, was never a
Holy Angel of God. Jesus confirmed this great truth further by saying:
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father
ye will do. HE WAS A MURDERER FROM THE BEGINNING, and abode not in the
truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he
speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the FATHER of it.
Cain was a murder and a lier from the begining and his father was satan, the scribes who had Jesus
crucified were descendents of cain.
Cain's father was Adam. You are making things up
as you go.
Many say the devil used to be a Holy Angel of God, because we also read
Satan was seen falling from heaven, but Satan did not live in heaven,
he was trying to take it by force!
Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Luke 10:17-18 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord,
even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. And he (Jesus)
said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Satan tried to take heaven by force, He did not live there:
Rev 12:7 And there was WAR in heaven: Michael and HIS angels fought
against the dragon; and the dragon fought and HIS angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in
heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called
the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out
into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
That has not happened yet, thats the sixth seal, it will happen within 12 years. satan is in
heaven at the moment, locked up.
More predictions from the end timers. And 12 years from now,
when it doesn't happen, what will you say?
His "angels" were his angels, not the Holy Angels of God! First, just
who was it that fell from heaven, and does the phrase "fallen from
heaven" prove that this person had to have been in God's throne room,
or at least in interstellar space in order for him to "fall from
heaven" therefore proving that this must be a spirit being only? No, of
course not. Here is proof from none other that Jesus:
They were all God's angels, but a third followed satan in the rebelion and caused the first world
age to end.
The Bible does not say, "first world age".
"And you, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shall be thrust down
[from heaven] to hell [Gk: hades]" (Luke 10:15).
So here we have a whole city being thrown down from heaven to hades,
their grave. And so it is with the King of Babylon whose "pomp is
brought down to the grave" (Isa. 14:11). These two Scriptures are exact
parallel thoughts.
Lets take a look at the context of the ONE AND ONLY time the name
"Lucifer" appears in the Bible:
Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of
Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city
ceased!
Isa 14:5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the scepter
of the rulers.
Isa 14:6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he
that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
Isa 14:7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth
into singing.
Isa 14:8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon,
saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
Isa 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy
coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of
the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the
nations.
Isa 14:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become
weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy
viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
*Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the
morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the
nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the
mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like
the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the
pit.
Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and
consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble,
that did shake kingdoms;
Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities
thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory,
every one in his own house.
Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch,
and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a
sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcass trodden
under feet.
Isa 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou
hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers
shall never be renowned.
Isa 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their
fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face
of the world with cities.
Isa 14:22 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and
cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith
the LORD.
Isa 14:23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools
of water: and I will sweep it with the broom of destruction, saith the
LORD of hosts.
THE "PROVERB", OR PARABLE WAS INDEED CONCERNING A KING BABYLON!
Just what is the Hebrew word found in the manuscripts that the
translators turned into the Latin word Lucifer? It is very interesting.
All of you with a Strong's Concordance, look up this word Lucifer.
Right after the word Lucifer we are given a definition before we ever
go to the Dictionary to find the meaning. Here is what you will find:
Lucifer (lu'sif-ur) {1} Title applied to king of Babylon.
Clearly the editor of Strong's Concordance realized that this word
(whatever it means) is to be applied to the "king of Babylon," and NOT
TO SATAN THE DEVIL!
We are told that the word in question is Strong's #1966 which is
heylel, from 1984 [halal] (in the sense of brightness); the
morning-star:--Lucifer.
What a web of deceit is woven in this
"light-bringing-brightness-morning-star-Lucifer" theory. This word
"Lucifer" appears no other place in Scripture. Was Satan ever spoken of
as a "light-bringing perfect archangel"? No. What saith the Scriptures?
satan calls himself many names, Lucifer is a name he stole from Jesus, the real bright morning
star, Christ is a name he will use when he is thrown out of heaven and appears on earth, but he will
be the antichrist and only the saints will know. The king of babylon is also one off his names,
babylon means confusion, you'd better study and get out of confusion, confusion will be destroyed
when Christ returns.
There was a King of Babylon. He was not Satan.
"And no marvel; for Satan himself is TRANSFORMED into an angel of
light" (II Cor. 11:14).
Satan is NOT an angel of light, neither has he ever been! It is the
"false apostles, DECEITFUL workers" Ver 13, that DECEIVE people into
believing lies. Satan appears as an angel of light to the world; he is
transformed into an angel of light, but it is an illusion, it is not
true, it is a deception!
Paul expels any such theory that Satan knows anything about "light":
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against
principalities, against power, against the RULERS OF THE DARKNESS of
this world" (Eph. 6:12).
"How has thou (Babylon-see context) fallen from heaven, O Shining One
(O howl)-Son of the Dawn! (Babylon conspicuous as Venus). Hewn down to
the earth, O crusher of nations."
Clearly the reference is to Babylon and none other. It was Babylon
which was exalted to heaven (as conspicuous as Venus, the brightest
star of the morning) in her wealth, power, and glory. Yet just as
Capernaum, God says she is brought down to the earth, the one who was a
"crusher of nations."
Next I will list the King James renderings of the word that is found in
the "Hebrew" texts and transliterations of its various forms in every
occurrence in the entire KJV Bible. Now you can be the judge. In all
Hebrew of Aramaic texts of Isa. 14:12, the only word found is
"heh-lehl," eill, which is a form of the Hebrew stem "yah-lahl," ill,
meaning howl. Here is Kittel's Hebrew Text for the Hebrew Stem
ill-"yah-lahl"-HOWL:
Isa. 13:6 eiliu Howl ye
Isa. 14:31 eili Howl
Isa. 15:2 iilil shall howl
Isa. 15:3 iilil shall howl
Isa. 16:7 iilil Howl
Isa. 16:7 iilil shall howl
Isa. 23:1 eililu Howl ye
Isa. 23:6 eililu Howl ye
Isa. 23:14 eililu Howl ye
Isa. 52:5 eililu make to howl
Isa. 65:14 eililu shall howl
Jer. 4:8 ueililu Howl
Jer. 25:34 eililu Howl
Jer. 47:2 ueill and shall howl
Jer. 48:20 eilili Howl
Jer. 48:31 ailil will I howl
Jer. 48:39 eililu They shall howl (Howl ye)
Jer. 49:3 eilili Howl (Howl ye)
Jer. 51:8 eililu howl
Ezek.30:2 eililu Howl ye
Hos. 7:14 iililu They howled
Joel 1:5 ueililu And howl
Joel 1:11 eililu howl
Joel 1:13 eililu And shall be howlings
Amos 8:1 ueililu and howl
Micah 1:8 uailile howl ye
Zeph. 1:11 aililu Howl
Zech.11:2 eill howl
Zech.11:2 eililu howl
Isa. 14:12 eill Lucifer (??)
I don't believe one has to be a Hebrew scholar to see at a glance
that "Lucifer" is totally out of place in this list. The meaning of
this word is clear; eill is a verb that means "HOWL", and not a noun
than can be twisted into a personal name such as "lucifer"!
Is there no end to the religious lies fostered on the Church? I assure
you there is an end, and that end may be soon in sight!
And notice carefully that the Hebrew verb eill in Isa. 14:12 is the
identical form of the first verb eill in Zech. 11:2. Now try
substituting the personal noun "Lucifer" in place of the verb "howl" in
the two places it occurs in Zech. 11:2. Here as in many Scriptures, the
trees are likened to people who are crying out because of the death and
destruction:
"Lucifer, fir tree; for the cedar is fallen; because the mighty are
spoiled: Lucifer, O ye oaks of Bashan; for the forest of the ventage is
come down."
Such a translation would be nonsense. Or let's try it back in Isa. 14
where we find the word Lucifer in verse 12, but notice how this word is
translated in verse 31:
Instead of "Howl, O gate; cry, O city..." We would have, "Lucifer, O
gate; cry, O city..."
Again, such a translation would be nonsense, as it is also nonsense in
Isa. 14:12.
Kittel in a footnote informs us that it is only the Septuagint (which,
remember, is the Greek Translation of the Hebrew Scriptures) that we
find this word ell instead of eill. This word was translated into
eospearos, which Jerome translated into Lucifer with a capital "L,"
which the King James translators carried over into English without
checking the HEBREW manuscripts, which would have solved this dilemma.
All Hebrew manuscripts have eill in Isaiah 14:12, and remember that the
Old Testament was written in Hebrew, NOT Greek or Latin!
Well, there you have it. There ain't no Lucifer who was supposedly
perfect before he supposedly turned into Satan. Lucifer is a Christian
hoax!
Wrong.
That isn't a refutation.
Christ is the true bright morning star, Satan NEVER was!
Rev 2:28 And I (Jesus) will give him the morning star (aster proinos).
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things
in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the
bright and morning star. (aster orthrinos).
--
Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
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"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."
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"Azaliah" <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:49:34 GMT, while bungee jumping, "cdum"
<cdumont@telusplanet.net> shouted thusly:
"Flowerchild8245" <flowerchild8245@msn.com> wrote in message
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Satan was never a holy angel of God
Wrong; read Ezekiel 28:11-20, we all lived in the first world age.
That is about the King of Tyre, not Satan.
Was King Tyre in the garden of Eden? NOT. Tyre means rock, Christ is my rock, satan wants to be
Christ.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host
of them.
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field
which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God
said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
So there you have it, Satan was created a serpent, a liar right from
the start! And he was a liar right from the start, knowing good and
well God was speaking of a spiritual death, not a physical death, but
he made Eve think it was a physical death. It was the tree of the
knowledge of good and evil Eve ate from, not the tree of life! A common
ploy of Satan, to have men take spiritual things literal.
Wrong; satan was never a serpent, he was a low life and you can't get no lower then a snake.
It
was a physical death, God's days are a thousand years to us, they died before that day was over.
According to the Bible, Satan took the form of a serpent
that day.
A serpent is just a figure of speech for a low life.
This is, of course a parable. That "serpent" in the garden was none
other than "...that OLD SERPENT, called the Devil, and Satan, which
deceives the whole world..." (Rev. 12:9). And this is the same serpent
that "deceived" Eve.
Satan entered Eden as "that Old Serpent [Satan]" and deceived Eve to
eat of the forbidden fruit. Satan didn't sneak into the garden
against God's will. He performed a needful task with our first
parents. God knew what Satan was going to do to Adam and Eve. God did
not try to prevent it. It is all part of God's master plan that
mankind know good from evil.
The forbidden fruit in the garden was sex.
Nowhere does the Bible say that.
It does in the Scriptures, remember the Bible is a translation of the Scriptures.
The idea being taught today is that God never created Satan in the
first place. That's right, Satan supposedly created himself, or at
least became Satan by himself.
But the truth is, Satan was a liar right from the start, was never a
Holy Angel of God. Jesus confirmed this great truth further by saying:
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father
ye will do. HE WAS A MURDERER FROM THE BEGINNING, and abode not in the
truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he
speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the FATHER of it.
Cain was a murder and a lier from the begining and his father was satan, the scribes who had
Jesus
crucified were descendents of cain.
Cain's father was Adam. You are making things up
as you go.
Cain and Able were twins from different fathers, Cains father was satan, his descendents are still
with us today.Rev.2:9 and Rev.3:9. Joshua was suppose to destroy them all but he did not, one tribe
was inslaved to help the Priests, they slowly took over.
Many say the devil used to be a Holy Angel of God, because we also read
Satan was seen falling from heaven, but Satan did not live in heaven,
he was trying to take it by force!
Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Luke 10:17-18 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord,
even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. And he (Jesus)
said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Satan tried to take heaven by force, He did not live there:
Rev 12:7 And there was WAR in heaven: Michael and HIS angels fought
against the dragon; and the dragon fought and HIS angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in
heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called
the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out
into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
That has not happened yet, thats the sixth seal, it will happen within 12 years. satan is in
heaven at the moment, locked up.
More predictions from the end timers. And 12 years from now,
when it doesn't happen, what will you say?
It is written it will happen.
His "angels" were his angels, not the Holy Angels of God! First, just
who was it that fell from heaven, and does the phrase "fallen from
heaven" prove that this person had to have been in God's throne room,
or at least in interstellar space in order for him to "fall from
heaven" therefore proving that this must be a spirit being only? No, of
course not. Here is proof from none other that Jesus:
They were all God's angels, but a third followed satan in the rebelion and caused the first
world
age to end.
The Bible does not say, "first world age".
It does many places, satan was sentence to die in the first world age, Ezekiel 28, those of us who
fought on the side of God in the rebelion.Jer.4:19-28. were also judged Rom.8:29-30, those are the
saints, the elects, the first fruits, happy are those who took part in the first resurection, the
second death has no part for them.God bless
"And you, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shall be thrust down
[from heaven] to hell [Gk: hades]" (Luke 10:15).
So here we have a whole city being thrown down from heaven to hades,
their grave. And so it is with the King of Babylon whose "pomp is
brought down to the grave" (Isa. 14:11). These two Scriptures are exact
parallel thoughts.
Lets take a look at the context of the ONE AND ONLY time the name
"Lucifer" appears in the Bible:
Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of
Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city
ceased!
Isa 14:5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the scepter
of the rulers.
Isa 14:6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he
that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
Isa 14:7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth
into singing.
Isa 14:8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon,
saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
Isa 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy
coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of
the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the
nations.
Isa 14:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become
weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy
viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
*Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the
morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the
nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the
mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like
the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the
pit.
Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and
consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble,
that did shake kingdoms;
Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities
thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory,
every one in his own house.
Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch,
and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a
sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcass trodden
under feet.
Isa 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou
hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers
shall never be renowned.
Isa 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their
fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face
of the world with cities.
Isa 14:22 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and
cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith
the LORD.
Isa 14:23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools
of water: and I will sweep it with the broom of destruction, saith the
LORD of hosts.
THE "PROVERB", OR PARABLE WAS INDEED CONCERNING A KING BABYLON!
Just what is the Hebrew word found in the manuscripts that the
translators turned into the Latin word Lucifer? It is very interesting.
All of you with a Strong's Concordance, look up this word Lucifer.
Right after the word Lucifer we are given a definition before we ever
go to the Dictionary to find the meaning. Here is what you will find:
Lucifer (lu'sif-ur) {1} Title applied to king of Babylon.
Clearly the editor of Strong's Concordance realized that this word
(whatever it means) is to be applied to the "king of Babylon," and NOT
TO SATAN THE DEVIL!
We are told that the word in question is Strong's #1966 which is
heylel, from 1984 [halal] (in the sense of brightness); the
morning-star:--Lucifer.
What a web of deceit is woven in this
"light-bringing-brightness-morning-star-Lucifer" theory. This word
"Lucifer" appears no other place in Scripture. Was Satan ever spoken of
as a "light-bringing perfect archangel"? No. What saith the Scriptures?
satan calls himself many names, Lucifer is a name he stole from Jesus, the real bright morning
star, Christ is a name he will use when he is thrown out of heaven and appears on earth, but he
will
be the antichrist and only the saints will know. The king of babylon is also one off his names,
babylon means confusion, you'd better study and get out of confusion, confusion will be destroyed
when Christ returns.
There was a King of Babylon. He was not Satan.
"And no marvel; for Satan himself is TRANSFORMED into an angel of
light" (II Cor. 11:14).
Satan is NOT an angel of light, neither has he ever been! It is the
"false apostles, DECEITFUL workers" Ver 13, that DECEIVE people into
believing lies. Satan appears as an angel of light to the world; he is
transformed into an angel of light, but it is an illusion, it is not
true, it is a deception!
Paul expels any such theory that Satan knows anything about "light":
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against
principalities, against power, against the RULERS OF THE DARKNESS of
this world" (Eph. 6:12).
"How has thou (Babylon-see context) fallen from heaven, O Shining One
(O howl)-Son of the Dawn! (Babylon conspicuous as Venus). Hewn down to
the earth, O crusher of nations."
Clearly the reference is to Babylon and none other. It was Babylon
which was exalted to heaven (as conspicuous as Venus, the brightest
star of the morning) in her wealth, power, and glory. Yet just as
Capernaum, God says she is brought down to the earth, the one who was a
"crusher of nations."
Next I will list the King James renderings of the word that is found in
the "Hebrew" texts and transliterations of its various forms in every
occurrence in the entire KJV Bible. Now you can be the judge. In all
Hebrew of Aramaic texts of Isa. 14:12, the only word found is
"heh-lehl," eill, which is a form of the Hebrew stem "yah-lahl," ill,
meaning howl. Here is Kittel's Hebrew Text for the Hebrew Stem
ill-"yah-lahl"-HOWL:
Isa. 13:6 eiliu Howl ye
Isa. 14:31 eili Howl
Isa. 15:2 iilil shall howl
Isa. 15:3 iilil shall howl
Isa. 16:7 iilil Howl
Isa. 16:7 iilil shall howl
Isa. 23:1 eililu Howl ye
Isa. 23:6 eililu Howl ye
Isa. 23:14 eililu Howl ye
Isa. 52:5 eililu make to howl
Isa. 65:14 eililu shall howl
Jer. 4:8 ueililu Howl
Jer. 25:34 eililu Howl
Jer. 47:2 ueill and shall howl
Jer. 48:20 eilili Howl
Jer. 48:31 ailil will I howl
Jer. 48:39 eililu They shall howl (Howl ye)
Jer. 49:3 eilili Howl (Howl ye)
Jer. 51:8 eililu howl
Ezek.30:2 eililu Howl ye
Hos. 7:14 iililu They howled
Joel 1:5 ueililu And howl
Joel 1:11 eililu howl
Joel 1:13 eililu And shall be howlings
Amos 8:1 ueililu and howl
Micah 1:8 uailile howl ye
Zeph. 1:11 aililu Howl
Zech.11:2 eill howl
Zech.11:2 eililu howl
Isa. 14:12 eill Lucifer (??)
I don't believe one has to be a Hebrew scholar to see at a glance
that "Lucifer" is totally out of place in this list. The meaning of
this word is clear; eill is a verb that means "HOWL", and not a noun
than can be twisted into a personal name such as "lucifer"!
Is there no end to the religious lies fostered on the Church? I assure
you there is an end, and that end may be soon in sight!
And notice carefully that the Hebrew verb eill in Isa. 14:12 is the
identical form of the first verb eill in Zech. 11:2. Now try
substituting the personal noun "Lucifer" in place of the verb "howl" in
the two places it occurs in Zech. 11:2. Here as in many Scriptures, the
trees are likened to people who are crying out because of the death and
destruction:
"Lucifer, fir tree; for the cedar is fallen; because the mighty are
spoiled: Lucifer, O ye oaks of Bashan; for the forest of the ventage is
come down."
Such a translation would be nonsense. Or let's try it back in Isa. 14
where we find the word Lucifer in verse 12, but notice how this word is
translated in verse 31:
Instead of "Howl, O gate; cry, O city..." We would have, "Lucifer, O
gate; cry, O city..."
Again, such a translation would be nonsense, as it is also nonsense in
Isa. 14:12.
Kittel in a footnote informs us that it is only the Septuagint (which,
remember, is the Greek Translation of the Hebrew Scriptures) that we
find this word ell instead of eill. This word was translated into
eospearos, which Jerome translated into Lucifer with a capital "L,"
which the King James translators carried over into English without
checking the HEBREW manuscripts, which would have solved this dilemma.
All Hebrew manuscripts have eill in Isaiah 14:12, and remember that the
Old Testament was written in Hebrew, NOT Greek or Latin!
Well, there you have it. There ain't no Lucifer who was supposedly
perfect before he supposedly turned into Satan. Lucifer is a Christian
hoax!
Wrong.
That isn't a refutation.
Christ is the true bright morning star, Satan NEVER was!
Rev 2:28 And I (Jesus) will give him the morning star (aster proinos).
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things
in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the
bright and morning star. (aster orthrinos).
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On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 07:14:57 GMT, while bungee jumping, "cdum"
<cdumont@telusplanet.net> shouted thusly:
Wrong; read Ezekiel 28:11-20, we all lived in the first world age.
That is about the King of Tyre, not Satan.
Was King Tyre in the garden of Eden? NOT. Tyre means rock, Christ is my rock, satan wants to be
Christ.
You need to stop reading Scripture so literally.
According to the Bible, Satan took the form of a serpent
that day.
A serpent is just a figure of speech for a low life.
That's your opinion about Gen 3.
The forbidden fruit in the garden was sex.
Nowhere does the Bible say that.
It does in the Scriptures, remember the Bible is a translation of the Scriptures.
In other words, you can't prove your claim. There is nowhere
in the Hebrew that says that it was sex. You're full of crap!
We're done. All you're doing, is making claims and then
when challenged, you think claiming it again proves you
were right the first time you claimed it.
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Azaliah wrote:
On Sat, 18 Nov 2006 07:14:57 GMT, while bungee jumping, "cdum"
<cdumont@telusplanet.net> shouted thusly:
Wrong; read Ezekiel 28:11-20, we all lived in the first world age.
That is about the King of Tyre, not Satan.
Was King Tyre in the garden of Eden? NOT. Tyre means rock, Christ is my rock, satan wants to be
Christ.
You need to stop reading Scripture so literally.
According to the Bible, Satan took the form of a serpent
that day.
A serpent is just a figure of speech for a low life.
That's your opinion about Gen 3.
The forbidden fruit in the garden was sex.
Nowhere does the Bible say that.
It does in the Scriptures, remember the Bible is a translation of the Scriptures.
In other words, you can't prove your claim. There is nowhere
in the Hebrew that says that it was sex. You're full of crap!
Yes, quite full of it, he writes as one would expect a first class
blivit to write.
We're done. All you're doing, is making claims and then
when challenged, you think claiming it again proves you
were right the first time you claimed it.
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Azaliah (ats-al-yaw'-hoo) "Jah has reserved"
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cdum wrote:
"Azaliah" <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:49:34 GMT, while bungee jumping, "cdum"
<cdumont@telusplanet.net> shouted thusly:
"Flowerchild8245" <flowerchild8245@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1163714720.632098.106820@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Satan was never a holy angel of God
Wrong; read Ezekiel 28:11-20, we all lived in the first world age.
That is about the King of Tyre, not Satan.
Was King Tyre in the garden of Eden? NOT. Tyre means rock, Christ is my rock, satan wants to be
Christ.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host
of them.
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field
which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God
said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
So there you have it, Satan was created a serpent, a liar right from
the start! And he was a liar right from the start, knowing good and
well God was speaking of a spiritual death, not a physical death, but
he made Eve think it was a physical death. It was the tree of the
knowledge of good and evil Eve ate from, not the tree of life! A common
ploy of Satan, to have men take spiritual things literal.
Wrong; satan was never a serpent, he was a low life and you can't get no lower then a snake.
It
was a physical death, God's days are a thousand years to us, they died before that day was over.
According to the Bible, Satan took the form of a serpent
that day.
That is not in the Bible! Study your Bible, and you will not make such
mistakes! If you think that is in the Bible, then tell us where you
think it can be found in the Bible!
A serpent is just a figure of speech for a low life.
This is, of course a parable. That "serpent" in the garden was none
other than "...that OLD SERPENT, called the Devil, and Satan, which
deceives the whole world..." (Rev. 12:9). And this is the same serpent
that "deceived" Eve.
No evidence that is the same serpent.
Satan entered Eden as "that Old Serpent [Satan]"
Not so!
and deceived Eve to
eat of the forbidden fruit. Satan didn't sneak into the garden
against God's will. He performed a needful task with our first
parents. God knew what Satan was going to do to Adam and Eve. God did
not try to prevent it. It is all part of God's master plan that
mankind know good from evil.
The forbidden fruit in the garden was sex.
Nuts!
Nowhere does the Bible say that.
Right!
It does in the Scriptures, remember the Bible is a translation of the Scriptures.
It does not!
The idea being taught today is that God never created Satan in the
first place. That's right, Satan supposedly created himself, or at
least became Satan by himself.
But the truth is, Satan was a liar right from the start, was never a
Holy Angel of God. Jesus confirmed this great truth further by saying:
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father
ye will do. HE WAS A MURDERER FROM THE BEGINNING, and abode not in the
truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he
speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the FATHER of it.
Cain was a murder and a lier from the begining and his father was satan, the scribes who had
Jesus
crucified were descendents of cain.
Cain's father was Adam. You are making things up
as you go.
Cain and Able were twins from different fathers, Cains father was satan, his descendents are still
with us today.Rev.2:9 and Rev.3:9. Joshua was suppose to destroy them all but he did not, one tribe
was inslaved to help the Priests, they slowly took over.
Many say the devil used to be a Holy Angel of God, because we also read
Satan was seen falling from heaven, but Satan did not live in heaven,
he was trying to take it by force!
Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Luke 10:17-18 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord,
even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. And he (Jesus)
said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Satan tried to take heaven by force, He did not live there:
That is not in the Bible, you may find it in John Milton's book
Paradise Lost, but Paradise Lost is not a part of scripture.
Rev 12:7 And there was WAR in heaven: Michael and HIS angels fought
against the dragon; and the dragon fought and HIS angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in
heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called
the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out
into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
That has not happened yet, thats the sixth seal, it will happen within 12 years. satan is in
heaven at the moment, locked up.
More predictions from the end timers. And 12 years from now,
when it doesn't happen, what will you say?
It is written it will happen.
His "angels" were his angels, not the Holy Angels of God! First, just
who was it that fell from heaven, and does the phrase "fallen from
heaven" prove that this person had to have been in God's throne room,
or at least in interstellar space in order for him to "fall from
heaven" therefore proving that this must be a spirit being only? No, of
course not. Here is proof from none other that Jesus:
They were all God's angels, but a third followed satan in the rebelion and caused the first
world
age to end.
The Bible does not say, "first world age".
It does many places, satan was sentence to die in the first world age, Ezekiel 28, those of us who
fought on the side of God in the rebelion.Jer.4:19-28. were also judged Rom.8:29-30, those are the
saints, the elects, the first fruits, happy are those who took part in the first resurection, the
second death has no part for them.God bless
"And you, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shall be thrust down
[from heaven] to hell [Gk: hades]" (Luke 10:15).
So here we have a whole city being thrown down from heaven to hades,
their grave. And so it is with the King of Babylon whose "pomp is
brought down to the grave" (Isa. 14:11). These two Scriptures are exact
parallel thoughts.
Lets take a look at the context of the ONE AND ONLY time the name
"Lucifer" appears in the Bible:
Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of
Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city
ceased!
Isa 14:5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the scepter
of the rulers.
Isa 14:6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he
that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
Isa 14:7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth
into singing.
Isa 14:8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon,
saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
Isa 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy
coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of
the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the
nations.
Isa 14:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become
weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy
viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
*Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the
morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the
nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the
mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like
the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the
pit.
Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and
consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble,
that did shake kingdoms;
Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities
thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory,
every one in his own house.
Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch,
and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a
sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcass trodden
under feet.
Isa 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou
hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers
shall never be renowned.
Isa 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their
fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face
of the world with cities.
Isa 14:22 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and
cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith
the LORD.
Isa 14:23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools
of water: and I will sweep it with the broom of destruction, saith the
LORD of hosts.
THE "PROVERB", OR PARABLE WAS INDEED CONCERNING A KING BABYLON!
Just what is the Hebrew word found in the manuscripts that the
translators turned into the Latin word Lucifer? It is very interesting.
All of you with a Strong's Concordance, look up this word Lucifer.
Right after the word Lucifer we are given a definition before we ever
go to the Dictionary to find the meaning. Here is what you will find:
Lucifer (lu'sif-ur) {1} Title applied to king of Babylon.
Clearly the editor of Strong's Concordance realized that this word
(whatever it means) is to be applied to the "king of Babylon," and NOT
TO SATAN THE DEVIL!
We are told that the word in question is Strong's #1966 which is
heylel, from 1984 [halal] (in the sense of brightness); the
morning-star:--Lucifer.
What a web of deceit is woven in this
"light-bringing-brightness-morning-star-Lucifer" theory. This word
"Lucifer" appears no other place in Scripture. Was Satan ever spoken of
as a "light-bringing perfect archangel"? No. What saith the Scriptures?
satan calls himself many names, Lucifer is a name he stole from Jesus, the real bright morning
star, Christ is a name he will use when he is thrown out of heaven and appears on earth, but he
will
be the antichrist and only the saints will know. The king of babylon is also one off his names,
babylon means confusion, you'd better study and get out of confusion, confusion will be destroyed
when Christ returns.
There was a King of Babylon. He was not Satan.
Right!
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Do you really expect us to believe in these myths and fables!???
"Flowerchild8245" <flowerchild8245@msn.com> wrote in message
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Satan was never a holy angel of God
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host
of them.
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field
which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God
said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
So there you have it, Satan was created a serpent, a liar right from
the start! And he was a liar right from the start, knowing good and
well God was speaking of a spiritual death, not a physical death, but
he made Eve think it was a physical death. It was the tree of the
knowledge of good and evil Eve ate from, not the tree of life! A common
ploy of Satan, to have men take spiritual things literal.
This is, of course a parable. That "serpent" in the garden was none
other than "...that OLD SERPENT, called the Devil, and Satan, which
deceives the whole world..." (Rev. 12:9). And this is the same serpent
that "deceived" Eve.
Satan entered Eden as "that Old Serpent [Satan]" and deceived Eve to
eat of the forbidden fruit. Satan didn't sneak into the garden
against God's will. He performed a needful task with our first
parents. God knew what Satan was going to do to Adam and Eve. God did
not try to prevent it. It is all part of God's master plan that
mankind know good from evil.
The idea being taught today is that God never created Satan in the
first place. That's right, Satan supposedly created himself, or at
least became Satan by himself.
But the truth is, Satan was a liar right from the start, was never a
Holy Angel of God. Jesus confirmed this great truth further by saying:
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father
ye will do. HE WAS A MURDERER FROM THE BEGINNING, and abode not in the
truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he
speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the FATHER of it.
Many say the devil used to be a Holy Angel of God, because we also read
Satan was seen falling from heaven, but Satan did not live in heaven,
he was trying to take it by force!
Mat 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom
of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
Luke 10:17-18 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord,
even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. And he (Jesus)
said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Satan tried to take heaven by force, He did not live there:
Rev 12:7 And there was WAR in heaven: Michael and HIS angels fought
against the dragon; and the dragon fought and HIS angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in
heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called
the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out
into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
His "angels" were his angels, not the Holy Angels of God! First, just
who was it that fell from heaven, and does the phrase "fallen from
heaven" prove that this person had to have been in God's throne room,
or at least in interstellar space in order for him to "fall from
heaven" therefore proving that this must be a spirit being only? No, of
course not. Here is proof from none other that Jesus:
"And you, Capernaum, which art exalted to heaven, shall be thrust down
[from heaven] to hell [Gk: hades]" (Luke 10:15).
So here we have a whole city being thrown down from heaven to hades,
their grave. And so it is with the King of Babylon whose "pomp is
brought down to the grave" (Isa. 14:11). These two Scriptures are exact
parallel thoughts.
Lets take a look at the context of the ONE AND ONLY time the name
"Lucifer" appears in the Bible:
Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of
Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city
ceased!
Isa 14:5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the scepter
of the rulers.
Isa 14:6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he
that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
Isa 14:7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth
into singing.
Isa 14:8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon,
saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
Isa 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy
coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of
the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the
nations.
Isa 14:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become
weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy
viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
*Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the
morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the
nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the
mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like
the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the
pit.
Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and
consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble,
that did shake kingdoms;
Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities
thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory,
every one in his own house.
Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch,
and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a
sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcass trodden
under feet.
Isa 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou
hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers
shall never be renowned.
Isa 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their
fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face
of the world with cities.
Isa 14:22 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and
cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith
the LORD.
Isa 14:23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools
of water: and I will sweep it with the broom of destruction, saith the
LORD of hosts.
THE "PROVERB", OR PARABLE WAS INDEED CONCERNING A KING BABYLON!
Just what is the Hebrew word found in the manuscripts that the
translators turned into the Latin word Lucifer? It is very interesting.
All of you with a Strong's Concordance, look up this word Lucifer.
Right after the word Lucifer we are given a definition before we ever
go to the Dictionary to find the meaning. Here is what you will find:
Lucifer (lu'sif-ur) {1} Title applied to king of Babylon.
Clearly the editor of Strong's Concordance realized that this word
(whatever it means) is to be applied to the "king of Babylon," and NOT
TO SATAN THE DEVIL!
We are told that the word in question is Strong's #1966 which is
heylel, from 1984 [halal] (in the sense of brightness); the
morning-star:--Lucifer.
What a web of deceit is woven in this
"light-bringing-brightness-morning-star-Lucifer" theory. This word
"Lucifer" appears no other place in Scripture. Was Satan ever spoken of
as a "light-bringing perfect archangel"? No. What saith the Scriptures?
"And no marvel; for Satan himself is TRANSFORMED into an angel of
light" (II Cor. 11:14).
Satan is NOT an angel of light, neither has he ever been! It is the
"false apostles, DECEITFUL workers" Ver 13, that DECEIVE people into
believing lies. Satan appears as an angel of light to the world; he is
transformed into an angel of light, but it is an illusion, it is not
true, it is a deception!
Paul expels any such theory that Satan knows anything about "light":
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against
principalities, against power, against the RULERS OF THE DARKNESS of
this world" (Eph. 6:12).
"How has thou (Babylon-see context) fallen from heaven, O Shining One
(O howl)-Son of the Dawn! (Babylon conspicuous as Venus). Hewn down to
the earth, O crusher of nations."
Clearly the reference is to Babylon and none other. It was Babylon
which was exalted to heaven (as conspicuous as Venus, the brightest
star of the morning) in her wealth, power, and glory. Yet just as
Capernaum, God says she is brought down to the earth, the one who was a
"crusher of nations."
Next I will list the King James renderings of the word that is found in
the "Hebrew" texts and transliterations of its various forms in every
occurrence in the entire KJV Bible. Now you can be the judge. In all
Hebrew of Aramaic texts of Isa. 14:12, the only word found is
"heh-lehl," eill, which is a form of the Hebrew stem "yah-lahl," ill,
meaning howl. Here is Kittel's Hebrew Text for the Hebrew Stem
ill-"yah-lahl"-HOWL:
Isa. 13:6 eiliu Howl ye
Isa. 14:31 eili Howl
Isa. 15:2 iilil shall howl
Isa. 15:3 iilil shall howl
Isa. 16:7 iilil Howl
Isa. 16:7 iilil shall howl
Isa. 23:1 eililu Howl ye
Isa. 23:6 eililu Howl ye
Isa. 23:14 eililu Howl ye
Isa. 52:5 eililu make to howl
Isa. 65:14 eililu shall howl
Jer. 4:8 ueililu Howl
Jer. 25:34 eililu Howl
Jer. 47:2 ueill and shall howl
Jer. 48:20 eilili Howl
Jer. 48:31 ailil will I howl
Jer. 48:39 eililu They shall howl (Howl ye)
Jer. 49:3 eilili Howl (Howl ye)
Jer. 51:8 eililu howl
Ezek.30:2 eililu Howl ye
Hos. 7:14 iililu They howled
Joel 1:5 ueililu And howl
Joel 1:11 eililu howl
Joel 1:13 eililu And shall be howlings
Amos 8:1 ueililu and howl
Micah 1:8 uailile howl ye
Zeph. 1:11 aililu Howl
Zech.11:2 eill howl
Zech.11:2 eililu howl
Isa. 14:12 eill Lucifer (??)
I don't believe one has to be a Hebrew scholar to see at a glance
that "Lucifer" is totally out of place in this list. The meaning of
this word is clear; eill is a verb that means "HOWL", and not a noun
than can be twisted into a personal name such as "lucifer"!
Is there no end to the religious lies fostered on the Church? I assure
you there is an end, and that end may be soon in sight!
And notice carefully that the Hebrew verb eill in Isa. 14:12 is the
identical form of the first verb eill in Zech. 11:2. Now try
substituting the personal noun "Lucifer" in place of the verb "howl" in
the two places it occurs in Zech. 11:2. Here as in many Scriptures, the
trees are likened to people who are crying out because of the death and
destruction:
"Lucifer, fir tree; for the cedar is fallen; because the mighty are
spoiled: Lucifer, O ye oaks of Bashan; for the forest of the ventage is
come down."
Such a translation would be nonsense. Or let's try it back in Isa. 14
where we find the word Lucifer in verse 12, but notice how this word is
translated in verse 31:
Instead of "Howl, O gate; cry, O city..." We would have, "Lucifer, O
gate; cry, O city..."
Again, such a translation would be nonsense, as it is also nonsense in
Isa. 14:12.
Kittel in a footnote informs us that it is only the Septuagint (which,
remember, is the Greek Translation of the Hebrew Scriptures) that we
find this word ell instead of eill. This word was translated into
eospearos, which Jerome translated into Lucifer with a capital "L,"
which the King James translators carried over into English without
checking the HEBREW manuscripts, which would have solved this dilemma.
All Hebrew manuscripts have eill in Isaiah 14:12, and remember that the
Old Testament was written in Hebrew, NOT Greek or Latin!
Well, there you have it. There ain't no Lucifer who was supposedly
perfect before he supposedly turned into Satan. Lucifer is a Christian
hoax!
Christ is the true bright morning star, Satan NEVER was!
Rev 2:28 And I (Jesus) will give him the morning star (aster proinos).
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things
in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the
bright and morning star. (aster orthrinos).
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| Title: Re: Satan was never a holy angel of God |
16 Nov 2006 05:09:06 PM |
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Flowerchild8245 wrote:
Satan entered Eden as "that Old Serpent [Satan]" and deceived Eve to
eat of the forbidden fruit.
Yup, that was it, the full extent of his "crimes." Past-due time
to cut the old boy some slack.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Satan was never a holy angel of God |
17 Nov 2006 12:33:57 PM |
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Flowerchild8245 wrote:
Satan was never a holy angel of God
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host
of them.
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field
which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God
said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
So there you have it, Satan was created a serpent,
Wrong serpent, Satan "was" another "serpent". Satan could not have
been that serpent, as that serpent, according to Genesis 3:14 was to go
upon his belly and eat dust from that time on till the end of its life.
Satan was just the opposite, Satan stood and walked! Read your Bible
before you run off at the mouth again.
For more details on the subject:
Rev. 12:9 and 20:2 are ambiguous as to which old serpent was Satan the
dragon.
Rev. 12:7-9
7 Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the
dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought,
8 but they were defeated and there was no longer any place for them in
heaven.
9 And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is
called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world--he was
thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
Rev. 20:2 And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the
Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,
Notice! The serpent of Genesis 3:14 from the day God cursed it had to
go upon his belly.
3:14The LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this,
cursed are you above all cattle, and above all wild animals; upon your
belly you shall go, and dust you shall eat all the days of your life.
So it could not be Satan as Satan walks! And the serpent of Genesis 3
cannot walk.
Job 1:6-7
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves
before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
7 The LORD said to Satan, "Whence have you come?" Satan answered the
LORD, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down
on it."
And again in Job 2:1-2
1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present
themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them to present
himself before the LORD.
2 And the LORD said to Satan, "Whence have you come?" Satan answered
the LORD, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and
down on it."
But, the dragon-serpent of Revelation could well be that of Psalms 74
and Isaiah 27.
Psalms 74:13-14
13 Thou didst divide the sea by thy might; thou didst break the heads
of the dragons on the waters.
14 Thou didst crush the heads of Leviathan, thou didst give him as
food for the creatures of the wilderness.
Isaiah 27:1 In that day the LORD with his hard and great and strong
sword will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent, Leviathan the twisting
serpent, and he will slay the dragon that is in the sea.
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God never told anybody to be stupid.
Sergeant K. D. Waugh
22nd Evac. Hosp. S. M.
Korea 1951
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| User: "Flowerchild8245" |
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| Title: Re: Satan was never a holy angel of God |
17 Nov 2006 02:33:55 PM |
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wrote:
Flowerchild8245 wrote:
Satan was never a holy angel of God
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host
of them.
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field
which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God
said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
So there you have it, Satan was created a serpent...
Wrong serpent, Satan "was" another "serpent". Satan could not have
been that serpent, as that serpent, according to Genesis 3:14 was to go
upon his belly and eat dust from that time on till the end of its life.
Man is the "dust of the earth" upon which Satan dines: "The first man
[Adam] is of the earth, earthy [dust]..."Man IS 'dust.'
Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou
return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: FOR DUST THOU
ART, and unto dust shalt thou return.
When God told the serpent devil Satan that he would eat DUST, He was
telling him that he would eat MAN (adam). And this is exactly what
Peter tells us in his epistle:
"Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring
lion, walks about, seeking whom he may devour [Gk: swallow down/eat]"
(I Pet. 5:8).
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living
soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that
which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the
Lord from heaven.
The "natural" man is "earthly", a carnal meal of Satan, but the spirit
man is not. To be born again of Spirit is to be born of the groom and
His bride, she is the mother of us all, and the groom is the LORD sent
from heaven, Christ. He has a very strong arm, and glory to God, we are
safe in Him!
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