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"Giant Waffle" |
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11 Oct 2006 11:33:22 PM |
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SENSI'S APPEAL TO SECULAR LAW |
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:23:33 -0500, "Sensi"
<sensi4sight@home.net> spake thusly:
I would like to note, before responding below,
that you are claiming that the wife is the boss
of the husband, even though Scripture clearly
expresses the idea that neither spouse is in charge,
when it comes to the marriage bed.
I would also like to note that you keep turning this
into an issue of men against women, when Randy
and I have clearly and repeatedly expressed that
the same Scriptural rule applies to both spouses.
See below.
"Giant Waffle" <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:18:05 GMT, "Diana"
<newlifespromise@msn.com> you spake thusly:
http://members.aol.com/ncmdr/state_law_chart.html
STATE LAW CHART
© National Clearinghouse on Marital & Date Rape, May 2005
"MORE THAN 1 IN EVERY 7 WOMEN WHO HAVE EVER BEEN
MARRIED HAVE BEEN RAPED IN MARRIAGE!"
--Diana Russell, Rape in Marriage, Indiana University Press, 1990
A woman comments. Well then, since a woman said this,
then the Bible must have changed!
You go ahead and claim that God changes His mind with
whatever people make secular law if you wish.
sensi:
You're the one trying to change God's mind.
Prove it, Scripturally.
God created men and women as equals.
In the sex department, yes. And this "equality" equates to
neither spouse being able to deny sex to the other, just as
Scripture says.
"The wife does not have authority over her own body,
but the husband does. And likewise the husband does
not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.
Do not deprive one another..." - 1 Corinthians 7:4-5a
Thus, you equally have the right to forget about saying no. :)
Now as to all other categories of marriage, the husband
is the head of the wife, period.
"For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ
is the head of the church..." - Ephesians 5:23a
Note: "even as", meaning, "in the same way that...".
So just as Christ is the head of the church, so is the husband
the head of the wife.
You may not like that, but your not liking it, does not
change Scripture. So I would ask you why you seek
to change Scripture to match your thoughts, instead of
changing your thoughts, to match what Scripture says?
The woman has just as much right to say I have a headache
as the man has just as much right to say "Okay, dear.
Paul did not express the idea of "How to say no". Rather,
he expressed the idea that neither a husband, nor a wife,
has the right to say no to their spouse and thus, your
words are in direct contradiction to God's word. (:
And let us note that you have placed the woman in charge
of whether or not sex will happen, even though you make
claims of "equality". And you have done so, by saying
that the husband's right involves saying, "Yes dear",
thereby handing the reins to the woman, in direct
contradiction to the idea expressed in both 1 Cor 7:3-5a
and Ephesians 5:23 and a host of others passages. (:
So while you make claims of equality, what you really
preach, is the woman being in control and you claim
that the man's "equality" consists of saying, "Yes dear".
How sad and pathetic! And how terrible for your husband,
to have to live with a hypocrite like you, who *CLAIMS* to
worship God and yet, promotes the idea of complete control
over her husband's sex life and claims that the only thing
he has control over, is how emphatically he can say,
"Yes dear"!
That doesn't sound very "equal" to me. (:
And if you want to *create* a law that says you don't
have to obey your wife's wishes then you're flirting
with evil and thank God secular laws are in place
because of people who think like you.
So in other words, if women want to create a law that
says that when a woman says she has a headache,
that the husband can only say, "Yes dear", then that's
fine. But if the man wants to create a law which says
the woman is not in complete control of his sex life,
then he's "flirting with evil". Gotcha! (:
Look at your words. You said that the husband must
"obey his wife's wishes". And you are also implying
that the law currently states that the wife is head over
the husband. You are clearly claiming this, when you
say that the secular laws speak of a husband *OBEYING*
his wife. Read your words above. The statement is
right there! And it is truly, truly sad! (:
Tell us, how does that equate to the "equality" that you
claimed exists in the marriage bed? Your bias comes
through loud and clear, especially when you don't
mention the reverse situation! (:
You are a sick individual and I feel sorry for your husband.
He must have a very poor life, having to obey you and do
whatever you wish, while you claim it's the law. (:
And by doing so, you automatically claim that the wife is
the head over the husband, even in the matter of sex. (:
And this whole time, you practice hypocrisy, claiming that
a wife should not have to obey her husband, while at the
same time, claiming that a husband must obey his wife.
You are a hypocrite and a liar and a deceiver! And your
biggest deceit, is in claiming to be a Christian, who serves
the Lord! (:
Tell us, since you speak of secular law, because you know
that you have no foundation for your claims in Scripture,
what secular law says; "The wife is the boss and the husband
must obey the wife." ???
Let is note folks, that Sensi has claimed that it is the
husband's duty to obey his wife's wishes, while falsely
claiming that she believes in "equality".
Tell me, where is the idea that the wife is the boss
of the marriage sex life expressed in Scripture?
Where does it say that either spouse is the boss
when it comes to the marriage bed?
Let us also note that Sensi believes that the law states
that a husband must obey his wife.
Tell me, why do you support that which is in direct
contradiction to God's word?
Let us also note that Sensi has not once in her message,
appealed to God's word. (:
The fact is, that God's word expresses the idea that both
husband and wife are equal when it comes to the bed.
And the equality that they have, is in not being able to
deny the other. Both spouses are commanded not to
"defraud the other". How does that equate to, "I have
a headache" being said, as a magic wand to ward off
your husband, whenever you feel like using the phrase?
Aside from sex in the marriage bed, there is no equality
in authority, whether you like that or not. The husband
is the head of the wife and the wife is instructed to obey
her husband in the same way that she is to obey Christ.
"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands,
as unto the Lord." - Ephesians 5:22
Of course, the husband is to love his wife, but contrary
to your false claims, loving one's wife does not mean
that a husband abdicates his authority to the wife.
The truth is Sensi, you have no interest in Scripture.
Your interest is found in trying to get men to bow
to your wishes and you advocate women using what's
between their legs, to manipulate men into getting
what they (the women) want.
And frankly, your bias came screaming through,
loud and clear, in your post. (:
--
Giant Waffle
My heart rejoices in the Lord; My horn is exalted in the Lord.
I smile at my enemies, because I rejoice in Your salvation.
- 1 Samuel 2:1
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| User: "oldwetdog" |
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| Title: Re: SENSI'S APPEAL TO SECULAR LAW |
12 Oct 2006 01:55:19 PM |
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Giant Waffle wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:23:33 -0500, "Sensi"
<sensi4sight@home.net> spake thusly:
I would like to note,
Your "note" is a false accusation
Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there
is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of
God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou
then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt
have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that
which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he
is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth
evil.
Tit 3:1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to
obey magistrates...
I would like to mention that ...
IF the government or a Ruler passes a law or issues a command that
Christians DO something which is against God's Law, we are bound to
disobey that law or command.
IF the government or a Ruler passes a law or issues a command that
Christians NOT DO something which is commanded by God, we are bound to
disobey that law or command.
The laws as they are given above do NOT fit either of these situations,
and as Christians who are bound to obey the laws of those in power, we
should observe these laws.
For Christians, the marital relationship begins with consent, and
consent remains an ingredient of Christian marriage.
owd
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| User: "Jani" |
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| Title: Re: SENSI'S APPEAL TO SECULAR LAW |
12 Oct 2006 07:10:12 PM |
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"oldwetdog" <g.aedhealic@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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For Christians, the marital relationship begins with consent, and consent
remains an ingredient of Christian marriage.
"Consent remains ..." Exactly! The general, mutual consent to sex which is
given in the marriage ceremony is *not* a licence for non-consensual sexual
activity to occur on particular occasions afterwards. That is still rape,
whether those concerned are married or not. Thank you for drawing that
distinction, owd.
Jani
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| User: "Giant Waffle" |
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| Title: Re: SENSI'S APPEAL TO SECULAR LAW |
12 Oct 2006 04:44:58 PM |
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On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:55:19 -0700, oldwetdog
<g.aedhealic@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
Giant Waffle wrote:
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:23:33 -0500, "Sensi"
<sensi4sight@home.net> spake thusly:
I would like to note,
Your "note" is a false accusation
No, it isn't.
Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there
is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
One obeys the law, until it contradicts God's word.
By your estimation, when Caesar had commanded that
everyone in the Roman Empire must kneel to his statue
and worship him as "God above all gods", that Christians
should have done that. (:
You also argue that Daniel was not acting Godly...
Daniel 6:1-16a
1) It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom one hundred
and twenty satraps, to be over the whole kingdom;
2) and over these, three governors, of whom Daniel was one,
that the satraps might give account to them, so that the king
would suffer no loss.
3) Then this Daniel distinguished himself above the governors
and satraps, because an excellent spirit was in him; and the
king gave thought to setting him over the whole realm.
4) So the governors and satraps sought to find some charge
against Daniel concerning the kingdom; but they could find
no charge or fault, because he was faithful; nor was there
any error or fault found in him.
5) Then these men said, We shall not find any charge against
this Daniel unless we find it against him concerning the law
of his God.
6) So these governors and satraps thronged before the king,
and said thus to him: King Darius, live forever!
7) All the governors of the kingdom, the administrators and
satraps, the counselors and advisors, have consulted together
to establish a royal statute and to make a firm decree, that
whoever petitions any god or man for thirty days, except you,
O king, shall be cast into the den of lions.
8) Now, O king, establish the decree and sign the writing,
so that it cannot be changed, according to the law of the
Medes and Persians, which does not alter.
9) Therefore King Darius signed the written decree.
10) Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went
home. And in his upper room, with his windows open toward
Jerusalem, he knelt down on his knees three times that day,
and prayed and gave thanks before his God, as was his custom
since early days.
11) Then these men assembled and found Daniel praying and
making supplication before his God.
12) And they went before the king, and spoke concerning the
king’s decree: Have you not signed a decree that every man
who petitions any god or man within thirty days, except you,
O king, shall be cast into the den of lions? The king
answered and said, The thing is true, according to the law
of the Medes and Persians, which does not alter.
13) So they answered and said before the king, That Daniel,
who is one of the captives from Judah, does not show due
regard for you, O king, or for the decree that you have
signed, but makes his petition three times a day.
14) And the king, when he heard these words, was greatly
displeased with himself, and set his heart on Daniel to
deliver him; and he labored till the going down of the sun
to deliver him.
15) Then these men approached the king, and said to the king,
Know, O king, that it is the law of the Medes and Persians
that no decree or statute which the king establishes may
be changed.
16a) So the king gave the command, and they brought Daniel
and cast him into the den of lions.
It is nice to know that you stand on the side of those who
sought to find occasion against Daniel, using the law of
his God and do so here, now, for according to your
argument and the way you wrongly used Scripture,
Daniel was sinning by praying to God, against their wishes.
Your argument is foolishness and you twist and misuse
Scripture to suit your own sick needs. (:
I will let Peter do the talking for me...
Acts 5:25-29
25) So one came and told them, saying, Look, the men whom
you put in prison are standing in the temple and teaching the
people!
26) Then the captain went with the officers and brought them
without violence, for they feared the people, lest they should
be stoned.
27) And when they had brought them, they set them before
the council. And the high priest asked them,
28) saying, Did we not strictly command you not to teach
in this name? And look, you have filled Jerusalem with
your doctrine, and intend to bring this Man’s blood on us!
29) But Peter and the other apostles answered and said:
We ought to obey God rather than men.
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Giant Waffle
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My heart rejoices in the Lord; My horn is exalted in the Lord.
I smile at my enemies, because I rejoice in Your salvation.
- 1 Samuel 2:1
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