On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:47:47 -0700, Glenn <gamcclary@spiritone.com>
wrote:

SEQUENCE AND KINGDOMS REVEALED BY DANIEL



DANIEL'S AUTHORITY
Before we begin a study of the Book of Daniel there are two questions we
should consider. There are those who say the Prophet Daniel did not
write the Book of Daniel; and, it is "pure fiction based on historic
events." Was Daniel a Prophet, will the events he described be
fulfilled? In answer to the question of his authority, both the Spirit
of God and Jesus approved of Daniel's work: thus revealing Satan to be
the father of these lies. Mat. 24:15, Eze 14:20.

VISUAL COMMUNICATIONS
Two important facts which we must keep in mind is, first, Daniel
received communications in visual form. He transcribed the visions into
words to record for us. The words are metaphors. He used words (like a
painter uses pigments) to paint a word picture and pass the visual
communication on to us. Second, although the visions and the words
Daniel used to record the visions are metaphorical, they do contain a
literal message: the meaning designated by God, their Composer. It is
His interpretation for which we seek. 2 Peter 1:20-21.

Glenn,

As a general rule I do not study or try to interpret prophecy of the
Scriptures because the verse you quoted says that the "first thing we
have to know is that no prophecy of the Scriptures is of any one's own
(idios) interpretation. It is up to God or the Scriptures to do the
intrepreting. This usually happens in the Scriptures after the event
has come to pass. Often the figrue of Speech Gnome (Quotation) is used
in the NT to explain things to us.

I have spent some thirty years studying the figures of speech used in
the word of God. I do not claim to be an expert; but I am not a
novice either. You speak of the "metaphorical" which technically
refers to a Metaphor. Metaphor is not the dominant figure used in
Daniel. Are you confusing Metaphor with Metonomy? Or, are you using
the word "metaphorical" to refer to figures in general?

The appendix to my book (The Finger of God - Figures of Speech Used in
the Bible) is the KJV Bible with figure names inserted below passages
they apply to with the figure names hyperlinked to pages that explain
them. So far I've identifed about 17,000 usages of figures in about
13,000 passages. I keep track of them in a database. I did a
database dump of the book of Daniel listing the verse number and
applicable figures. I did not see Metaphor in the list. I did see a
few Metonomies.

What I saw most that might interest you is the figure Catabasis
(Gradual Descent) which affects chapter two where there is a
deterioration in power and authority shown in the decrease of value,
but in the decrease of specific gravity: Gold is equivalent to
19:3,silver 10:51, brass 8:5, iron 7:6 and clay 1:9 - Down from 19:3
to 1:9.

From my perspective the futuristic Daniel and Revelation are not
relevant to me because I will be off planet before the events
described in Revelation come to pass.

So I won't read any further.
But you have been pretty accurate on the trinity issue and unlike your
opponents seem to be more loyal to the word of God than they which are
loyal to their teachers.

Maybe the small contrinution above will help you in some way.

BB

SEQUENCE OF WORLD RULING EMPIRES
God gave the vision of the sequence of world ruling empires, recorded in
Daniel's Second Chapter, to the King of Babylon. But his "wise" men
could not figure out its meaning. God gave the understanding of the
vision to Daniel. An understanding of God's messages is a gift from God.
This is an important lesson. Dan. 2:19-21, 12:9-10, Pro. 9:10, Ecc.
2:26. Luke 24:45, James 1:5.

The Sequence of Nations
This visual communication gives the sequence and description of the
empires which will rule the world from then until That Day.

The first was Babylon. This Empire ruled all the known civilized world,
and destroyed the Nation Judah and the Beloved City by the will of God.
606-586 B.C. Isa. 39:6-7, Jer. 39:1-2, 2 Kings 25:1.

Second was the Medo-Persian Empire. The Empire of silver defeated
Babylon in 538 B.C. Dan. 5:30-31. It is important to note, the
Medo-Persian army failed to destroy Babylon.

Greece was the third Empire. Alexander the Great defeated the Medes and
Persians in 331 B.C., without (this fact is very important) destroying
either Babylon or Jerusalem.

The first part of the fourth Empire was Rome, the legs of iron. Dan.
2:33, 40. Rome conquered Babylon
(Syria under the Seleucids) in 54 B.C., and again in 114-117 A.D.,
without destroying it. For the most part Babylon remained a Roman
"border territory." In 63 B.C. Rome acquired Palestine, without
destroying Jerusalem, and ruled the known world until 476 A.D.
(ENCYCLOPAEDIA BRITANNICA MACROPAEDIA, Vol. 11. p. 989-90, Vol. 17, p.
947-51.)

It was during the reign of these kings that our Lord set up His Kingdom.
Dan. 2:44, Acts 2:37-47. But the Kingdom (Heaven) is not yet given to
the Chosen People. Dan. 7:27.

This vision depicts the second half of the fourth empire as being "iron
mixed with miry clay." This empire (Rome re-born) will conquer the world
in the lifetime of this generation. This is revealed by the fact that
this empire and its ruler will be destroyed at the second coming of the
Messiah. Dan. 2:43-45, 7:26, Rev. 14:17-20, 19:11-21, 20:7-10.

A Mistake
It is also revealed, by this fact, that those who teach this second half
of the Roman empire is the Holy Roman Catholic Church are in error. For,
while the Catholic Church does exist today, it is not now a
temporal/secular world ruling empire. Also, it was brought down by the
hand of man, not the personal appearance of the Lord. Dan. 2:40-43, 8:25.


ROME RISING
The many parts of the fourth empire, which will conquer the world in our
lifetime, are now visible as the NATO-Common Market Alliance Nations.
Daniel's Seventh Chapter describes this empire in more detail.
Daniel 7:1-2. "I saw visions by night, and, behold, four winds strove
upon the great sea..." The "sea" is peoples and the "winds" are spirits.
Rev. 7:1-2, 13:1, 17:15. The winds "whip up" the seas in order to bring
about a desired result. For example, the spirits arrange a national
leader desired by Satan, and he, by controlling this man, controls that
nation. Historical examples include the Pharaoh of Egypt and the King of
Babylon. More modern examples are Hitler and Saddam Hussein.


THE END TIME BEASTS
In studying this Seventh Chapter it will become apparent it is divided
into several major parts. First is the description of the four beasts.
Note, the first three (in this vision) are not described as World ruling
Empires as were Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. Verses 2 to 6.
The next section, verses 7-8, describes the fourth empire to rule this
world and its rise to power, as well as its destruction at the end of
this world.

Verse 12* is a very significant statement, to which we will return.

Verses 17 to 25 are an explanation, giving more detail, of the four
beasts recorded in verses 2-8. Verses 13 and 14, and 22, 26, 27 are a
repeat, with more detail, of verses 9 to 11. It is important to note
these descriptions of the "giving of the Kingdom to the people" do not
use the term "set up" or "establish," because this was accomplished in
A.D. 30. Acts 2:37-47, Col. 1:13. Dan. 2:44, Luke 9:27.

Find The Clues
Before discussing the identities of these beasts, we need to look for an
internal key word by which we can connect this vision to other
communications, and events on earth; and a sign of the times by which we
can recognize the earth time in which these events occur. Clearly the
fourth beast (Satan and his empire) will be destroyed at the second
coming of the Messiah. Verses 9-11, 13-14, 22, 26-27. 2 Thes. 2:8, Rev.
20:10. Therefore the events depicted in this vision will be fulfilled in
the lifetime of the generation who witnessed the return of Israel to
Jerusalem. Luke 21:24, Mat. 24:32-34.


End Time Rome
This beast (nation) is Rome re-born; Modern Rome, the second half of the
fourth kingdom, the part of iron mixed with miry clay. Compare 7:23,
26-27 to 2:44-45. The last half of the fourth kingdom in the Second
Chapter will rule the world until the Lord comes. The fourth beast in
the Seventh Chapter will rule the world until the Lord comes. Both will
be destroyed by the Lord when He comes. Thus, they are the same beast.
Even now the NATO-European Common Market Alliance is being rewritten.
(TIME, March 5, '84, p. 20. ATLANTIC, April '84, p. 43.) Which State
will rule the United States of Europe? Greece. Dan. 8:21, Joel 3:6, Zec.
9:13.


THE BEASTS IDENTIFIED
Who are the first three beasts? (7:4, 5, 6.) It is suggested by verses 2
and 3 that all four beasts "came up" at the same time; that they
co-exist with the Beasts Kingdom. Can this be correct?

The United States
Verse 4. "The first was like a lion..." In Prophetic descriptions of
nations, when a nation is faithful and fulfills God's purpose, it is
depicted as a regal beast. However, when a nation is unfaithful she is
described as a *****. Hosea 1:2, Rev. 17:1. Thus, one nation may be
described by different icons or ideograms at different times in its
existence. The term "man" means "human." Gen. 1:27.

Daniel watched this beast for some time, until its "wings" (speed of
conquest) were taken away and it was made to stand up like a "man."
Thus, a beast standing like a human; a nation acting like a person--as
this country did under President Carter. What does the human heart mean?
Secular Humanism, the Anthropic principle, "man as god," the center of
all he surveys. "Ye shall be as gods..." Gen. 3:5.

From 1600 until after 1800 this nation was a haven for those who fled
religious persecution in Europe so they could worship God according to
their Spirit led interpretation of His Word. But this nation, since the
late 1800's, has gone a-whoring after the false gods of materialism and
nuclear/electromagnetic energy; and has led other nations down the path
to nuclear destruction. The Lion was the United States of America -- now
she is Babylon.

RUSSIA
The bear is Gog and Ma-gog, the "land of the north," known today as
Russia. In what year was Russia conquered by the delusion of God-less
Communism? Dan. 7:5, Rev. 2:7. See pp. 175, 181.
Who are the three ribs between its teeth? Look at a globe of the world.
Which three nations look like spare-ribs dangling in front of the bear?
Finland, Sweden and Norway. (READERS DIGEST, April '84, p. 94.)

CHINA
The Leopard is China, and her cohorts, the Kings of the East. Dan. 7:6,
11:44, Rev. 9:14, 16:12. Expect war in the east as China consolidates
her empire.

THESE NATIONS CO-EXIST*
All these nations can be seen in the beast of Revelation 13:1 (after
three of the horns are pulled up). Daniel reveals the first three
beasts, whose lives the fourth beast spares, must exist at the same time.

Dan. 7:12 explains. "Yet their lives were spared..." The Ram
(Medo-Persia) did not spare the government of Babylon. Nor did the Goat
(Alexander) spare the government of Medo-Persia. Yet these three beasts
(America, Russia and China) will submit to the Beast's (the European
Empire under Satan) rule and he (Satan) will let them "co-exist in
peace." Then the people of this world will exclaim, "Now we have world
peace!" It is written, "By peace he shall destroy many." Dan. 8:25. Rev.
13:1, 17:13-14.


A MORE DETAILED SEQUENCE
The vision in Chapter 8 is also in several sections. The Ram is
Medo-Persia, the silver kingdom in 2:32 which conquered Babylon. The
rough goat is Greece, the brass part in 2:39. 8:5-8, 21. The first horn
is Alexander, the four horns are the Kingdoms which survived his death.

Verse 9: "And out of one of them came a little horn, which waxed
exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the
pleasant land." As is clear from these visions, the "little horn" is a
man (King or President) who rules a nation. The questions we need to
answer now are: Which nation is this? Who is the man who will rule? And,
what is meant by "Out of one of them?"


The Parts of the Vision
From verse 9 to 12 is a description of this "little horn." Verses 13 and
14 are a conversation between Daniel and the angels. From verse 15
through 18 we are given details of Daniel's request for more
understanding of the meaning of the vision. Verse 20 is the identity of
the Ram, and verse 21 gives the identity of the rough goat. Verse 22
shows Alexander's death and the division of the empire among his four
Generals. Rome is not named. Verses 23, 24 and 25 are another
description of the "little horn" of verse 9, as "he stands against the
Prince of princes" shows. Verse 26 is a very significant statement, to
which we will return.

END TIME GREECE
This prophecy is not about Rome because Greece is named, and, Rome was
broken by many hands. (vv. 21, 22, 25.) This prophecy is not about
Alexander either: since verse 11 states "His sanctuary was cast down..."
And, verse 14 states, "unto 2,300 days; then shall the sanctuary be
cleansed." If this was prophecy about Alexander then he was to destroy
the City and defile the Temple of God -- but he did not.
Therefore, either this prophecy is about Alexander and the Word of God
has been broken; or this prophecy is not about Greece under Alexander.
This prophecy is about modern Greece, and reborn Rome, as led by Satan.

Identify the Cluse
Look for key words which reveal the time of this prophecy's fulfillment.
Verses 17 and 19. "For at the time of the end shall be the vision." See
verses 14, 23, 26 and Habakkuk 2:3. This vision clearly contains
pictographic descriptions of events which will be fulfilled at The End
of time.

Periods of Time Given
Verse 26: Many of God's statements of amounts of time are given in the
form "a day for a year." However, He said He created the Universe in
seven days, and each day contained an evening and a morning. The angels
told Daniel, "the vision of the evening and morning are true." Thus the
2300 evenings and mornings are literal days, not "a day for a year." And
so it is with the 1,290 and 1,335 days. These are about three and a half
years; while 2300 days is 255 days short of seven years. Verses 14, 26,
Gen. 1:5. Dan. 12:9-10. We will study all the prophecies of time periods
in "PROPHETIC TIME PERIODS."

THE KINGDOMS IDENTIFIED
This King and his kingdom will be seen by the descendants of Abraham (by
blood or adoption) who have witnessed the re-birth of Israel. Rome
re-born will make war on Israel re-born. Russia, China, Africa and
Babylon (the United States of America) will submit to Satan's rule. Dan.
8:9, 24, 11:22.
The little horn in 8:9 is the same as in 7:7 -- Satan. This King will
understand magic ("craft" and "dark sentences," 8:23, 25) as did the
sorcerers of ancient Egypt and Babylon. Exo. 7:11, Dan. 2:10. 8:25, see
2:45 and 11:45.

OUT OF ONE OF THESE
"Out of one of these" (v. 9) may mean one of two things: A nation
descendant of one of the four Nations which ruled after the breakup of
Alexander's Greece. Or, a descendant of one of the four men who ruled
after Alexander.

Alexander's kingdom divided at first into four major portions:
1. Cassander ruled in Macedon, (Greece)

2. Lysimachus in Thrace, (Turkey)

3. Seleucus in Mesopotamia (Syria) and Persia,

4. Ptolemy I Soter in the Levant and Egypt.

By the first definition we are told one of four nations would conquer
the world. Macedon, (Greece), Thrace, (Turkey), Mesopotamia (Syria) and
Persia (Iran), the Levant and Egypt. This omits Spain as future ruler of
Europe.

By the second we would be informed that one of the four leader's progeny
survived to produce a world conqueror. Cassander, Lysimachus, Seleucus,
Ptolemy I Soter. This omits Jaun Carlos as the "seventh," and last, king
of Europe. Rev. 17:9-12.

From which nation will the Anti-Christ rise? Greece. Dan. 8:21, Joel
3:6, Zec. 9:13.


You may want to consider:
"A 'Time Line' of End Time Events"
http://tinyurl.com/2qj22n


Continued:
THE BEAST'S END TIME EMPIRE
http://tinyurl.com/3bopfc


Glenn
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