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"Timothy Sutter" |
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04 Nov 2004 06:00:31 AM |
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seven o'clock... |
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| User: "Dore" |
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| Title: Re: seven o'clock... |
05 Nov 2004 05:59:37 PM |
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"Timothy Sutter" <a202010@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:418A19DF.370F@lycos.com...
and all's well
HUH! nothings well, obviously you can't see past your nose and aren't paying
attention, or maybe you have NO conscience like the evil power elite and
think all of the horrors on the earth are entertaining.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Timothy Sutter" <a202010@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:418A19DF.370F@lycos.com...
and all's well
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| User: "Timothy Sutter" |
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| Title: Re: seven o'clock... |
05 Nov 2004 07:48:58 PM |
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Timothy Sutter wrote...
and all's well
Dore wrote:
HUH! nothings well, obviously you can't see past your nose
and aren't paying attention, or maybe you have NO conscience
like the evil power elite and think all of the horrors
on the earth are entertaining.
you are admitting that your problems
in your world are beyond your repair.
this realization of yours, that your problems
in your world are beyond your ability to repair
is a start on the road back to wellness.
if you are asking me, now, to help you
repair your problems in your world,
i will first direct you to
the Cross of Jesus Christ
and God's personal salvation.
we will be more than willing to help,
but angry little statements focused
upon me will get you nowhere.
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| User: "Dore" |
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| Title: Re: seven o'clock... |
06 Nov 2004 03:13:12 PM |
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"Timothy Sutter" <a202010@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:418C2D8A.7924@lycos.com...
you are admitting that your problems
in your world are beyond your repair.
NO, the problems of the WHOLE world are MY problems and they are yours as
well, you just choose not to care about them and that is why the world is in
the horrible shape it is in. We all need to pay attention and be a part of
the solution of ALL of the world's problems, so that they can all be
remedied for everyone, not just sit in the comforts of your own world and
pretend nothing is happening around you because eventually it will be in
your back yard or wallet.
cont
this realization of yours, that your problems
in your world are beyond your ability to repair
is a start on the road back to wellness.
The ONLY problems I have in my world are the one that are FORCED upon me by
those in power and the GREED of men.
cont
if you are asking me, now, to help you
repair your problems in your world,
No, I am asking you to step and pay attention to what is going on in the
world to help ALL problems that affect us all.
cont.
i will first direct you to
the Cross of Jesus Christ
and God's personal salvation.
I am Jesus Christ and you not realizing this fact is one of my problems.
cont
we will be more than willing to help,
but angry little statements focused
upon me will get you nowhere.
If you are NOT part of the solution, then you are part of the problem and by
sticking your head in the sand and saying everything is all well with the
world is being part of the problem.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Timothy Sutter" <a202010@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:418C2D8A.7924@lycos.com...
Timothy Sutter wrote...
and all's well
Dore wrote:
HUH! nothings well, obviously you can't see past your nose
and aren't paying attention, or maybe you have NO conscience
like the evil power elite and think all of the horrors
on the earth are entertaining.
you are admitting that your problems
in your world are beyond your repair.
this realization of yours, that your problems
in your world are beyond your ability to repair
is a start on the road back to wellness.
if you are asking me, now, to help you
repair your problems in your world,
i will first direct you to
the Cross of Jesus Christ
and God's personal salvation.
we will be more than willing to help,
but angry little statements focused
upon me will get you nowhere.
.
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| User: "Timothy Sutter" |
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| Title: Re: seven o'clock... |
06 Nov 2004 05:19:14 PM |
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"Timothy Sutter wrote...
you are admitting that your problems
in your world are beyond your repair.
Dore wrote:
NO, the problems of the WHOLE world are MY
problems and they are yours as well,
Dore wrote:
I am Jesus Christ and you not realizing
this fact is one of my problems.
we do not have the same problems.
you'd like to claim that i am
the source of your problems.
Dore wrote:
The ONLY problems I have in my world are the
one that are FORCED upon me by those in power
and the GREED of men.
Dore wrote:
I am Jesus Christ and you not realizing
this fact is one of my problems.
so, your main problem is that i don't
recognize you as Jesus Christ,
now, you'd be claiming that my not
recognizing you as Jesus Christ is being
forced upon you by greedy powerful men.
your problem is that i don't
recognize you as Jesus Christ,
you'd also claim that the entire world's
problem is not recognizing you as Jesus Christ.
Dore wrote:
you just choose not to care about them
and that is why the world is in the horrible shape it is in.
so, i'm personally to blame for all the world's 'problems'
because i don't recognize you as Jesus Christ because
powerful and greedy men are preventing me and
the entire world from seeing this.
so, you blame me for the actions of other people.
Jesus wouldn't blame me for
the actions of other people.
one strike against the prospect
that you are Jesus Christ.
Dore wrote:
We all need to pay attention and be a part of the solution
of ALL of the world's problems, so that they can all be
remedied for everyone,
for you, the world's problems may
be remedied only when you are
recognized as Jesus Christ.
Dore wrote:
not just sit in the comforts of your own world
what makes you think my world is comfortable?
Dore wrote:
and pretend nothing is happening around you
your problem is that i don't
recognize you as Jesus Christ.
i don't share your problem,
you'd like to claim that i am your problem.
Dore wrote:
because eventually it will be in your back yard or wallet.
digging around in my backyard will not likely
result in your being recognized as Jesus Christ.
digging around in my wallet will not likely
result in your being recognized as Jesus Christ.
i'm not responsible for being prevented
from recognizing you as Jesus Christ.
you simply do not resemble Jesus Christ.
"Timothy Sutter wrote...
this realization of yours, that your problems
in your world are beyond your ability to repair
is a start on the road back to wellness.
Dore wrote:
The ONLY problems I have in my world are the one that
are FORCED upon me by those in power and the GREED of men.
Dore wrote:
I am Jesus Christ and you not realizing
this fact is one of my problems.
my recognition of Jesus Christ has never
been nullified by powerful and greedy men,
and so, that your recognition as Jesus Christ
is nullified by powerful and greedy men does
not speak well of your being Jesus Christ.
my not recognizing you as
Jesus Christ is not a
problem for me.
"Timothy Sutter wrote...
if you are asking me, now, to help you
repair your problems in your world,
Dore wrote:
No, I am asking you to step and pay attention
to what is going on in the world to help ALL
problems that affect us all.
your problem doesn't affect anyone else.
you are having a personal identity crisis.
"Timothy Sutter wrote...
i will first direct you to
the Cross of Jesus Christ
and God's personal salvation.
Dore wrote:
I am Jesus Christ and you not realizing
this fact is one of my problems.
so, powerful greedy men are preventing
me from seeing that you are Jesus Christ.
"Timothy Sutter wrote...
we will be more than willing to help,
but angry little statements focused
upon me will get you nowhere.
Dore wrote:
If you are NOT part of the solution, then you are part
of the problem and by sticking your head in the sand
and saying everything is all well with the
world is being part of the problem.
Jesus is noted to have told people not
to worry about what they will wear and
what they will eat.
perhaps i simply don't have
the same concerns as you.
you claim that greedy and powerful men
can make problems for you in such a way,
one suspects, that you are prevented
from attaining some aspect of your
being that you consider beneficial.
Jesus Christ would never
even suggest such a thing.
your world may indeed be fraught
with angzieties, but Jesus assures
me that i have no thing to fear.
my ability to be charitable in
any given situation is my concern.
that you do not recognize my charity
speaks against your being Jesus Christ.
Jesus would never accuse me of being
without love, the love Jesus has given me,
or without a conscience, a conscience
Jesus has given me.
Jesus would never accuse me
of being indifferent to people.
-you- are the one doing all
of the accusing here.
Jesus is not my accuser.
perhaps my not recognizing you as Jesus Christ
is because you behave in a manner which
speaks against such a recognition.
and so, greedy powerful men are not
preventing your recognition as Jesus Christ.
and so, you don't rightly recognize
the source of your own problems.
and so, you can thank me for taking
the time and paying the attention you
so need so as to assist you in
solving your problems.
so, of the two of us,
i am helpful and
you are not.
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| User: "Dore" |
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| Title: Re: seven o'clock... |
06 Nov 2004 11:36:06 PM |
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"Timothy Sutter" <a202010@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:418D5BF2.5A5C@lycos.com...
we do not have the same problems.
Sure we do. Our problems are enslavement by the power elite, high taxes,
forced servitude to money, crime, corruption in government, loss of all
freedom and liberty because of the Patriot Acts, violence, war, deceit,
propaganda, manipulation, brainwashing, lies, etc. In fact, the whole world
has the same problems.
cont
so, your main problem is that i don't
recognize you as Jesus Christ,
No, that's YOUR problem.
cont
now, you'd be claiming that my not
recognizing you as Jesus Christ is being
forced upon you by greedy powerful men.
Huh? never said that..
cont
your problem is that i don't
recognize you as Jesus Christ,
Again, that is YOUR problem, not mine.
cont
you'd also claim that the entire world's
problem is not recognizing you as Jesus Christ.
Yes, it is.
cont
so, i'm personally to blame for all the world's 'problems'
because i don't recognize you as Jesus Christ because
powerful and greedy men are preventing me and
the entire world from seeing this.
Of course not, all I am saying is that to say everything is all is well, is
NOT true, and I hope that you will recognize the world's problem and take
some part in remedying them, that's all. Whether is be in your doing
research about what is truly going on in the world, as well as learning and
KNOWING the complete truths of God and teaching others what you know or
being some active part in helping.
cont
so, you blame me for the actions of other people.
No I am blaming you for thinking that there is NOTHING wrong and everything
is all well, when it is clearly NOT all well, not in any semblance of the
word. Perhaps in your life and world, everything is fine, but if it is so,
then why post it?
cont
Jesus wouldn't blame me for
the actions of other people.
I blame you only for your own actions, and that action was stating that
everything is all well, as if it were.
cont
one strike against the prospect
that you are Jesus Christ.
Obviously, you don't understand this discussion.
cont
for you, the world's problems may
be remedied only when you are
recognized as Jesus Christ.
Do you know what, if the whole world DID recognize me for who I am and
allowed me to take over, I would eradicate ALL problems in the world and
there would be NO MORE EVIL on the earth and you would see power from on
high that you couldn't even imagine.
cont
Dore wrote:
not just sit in the comforts of your own world
what makes you think my world is comfortable?
Because you said that everything is all well?
cont
Dore wrote:
and pretend nothing is happening around you
your problem is that i don't
recognize you as Jesus Christ.
No, all of our problems is what is going on in the world, and what is
happening that needs action. Pay attention to the conversation.
cont
i don't share your problem,
Then you don't live on this planet.
cont
you'd like to claim that i am your problem.
The whole earth is my problem.
cont
Dore wrote:
because eventually it will be in your back yard or wallet.
digging around in my backyard will not likely
result in your being recognized as Jesus Christ.
digging around in my wallet will not likely
result in your being recognized as Jesus Christ.
i'm not responsible for being prevented
from recognizing you as Jesus Christ.
you simply do not resemble Jesus Christ.
Are you mocking me or are you really that incapable of following a
conversation?
Isa 28:22
22 Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I
have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon
the whole earth.
KJV
Obviously, you are completely unaware of what is about to come upon the
earth.
cont
Jesus is noted to have told people not
to worry about what they will wear and
what they will eat.
Well, that was before the end times began and the battle against ALL evil
commenced or don't you know what time it is?
Isa 13:4-9
4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a
tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of
hosts mustereth the host of the battle.
5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and
the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.
6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a
destruction from the Almighty.
7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they
shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at
another; their faces shall be as flames.
9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce
anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof
out of it.
KJV
cont
perhaps i simply don't have
the same concerns as you.
You should, not only is every element of your life on earth affected, but
your eternal life as well.
cont
you claim that greedy and powerful men
can make problems for you in such a way,
one suspects, that you are prevented
from attaining some aspect of your
being that you consider beneficial.
Oh so you think that living under the system of the BEAST and being enslaved
and oppressed by SATAN'S servants ruling the earth isn't a problem, for you,
only me? As usual, I gotta do everything.
cont
Jesus Christ would never
even suggest such a thing.
Read the prophecies.
cont
your world may indeed be fraught
with angzieties, but Jesus assures
me that i have no thing to fear.
Nothing to fear if you have completely prepared yourself for this day of
judgment, and completely prepared in righteousness and truths for the battle
that is about to take place.
cont
my ability to be charitable in
any given situation is my concern.
Who was talking about charity?
cont
that you do not recognize my charity
speaks against your being Jesus Christ.
Don't be ridiculous.
cont
Jesus would never accuse me of being
without love, the love Jesus has given me,
or without a conscience, a conscience
Jesus has given me.
How about being without knowledge and being unprepared for the great day of
the Lord, and being ready to fight against all evil?
cont
Jesus would never accuse me
of being indifferent to people.
-you- are the one doing all
of the accusing here.
Jesus is not my accuser.
I am admonishing, chastising and rebuking. There is a difference.
cont
perhaps my not recognizing you as Jesus Christ
is because you behave in a manner which
speaks against such a recognition.
Perhaps your not recognizing me as Christ, is the fact that you have NO
knowledge of the prophecies about these times and what is going on in the
world, as well as the truths I bring, as well as not having the HOLY SPIRIT
of truth having you completely prepared into all truths, so you are not
ignorant of these times and events.
cont
and so, greedy powerful men are not
preventing your recognition as Jesus Christ.
NO, they are abusing, enslaving, using, brainwashing, manipulating, lying,
deceiving, and oppressing all mankind. At least I care about ALL mankind.
cont
and so, you don't rightly recognize
the source of your own problems.
You being blind to everyone's problems that is going on in the world, should
be recognized by all. You can't solve the earth's problems, but pretending
they don't exist.
cont
and so, you can thank me for taking
the time and paying the attention you
so need so as to assist you in
solving your problems.
You obviously assist no one, and certainly NOT me, for if you were assisting
me, you would KNOW ME, the truths of God, what time it is in Biblical
prophecy, prepared with all knowledge, wisdom, truths and righteousness of
God and would be HELPING me, and NOT ridiculing me in your sarcastic manner.
cont
so, of the two of us,
i am helpful and
you are not.
How is that?
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Timothy Sutter" <a202010@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:418D5BF2.5A5C@lycos.com...
"Timothy Sutter wrote...
you are admitting that your problems
in your world are beyond your repair.
Dore wrote:
NO, the problems of the WHOLE world are MY
problems and they are yours as well,
Dore wrote:
I am Jesus Christ and you not realizing
this fact is one of my problems.
we do not have the same problems.
you'd like to claim that i am
the source of your problems.
Dore wrote:
The ONLY problems I have in my world are the
one that are FORCED upon me by those in power
and the GREED of men.
Dore wrote:
I am Jesus Christ and you not realizing
this fact is one of my problems.
so, your main problem is that i don't
recognize you as Jesus Christ,
now, you'd be claiming that my not
recognizing you as Jesus Christ is being
forced upon you by greedy powerful men.
your problem is that i don't
recognize you as Jesus Christ,
you'd also claim that the entire world's
problem is not recognizing you as Jesus Christ.
Dore wrote:
you just choose not to care about them
and that is why the world is in the horrible shape it is in.
so, i'm personally to blame for all the world's 'problems'
because i don't recognize you as Jesus Christ because
powerful and greedy men are preventing me and
the entire world from seeing this.
so, you blame me for the actions of other people.
Jesus wouldn't blame me for
the actions of other people.
one strike against the prospect
that you are Jesus Christ.
Dore wrote:
We all need to pay attention and be a part of the solution
of ALL of the world's problems, so that they can all be
remedied for everyone,
for you, the world's problems may
be remedied only when you are
recognized as Jesus Christ.
Dore wrote:
not just sit in the comforts of your own world
what makes you think my world is comfortable?
Dore wrote:
and pretend nothing is happening around you
your problem is that i don't
recognize you as Jesus Christ.
i don't share your problem,
you'd like to claim that i am your problem.
Dore wrote:
because eventually it will be in your back yard or wallet.
digging around in my backyard will not likely
result in your being recognized as Jesus Christ.
digging around in my wallet will not likely
result in your being recognized as Jesus Christ.
i'm not responsible for being prevented
from recognizing you as Jesus Christ.
you simply do not resemble Jesus Christ.
"Timothy Sutter wrote...
this realization of yours, that your problems
in your world are beyond your ability to repair
is a start on the road back to wellness.
Dore wrote:
The ONLY problems I have in my world are the one that
are FORCED upon me by those in power and the GREED of men.
Dore wrote:
I am Jesus Christ and you not realizing
this fact is one of my problems.
my recognition of Jesus Christ has never
been nullified by powerful and greedy men,
and so, that your recognition as Jesus Christ
is nullified by powerful and greedy men does
not speak well of your being Jesus Christ.
my not recognizing you as
Jesus Christ is not a
problem for me.
"Timothy Sutter wrote...
if you are asking me, now, to help you
repair your problems in your world,
Dore wrote:
No, I am asking you to step and pay attention
to what is going on in the world to help ALL
problems that affect us all.
your problem doesn't affect anyone else.
you are having a personal identity crisis.
"Timothy Sutter wrote...
i will first direct you to
the Cross of Jesus Christ
and God's personal salvation.
Dore wrote:
I am Jesus Christ and you not realizing
this fact is one of my problems.
so, powerful greedy men are preventing
me from seeing that you are Jesus Christ.
"Timothy Sutter wrote...
we will be more than willing to help,
but angry little statements focused
upon me will get you nowhere.
Dore wrote:
If you are NOT part of the solution, then you are part
of the problem and by sticking your head in the sand
and saying everything is all well with the
world is being part of the problem.
Jesus is noted to have told people not
to worry about what they will wear and
what they will eat.
perhaps i simply don't have
the same concerns as you.
you claim that greedy and powerful men
can make problems for you in such a way,
one suspects, that you are prevented
from attaining some aspect of your
being that you consider beneficial.
Jesus Christ would never
even suggest such a thing.
your world may indeed be fraught
with angzieties, but Jesus assures
me that i have no thing to fear.
my ability to be charitable in
any given situation is my concern.
that you do not recognize my charity
speaks against your being Jesus Christ.
Jesus would never accuse me of being
without love, the love Jesus has given me,
or without a conscience, a conscience
Jesus has given me.
Jesus would never accuse me
of being indifferent to people.
-you- are the one doing all
of the accusing here.
Jesus is not my accuser.
perhaps my not recognizing you as Jesus Christ
is because you behave in a manner which
speaks against such a recognition.
and so, greedy powerful men are not
preventing your recognition as Jesus Christ.
and so, you don't rightly recognize
the source of your own problems.
and so, you can thank me for taking
the time and paying the attention you
so need so as to assist you in
solving your problems.
so, of the two of us,
i am helpful and
you are not.
.
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| User: "Timothy Sutter" |
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| Title: Re: seven o'clock... |
07 Nov 2004 03:35:32 AM |
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Dore wrote:
No I am blaming you for thinking that there is NOTHING wrong and everything
is all well, when it is clearly NOT all well, not in any semblance of the
word. Perhaps in your life and world, everything is fine, but if it is so,
then why post it?
I blame you only for your own actions, and that action was stating that
everything is all well, as if it were.
No, all of our problems is what is going on in the world, and what is
happening that needs action.
Of course not, all I am saying is that to say everything is all is well, is
NOT true, and I hope that you will recognize the world's problem and take
some part in remedying them, that's all. Whether is be in your doing
research about what is truly going on in the world, as well as learning and
KNOWING the complete truths of God and teaching others what you know or
being some active part in helping.
Well, that was before the end times began and the battle against ALL evil
commenced or don't you know what time it is?
Oh so you think that living under the system of the BEAST and being enslaved
and oppressed by SATAN'S servants ruling the earth isn't a problem, for you,
only me? As usual, I gotta do everything.
You being blind to everyone's problems that is going on in the world, should
be recognized by all. You can't solve the earth's problems, but pretending
they don't exist.
look at it this way;
a woman is having a child, in the throes of labor,
that woman is experiencing a discomfort,
but -i- _already_ see the child as born and all is well.
-you- simply do not see the child as born
and therefore, accuse me of being indifferent
to the woman's discomfort, which
discomfort i see beyond.
i assure you, this brief discomfort
will not be remembered.
any discomfort -i- may feel while the woman
is in the throes of childbirth is -already- remedied
by my confident assurance that God's
exacting will shall not be voided.
a confident assurance provided -by- God.
pointing at Christ and showing the woman
some comfort in so doing, is an acknowledgement
of her temporary sufferings along with
a fixed surety that all is, indeed, well.
Timothy Sutter wrote:
we do not have the same problems.
Dore wrote:
Sure we do.
Our problems are enslavement by the power elite, high taxes,
forced servitude to money, crime, corruption in government, loss of all
freedom and liberty because of the Patriot Acts, violence, war, deceit,
propaganda, manipulation, brainwashing, lies, etc. In fact, the whole world
has the same problems.
none of this is a problem for God.
as of now, my life is hidden in Christ.
i am seated in the heavenly places in Christ.
and the life i lead is not my own, but Christ's.
if you were Christ, you'd be aware of that.
any temporary sufferings i may experience
are already remedied by the simple fact that
i see the finished product as already complete.
Timothy Sutter wrote:
Jesus would never accuse me of being
without love, the love Jesus has given me,
or without a conscience, a conscience
Jesus has given me.
Dore wrote:
How about being without knowledge and being unprepared
for the great day of the Lord, and being ready to fight against all evil?
Nothing to fear if you have completely prepared yourself for
this day of judgment, and completely prepared in righteousness
and truths for the battle that is about to take place.
Christ -is- my victory.
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| User: "Dore" |
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| Title: Re: seven o'clock... |
08 Nov 2004 06:23:59 PM |
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"Timothy Sutter" <a202010@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:418DEC64.9ED@lycos.com...
look at it this way;
a woman is having a child, in the throes of labor,
that woman is experiencing a discomfort,
but -i- _already_ see the child as born and all is well.
-you- simply do not see the child as born
and therefore, accuse me of being indifferent
to the woman's discomfort, which
discomfort i see beyond.
i assure you, this brief discomfort
will not be remembered.
any discomfort -i- may feel while the woman
is in the throes of childbirth is -already- remedied
by my confident assurance that God's
exacting will shall not be voided.
pointing at Christ and showing the woman
some comfort in so doing, is an acknowledgement
of her temporary sufferings along with
a fixed surety that all is, indeed, well.
So while that woman is in extreme pain and discomfort, you smile and are
confidant that everything will be alright, while IGNORING HER NEEDS for
relief in the time that she needs it? What, you don't hold her hand, wipe
her brow, give her water to drink and try to alleviate any discomfort she
has at the time, but tell her that her pain will not be remembered, and that
she is already remedied? Obviously, you have never been around a woman in
the throes of childbirth, nor have any clue of the massive pain and anguish,
emotional and physical that she experiences in that time. In fact, if you
were to point a woman in labor, to Christ, and tell her that her sufferings
are temporary, and everything is well, while she is writhing in such extreme
pain that you, being a man, cannot even imagine, let me give you some
advice, stay out of range of her, for your head would be knocked through a
wall.
you wrote.
none of this is a problem for God.
No, it is NOT a problem for God, but as God has done throughout history,
sent His servants to DO what is necessary to remedy the situation.
cont
as of now, my life is hidden in Christ.
i am seated in the heavenly places in Christ.
and the life i lead is not my own, but Christ's.
Really, so you have repented of all sin, stopped sinning, are pure, holy,
righteous, know the Word from cover to cover that it is all written on your
heart and mind, so that you LIVE it each and every minute of every day in
thought, word, action and deed, as well as have forsaken ALL things of the
earth, money, possessions, jobs, careers, homes, family, sex and lands for
the sake of the kingdom to be a true disciple of Christ? Unless you have
DONE every word of Christ, walk, live and abide in all that Christ did and
said, then you life is still yours, until you do.
PS. you are not seated in any heavenly places, until I judge you righteous,
holy, pure, and perfect before my throne and give you that crown.
cont
if you were Christ, you'd be aware of that.
I am Christ, but I don't see any evidence of that.
cont
any temporary sufferings i may experience
are already remedied by the simple fact that
i see the finished product as already complete.
That's fine, I see the finished product as well, but that doesn't mean I can
sit on my duff and wait for it, without lifting a finger to bring it about.
cont
Christ -is- my victory.
Am I? So you are going to sit around and wait for me to DO everything, while
you reap all of the rewards of MY work? Thanks for nothing.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Timothy Sutter" <a202010@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:418DEC64.9ED@lycos.com...
Dore wrote:
No I am blaming you for thinking that there is NOTHING wrong and
everything
is all well, when it is clearly NOT all well, not in any semblance of
the
word. Perhaps in your life and world, everything is fine, but if it is
so,
then why post it?
I blame you only for your own actions, and that action was stating that
everything is all well, as if it were.
No, all of our problems is what is going on in the world, and what is
happening that needs action.
Of course not, all I am saying is that to say everything is all is well,
is
NOT true, and I hope that you will recognize the world's problem and
take
some part in remedying them, that's all. Whether is be in your doing
research about what is truly going on in the world, as well as learning
and
KNOWING the complete truths of God and teaching others what you know or
being some active part in helping.
Well, that was before the end times began and the battle against ALL
evil
commenced or don't you know what time it is?
Oh so you think that living under the system of the BEAST and being
enslaved
and oppressed by SATAN'S servants ruling the earth isn't a problem, for
you,
only me? As usual, I gotta do everything.
You being blind to everyone's problems that is going on in the world,
should
be recognized by all. You can't solve the earth's problems, but
pretending
they don't exist.
look at it this way;
a woman is having a child, in the throes of labor,
that woman is experiencing a discomfort,
but -i- _already_ see the child as born and all is well.
-you- simply do not see the child as born
and therefore, accuse me of being indifferent
to the woman's discomfort, which
discomfort i see beyond.
i assure you, this brief discomfort
will not be remembered.
any discomfort -i- may feel while the woman
is in the throes of childbirth is -already- remedied
by my confident assurance that God's
exacting will shall not be voided.
a confident assurance provided -by- God.
pointing at Christ and showing the woman
some comfort in so doing, is an acknowledgement
of her temporary sufferings along with
a fixed surety that all is, indeed, well.
Timothy Sutter wrote:
we do not have the same problems.
Dore wrote:
Sure we do.
Our problems are enslavement by the power elite, high taxes,
forced servitude to money, crime, corruption in government, loss of all
freedom and liberty because of the Patriot Acts, violence, war, deceit,
propaganda, manipulation, brainwashing, lies, etc. In fact, the whole
world
has the same problems.
none of this is a problem for God.
as of now, my life is hidden in Christ.
i am seated in the heavenly places in Christ.
and the life i lead is not my own, but Christ's.
if you were Christ, you'd be aware of that.
any temporary sufferings i may experience
are already remedied by the simple fact that
i see the finished product as already complete.
Timothy Sutter wrote:
Jesus would never accuse me of being
without love, the love Jesus has given me,
or without a conscience, a conscience
Jesus has given me.
Dore wrote:
How about being without knowledge and being unprepared
for the great day of the Lord, and being ready to fight against all
evil?
Nothing to fear if you have completely prepared yourself for
this day of judgment, and completely prepared in righteousness
and truths for the battle that is about to take place.
Christ -is- my victory.
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08 Nov 2004 11:09:18 PM |
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Timothy Sutter wrote...
look at it this way;
a woman is having a child, in the throes of labor,
that woman is experiencing a discomfort,
but -i- _already_ see the child as born and all is well.
-you- simply do not see the child as born
and therefore, accuse me of being indifferent
to the woman's discomfort, which
discomfort i see beyond.
i assure you, this brief discomfort
will not be remembered.
any discomfort -i- may feel while the woman
is in the throes of childbirth is -already- remedied
by my confident assurance that God's
exacting will shall not be voided.
pointing at Christ and showing the woman
some comfort in so doing, is an acknowledgement
of her temporary sufferings along with
a fixed surety that all is, indeed, well.
Dore wrote:
So while that woman is in extreme pain and discomfort, you smile and are
confidant that everything will be alright, while IGNORING HER NEEDS for
relief in the time that she needs it? What, you don't hold her hand, wipe
her brow, give her water to drink and try to alleviate any discomfort she
has at the time, but tell her that her pain will not be remembered, and that
she is already remedied? Obviously, you have never been around a woman in
the throes of childbirth, nor have any clue of the massive pain and anguish,
emotional and physical that she experiences in that time.
God may allow even his apples
to endure suffering for a time.
===
1 Peter 2:19-20
For this is commendable, if because of conscience
toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your
faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good
and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is
commendable before God.
1 Peter 3:14,17
But even if you should suffer for righteousness'
sake, you are blessed. "And do not be afraid
of their threats, nor be troubled.",,
For it is better, if it is the will of God,
to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.
1 Peter 4:13,15-16,19
but rejoice to the extent that you partake
of Christ's sufferings, that when His glory
is revealed, you may also be glad
with exceeding joy.,,
But let none of you suffer as a murderer,
a thief, an evildoer, or as a busybody
in other people's matters.
Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian,
let him not be ashamed, but let him
glorify God in this matter.,,
Therefore let those who suffer according
to the will of God commit their souls to
Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator.
1 Peter 5:9
Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing
that the same sufferings are experienced
by your brotherhood in the world.
1 Timothy 2:15
Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing
if they continue in faith, love, and holiness,
with self-control.
===
Dore wrote:
In fact, if you were to point a woman in labor, to Christ,
and tell her that her sufferings are temporary, and
everything is well, while she is writhing in such extreme
pain that you, being a man, cannot even imagine, let me
give you some advice, stay out of range of her, for your
head would be knocked through a wall.
here's some advice;
===
Proverbs 1:24-27
Because I have called and you refused,
I have stretched out my hand and no one regarded,
Because you disdained all my counsel,
And would have none of my rebuke,
I also will laugh at your calamity;
I will mock when your terror comes,
When your terror comes like a storm,
And your destruction comes like a whirlwind,
When distress and anguish come upon you.
"Then they will call on me, but I will not answer;
They will seek me diligently, but they will not find me.
Because they hated knowledge
And did not choose the fear of YHWH,
They would have none of my counsel
And despised my every rebuke.
Therefore they shall eat the fruit of their own way,
And be filled to the full with their own fancies.
For the turning away of the simple will slay them,
And the complacency of fools will destroy them;
But whoever listens to me will dwell safely,
And will be secure, without fear of evil."
===
i'm not here to scorn the sufferings of those
whose suffering is of a legitimate nature,
the door is open
my advice is that you enter before it is shut.
Timothy Sutter wrote...
none of this is a problem for God.
Dore wrote:
No, it is NOT a problem for God, but as God has
done throughout history, sent His servants to DO
what is necessary to remedy the situation.
your purpose here seems only to be
in backbiting a very nice person,
namely me, Timothy Sutter.
tell me exactly how backbiting me
is bringing remedy to;
Dore writes:
""Our problems are enslavement by the power elite,
high taxes, forced servitude to money, crime,
corruption in government, loss of all freedom
and liberty because of the Patriot Acts, violence,
war, deceit, propaganda, manipulation,
brainwashing, lies, etc.""
how exactly does badgering
me remedy -your- troubles?
Timothy Sutter wrote...
as of now, my life is hidden in Christ.
i am seated in the heavenly places in Christ.
and the life i lead is not my own, but Christ's.
Dore wrote:
Really, so you have repented of all sin, stopped sinning, are pure, holy,
righteous, know the Word from cover to cover that it is all written on your
heart and mind, so that you LIVE it each and every minute of every day in
thought, word, action and deed, as well as have forsaken ALL things of the
earth, money, possessions, jobs, careers, homes, family, sex and lands for
the sake of the kingdom to be a true disciple of Christ? Unless you have
DONE every word of Christ, walk, live and abide in all that Christ did and
said, then you life is still yours, until you do.
well, first, check these out;
===
Colossians 3:2-4
Set your mind on things above, not on things
on the earth. For you died, and your life is
hidden with Christ in God. When Christ who
is our life appears, then you also will
appear with Him in glory.
===
-your- entire problem set is
focused on things of this world,
taxes and money and people in your wallet.
Dore writes:
""Our problems are enslavement by the power elite,
high taxes, forced servitude to money, crime,
corruption in government, loss of all freedom
and liberty because of the Patriot Acts, violence,
war, deceit, propaganda, manipulation,
brainwashing, lies, etc.""
-your- problems are entirely 'worldly'
Dore wrote:
No, it is NOT a problem for God,
but you say that these worldly
things are not problems for God.
so, according to what you say;
you as 'Christ' have problems
which are -not- problems for God.
i'm just dead to the world,
but alive to God.
===
Ephesians 2
1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,
2in which you once walked according to the course of this world,
according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who
now works in the sons of disobedience, 3among whom also we
all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling
the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature
children of wrath, just as the others.
4But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His
great love with which He loved us, 5even when
we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together
with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6and
raised us up together, and made us sit together
in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
7that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding
riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
8For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that
not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not of works, lest
anyone should boast. 10For we are His workmanship,
created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God
prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
===
mind you, it's not the book or
the letters that do the work,
it is Christ, that able craftsman
that enters into your word
in The Holy Spirit.
i'm sure i've posted things
of a more extensive nature.
i'll do so again.
Dore wrote:
PS. you are not seated in any heavenly places, until
I judge you righteous, holy, pure, and perfect before
my throne and give you that crown.
God declares a thing and that declaration becomes.
God has already declared me as righteous,
in fact, Christ brought me back into
communion with God before i was even born.
that is to say, Christ repaired my relationship
with God before i even had the chance
to stumble to the ground.
i am Christ's workmanship.
it's God's design.
i was created to stand holy
and blameless before God.
such a thing as i intend to come
into full agreement with God over.
one which i receive with a
multitude of thanksgivings.
such is -available- to all who
would draw near to God.
and, if you have such a desire to draw
near to God, it is because God is
drawing you near to God.
i've written quite extensively on the matters.
if you'd like, i can repost some of that.
Timothy Sutter wrote...
if you were Christ, you'd be aware of that.
Dore wrote:
I am Christ, but I don't see any evidence of that.
you don't see any evidence that you are Christ.
in fact, your words speak in such a manner
that distance you from such identification.
Timothy Sutter wrote...
any temporary sufferings i may experience
are already remedied by the simple fact that
i see the finished product as already complete.
Dore wrote:
That's fine, I see the finished product as well, but that
doesn't mean I can sit on my duff and wait for it,
without lifting a finger to bring it about.
===
Deuteronomy 1:30
YHWH your God, who goes before you,
will fight for you, according to all He did
for you in Egypt before your eyes,
===
if you had scouted the promise,
you'd walk in and take possession of it.
your eyes are fixated on
money and worldly goods.
Timothy Sutter wrote...
Christ -is- my victory.
Dore wrote:
Am I?
no.
Dore wrote:
So you are going to sit around and wait for me
to DO everything, while you reap all of the
rewards of MY work? Thanks for nothing.
===
Exodus 14:14
YHWH will fight for you,
and you shall hold your peace."
===
this 'Dore' person is incapable
of doing either good or bad.
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09 Nov 2004 11:54:31 PM |
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but -i- _already_ see the child as born and all is well.
No, not all is well, the trouble is just getting started!
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| User: "Timothy Sutter" |
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07 Nov 2004 06:00:12 AM |
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and all's well.
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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20 Jan 2005 07:22:20 AM |
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Rev.12:10-12
"Timothy Sutter" <a202010@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:418D5BF2.5A5C@lycos.com...
"Timothy Sutter wrote...
you are admitting that your problems
in your world are beyond your repair.
Dore wrote:
NO, the problems of the WHOLE world are MY
problems and they are yours as well,
Dore wrote:
I am Jesus Christ and you not realizing
this fact is one of my problems.
we do not have the same problems.
you'd like to claim that i am
the source of your problems.
Dore wrote:
The ONLY problems I have in my world are the
one that are FORCED upon me by those in power
and the GREED of men.
Dore wrote:
I am Jesus Christ and you not realizing
this fact is one of my problems.
so, your main problem is that i don't
recognize you as Jesus Christ,
now, you'd be claiming that my not
recognizing you as Jesus Christ is being
forced upon you by greedy powerful men.
your problem is that i don't
recognize you as Jesus Christ,
you'd also claim that the entire world's
problem is not recognizing you as Jesus Christ.
Dore wrote:
you just choose not to care about them
and that is why the world is in the horrible shape it is in.
so, i'm personally to blame for all the world's 'problems'
because i don't recognize you as Jesus Christ because
powerful and greedy men are preventing me and
the entire world from seeing this.
so, you blame me for the actions of other people.
Jesus wouldn't blame me for
the actions of other people.
one strike against the prospect
that you are Jesus Christ.
Dore wrote:
We all need to pay attention and be a part of the solution
of ALL of the world's problems, so that they can all be
remedied for everyone,
for you, the world's problems may
be remedied only when you are
recognized as Jesus Christ.
Dore wrote:
not just sit in the comforts of your own world
what makes you think my world is comfortable?
Dore wrote:
and pretend nothing is happening around you
your problem is that i don't
recognize you as Jesus Christ.
i don't share your problem,
you'd like to claim that i am your problem.
Dore wrote:
because eventually it will be in your back yard or wallet.
digging around in my backyard will not likely
result in your being recognized as Jesus Christ.
digging around in my wallet will not likely
result in your being recognized as Jesus Christ.
i'm not responsible for being prevented
from recognizing you as Jesus Christ.
you simply do not resemble Jesus Christ.
"Timothy Sutter wrote...
this realization of yours, that your problems
in your world are beyond your ability to repair
is a start on the road back to wellness.
Dore wrote:
The ONLY problems I have in my world are the one that
are FORCED upon me by those in power and the GREED of men.
Dore wrote:
I am Jesus Christ and you not realizing
this fact is one of my problems.
my recognition of Jesus Christ has never
been nullified by powerful and greedy men,
and so, that your recognition as Jesus Christ
is nullified by powerful and greedy men does
not speak well of your being Jesus Christ.
my not recognizing you as
Jesus Christ is not a
problem for me.
"Timothy Sutter wrote...
if you are asking me, now, to help you
repair your problems in your world,
Dore wrote:
No, I am asking you to step and pay attention
to what is going on in the world to help ALL
problems that affect us all.
your problem doesn't affect anyone else.
you are having a personal identity crisis.
"Timothy Sutter wrote...
i will first direct you to
the Cross of Jesus Christ
and God's personal salvation.
Dore wrote:
I am Jesus Christ and you not realizing
this fact is one of my problems.
so, powerful greedy men are preventing
me from seeing that you are Jesus Christ.
"Timothy Sutter wrote...
we will be more than willing to help,
but angry little statements focused
upon me will get you nowhere.
Dore wrote:
If you are NOT part of the solution, then you are part
of the problem and by sticking your head in the sand
and saying everything is all well with the
world is being part of the problem.
Jesus is noted to have told people not
to worry about what they will wear and
what they will eat.
perhaps i simply don't have
the same concerns as you.
you claim that greedy and powerful men
can make problems for you in such a way,
one suspects, that you are prevented
from attaining some aspect of your
being that you consider beneficial.
Jesus Christ would never
even suggest such a thing.
your world may indeed be fraught
with angzieties, but Jesus assures
me that i have no thing to fear.
my ability to be charitable in
any given situation is my concern.
that you do not recognize my charity
speaks against your being Jesus Christ.
Jesus would never accuse me of being
without love, the love Jesus has given me,
or without a conscience, a conscience
Jesus has given me.
Jesus would never accuse me
of being indifferent to people.
-you- are the one doing all
of the accusing here.
Jesus is not my accuser.
perhaps my not recognizing you as Jesus Christ
is because you behave in a manner which
speaks against such a recognition.
and so, greedy powerful men are not
preventing your recognition as Jesus Christ.
and so, you don't rightly recognize
the source of your own problems.
and so, you can thank me for taking
the time and paying the attention you
so need so as to assist you in
solving your problems.
so, of the two of us,
i am helpful and
you are not.
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21 Jan 2005 09:42:23 PM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:10uvc4ecns1aq33@corp.supernews.com...
Rev.12:10-12
As usual, Glenn, you are an idiot. You don't know the difference between
being an accuser and judgment. An accuser makes claims that are false,
whereas a JUDGE judges righteously and truthfully. Your problem is that you
don't know the difference between righteousness and unrighteousness, the
difference between good and evil, the difference between truth and lies, nor
light and darkness.
Isa 5:20-24
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for
light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for
bitter!
21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own
sight!
22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to
mingle strong drink:
23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of
the righteous from him!
24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the
chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up
as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and
despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
KJV
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:10uvc4ecns1aq33@corp.supernews.com...
Rev.12:10-12
"Timothy Sutter" <a202010@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:418D5BF2.5A5C@lycos.com...
"Timothy Sutter wrote...
you are admitting that your problems
in your world are beyond your repair.
Dore wrote:
NO, the problems of the WHOLE world are MY
problems and they are yours as well,
Dore wrote:
I am Jesus Christ and you not realizing
this fact is one of my problems.
we do not have the same problems.
you'd like to claim that i am
the source of your problems.
Dore wrote:
The ONLY problems I have in my world are the
one that are FORCED upon me by those in power
and the GREED of men.
Dore wrote:
I am Jesus Christ and you not realizing
this fact is one of my problems.
so, your main problem is that i don't
recognize you as Jesus Christ,
now, you'd be claiming that my not
recognizing you as Jesus Christ is being
forced upon you by greedy powerful men.
your problem is that i don't
recognize you as Jesus Christ,
you'd also claim that the entire world's
problem is not recognizing you as Jesus Christ.
Dore wrote:
you just choose not to care about them
and that is why the world is in the horrible shape it is in.
so, i'm personally to blame for all the world's 'problems'
because i don't recognize you as Jesus Christ because
powerful and greedy men are preventing me and
the entire world from seeing this.
so, you blame me for the actions of other people.
Jesus wouldn't blame me for
the actions of other people.
one strike against the prospect
that you are Jesus Christ.
Dore wrote:
We all need to pay attention and be a part of the solution
of ALL of the world's problems, so that they can all be
remedied for everyone,
for you, the world's problems may
be remedied only when you are
recognized as Jesus Christ.
Dore wrote:
not just sit in the comforts of your own world
what makes you think my world is comfortable?
Dore wrote:
and pretend nothing is happening around you
your problem is that i don't
recognize you as Jesus Christ.
i don't share your problem,
you'd like to claim that i am your problem.
Dore wrote:
because eventually it will be in your back yard or wallet.
digging around in my backyard will not likely
result in your being recognized as Jesus Christ.
digging around in my wallet will not likely
result in your being recognized as Jesus Christ.
i'm not responsible for being prevented
from recognizing you as Jesus Christ.
you simply do not resemble Jesus Christ.
"Timothy Sutter wrote...
this realization of yours, that your problems
in your world are beyond your ability to repair
is a start on the road back to wellness.
Dore wrote:
The ONLY problems I have in my world are the one that
are FORCED upon me by those in power and the GREED of men.
Dore wrote:
I am Jesus Christ and you not realizing
this fact is one of my problems.
my recognition of Jesus Christ has never
been nullified by powerful and greedy men,
and so, that your recognition as Jesus Christ
is nullified by powerful and greedy men does
not speak well of your being Jesus Christ.
my not recognizing you as
Jesus Christ is not a
problem for me.
"Timothy Sutter wrote...
if you are asking me, now, to help you
repair your problems in your world,
Dore wrote:
No, I am asking you to step and pay attention
to what is going on in the world to help ALL
problems that affect us all.
your problem doesn't affect anyone else.
you are having a personal identity crisis.
"Timothy Sutter wrote...
i will first direct you to
the Cross of Jesus Christ
and God's personal salvation.
Dore wrote:
I am Jesus Christ and you not realizing
this fact is one of my problems.
so, powerful greedy men are preventing
me from seeing that you are Jesus Christ.
"Timothy Sutter wrote...
we will be more than willing to help,
but angry little statements focused
upon me will get you nowhere.
Dore wrote:
If you are NOT part of the solution, then you are part
of the problem and by sticking your head in the sand
and saying everything is all well with the
world is being part of the problem.
Jesus is noted to have told people not
to worry about what they will wear and
what they will eat.
perhaps i simply don't have
the same concerns as you.
you claim that greedy and powerful men
can make problems for you in such a way,
one suspects, that you are prevented
from attaining some aspect of your
being that you consider beneficial.
Jesus Christ would never
even suggest such a thing.
your world may indeed be fraught
with angzieties, but Jesus assures
me that i have no thing to fear.
my ability to be charitable in
any given situation is my concern.
that you do not recognize my charity
speaks against your being Jesus Christ.
Jesus would never accuse me of being
without love, the love Jesus has given me,
or without a conscience, a conscience
Jesus has given me.
Jesus would never accuse me
of being indifferent to people.
-you- are the one doing all
of the accusing here.
Jesus is not my accuser.
perhaps my not recognizing you as Jesus Christ
is because you behave in a manner which
speaks against such a recognition.
and so, greedy powerful men are not
preventing your recognition as Jesus Christ.
and so, you don't rightly recognize
the source of your own problems.
and so, you can thank me for taking
the time and paying the attention you
so need so as to assist you in
solving your problems.
so, of the two of us,
i am helpful and
you are not.
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: seven o'clock... |
22 Jan 2005 10:17:12 PM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:zYjId.11260$1l2.8587@trndny05...
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:10uvc4ecns1aq33@corp.supernews.com...
Rev.12:10-12
As usual, Glenn, you are an idiot. You don't know the difference between
being an accuser and judgment.
An accuser, accuses, a judge gives out rewards and punishments for deeds
done
An accuser makes claims that are false,
Wrong Dore, accusations can be either valid and true accusations, OR false
ones.
What separates accusations from judgment, isn't a matter of whether the
accusations are correct or not, but what follows the accusation, IF rewards
or punishments follow the *accusation* it becomes a judgment !
As your accusations fail to be followed up, you fail to judge, and merely
accuse, and make threats
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Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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What separates accusations from judgment, isn't a matter of whether the
accusations are correct or not, but what follows the accusation, IF
rewards or punishments follow the *accusation* it becomes a judgment !
As your accusations fail to be followed up, you fail to judge, and merely
accuse, and make threats
Well, Glenn, my "accusations" as you call them, of you, are true. And just
because my judgments are not followed up in the timeline of YOUR
expectations, doesn't mean that they won't be. Neither, God, nor I, submit
to the concepts, desires and imaginations of men, for all things in their
time.
When I have condemned you, and you continue to refuse to repent, my
judgment of you, WILL result in your condemnation into hellfire.
Mark 13:30-33
30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all
these things be done.
31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which
are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
KJV
Isa 28:10-13
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line,
line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to
rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon
precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little;
that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
KJV
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Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
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Rev.12:10-12
As usual, Glenn, you are an idiot. You don't know the difference between
being an accuser and judgment.
An accuser, accuses, a judge gives out rewards and punishments for deeds
done
An accuser makes claims that are false,
Wrong Dore, accusations can be either valid and true accusations, OR false
ones.
What separates accusations from judgment, isn't a matter of whether the
accusations are correct or not, but what follows the accusation, IF
rewards or punishments follow the *accusation* it becomes a judgment !
As your accusations fail to be followed up, you fail to judge, and merely
accuse, and make threats
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27 Jan 2005 05:12:42 PM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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What separates accusations from judgment, isn't a matter of whether the
accusations are correct or not, but what follows the accusation, IF
rewards or punishments follow the *accusation* it becomes a judgment !
As your accusations fail to be followed up, you fail to judge, and merely
accuse, and make threats
Well, Glenn, my "accusations" as you call them, of you, are true.
Some, but not all of your accusations are true, as we would call God a liar,
if I, or any human, claimed to be sinless, but even IF all your accusations
were entirely true Rev.12:10 doesn't say that you falsely accuse us, we
saved through Christ's blood, and His forgiveness, it states merely that you
accuse us. So, your claim here is neither here nor there.
You are pointing out how no-one desrves God's grace, and we don't, which is
besides the point, it is Christ's work that saves us, and nothing that we
can do, will save us, we are all, every one of us spiritual failures.
Your accusations serve only to cast doubt on God's power to save us through
His son, and to attempt to cause us to attempt to relie on our own works in
order to 'gain' what Christ has already given us, through our faith in Him.
And just because my judgments are not followed up in the timeline of YOUR
expectations,
No Dore, they aren't, and haven't even been "followed up" in YOUR own time
line, which would have had me dead, physically, of heart failure, at the
turning of the century, into this 21st century.
You have failed to demonstrate your claims (period)
<snippers>
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27 Jan 2005 07:25:50 PM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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Some, but not all of your accusations are true, as we would call God a
liar, if I, or any human, claimed to be sinless, but even IF all your
accusations were entirely true Rev.12:10 doesn't say that you falsely
accuse us, we saved through Christ's blood, and His forgiveness, it states
merely that you accuse us. So, your claim here is neither here nor there.
Glenn, it is very clear and always has been that you have NO concept of the
purpose and truths of the cross or the requirements for salvation. No one is
saved until they have been judged and found worthy, faithful, pure, holy,
sinless, blameless and true, for which the Bible gives clear information on
how to achieve. The cross was given so that man would have opportunity to be
forgiven of ALL of his sins, IF he repents of them. Of course NO man has
always been sinless, but the fact that the cross was given was so that you
can REPENT of all sin, be forgiven of those sins and STOP sinning completely
so you can BECOME sinless. Rev 12:10 states that the dragon, the devil, the
one who deceived the whole world, was cast down, for HE is the accuser. I
deceive NO ONE, I am NOT the devil, I am the CHRIST, for I am the ONE who
will overcome him, and those who follow me.
So YOU are falsely accusing me, calling me the devil, thus proving my point
that accusations are lies, whereas judgment is truths, so Rev 12:10 is
casting down YOUR FATHER, SATAN, to whom you serve and abide in his lies.
cont
You are pointing out how no-one desrves God's grace, and we don't, which
is besides the point, it is Christ's work that saves us, and nothing that
we can do, will save us, we are all, every one of us spiritual failures.
Your accusations serve only to cast doubt on God's power to save us
through His son, and to attempt to cause us to attempt to relie on our own
works in order to 'gain' what Christ has already given us, through our
faith in Him.
You were given FREE WILL and CHOICE, therefore, you must CHOOSE to seek God,
seek His righteousness, seek His truths, CHOOSE to abide and walk in them,
CHOOSE to repent, CHOOSE NOT to sin, for ALL sin is a matter of choice, and
purify yourself and your soul to be pleasing and holy to God, by making the
righteous choices for ONLY the righteous WILL BE SAVED, as the Bible clearly
states. If you say that you all are spiritual failures, then that is
claiming that God truths are lies, His words are false, His power, Holy
Spirit do not exist ORYOU HAVE NO FAITH. You think that by being NO
different than the wicked and evil ones that you can still be saved, thus
taking God grace for granted, treating God as worthless and NOT worthy of
your disciplining yourself to walk in His ways and BE that is pleasing to
Him, in obedience, righteousness, truths, sincerity, honesty, integrity,
goodness, holiness etc. You are lazy, self-serving and have NO respect nor
love for God and that is why YOU are a spiritual failure. But speak for
yourself for you have NO clue of what the righteous faithful, can, or can
not, be or do. Repenting, controlling yourself, making righteous choices,
not sinning, being holy, good, doing the will of God, purifying yourself and
OBEYING GOD is NOT works, and it is clear, Glenn, that there is NO Holy
Spirit of truth in you or you would KNOW the meanings, terms and correct
interpretations of the Word. I grow weary of telling you over and over
again, because you have NO desire to comprehend it or do it, just want to
complacently, lazily, selfishly, carelessly and pretentiously take God and
His truths for granted and pretend that you are saved, because that is what
you desire and NOT the REALITY and truths of God.
cont
No Dore, they aren't, and haven't even been "followed up" in YOUR own time
line, which would have had me dead, physically, of heart failure, at the
turning of the century, into this 21st century.
You have failed to demonstrate your claims (period)
Glenn, you ARE dead... spiritually and I don't know how many times I have to
keep explaining myself to you, since it is obvious that you have NO interest
in comprehending truths, you just want to mock and ridicule me, because as I
have said it countless times, YOU ARE EVIL and YOU KNOW IT. However, when I
DO rise to demonstrate my claims, Glenn, you will be one of the most
sorrowful, frightened and horrified people on the planet and your weeping
will never end.
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Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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What separates accusations from judgment, isn't a matter of whether the
accusations are correct or not, but what follows the accusation, IF
rewards or punishments follow the *accusation* it becomes a judgment !
As your accusations fail to be followed up, you fail to judge, and
merely accuse, and make threats
Well, Glenn, my "accusations" as you call them, of you, are true.
Some, but not all of your accusations are true, as we would call God a
liar, if I, or any human, claimed to be sinless, but even IF all your
accusations were entirely true Rev.12:10 doesn't say that you falsely
accuse us, we saved through Christ's blood, and His forgiveness, it states
merely that you accuse us. So, your claim here is neither here nor there.
You are pointing out how no-one desrves God's grace, and we don't, which
is besides the point, it is Christ's work that saves us, and nothing that
we can do, will save us, we are all, every one of us spiritual failures.
Your accusations serve only to cast doubt on God's power to save us
through His son, and to attempt to cause us to attempt to relie on our own
works in order to 'gain' what Christ has already given us, through our
faith in Him.
And just because my judgments are not followed up in the timeline of YOUR
expectations,
No Dore, they aren't, and haven't even been "followed up" in YOUR own time
line, which would have had me dead, physically, of heart failure, at the
turning of the century, into this 21st century.
You have failed to demonstrate your claims (period)
<snippers>
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29 Jan 2005 11:25:31 AM |
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"Dore" <dorewilliamson@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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Some, but not all of your accusations are true, as we would call God a
liar, if I, or any human, claimed to be sinless, but even IF all your
accusations were entirely true Rev.12:10 doesn't say that you falsely
accuse us, we saved through Christ's blood, and His forgiveness, it
states merely that you accuse us. So, your claim here is neither here nor
there.
Glenn, it is very clear and always has been that you have NO concept of
the purpose and truths of the cross or the requirements for salvation. No
one is saved until they have been judged and found worthy, faithful, pure,
holy, sinless, blameless and true, for which the Bible gives clear
information on how to achieve.
No Dore, no one can be found so worthy, our righteousness (the best we can
do) remains in God's sight, as filthy rags.
The cross was given so that man would have opportunity to be forgiven of
ALL of his sins, IF he repents of them. Of course NO man has always been
sinless, but the fact that the cross was given was so that you can REPENT
of all sin, be forgiven of those sins and STOP sinning completely so you
can BECOME sinless.
Why bother, if we can make ourselves perfect, there is no reason for the
cross. You yourself have pointed out that before we know right from wrong,
God sees us as pure. By your logic, we could have escaped ever sinning in
the first place. My sins, presently, are those of my thoughts (if you look
on a woman with lust, by that lust, alone, you have committed adultary, as
an example), which I may never fully control. In my physical actions, I have
managed to fully obey (to my knowledge) all that Jesus has taught, but
inspite of this, in my thoughts (which I pray forgivenness for over and
over), all that I have done, in righteouness, remains filthy rags.
Rev 12:10 states that the dragon, the devil, the one who deceived the whole
world, was cast down, for HE is the accuser. I deceive NO ONE, I am NOT the
devil, I am the CHRIST, for I am the ONE who will overcome him, and those
who follow me.
I know who you are by your fruits Dore, and by what you have typed in your
posts, you twist the scriptures, and avoid the texts which clearly show the
flaws in your claims. You are nothing but an accuser, who knows her
scriptures, enough to use them, as you do.
So YOU are falsely accusing me, calling me the devil,
I am calling you what the fruits of your posts declare you to be, possessed
of the devil, and merely his tool, a borrowed/stolen body named Dore
thus proving my point that accusations are lies, whereas judgment is
truths,,,,
Judgment is much more than just *truths* it is the carrying out of rewards
and punishments
so Rev 12:10 is casting down YOUR FATHER, SATAN, to whom you serve and
abide in his lies.
Talking to and about yourself, again.
cont
You are pointing out how no-one desrves God's grace, and we don't, which
is besides the point, it is Christ's work that saves us, and nothing that
we can do, will save us, we are all, every one of us spiritual failures.
Your accusations serve only to cast doubt on God's power to save us
through His son, and to attempt to cause us to attempt to relie on our
own works in order to 'gain' what Christ has already given us, through
our faith in Him.
You were given FREE WILL and CHOICE, therefore, you must CHOOSE to seek
God,
Found Him, He isn't you, nor your Father.
seek His righteousness,
I have, I found Jesus.
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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No Dore, no one can be found so worthy, our righteousness (the best we can
do) remains in God's sight, as filthy rags.
So you deny the word of God?
Matt 13:43
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their
Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
(KJV)
Matt 6:33
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all
these things shall be added unto you.
KJV
1 Peter 1:16
Be ye holy; for I am holy.
KJV
Luke 21:36
6 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son
of man.
KJV
I Jn 3:2-9
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we
shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for
we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is
pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the
transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no
sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him,
neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is
righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the
beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might
destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in
him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
(KJV)
1 Cor 1:8
8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the
day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
(KJV)
2 Pet 3:14
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that
ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
(KJV)
Matt 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the
kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in
heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in
thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many
wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye
that work iniquity. (SIN)
KJV
Matt 4:4
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread
alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
(KJV)
Luke 6:46-49
46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and DO not the things which I say?
47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and DOETH them, I will
shew you to whom he is like:
48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the
foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently
upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a
foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat
vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
(KJV)
cont
Why bother, if we can make ourselves perfect, there is no reason for the
cross. You yourself have pointed out that before we know right from wrong,
God sees us as pure. By your logic, we could have escaped ever sinning in
the first place. My sins, presently, are those of my thoughts (if you look
on a woman with lust, by that lust, alone, you have committed adultary, as
an example), which I may never fully control. In my physical actions, I
have managed to fully obey (to my knowledge) all that Jesus has taught,
but inspite of this, in my thoughts (which I pray forgivenness for over
and over), all that I have done, in righteouness, remains filthy rags.
No, the cross was given so that you would have opportunity to be forgiven of
your sins, IF you repent, and when you have disciplined yourself into the
WILL OF GOD, you receive the Holy Spirit of truth, whom guides you into ALL
truths, who convicts, inspires, provides self-control and leads you to
righteousness and gives you the power over all evil and sin, and thus with
the information, knowledge and wisdom that the Bible provides, you can
achieve perfection, IF YOU HAVE FAITH. In fact, without the cross, you would
never have the opportunity to be forgiven and made clean to achieve
perfection. And yes, you could have escaped ever sinning in the first place,
had your parents, been completely righteous, holy, obedient and pure before
the throne to teach you from birth the ways and righteousness of God,
however that didn't happen with anyone because the days in these end times
are evil.
Now, I understand that lusting is one of the most difficult and powerful
temptations to overcome, but that doesn't mean that you give up trying. It
also took me a long time and consistent resistance to overcome that one, so
I understand your plight. It may take a long time and because of the state
of the world and it's spiritual influences, lust being a major problem in
these end times, it will be difficult and frustrating to overcome it
completely, however, with diligence, self-control, prayer, righteousness and
faith, casting those lust demons from you, from the moment temptation comes,
you will be victorious, just keep working at it. Perhaps, you don't give
yourself as much credit as you should. For if you are sincere in desiring to
please God in all things, including thoughts and spirit, which is the final
frontier and the most difficult, and really trying hard to overcome all sin
in your life, you need to recognize the truth and stand in whatever
righteous choices you make, for they are NOT unnoticed and your efforts are
appreciated by the Father and your guardian angels as well. You have got to
stop giving into Satan's temptations and influence attempting to take away
any righteousness or crowns from you. For when you think that any righteous
choices you make are still filthy rags then you are calling all
righteousness filth. Righteousness, if done to please the Father, and
because it is true and right, cannot be wrong and the fact that you pray
over and over for forgiveness, if that is deeply heartfelt and sincere
repentance, you are forgiven, so if God remembers it no more, why should
you?
cont
I know who you are by your fruits Dore, and by what you have typed in your
posts, you twist the scriptures, and avoid the texts which clearly show
the flaws in your claims. You are nothing but an accuser, who knows her
scriptures, enough to use them, as you do.
No, you don't know me by my fruits Glenn, for if you did, you would see that
I am fulfilling my role, purpose and works as JUDGE in my return. I do NOT
twist, nor distort the scriptures, but speak them boldly AS THEY ARE and
clearly state. It is YOU who are using scriptures for excuses and denying
the ones that make you guilty, for which you cannot face truthfully for it
is unbearable to you. You think of yourself as hopeless and this lack of
faith is what leads you to distort the scriptures for your own defense. I
know I am hard, in your face, blatant and expect allot, but to allow less
than what the Father deserves would be a slap in His face, which I cannot
do. Glenn, if what I accuse (judge) is true, when is that MY problem?
cont
Judgment is much more than just *truths* it is the carrying out of rewards
and punishments
Glenn since when does GOD do everything in your expectations of a timeline?
Does God BOW to YOU? Be grateful that my judgments are not expedient and
that you have time to repent, to purify yourself and discipline yourself
into the ways of God, or even gather rewards before the time for them to be
given comes.
cont
You were given FREE WILL and CHOICE, therefore, you must CHOOSE to seek
God,
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