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14 Feb 2004 09:03:19 PM |
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Sexual Slavery! |
by Leila M. Lawler
special to CWNews.com
Feb. 13 (CWNews.com) - It's time we Catholics fully confronted the
logic behind the gay marriage arguments, since we are in danger of
identifying the wrong enemy in this war. The enemy is not the
homosexuals-- although as a group they do indeed intend to dismantle
the foundation of civilization, the family.
No, the real enemy is ourselves.
Let's look at what Andrew Sullivan, by far the most influential
thinker on this subject --- the one to beat, so to speak--- has to say
on the matter:
It was heterosexuals in the 1970s who changed marriage into something
more like a partnership between equals, with both partners often
working and gender roles less rigid than in the past. All homosexuals
are saying, three decades later, is that, under the current
definition, there's no reason to exclude us. If you want to return
straight marriage to the 1950s, go ahead. But until you do, the
exclusion of gays is simply an anomaly-- and a denial of basic civil
equality.
The subtext here is what we need to be most attuned to. Sullivan makes
a bit of a misdirection play when he locates equality between the
sexes in job parity. What he really means is what undergirds that
equality and enables it: birth control.
Sullivan doesn't spell this out because he knows he doesn't have to.
Catholics have embraced the post-1950s model of marriage with a
vengeance. With 70 percent of Catholics contracepting and 55 percent
of Catholic women with two or more children opting for sterilization,
doctrine clearly makes no difference in the scramble to evade the
destiny of biology.
Sullivan actually knows well what many Christians do not: the real
place of homosexual sin in the list of offenses against chastity. "The
sin of gay sex is no more and no less sinful … than masturbation,
extramarital sex, marital sex with contraception, heterosexual oral
sex or, indeed, marital sex without love."
Once Catholics in particular accepted the "liberation" of the woman
from her fertility, the covenant of marriage lost its raison d'être.
Once Catholic men abandoned their families with the same sangfroid as
the average deist, our defense against homosexuality was ruined.
To be sure, other Christians embraced the sexual revolution with as
much fervor as we Catholics did. Yet the reality is that Catholics
bear the burden of holding the last stronghold, of cleaving to the
truth when others don't remember it. Sullivan's thrust-– that having
sold ourselves into the slavery of sex for its own sake, we have no
basis for excluding homosexuals from the fun-– is simple logic.
Until all Christians, but especially Catholics, take the radical step
back to the Gospel and our faith and repudiate divorce and birth
control, gays will continue to win politically and culturally, because
they have a certain consistency and our bad conscience on their side.
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It is bad enough that society is addicted to sex but why should
children also be hammered by the constant immoral filth of society.
Those adults that keeping pushing for more and more liberal laws on
sex and it's accessories should be thrown in jail for every child
polluted by their filth.
For example, Johnny were did you learn to *********** . I saw it on
****** show, those people involved in showing Johnny how to
************* are fined and jailed to the fullest extent of the law
for corrupting minors.
P.s. if you must have sex for sex sake, don't be a murder as well, use
protection that prevents sperm meeting egg, not chemicals or whatever
that kill that newly created human life!
End times:
http://www.geocities.com/mart1963/
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Sexual Slavery! |
15 Feb 2004 07:40:07 AM |
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On 14 Feb 2004 19:03:19 -0800,
(martus) spake thusly:
Sullivan actually knows well what many Christians do not: the real
place of homosexual sin in the list of offenses against chastity. "The
sin of gay sex is no more and no less sinful … than masturbation,
extramarital sex, marital sex with contraception, heterosexual oral
sex or, indeed, marital sex without love."
Which doesn't make it okay to do.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
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| User: "Tiger" |
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| Title: Re: Sexual Slavery! |
15 Feb 2004 09:16:46 AM |
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Pastor Dave <nospam-draymond@minister.com> wrote in
news:sktu20d11ajvir1jjgk8hgbdho5cob7039@4ax.com:
"The
sin of gay sex is no more and no less sinful . than masturbation
James Dobson would disagree...lol.
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Tiger
"All intelligent faith in God has behind it a background of humble
agnosticism."
- Harry Emerson Fosdick
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| User: "Kevin" |
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| Title: Re: Sexual Slavery! |
15 Feb 2004 03:38:08 PM |
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The Savior told us to love our brethren, no matter what and also to
leave the judging of people and their actions up to the Creator,His
eternal Father.
I say no more......
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| User: "martus" |
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17 Feb 2004 06:55:12 AM |
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(Kevin) wrote in message news:<2ecf1fe3.0402151338.18ee3a35@posting.google.com>...
The Savior told us to love our brethren, no matter what and also to
leave the judging of people and their actions up to the Creator,His
eternal Father.
I say no more......
Hate sin, help the sinner!
Jude 22-23 (GNB)
22 Show mercy towards those who have doubts; 23save others by
snatching them out of the fire; and to others show mercy mixed with
fear, but hate their very clothes, stained by their sinful lusts.
End times
http://www.geocities.com/mart1963/
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| User: "Kevin" |
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17 Feb 2004 03:43:50 PM |
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(martus) wrote in message
Hate sin, help the sinner!
Jude 22-23 (GNB)
22 Show mercy towards those who have doubts; 23save others by
snatching them out of the fire; and to others show mercy mixed with
fear, but hate their very clothes, stained by their sinful lusts.
End times
http://www.geocities.com/mart1963/
So regarding to sinners,I guess, in other words, you could
say: hate what they have done, not who they are.Do not judge them,
but help them on the right track!
Don`t tell others they are evil doers, but tell THEM they are walking
the wrong path and guide them to the right one.
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| User: "martus" |
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| Title: Re: Sexual Slavery! |
18 Feb 2004 02:56:41 AM |
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(Kevin) wrote in message news:<2ecf1fe3.0402171343.52c24c8@posting.google.com>...
marttila69@hotmail.com (martus) wrote in message
Hate sin, help the sinner!
Jude 22-23 (GNB)
22 Show mercy towards those who have doubts; 23save others by
snatching them out of the fire; and to others show mercy mixed with
fear, but hate their very clothes, stained by their sinful lusts.
End times
http://www.geocities.com/mart1963/
So regarding to sinners,I guess, in other words, you could
say: hate what they have done, not who they are.Do not judge them,
but help them on the right track!
Don`t tell others they are evil doers, but tell THEM they are walking
the wrong path and guide them to the right one.
Well put :) except "Don`t tell others that they are evil doers" should
be a judgement call, depending on the other persons maturity and that
person ability to help should be taken into consideration including
the situation that that sinner(where all sinners) finds themselves in.
eg You don't put a person into a situation where they still have
trouble dealing with their problem.(an alcoholic into a grog shop to
work)
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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18 Feb 2004 04:12:07 AM |
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On 18 Feb 2004 00:56:41 -0800,
(martus) spake thusly:
So regarding to sinners,I guess, in other words, you could
say: hate what they have done, not who they are.Do not judge them,
but help them on the right track!
Don`t tell others they are evil doers, but tell THEM they are walking
the wrong path and guide them to the right one.
Well put :) except "Don`t tell others that they are evil doers" should
be a judgement call, depending on the other persons maturity and that
person ability to help should be taken into consideration including
the situation that that sinner(where all sinners) finds themselves in.
Everyone needs to hear that they are evil doers.
Otherwise what do they need saving from?
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"Few paleontologists have, I think ever supposed that
fossils, by themselves, provide grounds for the
conclusion that evolution has occurred. An examination
of the work of those paleontologists who have been
particularly concerned with the relationship between
paleontology and evolutionary theory, for example that
of G. G. Simpson and S. J. Gould, reveals a mindfulness
of the fact that the record of evolution, like any
other historical record, must be construed within a
complex of particular and general preconceptions not
the least of which is the hypothesis that evolution has
occurred. ...The fossil record doesn't even provide any
evidence in support of Darwinian theory except in the
weak sense that the fossil record is compatible with
it, just as it is compatible with other evolutionary
theories, and revolutionary theories and special
creationist theories and even historical theories."
(Kitts, David B., "Search for the Holy Transformation,"
review of Evolution of Living Organisms, by Pierre-P.
Grassé, Paleobiology, vol. 5, 1979, pp. 353-354)
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| User: "John W" |
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| Title: Re: Sexual Slavery! |
17 Feb 2004 12:46:45 PM |
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On 15 Feb 2004 13:38:08 -0800, (Kevin) wrote:
The Savior told us to love our brethren, no matter what and also to
leave the judging of people and their actions up to the Creator,His
eternal Father.
That is a mis-interpretation. See the cleansing of the temple. See
Peter rebuke Cornelius; see Paul rebuke Peter. See Paul rebuke each
church he wrote an epistle to.
John W
I say no more......
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| User: "John W" |
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17 Feb 2004 12:45:24 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 15:16:46 GMT, Tiger <Tiger@box.invalid> wrote:
Pastor Dave <nospam-draymond@minister.com> wrote in
news:sktu20d11ajvir1jjgk8hgbdho5cob7039@4ax.com:
"The
sin of gay sex is no more and no less sinful . than masturbation
James Dobson would disagree...lol.
Last I heard, the Bible specifically mentions, and condemns homosex;
the Bible doesn't even MENTION masturbation.
John W
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| User: "John W" |
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17 Feb 2004 12:44:38 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 08:40:07 -0500, Pastor Dave
<nospam-draymond@minister.com> wrote:
On 14 Feb 2004 19:03:19 -0800,
(martus) spake thusly:
Sullivan actually knows well what many Christians do not: the real
place of homosexual sin in the list of offenses against chastity. "The
sin of gay sex is no more and no less sinful … than masturbation,
extramarital sex, marital sex with contraception, heterosexual oral
sex or, indeed, marital sex without love."
Which doesn't make it okay to do.
Please refer me to the passages that state that masturbation is a sin.
This is an old wive's tale that has NOTHING to do with Christianity
and EVERYTHING to do with those who would control others via their sex
organs and sex drives.
John W
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