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"El Bandolero" |
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24 Apr 2006 11:05:01 AM |
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Sons of God |
I wonder: who are "sons of God" and "Nephilim"?
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days¡Xand also afterward¡Xwhen the
sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They
were the heroes of old, men of renown.
thanks in advance
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ciao
Bando
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| User: "Andrew W" |
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| Title: Re: Sons of God |
24 Apr 2006 04:08:28 PM |
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"El Bandolero" <el_bandolero@libero.it> wrote in message
news:1xuc4dvf6k4f8$.7y8kv9ikcs44.dlg@40tude.net...
I wonder: who are "sons of God" and "Nephilim"?
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days¡Xand also afterward¡Xwhen
the
sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They
were the heroes of old, men of renown.
thanks in advance
Sons of God is merely a religious reference to some of the extraterrestrials
who came here to do genetic experiments which eventually led to the
development of the modern human.
--
Andrew W.
“Belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of
any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of
existence.”
~ Robert Anton Wilson
"The Bible tells us to be like God, and then on page after page it describes
God as a mass murderer. This may be the single most important key to the
political behaviour of Western Civilization.”
~ Robert Anton Wilson
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Werner -the Christian Agnostic- Kurator" |
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| Title: Re: Sons of God |
24 Apr 2006 02:42:01 PM |
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El Bandolero in <1xuc4dvf6k4f8$.7y8kv9ikcs44.dlg@40tude.net>
on 2006-04-24 announced this statement:
I wonder: who are "sons of God" and "Nephilim"?
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days¡Xand also
afterward¡Xwhen the sons of God went to the daughters of
men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old,
men of renown.
There are some who who that it is translated wrong, that
the "sons of God" spoken about here are "angels" who fell.
Another theory (Darn, can't recall where I read that one!),
is that the "sons of God" where the descendants of Adam and
Eve, because they were to start "heaven" on earth, and the
"sons of men" where the descendants of humanlike creatures
who were to help the "sons of God".
Now that "Angels" and human could create Offspring is just as
likely as a dog mating with a cat and have puppies. But any sexual
relationship with the sons of men and the "sons" of God who all
shared the same human DNA could more then likely be possibly. You
know like the Neanderthal mating with another human....
Hope I confused you even more now :-)
thanks in advance
Werner Kurator
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"Like all translations of the Bible, made as they are by
imperfect man, this one falls short of it goal. Yet we are
grateful to God for the extend to which he has enabled us to
realize these goals and for the strength he has given us and our
colleagues to complete our task"
Preface to the "New International Version" of the Bible
August 1983......
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"In fact, many professing agnostics are nearer belief in
the true God then are many conventional church-goers who
believe in a bogey that does not exist whom they miscall God."
Leslie D. Weatherhead; Preface to his "The Christian Agnostic"
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Sorry, gone Chopin. Made a Liszt. Bach in a minuet.
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| User: "The Mirror" |
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| Title: Re: Sons of God |
24 Apr 2006 02:53:29 PM |
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In textual and petroglyphs from Mesopotamia, the Sons of God refer to
the Descendants and Wicked offspring from Fallen Angels.
The angels defiled themselves and had their way with the daughters of
Adam, whom gave birth to Nephilim, who corrupted the earth with
wickedness and evil. These Nephilim translated as Fallen ones of Giants,
were the Giants of the days of Noah and before the deluge.
These are in part with corroborating Hyroglyphs and Biblical Scripture
for the Enuma Elish and Old Testament, which was written by Moses.
Since Moses was a student in Egypt and Mesopotamia, he would have had
this knowledge passed down to him.
Now, in the Old Sumerian glyphs and translations, the "Fallen Angels"
would have been Enlil, Enki and Ninhursag.
The Feathered Serpent descending down upon mankind and giving
civilization, which is also recorded in Mayan, Aztecan and Native Meso
American tribes and civilizations.
"The Serpent" in Genesis, who seduced Eve into eating of the fruit of
knowledge of Good and Evil. Which would probably tanslate into KNowledge
of Civilizations most important effects, from Agriculture, Science,
Astrology, Sexuality.
This corruption to "Be as gods ye selves" angered God and then Adam and
Eve were thrown out of the Garden of Eden just as Lucifer and his Angels
were cast out of Heaven for defying God in Heaven and starting an uprising.
Now, God then casts down a great flood to wipe out the wickedness of Man
which was caused by the Nephilim.
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Werner -the Christian Agnostic- Kurator wrote:
El Bandolero in <1xuc4dvf6k4f8$.7y8kv9ikcs44.dlg@40tude.net>
on 2006-04-24 announced this statement:
I wonder: who are "sons of God" and "Nephilim"?
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days¡Xand also
afterward¡Xwhen the sons of God went to the daughters of
men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old,
men of renown.
There are some who who that it is translated wrong, that
the "sons of God" spoken about here are "angels" who fell.
Another theory (Darn, can't recall where I read that one!),
is that the "sons of God" where the descendants of Adam and
Eve, because they were to start "heaven" on earth, and the
"sons of men" where the descendants of humanlike creatures
who were to help the "sons of God".
Now that "Angels" and human could create Offspring is just as
likely as a dog mating with a cat and have puppies. But any sexual
relationship with the sons of men and the "sons" of God who all
shared the same human DNA could more then likely be possibly. You
know like the Neanderthal mating with another human....
Hope I confused you even more now :-)
thanks in advance
Werner Kurator
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Sons of God |
24 Apr 2006 06:02:47 PM |
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The Mirror wrote:
In textual and petroglyphs from Mesopotamia, the Sons of God refer to
the Descendants and Wicked offspring from Fallen Angels.
===>How did you dream up THAT nonsense?
What "textual and petroglyphs from Mesopotamia"???
Do you always make up your "evidence"??? -- L.
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| User: "The Mirror" |
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24 Apr 2006 10:25:23 PM |
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Read, Enuma Elish, Oral tradition and corroborative and the Epic of
Gilgamesh...
Here's some real stuff for you.. you can actually buy the Ancient
Sumerian Cuneiform Tablets... or view them online.
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/05/06_tablet.shtml
Image of a Cuneiform Tablet with writing and Petro Glyphs
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/05/images/tablet.jpg
Or you can read the somewhat mis-interpretations of Zachariah Sitchins
work... 12th Planet. Although I don't agree with some of his
translations as he goes into extra terrestrial visitors that engineered
man through genetic engineering from their DNA to Proto Humans which
created modern man, then they pro-created with them after they were
slaves... etc. The Enuma Elish http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enuma_Elish
Here's a Sumerian Myth faq http://home.comcast.net/~chris.s/sumer-faq.html
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/2002/05/21/cuneiform.html
Apologies would be nice... especially with your condescending
accusational display that I "Dreamed them up", I would like you to join
my newsletter as it displays factual basis in our society for the Bible,
Paranormal, Scientific and Political topics we see today and of ancient
history ;-)
Anyway
Peace and Love.
Freeman :-)
http://www.rnabrand.com/ Free Comic Books and Comic Strips
http://mirrorstewedios.com/mailman/listinfo/newsletter_mirrorstewedios.com
Free Newsletter
P.S. I wouldn't buy into Genisis textual Basis as well as the Sumerian,
as they illustrate a possible original Lie that has been among us since
the dawn of our species... but I won't get into that one for now.
The Jinn - Beware the Deceiver and Cursed Liar that Whispers in your ear
he Noble Qur'an - Ar-Rahmaan 55:15, 15
He created man (Adam) from sounding clay like the clay of pottery.
And the jinns did He create from a smokeless flame of fire.
The Noble Qur'an - Al-Hijr 15:26-42
26. And indeed, We created man from sounding clay of altered black
smooth mud.
27. And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire.
28. And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "I am going to
create a man (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud.
29. "So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him
(Adam) the soul which I created for him, then fall (you) down
prostrating yourselves unto him."
30. So, the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together.
31. Except Iblîs (Satan), - he refused to be among the prostrators.
32. (Allâh) said: "O Iblîs (Satan)! What is your reason for not being
among the prostrators?"
33. [Iblîs (Satan)] said: "I am not the one to prostrate myself to a
human being, whom You created from sounding clay of altered black smooth
mud."
34. (Allâh) said: "Then, get out from here, for verily, you are Rajîm
(an outcast or a cursed one)." [Tafsîr At-Tabarî]
35. "And verily, the curse shall be upon you till the Day of Recompense
(i.e. the Day of Resurrection)."
Libertarius wrote:
The Mirror wrote:
In textual and petroglyphs from Mesopotamia, the Sons of God refer to
the Descendants and Wicked offspring from Fallen Angels.
===>How did you dream up THAT nonsense?
What "textual and petroglyphs from Mesopotamia"???
Do you always make up your "evidence"??? -- L.
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| User: "The Mirror" |
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24 Apr 2006 10:54:24 PM |
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I guess one of the least talked about issues from the Epics of Sumeria
and Babylon, as well as the Old Testament, is Enochian myths... or was
it myth?
Peace.
The Mirror wrote:
Read, Enuma Elish, Oral tradition and corroborative and the Epic of
Gilgamesh...
Here's some real stuff for you.. you can actually buy the Ancient
Sumerian Cuneiform Tablets... or view them online.
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/05/06_tablet.shtml
Image of a Cuneiform Tablet with writing and Petro Glyphs
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/05/images/tablet.jpg
Or you can read the somewhat mis-interpretations of Zachariah Sitchins
work... 12th Planet. Although I don't agree with some of his
translations as he goes into extra terrestrial visitors that
engineered man through genetic engineering from their DNA to Proto
Humans which created modern man, then they pro-created with them after
they were slaves... etc. The Enuma Elish
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enuma_Elish
Here's a Sumerian Myth faq
http://home.comcast.net/~chris.s/sumer-faq.html
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/2002/05/21/cuneiform.html
Apologies would be nice... especially with your condescending
accusational display that I "Dreamed them up", I would like you to
join my newsletter as it displays factual basis in our society for the
Bible, Paranormal, Scientific and Political topics we see today and of
ancient history ;-)
Anyway
Peace and Love.
Freeman :-)
http://www.rnabrand.com/ Free Comic Books and Comic Strips
http://mirrorstewedios.com/mailman/listinfo/newsletter_mirrorstewedios.com
Free Newsletter
P.S. I wouldn't buy into Genisis textual Basis as well as the
Sumerian, as they illustrate a possible original Lie that has been
among us since the dawn of our species... but I won't get into that
one for now.
The Jinn - Beware the Deceiver and Cursed Liar that Whispers in your ear
he Noble Qur'an - Ar-Rahmaan 55:15, 15
He created man (Adam) from sounding clay like the clay of pottery.
And the jinns did He create from a smokeless flame of fire.
The Noble Qur'an - Al-Hijr 15:26-42
26. And indeed, We created man from sounding clay of altered black
smooth mud.
27. And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire.
28. And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "I am going to
create a man (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud.
29. "So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him
(Adam) the soul which I created for him, then fall (you) down
prostrating yourselves unto him."
30. So, the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together.
31. Except Iblîs (Satan), - he refused to be among the prostrators.
32. (Allâh) said: "O Iblîs (Satan)! What is your reason for not being
among the prostrators?"
33. [Iblîs (Satan)] said: "I am not the one to prostrate myself to a
human being, whom You created from sounding clay of altered black
smooth mud."
34. (Allâh) said: "Then, get out from here, for verily, you are Rajîm
(an outcast or a cursed one)." [Tafsîr At-Tabarî]
35. "And verily, the curse shall be upon you till the Day of
Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)."
Libertarius wrote:
The Mirror wrote:
In textual and petroglyphs from Mesopotamia, the Sons of God refer to
the Descendants and Wicked offspring from Fallen Angels.
===>How did you dream up THAT nonsense?
What "textual and petroglyphs from Mesopotamia"???
Do you always make up your "evidence"??? -- L.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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25 Apr 2006 10:52:04 AM |
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The Mirror wrote:
I guess one of the least talked about issues from the Epics of Sumeria
and Babylon, as well as the Old Testament, is Enochian myths... or was
it myth?
Peace.
===>You sure like to mix things together.
Of course Enoch is a myth, a fictional character, like
the other Bible characters or gods of the Sumerians.
But there is no Enoch in the "Epics of Sumeria". -- L.
The Mirror wrote:
Read, Enuma Elish, Oral tradition and corroborative and the Epic of
Gilgamesh...
Here's some real stuff for you.. you can actually buy the Ancient
Sumerian Cuneiform Tablets... or view them online.
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/05/06_tablet.shtml
Image of a Cuneiform Tablet with writing and Petro Glyphs
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/05/images/tablet.jpg
Or you can read the somewhat mis-interpretations of Zachariah Sitchins
work... 12th Planet. Although I don't agree with some of his
translations as he goes into extra terrestrial visitors that
engineered man through genetic engineering from their DNA to Proto
Humans which created modern man, then they pro-created with them after
they were slaves... etc. The Enuma Elish
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enuma_Elish
Here's a Sumerian Myth faq
http://home.comcast.net/~chris.s/sumer-faq.html
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/2002/05/21/cuneiform.html
Apologies would be nice... especially with your condescending
accusational display that I "Dreamed them up", I would like you to
join my newsletter as it displays factual basis in our society for the
Bible, Paranormal, Scientific and Political topics we see today and of
ancient history ;-)
Anyway
Peace and Love.
Freeman :-)
http://www.rnabrand.com/ Free Comic Books and Comic Strips
http://mirrorstewedios.com/mailman/listinfo/newsletter_mirrorstewedios.com
Free Newsletter
P.S. I wouldn't buy into Genisis textual Basis as well as the
Sumerian, as they illustrate a possible original Lie that has been
among us since the dawn of our species... but I won't get into that
one for now.
The Jinn - Beware the Deceiver and Cursed Liar that Whispers in your ear
he Noble Qur'an - Ar-Rahmaan 55:15, 15
He created man (Adam) from sounding clay like the clay of pottery.
And the jinns did He create from a smokeless flame of fire.
The Noble Qur'an - Al-Hijr 15:26-42
26. And indeed, We created man from sounding clay of altered black
smooth mud.
27. And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire.
28. And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "I am going to
create a man (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud.
29. "So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him
(Adam) the soul which I created for him, then fall (you) down
prostrating yourselves unto him."
30. So, the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together.
31. Except Iblîs (Satan), - he refused to be among the prostrators.
32. (Allâh) said: "O Iblîs (Satan)! What is your reason for not being
among the prostrators?"
33. [Iblîs (Satan)] said: "I am not the one to prostrate myself to a
human being, whom You created from sounding clay of altered black
smooth mud."
34. (Allâh) said: "Then, get out from here, for verily, you are Rajîm
(an outcast or a cursed one)." [Tafsîr At-Tabarî]
35. "And verily, the curse shall be upon you till the Day of
Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)."
Libertarius wrote:
The Mirror wrote:
In textual and petroglyphs from Mesopotamia, the Sons of God refer to
the Descendants and Wicked offspring from Fallen Angels.
===>How did you dream up THAT nonsense?
What "textual and petroglyphs from Mesopotamia"???
Do you always make up your "evidence"??? -- L.
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| User: "The Mirror" |
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25 Apr 2006 12:46:17 PM |
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Yes there is.
Now, as far as the translations are concerned, they were Deities
(Angels) that descended from the Heavens, with their God on High, An,
overseeing all.(Which later translates in other civilizations as Anu and
the Annunaki [Those from on High did descend])
It was those who "descended", Now, think about that... the literal
translations don't make sense only in a Sichin thinking, that they were ETs.
In the Old Testament they explain the same process, creating an A.dam
(Earth Born) and the subset companion E.v. Which of course, not only in
the OT, but in many civilizations there was the offering of Civilization
and Sciences to the people given by a Feathered Serpent or plain Serpent.
As the translations come off as the same message, everyone who studies
the Bible, should realize the Nephilim were the offspring of the Fallen
Angels defiling themselves with Human beings, by impregnating them and
giving natural birth to giants/monsters. They also state in OT that this
process of birth was not unnatural.
These Giants or also called "Fallen Ones" (NOT Fallen Angels) were
wicked in their ways, and also created strife for Human Beings.
There is textual basis in OT Genesis.
The same Sumerian Enuma Elish story and the Babylonian Myths explain the
same thing, but offer that the "Fallen Angels" in their mythos is that
they were Deities and Sons of God. Also check out the Egyptian Book of
the dead, you can see the same parralels.
So it is not false, and I am correct in this assertion. You have to
understand that each civilization had different NAMES for their "Angels"
i.e. Deities/Sons of God.
Also, as you say I like to mix things together, only gives us a BIGGER
glimpse of a world wide phenomenon.
Just food for though, and you're more than welcome to join an editorial
and research group through a free Newsletter on Science, Politics and
other interesting topics.
Peace and Love
Freeman:-)
http://www.rnabrand.com/
P.S. In no textual form in the Bible, is there talk of "Angels" having
Wings on their backs and such... that was created by Artisans displaying
their view of "Heavenly" creatures or Angels.
You Said:
You claimed those documents refer to
"Descendants and Wicked offspring from Fallen Angels."
In fact NOTHING in any of those about any
"angels" or "fallen angels".
Those were much later inventions.
Look into Zoroastrianism. -- L.
Libertarius wrote:
The Mirror wrote:
I guess one of the least talked about issues from the Epics of Sumeria
and Babylon, as well as the Old Testament, is Enochian myths... or was
it myth?
Peace.
===>You sure like to mix things together.
Of course Enoch is a myth, a fictional character, like
the other Bible characters or gods of the Sumerians.
But there is no Enoch in the "Epics of Sumeria". -- L.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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25 Apr 2006 09:23:56 PM |
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The Mirror wrote:
Yes there is.
Now, as far as the translations are concerned, they were Deities
(Angels) that descended from the Heavens, with their God on High, An,
overseeing all.(Which later translates in other civilizations as Anu and
the Annunaki [Those from on High did descend])
===>CUTE!
You translate the word as "angels", and claim their descent meant
they were "fallen angels".
RIDICULOUS!
You are trying to read the Christian story into the Sumerian epic.
It was those who "descended", Now, think about that... the literal
translations don't make sense only in a Sichin thinking, that they were ETs.
In the Old Testament they explain the same process, creating an A.dam
(Earth Born) and the subset companion E.v. Which of course, not only in
the OT, but in many civilizations there was the offering of Civilization
and Sciences to the people given by a Feathered Serpent or plain Serpent.
As the translations come off as the same message, everyone who studies
the Bible, should realize the Nephilim were the offspring of the Fallen
Angels defiling themselves with Human beings, by impregnating them and
giving natural birth to giants/monsters. They also state in OT that this
process of birth was not unnatural.
These Giants or also called "Fallen Ones" (NOT Fallen Angels) were
wicked in their ways, and also created strife for Human Beings.
There is textual basis in OT Genesis.
The same Sumerian Enuma Elish story and the Babylonian Myths explain the
same thing, but offer that the "Fallen Angels" in their mythos is that
they were Deities and Sons of God.
===>What "Sons of God?
You mind must be awfully mixed up to go on mixing things up
as you do!
Also check out the Egyptian Book of
the dead, you can see the same parralels.
So it is not false, and I am correct in this assertion.
===>Your *****-
ertion is pure nonsense.
You have to
understand that each civilization had different NAMES for their "Angels"
i.e. Deities/Sons of God.
===>So you insist.
Also, as you say I like to mix things together, only gives us a BIGGER
glimpse of a world wide phenomenon.
===>HAR, HAR, HAR.
At least you admit you are mixing things together.
It is clear evidence you are confused. I.e. "mixed up".
Just food for though, and you're more than welcome to join an editorial
and research group through a free Newsletter on Science, Politics and
other interesting topics.
===>Thanks, but I have no time to waste. -- L.
Peace and Love
Freeman:-)
http://www.rnabrand.com/
P.S. In no textual form in the Bible, is there talk of "Angels" having
Wings on their backs and such... that was created by Artisans displaying
their view of "Heavenly" creatures or Angels.
===>P.S. So what?
Where does that idea occur to you?
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| User: "The Mirror" |
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25 Apr 2006 09:32:37 PM |
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You obviously are in the wrong room with your outbursts.
Not very becoming.
Anyway, read the translations, they are the same, the languages are
different and they had been used at the same time during which Pagan
deities were used and transmuted into Angels... but you may not know
your archeology... and mixing them makes no differences as they tend to
re-instate the facts and archeology of not only the Biblical
translations into Hebrew, but into Greek as well... The parallels from
Mayan and later aztecan lend to the same mythological diatribe.
Go look at the original premise as well, as a person asked who the
Nephilim were... you ended up going off topic and ranting about ME and
my assertions. I have maintained that though out.
We need more time to reflect on the question and answers at hand,
instead of bickering over your own convoluded egotistical banter...
which is satanic in a sense, if you study the Bible.
Anyway,
Peace be unto you and may your prayers be answered if you believe.
Freeman :-)
http://www.rnabrand.com/
Libertarius wrote:
The Mirror wrote:
Yes there is.
Now, as far as the translations are concerned, they were Deities
(Angels) that descended from the Heavens, with their God on High, An,
overseeing all.(Which later translates in other civilizations as Anu and
the Annunaki [Those from on High did descend])
===>CUTE!
You translate the word as "angels", and claim their descent meant
they were "fallen angels".
RIDICULOUS!
You are trying to read the Christian story into the Sumerian epic.
It was those who "descended", Now, think about that... the literal
translations don't make sense only in a Sichin thinking, that they were ETs.
In the Old Testament they explain the same process, creating an A.dam
(Earth Born) and the subset companion E.v. Which of course, not only in
the OT, but in many civilizations there was the offering of Civilization
and Sciences to the people given by a Feathered Serpent or plain Serpent.
As the translations come off as the same message, everyone who studies
the Bible, should realize the Nephilim were the offspring of the Fallen
Angels defiling themselves with Human beings, by impregnating them and
giving natural birth to giants/monsters. They also state in OT that this
process of birth was not unnatural.
These Giants or also called "Fallen Ones" (NOT Fallen Angels) were
wicked in their ways, and also created strife for Human Beings.
There is textual basis in OT Genesis.
The same Sumerian Enuma Elish story and the Babylonian Myths explain the
same thing, but offer that the "Fallen Angels" in their mythos is that
they were Deities and Sons of God.
===>What "Sons of God?
You mind must be awfully mixed up to go on mixing things up
as you do!
Also check out the Egyptian Book of
the dead, you can see the same parralels.
So it is not false, and I am correct in this assertion.
===>Your *****-
ertion is pure nonsense.
You have to
understand that each civilization had different NAMES for their "Angels"
i.e. Deities/Sons of God.
===>So you insist.
Also, as you say I like to mix things together, only gives us a BIGGER
glimpse of a world wide phenomenon.
===>HAR, HAR, HAR.
At least you admit you are mixing things together.
It is clear evidence you are confused. I.e. "mixed up".
Just food for though, and you're more than welcome to join an editorial
and research group through a free Newsletter on Science, Politics and
other interesting topics.
===>Thanks, but I have no time to waste. -- L.
Peace and Love
Freeman:-)
http://www.rnabrand.com/
P.S. In no textual form in the Bible, is there talk of "Angels" having
Wings on their backs and such... that was created by Artisans displaying
their view of "Heavenly" creatures or Angels.
===>P.S. So what?
Where does that idea occur to you?
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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25 Apr 2006 10:49:13 AM |
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You claimed those documents refer to
"Descendants and Wicked offspring from Fallen Angels."
In fact NOTHING in any of those about any
"angels" or "fallen angels".
Those were much later inventions.
Look into Zoroastrianism. -- L.
The Mirror wrote:
Read, Enuma Elish, Oral tradition and corroborative and the Epic of
Gilgamesh...
Here's some real stuff for you.. you can actually buy the Ancient
Sumerian Cuneiform Tablets... or view them online.
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/05/06_tablet.shtml
Image of a Cuneiform Tablet with writing and Petro Glyphs
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/05/images/tablet.jpg
Or you can read the somewhat mis-interpretations of Zachariah Sitchins
work... 12th Planet. Although I don't agree with some of his
translations as he goes into extra terrestrial visitors that engineered
man through genetic engineering from their DNA to Proto Humans which
created modern man, then they pro-created with them after they were
slaves... etc. The Enuma Elish http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enuma_Elish
Here's a Sumerian Myth faq http://home.comcast.net/~chris.s/sumer-faq.html
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/2002/05/21/cuneiform.html
Apologies would be nice... especially with your condescending
accusational display that I "Dreamed them up", I would like you to join
my newsletter as it displays factual basis in our society for the Bible,
Paranormal, Scientific and Political topics we see today and of ancient
history ;-)
Anyway
Peace and Love.
Freeman :-)
http://www.rnabrand.com/ Free Comic Books and Comic Strips
http://mirrorstewedios.com/mailman/listinfo/newsletter_mirrorstewedios.com
Free Newsletter
P.S. I wouldn't buy into Genisis textual Basis as well as the Sumerian,
as they illustrate a possible original Lie that has been among us since
the dawn of our species... but I won't get into that one for now.
The Jinn - Beware the Deceiver and Cursed Liar that Whispers in your ear
he Noble Qur'an - Ar-Rahmaan 55:15, 15
He created man (Adam) from sounding clay like the clay of pottery.
And the jinns did He create from a smokeless flame of fire.
The Noble Qur'an - Al-Hijr 15:26-42
26. And indeed, We created man from sounding clay of altered black
smooth mud.
27. And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire.
28. And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: "I am going to
create a man (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud.
29. "So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him
(Adam) the soul which I created for him, then fall (you) down
prostrating yourselves unto him."
30. So, the angels prostrated themselves, all of them together.
31. Except Iblîs (Satan), - he refused to be among the prostrators.
32. (Allâh) said: "O Iblîs (Satan)! What is your reason for not being
among the prostrators?"
33. [Iblîs (Satan)] said: "I am not the one to prostrate myself to a
human being, whom You created from sounding clay of altered black smooth
mud."
34. (Allâh) said: "Then, get out from here, for verily, you are Rajîm
(an outcast or a cursed one)." [Tafsîr At-Tabarî]
35. "And verily, the curse shall be upon you till the Day of Recompense
(i.e. the Day of Resurrection)."
Libertarius wrote:
The Mirror wrote:
In textual and petroglyphs from Mesopotamia, the Sons of God refer to
the Descendants and Wicked offspring from Fallen Angels.
===>How did you dream up THAT nonsense?
What "textual and petroglyphs from Mesopotamia"???
Do you always make up your "evidence"??? -- L.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Sons of God |
24 Apr 2006 06:00:45 PM |
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Werner -the Christian Agnostic- Kurator wrote:
El Bandolero in <1xuc4dvf6k4f8$.7y8kv9ikcs44.dlg@40tude.net>
on 2006-04-24 announced this statement:
I wonder: who are "sons of God" and "Nephilim"?
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days¡Xand also
afterward¡Xwhen the sons of God went to the daughters of
men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old,
men of renown.
There are some who who that it is translated wrong, that
the "sons of God" spoken about here are "angels" who fell.
Another theory (Darn, can't recall where I read that one!),
is that the "sons of God" where the descendants of Adam and
Eve, because they were to start "heaven" on earth, and the
"sons of men" where the descendants of humanlike creatures
who were to help the "sons of God".
Now that "Angels" and human could create Offspring is just as
likely as a dog mating with a cat and have puppies.
===>When and where have you examined angels to be that knowledgeable
about their genetic makeup? -- L.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Sons of God |
24 Apr 2006 05:58:04 PM |
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El Bandolero wrote:
I wonder: who are "sons of God" and "Nephilim"?
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days¡Xand also afterward¡Xwhen the
sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They
were the heroes of old, men of renown.
thanks in advance
===>They are the original extraterrestrial aliens.
Like their daddy with the virgin, they all liked to make
babies with human females.
Early forms of scifi. -- L.
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| User: "-Hector-" |
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24 Apr 2006 11:35:41 AM |
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On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:05:01 +0200, El Bandolero
<el_bandolero@libero.it> wrote:
I wonder: who are "sons of God" and "Nephilim"?
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days¡Xand also afterward¡Xwhen the
sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They
were the heroes of old, men of renown.
thanks in advance
You may find an answer to this question in the Book of Enoch
and associated Qumran mss (ref. the Watchers).
http://www.heaven.net.nz/writings/enoch.htm
http://www.ccel.org/c/charles/otpseudepig/enoch/ENOCH_1.HTM
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