Religions > Bible > Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: IN Pastor Sentenced for Welfare Fraud
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"Yang, AthD h.c" |
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15 Jul 2007 02:25:44 PM |
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Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: IN Pastor Sentenced for Welfare Fraud |
Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070713/LOCAL18/707130499/-1/LOCAL17
An Indianapolis pastor in ailing health will avoid prison after
signing a plea agreement this week to end charges of welfare and
Social Security fraud.
By signing the deal, the Rev. Rochell Johnson, 51, also ensures that
his wife, Denise, 48, won't face prosecution. He is scheduled Aug. 24
to enter a formal plea and be sentenced in Marion Superior Court.
He agrees to admit to one count of felony welfare fraud and pay nearly
$180,000 in restitution to the Social Security Administration. He did
not report his $15,000 salary as pastor of Greater Faith Missionary
Baptist Church for 14 years while he was receiving benefits.
The agreement calls for prosecutors to dismiss charges against Rochell
and Denise Johnson in a second case.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "GatherNoMoss" |
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| Title: Re: Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: IN Pastor Sentenced for Welfare Fraud |
21 Jul 2007 01:33:12 PM |
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This has nothing to do with Christianity.
There not one word in the New Testament condoning ripping off people.
The most effective way for evil to destroy morality is to dress
oneself in morality and then commit evil acts.
Things like Aesop's Fables and the like are told to children so that
they can understand these things...train youngster about how evil
works its ways.
Understand that you don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
Evidently you didn't read these things as a child.
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| User: "SeppoP" |
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| Title: Re: Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: IN Pastor Sentenced forWelfare Fraud |
17 Aug 2007 09:18:22 AM |
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GatherNoMoss wrote:
This has nothing to do with Christianity.
There not one word in the New Testament condoning ripping off people.
The most effective way for evil to destroy morality is to dress
oneself in morality and then commit evil acts.
Things like Aesop's Fables and the like are told to children so that
they can understand these things...train youngster about how evil
works its ways.
Understand that you don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
Evidently you didn't read these things as a child.
There are no words in the bible that denounce pedophilia, torture, ethnic cleansing, pyramid schemes or check frauds
either. I guess that's the reason why so many *TRUE* christians seem to be so enamored with those kind of activities...
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Seppo P.
What's wrong with Theocracy? (a Finnish Taliban, Oct 1, 2005)
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: IN Pastor Sentenced for Welfare Fraud |
21 Jul 2007 08:21:10 PM |
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:33:12 -0700, GatherNoMoss
<saints2060@yahoo.com> spoke thusly:
This has nothing to do with Christianity.
There not one word in the New Testament
condoning ripping off people.
Darn! Well, there goes that plan! :)
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Pastor Dave
When making liars happy in their word games takes
precedence over truth, Christ has been abandoned.
-unknown
Expand and go out into the ocean of your faith.
God doesn't do His deepest work in the shallowest
part of the water.
The world says that seeing is believing.
The Bible says that believing is seeing.
Doctrine is not Scripture.
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Re: Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: IN Pastor Sentenced for Welfare Fraud |
24 Jul 2007 10:27:57 AM |
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:33:12 -0700, GatherNoMoss
<saints2060@yahoo.com> wrote:
This has nothing to do with Christianity.
There not one word in the New Testament condoning ripping off people.
There is also no wrds in the Big Book of Atheism condoning it either.
In fact, there is no Big Book of Atheism at all.
Of course, that hasn't stopped you Christian from condemning the
"immorality" of atheism or how Christianity is morally superior.
Well, if you're going to talk the talk, you better walk the walk.
The most effective way for evil to destroy morality is to dress
oneself in morality and then commit evil acts.
Things like Aesop's Fables and the like are told to children so that
they can understand these things...train youngster about how evil
works its ways.
Understand that you don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
Evidently you didn't read these things as a child.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "Curly Surmudgeon" |
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| Title: Re: Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: IN Pastor Sentenced for Welfare Fraud |
25 Jul 2007 09:31:18 AM |
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:27:57 +0000, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:33:12 -0700, GatherNoMoss
<saints2060@yahoo.com> wrote:
This has nothing to do with Christianity.
There not one word in the New Testament condoning ripping off people.
No? I seem to remember christers touting their integrity and honesty.
Where did that come from then?
There is also no wrds in the Big Book of Atheism condoning it either.
In fact, there is no Big Book of Atheism at all.
Of course, that hasn't stopped you Christian from condemning the
"immorality" of atheism or how Christianity is morally superior.
Well, if you're going to talk the talk, you better walk the walk.
The most effective way for evil to destroy morality is to dress
oneself in morality and then commit evil acts.
"Evil" doesn't exist except in the mind of crazymotherfuckers.
Things like Aesop's Fables and the like are told to children so that
they can understand these things...train youngster about how evil works
its ways.
Understand that you don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
Evidently you didn't read these things as a child.
Crazymotherfucker logic. 'nuff said.
-- Regards, Curly
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| User: "Immortalist" |
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| Title: Re: Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: IN Pastor Sentenced for Welfare Fraud |
16 Jul 2007 01:17:43 PM |
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On Jul 15, 12:25 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority
So an atheist who is guilty of welfare fraud has Christian moral
superiority too, or are you saying that only some fraud is performed
by Christians and its superior?
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070713/LOCAL18/7...
An Indianapolis pastor in ailing health will avoid prison after
signing a plea agreement this week to end charges of welfare and
Social Security fraud.
By signing the deal, the Rev. Rochell Johnson, 51, also ensures that
his wife, Denise, 48, won't face prosecution. He is scheduled Aug. 24
to enter a formal plea and be sentenced in Marion Superior Court.
He agrees to admit to one count of felony welfare fraud and pay nearly
$180,000 in restitution to the Social Security Administration. He did
not report his $15,000 salary as pastor of Greater Faith Missionary
Baptist Church for 14 years while he was receiving benefits.
The agreement calls for prosecutors to dismiss charges against Rochell
and Denise Johnson in a second case.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: IN Pastor Sentenced for Welfare Fraud |
16 Jul 2007 10:33:54 PM |
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:17:43 -0700, Immortalist
<reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 15, 12:25 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority
So an atheist who is guilty of welfare fraud has Christian moral
superiority too
Atheism doesn't claim that being an atheist makes you moral.
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| User: "Immortalist" |
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| Title: Re: Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: IN Pastor Sentenced for Welfare Fraud |
19 Jul 2007 01:03:15 PM |
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On Jul 16, 8:33 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:17:43 -0700, Immortalist
<reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 15, 12:25 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority
So an atheist who is guilty of welfare fraud has Christian moral
superiority too
Atheism doesn't claim that being an atheist makes you moral.
Then why did your argument give that appearance?
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Rhetoric_and_Composition/Planning_and_Prewriting
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: IN Pastor Sentenced for Welfare Fraud |
19 Jul 2007 09:48:31 PM |
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:03:15 -0700, Immortalist
<reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 16, 8:33 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:17:43 -0700, Immortalist
<reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 15, 12:25 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority
So an atheist who is guilty of welfare fraud has Christian moral
superiority too
Atheism doesn't claim that being an atheist makes you moral.
Then why did your argument give that appearance?
I didn't imply it, you inferred it. So the real question is why you
inferred it.
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| User: "Immortalist" |
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| Title: Re: Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: IN Pastor Sentenced for Welfare Fraud |
20 Jul 2007 12:12:57 PM |
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On Jul 19, 7:48 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:03:15 -0700, Immortalist
<reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 16, 8:33 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:17:43 -0700, Immortalist
<reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 15, 12:25 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority
So an atheist who is guilty of welfare fraud has Christian moral
superiority too
Atheism doesn't claim that being an atheist makes you moral.
Then why did your argument give that appearance?
I didn't imply it, you inferred it. So the real question is why you
inferred it.
Because it is a large hole in your argument. Your argument determines
that all some kinds of fraud is Christian moral superiority, didn't
it? In that case an athiest/fraud would therefore have Christian moral
superiority. And dat aints nothin to shake a stick at right?
http://people.hofstra.edu/Stefan_Waner/RealWorld/logic/logic5.html
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: IN Pastor Sentenced for Welfare Fraud |
20 Jul 2007 08:30:45 PM |
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:12:57 -0700, Immortalist
<reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 7:48 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:03:15 -0700, Immortalist
<reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 16, 8:33 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:17:43 -0700, Immortalist
<reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 15, 12:25 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority
So an atheist who is guilty of welfare fraud has Christian moral
superiority too
Atheism doesn't claim that being an atheist makes you moral.
Then why did your argument give that appearance?
I didn't imply it, you inferred it. So the real question is why you
inferred it.
Because it is a large hole in your argument. Your argument determines
that all some kinds of fraud is Christian moral superiority, didn't
it?
If you said what it looks as if you might have meant, no.
In that case an athiest/fraud would therefore have Christian moral
superiority.
It parses, but so does "the sky tastes heavy."
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| User: "Immortalist" |
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| Title: Re: Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: IN Pastor Sentenced for Welfare Fraud |
21 Jul 2007 01:06:49 PM |
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On Jul 20, 6:30 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:12:57 -0700, Immortalist
<reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 19, 7:48 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:03:15 -0700, Immortalist
<reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 16, 8:33 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:17:43 -0700, Immortalist
<reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 15, 12:25 pm, "Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote:
Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority
So an atheist who is guilty of welfare fraud has Christian moral
superiority too
Atheism doesn't claim that being an atheist makes you moral.
Then why did your argument give that appearance?
I didn't imply it, you inferred it. So the real question is why you
inferred it.
Because it is a large hole in your argument. Your argument determines
that all some kinds of fraud is Christian moral superiority, didn't
it?
If you said what it looks as if you might have meant, no.
In that case an athiest/fraud would therefore have Christian moral
superiority.
It parses, but so does "the sky tastes heavy."-
Very good. But atheiest and beleiver are contraries, propositions
which directly and destructively contradict each other, but of which
the falsehood of one does not establish the truth of the other, while
the adjective "tastes" contradicts "heavy" in the second (sense) of
pressure against the body. I have to think but I think your argument
still has problems. For the small amount of text space the argument
actually uses you might present it better if you narrow your topic a
little and be more specific. Chaz might have some expertise here. You
appear to want to point the light upon Christian/Republican
crimminals, right?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: IN Pastor Sentenced for Welfare Fraud |
21 Jul 2007 07:10:46 PM |
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:06:49 -0700, Immortalist
<reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 20, 6:30 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:12:57 -0700, Immortalist
In that case an athiest/fraud would therefore have Christian moral
superiority.
It parses, but so does "the sky tastes heavy."-
Very good. But atheiest and beleiver are contraries, propositions
Atheism isn't a proposition, it's lack of a particular belief.
which directly and destructively contradict each other, but of which
the falsehood of one does not establish the truth of the other
There's no "truth" value to atheism, it's merely lack of theism.
It's difficult for you to present a cogent argument against atheism
if, as you've amply demonstrated, you don't know what the word means.
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| User: "Immortalist" |
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| Title: Re: Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: IN Pastor Sentenced for Welfare Fraud |
22 Jul 2007 01:36:33 PM |
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On Jul 21, 5:10 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:06:49 -0700, Immortalist
<reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 20, 6:30 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:12:57 -0700, Immortalist
In that case an athiest/fraud would therefore have Christian moral
superiority.
It parses, but so does "the sky tastes heavy."-
Very good. But atheiest and beleiver are contraries, propositions
Atheism isn't a proposition, it's lack of a particular belief.
You made a logical proposition when you started this thread and this
proposition reflects beliefs you have about the religious and the
athiesistic. Beliefs have justification lest they become
undeterminable. If atheism cannot be determinable true or false or at
least probable it becomes like unicorns.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regress_argument
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=regress+argument
Epistemologists find a number of problems with finding a meta-
justification standard for justifying emperical beliefs. (adapted from
BonJour's 'Basic Antifoundationalist Argument')
http://www.bu.edu/wcp/Papers/TKno/TKnoHowa.htm
1. Suppose, that there are basic empirical beliefs, that is, emperical
beliefs (a) which are epistemically justified, and (b) whose
justification does not depend on that of any further emperical
beliefs.
2. For a belief to be episemically justified requires that there be a
reason why it is likely to be true.
3. A belief is justified for a person only if he is in cognitive
possession of such a reason.
4. A person is in cognitive possession of such a reason only if he
believes with justification the premises from which it follows that
the belief is likely to be true.
5. The premises of such a justifying argument must include at least
one empirical premise.
6. So, the justification of a supposed basic empirical belief depends
on the justification of at least one other empirical belief,
contradicting 1.
7. So, there can be no basic empirical beliefs.
This seems to eliminate the possibility of emperical justification of
any and all emperical beliefs. But it can lead to this untruthfullness
of human beliefs in three ways which deal with the apparent "regress"
of one belief depending upon another which depends upon another and so
on:
If the regress of emperical justification does not terminate in basic
emperical beliefs, then it must either:
(1) terminate in unjustified beleifs
(2) go on infinitely (without circularity)
(3) circle back upon itself in some way. (begging the question on
steroids)
If there is no way to justify emperical beliefs apart from an appeal
to other justified emperical beliefs, and if an infinite sequence of
distinct justified beliefs is ruled out, then the presumably finite
system of justified emperical beliefs can only be justified from
within, by birtue of the relations of its component beliefs to each
other. Coherence theory is of the variey (3) seemingly circular if
veiwed in an linear fasion, merely indicated by whatever
"property" (or complex of properties) is requisite for the
justification of such a system of beliefs. Degrees of justification
emerge out of the relations of groups of beliefs.
which directly and destructively contradict each other, but of which
the falsehood of one does not establish the truth of the other
There's no "truth" value to atheism, it's merely lack of theism.
If one could stay within those parameters but you didn't. Any time
someone asserts something it must be ready to be defended if the
conversational rules require. Your original statement has an ambiguity
which could easily be construed as an assertion in the positive or
negative for atheism. All you need to do to save face is tighten up
the scope of the extension of your main predicate so that it merely
denotes religious behavior and somehow contradicts the behavior of
atheists, problem solved.
It's difficult for you to present a cogent argument against atheism
if, as you've amply demonstrated, you don't know what the word means.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: IN Pastor Sentenced for Welfare Fraud |
22 Jul 2007 04:23:07 PM |
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:36:33 -0700, Immortalist
<reanimater_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 21, 5:10 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:06:49 -0700, Immortalist
<reanimater_2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 20, 6:30 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:12:57 -0700, Immortalist
In that case an athiest/fraud would therefore have Christian moral
superiority.
It parses, but so does "the sky tastes heavy."-
Very good. But atheiest and beleiver are contraries, propositions
Atheism isn't a proposition, it's lack of a particular belief.
You made a logical proposition when you started this thread and this
proposition reflects beliefs you have about the religious and the
athiesistic.
Having beliefs about X doesn't make X, itself, a belief. I have
beliefs about elephants, but elephants are animals, not beliefs.
Your "logic" leaves a little to be desired.
Beliefs have justification lest they become undeterminable.
That's nice for beliefs, but atheism isn't one.
If atheism cannot be determinable true or false or at
least probable it becomes like unicorns.
You don't believe in them, do you? We don't believe in gods for the
same reason. Never seen any objective evidence that one objectively
exists.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: IN Pastor Sentenced for Welfare Fraud |
15 Jul 2007 08:17:09 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:25:44 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
He agrees to admit to one count of felony welfare fraud and pay nearly
$180,000 in restitution to the Social Security Administration. He did
not report his $15,000 salary as pastor of Greater Faith Missionary
Baptist Church for 14 years while he was receiving benefits.
The agreement calls for prosecutors to dismiss charges against Rochell
and Denise Johnson in a second case.
I wonder what the authorities would have done if he had been an
atheist who didn't report the salary he got as the employee of a
business owned by another atheist.
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Re: Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: IN Pastor Sentenced for Welfare Fraud |
16 Jul 2007 10:10:29 AM |
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On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:17:09 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:25:44 GMT, "Yang, AthD (h.c)"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote:
He agrees to admit to one count of felony welfare fraud and pay nearly
$180,000 in restitution to the Social Security Administration. He did
not report his $15,000 salary as pastor of Greater Faith Missionary
Baptist Church for 14 years while he was receiving benefits.
The agreement calls for prosecutors to dismiss charges against Rochell
and Denise Johnson in a second case.
I wonder what the authorities would have done if he had been an
atheist who didn't report the salary he got as the employee of a
business owned by another atheist.
Then he doesn't get the Christian slap-on-the-wrist bonus!
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "Danwood224" |
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| Title: Re: Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: IN Pastor Sentenced forWelfare Fraud |
21 Jul 2007 03:02:56 PM |
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Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070713/LOCAL18/707130499/-1/LOCAL17
An Indianapolis pastor in ailing health will avoid prison after
signing a plea agreement this week to end charges of welfare and
Social Security fraud.
By signing the deal, the Rev. Rochell Johnson, 51, also ensures that
his wife, Denise, 48, won't face prosecution. He is scheduled Aug. 24
to enter a formal plea and be sentenced in Marion Superior Court.
He agrees to admit to one count of felony welfare fraud and pay nearly
$180,000 in restitution to the Social Security Administration. He did
not report his $15,000 salary as pastor of Greater Faith Missionary
Baptist Church for 14 years while he was receiving benefits.
The agreement calls for prosecutors to dismiss charges against Rochell
and Denise Johnson in a second case.
People sometimes will plead guilty to save A loved one from prison.
How do you know this is _not_ the case?
Dan
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| User: "Ralph" |
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| Title: Re: Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: IN Pastor Sentenced for Welfare Fraud |
21 Jul 2007 07:03:29 PM |
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"Danwood224" <danwood224@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:46A26670.5080602@gmail.com...
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070713/LOCAL18/707130499/-1/LOCAL17
An Indianapolis pastor in ailing health will avoid prison after
signing a plea agreement this week to end charges of welfare and
Social Security fraud.
By signing the deal, the Rev. Rochell Johnson, 51, also ensures that
his wife, Denise, 48, won't face prosecution. He is scheduled Aug. 24
to enter a formal plea and be sentenced in Marion Superior Court.
He agrees to admit to one count of felony welfare fraud and pay nearly
$180,000 in restitution to the Social Security Administration. He did
not report his $15,000 salary as pastor of Greater Faith Missionary
Baptist Church for 14 years while he was receiving benefits.
The agreement calls for prosecutors to dismiss charges against Rochell
and Denise Johnson in a second case.
People sometimes will plead guilty to save A loved one from prison.
How do you know this is _not_ the case?
Dan
We assumed he had enough brains to marry a 'true' Christian.
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| User: "Danwood224" |
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| Title: Re: Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: IN Pastor Sentenced forWelfare Fraud |
21 Jul 2007 09:42:50 PM |
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Ralph wrote:
"Danwood224" <danwood224@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:46A26670.5080602@gmail.com...
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
Yep, that vaunted Christian moral superiority
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070713/LOCAL18/707130499/-1/LOCAL17
An Indianapolis pastor in ailing health will avoid prison after
signing a plea agreement this week to end charges of welfare and
Social Security fraud.
By signing the deal, the Rev. Rochell Johnson, 51, also ensures that
his wife, Denise, 48, won't face prosecution. He is scheduled Aug. 24
to enter a formal plea and be sentenced in Marion Superior Court.
He agrees to admit to one count of felony welfare fraud and pay nearly
$180,000 in restitution to the Social Security Administration. He did
not report his $15,000 salary as pastor of Greater Faith Missionary
Baptist Church for 14 years while he was receiving benefits.
The agreement calls for prosecutors to dismiss charges against Rochell
and Denise Johnson in a second case.
People sometimes will plead guilty to save A loved one from prison.
How do you know this is _not_ the case?
Dan
We assumed he had enough brains to marry a 'true' Christian.
"True Christian"? Only Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses believe this "true"
Christian nonsense. But it's never fair to paint people with the same
broad brush.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: IN Pastor Sentenced for Welfare Fraud |
21 Jul 2007 09:34:02 PM |
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:02:56 -0400, Danwood224 <danwood224@gmail.com>
wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
He agrees to admit to one count of felony welfare fraud and pay nearly
$180,000 in restitution to the Social Security Administration. He did
not report his $15,000 salary as pastor of Greater Faith Missionary
Baptist Church for 14 years while he was receiving benefits.
The agreement calls for prosecutors to dismiss charges against Rochell
and Denise Johnson in a second case.
People sometimes will plead guilty to save A loved one from prison.
How do you know this is _not_ the case?
There's no evidence that it is. If you have any, post it.
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| User: "Danwood224" |
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| Title: Re: Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: IN Pastor Sentenced forWelfare Fraud |
21 Jul 2007 09:46:09 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:02:56 -0400, Danwood224 <danwood224@gmail.com>
wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
He agrees to admit to one count of felony welfare fraud and pay nearly
$180,000 in restitution to the Social Security Administration. He did
not report his $15,000 salary as pastor of Greater Faith Missionary
Baptist Church for 14 years while he was receiving benefits.
The agreement calls for prosecutors to dismiss charges against Rochell
and Denise Johnson in a second case.
People sometimes will plead guilty to save A loved one from prison.
How do you know this is _not_ the case?
There's no evidence that it is. If you have any, post it.
Who knows. But it sometimes happens. Most people will do almost
anything to protect family and those he loves.
Dan
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Sound of Trumpet Christian Morality: IN Pastor Sentenced for Welfare Fraud |
22 Jul 2007 04:21:00 PM |
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:46:09 -0400, Danwood224 <danwood224@gmail.com>
wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:02:56 -0400, Danwood224 <danwood224@gmail.com>
wrote:
Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
He agrees to admit to one count of felony welfare fraud and pay nearly
$180,000 in restitution to the Social Security Administration. He did
not report his $15,000 salary as pastor of Greater Faith Missionary
Baptist Church for 14 years while he was receiving benefits.
The agreement calls for prosecutors to dismiss charges against Rochell
and Denise Johnson in a second case.
People sometimes will plead guilty to save A loved one from prison.
How do you know this is _not_ the case?
There's no evidence that it is. If you have any, post it.
Who knows. But it sometimes happens. Most people will do almost
anything to protect family and those he loves.
Or maybe he pled guilty because he's a drug addict and doesn't know
what he's doing.
Or maybe he pled guilty because he's got a compulsion to confess to
criminal acts.
Or maybe he pled guilty because he's insane.
There are lot of possibilities, NONE of which are supported by facts
in evidence. The ONLY logical conclusion is that, barring evidence to
the contrary, he pled guilty because he's guilty.
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