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User: "Timothy Sutter"
Date: 04 Feb 2005 06:09:44 AM
Object: speaks in a figure...
....and then speaks plainly
.

User: "Timothy Sutter"

Title: Re: speaks in a figure... 04 Feb 2005 07:18:57 AM

...and then speaks plainly

U = w + q
total internal energy equals work and heat
U is the substance of sight
Faith is the substance beyond sight
there's something more than U here
the substance of Faith is a limitless resource
there's something more than you here
you would like to access this limitless
resource in Faith and make it work for you.
Jesus Christ is the key.
living and residing in Jesus' Name
God is becoming your substance
living according to the flesh,
God will be anihilating
your substance
living in the Spirit,
God is providing
the substance.
it is for me
if you want it
you can have it
it is for me
.
User: "Timothy Sutter"

Title: Re: speaks in a figure... 04 Feb 2005 07:55:38 AM
so there you are, walking a tightrope
across a grand canyon, and you'd
like to claim that you've blocked
out all noise.
but in reality, there you are,
tuned directly in to the noise
and only plugging your ears up
with your fingers and closing
your eyes, -while- you are
walking a tightrope across
a grand canyon.
and there's this other person,
and this other person is tuned
in to the station of Christ,
this person is making the walk
on the tightrope across a canyon
without blinking an eye,
when that which could be noisy
rears it's ugly little head, all this
person sees is an inconsequence
mouthing the words to a song
we don't recognize.
if all that noise is bringing you down,
do not shut your ears and close your eyes,
reach out to Jesus and set your dials correctly.
Jesus will -never- relay a threatening message,
dangling wire cutters suggestive of bon voyage,
there's no tomorrow.
Jesus will broaden that thread
give you back your composure
and slowly remove the supports
as you develop your aptitude for Christ.
=-Jesus-= is genuine,
you will become genuine, in time.
now take your fingers out of your ears.
.
User: "Timothy Sutter"

Title: Re: speaks in a figure... 04 Feb 2005 08:57:16 AM
see, YHWH began reconstructing this bridge
to humanity, over time, and was proceeding
towards us as it was being constructed.
Christ, The Cross between God and Mankind, appears,
says 'hi', completes the conciliation, and walks back
across the bridge taking his own first fruit of his labors
with him, namely, the resurrected Jesus, the son of man.
now, the Glorified Jesus Christ comes and goes
bringing provisions and gifts back the many.
and we, the many, being beckoned by Christ,
proceed to walk across that bridge entering
into the completeness of The Cross and
full Spiritual hybridization.
and our entry into that Eternal City,
built not by the hand of man, but is
the Declaration of the righteous nature
of God's Creation,
is already accomplished in Christ Jesus.
.
User: "Timothy Sutter"

Title: Re: speaks in a figure... 04 Feb 2005 09:36:31 AM
troubles and assorted difficulties in the
material framework needn't just disappear,
but the moment you say, "that's for me"
you never turn back.
people can trip each other up and land in a ditch
Jesus Christ has already
been to God and calls back.
first we enter into the peace
which is in Jesus Christ,
and are led into that full Glory which
Christ has already presented to God,
according to the good pleasure of God's
own will and good counsel, fulfilling
that which God has purposed in God.
don't even look to the right or to the left
"-that's- for me"
.
User: "Timothy Sutter"

Title: Re: speaks in a figure... 04 Feb 2005 10:04:00 AM
what's of note is that this 'bridge'
is not reckoned in measure of miles
nor inches but as if it were a
non-dimensional passageway to
Unity with God in Christ.
it's right there, in your midst,
in composition,
that substance which
is not seen.
be drawn in to the Spirit
step in to the Spirit
God is with you always.
.
User: "Timothy Sutter"

Title: Able to do... 04 Feb 2005 08:38:04 PM
a few scrittures
you won't see
"God is unable to do..."
or "God cannot do this"
or "God cannot finish what was started"
quite the contrary...
===
Jude 1:24
Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling,
And to present you faultless Before the presence
of His glory with exceeding joy,
Ephesians 3:20
Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly
abundantly above all that we ask or think,
according to the power that works in us,
Romans 4:21
and being fully convinced that what He
had promised He was also able to perform.
Romans 16:25
Now to Him who is able to establish you according
to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ,
according to the revelation of the mystery
kept secret since the world began
2 Corinthians 9:8
And God is able to make all grace abound toward you,
that you, always having all sufficiency in all things,
may have an abundance for every good work.
Philippians 3:21
who will transform our lowly body that it may be
conformed to His glorious body, according to the
working by which He is able even to subdue
all things to Himself.
2 Timothy 1:12
For this reason I also suffer these things; nevertheless
I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed and
am persuaded that He is able to keep what I have
committed to Him until that Day.
Hebrews 2:18
For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted,
He is able to aid those who are tempted.
Acts 20:32
"So now, brethren, I commend you to God
and to the word of His grace, which is able
to build you up and give you an inheritance
among all those who are sanctified.
Titus 1:9
holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught,
that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort
and convict those who contradict.
James 1:21
Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow
of wickedness, and receive with meekness the
implanted word, which is able to save your souls.
2 Timothy 3:15
and that from childhood you have known
the Holy Scrittures, which are able to make
you wise for salvation through faith
which is in Christ Jesus.
Romans 14:4
Who are you to judge another's servant?
To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed,
he will be made to stand, for God
is able to make him stand.
Hebrews 5:7
who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered
up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries
and tears to Him who was able to save Him from
death, and was heard because of His godly fear,
Hebrews 7:25
Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost
those who come to God through Him, since He
always lives to make intercession for them.
Hebrews 11:19
concluding that God was able to raise him up,
even from the dead, from which he also
received him in a figurative sense.
Romans 8:39
nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing,
shall be able to separate us from the love of God
which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
James 3:2
For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does
not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able
also to bridle the whole body.
1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you except such as
is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not
allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able,
but with the temptation will also make the way of
escape, that you may be able to bear it.
Ephesians 6:11
Put on the whole armor of God, that you may
be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Ephesians 6:13
Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that
you may be able to withstand in the evil day,
and having done all, to stand.
Ephesians 6:16
above all, taking the shield of faith with which
you will be able to quench all the fiery darts
of the wicked one.
2 Timothy 2:24
And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel
but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient,
===
.
User: "Timothy Sutter"

Title: Re: Able to do... 04 Feb 2005 08:52:26 PM
===
Ephesians 3:7
of which I became a minister according
to the gift of the grace of God given
to me by the effective working
of His power.
===
if you're 'hearing' a lot of;
'doesn't work'
'isn't real'
'you can't do it'
'we'll never make it'
etc.etc.etc.
change the channel.
good night.
.
User: "Libertarius"

Title: Re: Able to do... 04 Feb 2005 09:23:21 PM
Clouds are a hiding place for Him, so that He cannot see;
OR: Thick clouds are a covering to him, so that he doesn't see.
OR: He walks on the vault of the sky.' Thick clouds are a covering to
him,
that he seeth not;
OR: Thick clouds are covering him, so that he is unable to see (Job
22:14)
.
User: "Timothy Sutter"

Title: Re: Able to do... 05 Feb 2005 02:51:48 AM
Libertarius wrote:

Clouds are a hiding place for Him, so that He cannot see;
OR: Thick clouds are a covering to him, so that he doesn't see.
OR: He walks on the vault of the sky.' Thick clouds are
a covering to him, that he seeth not;
OR: Thick clouds are covering him, so that he is unable to see
(Job 22:14)

this is spoken by Eliphaz the Temanite
whom YHWH chastizes as an improper witness.
--
Job 22:1
Eliphaz the Temanite answered and said:
--
---
Job 42 7
And it was so, after YHWH had spoken
these words to Job, that YHWH said to
Eliphaz the Temanite, "My wrath is aroused
against you and your two friends, for you
have not spoken of Me what was right,
as my servant Job has.
---
.



User: "Libertarius"

Title: Re: Able to do... Your opinion 04 Feb 2005 09:19:44 PM
Timothy Sutter wrote:

a few scrittures

you won't see

"God is unable to do..."

or "God cannot do this"

or "God cannot finish what was started"

quite the contrary...

SEE OTHER OPINIONS:
"And the Lord was with Judah;
and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain;
but could not dive out the inhabitants of the valley,
because they had chariots of iron" (Judges 1:19).
"Thick clouds cover Him, so that He cannot see"
(Job 22:14 KJV)
"Thick clouds are covering him,
so that he is unable to see (BEB) -- L.
.
User: "Timothy Sutter"

Title: Re: Able to do... 05 Feb 2005 02:50:12 AM

Timothy Sutter wrote:

a few scrittures
you won't see
"God is unable to do..."
or "God cannot do this"
or "God cannot finish what was started"
quite the contrary...

Libertarius wrote:

SEE OTHER OPINIONS:
"Thick clouds cover Him, so that He cannot see"
(Job 22:14 KJV)
"Thick clouds are covering him,
so that he is unable to see (BEB) -- L.

this is spoken by Eliphaz the Temanite
whom YHWH rejects as a proper witness.
not a trusted 'opinion' at all.
--
Job 22:1
Eliphaz the Temanite answered and said:
--
---
Job 42 7
And it was so, after YHWH had spoken
these words to Job, that YHWH said to
Eliphaz the Temanite, "My wrath is aroused
against you and your two friends, for you
have not spoken of Me what was right,
as my servant Job has.
---
Libertarius wrote:

"And the Lord was with Judah;
and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain;
but could not dive out the inhabitants of the valley,
because they had chariots of iron" (Judges 1:19).

object lessons.
keep this in mind;
---
Matthew 17:19-20
Then the disciples came to Jesus privately
and said, "Why could we not cast it out?"
So Jesus said to them, "Because of your unbelief;
for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as
a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain,
"Move from here to there,' and it will move;
and nothing will be impossible for you.
However, this kind does not go out
except by prayer and fasting."
---
see here;
==
Judges 2:1-3
Then the Angel of YHWH came up from
Gilgal to Bochim, and said: "I led you up
from Egypt and brought you to the land
of which I swore to your fathers; and I said,
"I will never break My covenant with you.
And you shall make no covenant with
the inhabitants of this land; you shall
tear down their altars.' But you have
not obeyed My voice. Why have you
done this? Therefore I also said, "I will
not drive them out before you; but they
shall be thorns in your side, and their
gods shall be a snare to you."'
--
--
Joshua 11:6
But YHWH said to Joshua, "Do not be afraid
because of them, for tomorrow about this time
I will deliver all of them slain before Israel.
You shall hamstring their horses and
burn their chariots with fire."
--
--
Judges 1:19
YHWH was certainly with Judah in that they
took over the hill country. But they couldn't
oust the people on the plain because they
had iron chariots.
===
me;
the indication here is that they failed
under their own strength due to lack
of good faith on their part.
they went and entered into -agreement-
with that which YHWH told them not to.
i can go over the entire story but you'll find
that when the people fell back on their own
sight, they became afraid and faltered.
not and never that YHWH was powerless nor
unable to drive away any thing, after all,
YHWH had just pulled them out of Egypt
with a strong arm,
===
Deuteronomy 20:1
"When you go out to battle against your enemies,
and see horses and chariots and people more numerous
than you, do not be afraid of them; for YHWH your God
is with you, who brought you up from the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 20:3
And he shall say to them, "Hear, O Israel: Today you are
on the verge of battle with your enemies. Do not let your
heart faint, do not be afraid, and do not tremble
or be terrified because of them;
Deuteronomy 31:6
Be strong and of good courage, do not fear
nor be afraid of them; for YHWH your God,
He is the One who goes with you. He will
not leave you nor forsake you."
Joshua 1:9
Have I not commanded you? Be strong and
of good courage; do not be afraid, nor be dismayed,
for YHWH your God is with you wherever you go."
Exodus 14:14
YHWH will fight for you,
and you shall hold your peace."
Deuteronomy 33:27
The eternal God is your refuge, And underneath
are the everlasting arms; He will thrust out the
enemy from before you, And will say, "Destroy!'
Deuteronomy 3:22
You must not fear them, for YHWH
your God Himself fights for you.'
===
me;
even after all that, the murmerers murmered.
there were even those who wanted to go back
to Egypt because they preferred bondage to
the fearful prospects of thier own freedom.
we shall not be daunted.
so, while you may feel that God is -unable-
to drive out -all- of your troubles, this
is -your- fear and one God will take you
to task over,
but never forsake you nor leave you.
---
1 Corinthians 10:13
No examining trial has overtaken you except such as
is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not
allow you to be tried beyond what you are able,
but with the examination will also make the way of
escape, that you may be able to bear it.
---
-my- 'opinion' is borne out by actual findings
and -not- unexamined nor irrational fears.
i have seen that God tastes good.
.
User: "Timothy Sutter"

Title: Re: Able to do... 05 Feb 2005 03:05:48 AM

-my- 'opinion' is borne out by actual findings
and -not- unexamined nor irrational fears.
i have seen that God tastes good.

the David bits consider that David
relied entirely on YHWH and never
for one moment shrugged.
Saul was off consulting mediums
to talk to a dead prophet, and
he became unnerved.
David just stood up and said;
"i'll do it"
and Goliath fell.
and then there's the bit about Elisha;
--
2 Kings 6:17
And Elisha prayed, and said,"YHWH, I pray, open
his eyes that he may see." Then YHWH opened the
eyes of the young man, and he saw. And behold,
the mountain was full of horses and
chariots of fire all around Elisha.
--
not everything is visible to the naked eye.
.
User: "Timothy Sutter"

Title: Re: Able to do... 05 Feb 2005 04:24:36 AM
"'maybe you better stay behind.
we'll come and get you later, and
then you can be afraid of -me-"
now, -that's- funny.
God begins the good work in you
and you look around, see your
circumstances and fall back
in agreement with your fears.
many never set out and
get on line towards the goal,
and certainly, there -could- be a greater
degree of risk and peril -if- such a
paralysis sets in -after- you've begun
your walk towards the free space,
but you have -not- been left unattended.
Our Savior is always and forever right there.
total reliance upon God is, in itself,
the truest form of strength.
in the midst of tumult, it sees only God.
if God gives you Faith, and you
fall back in agreement with your fears,
there will be conflict, and God
may -not- simply wipe this away,
but your Faith is a fruitful presence,
and with persistent applications and use,
your strength will increase in much the same
manner as proper eating nourishes your bones.
such is not the time to be backbiting
each other and discouraging each other.
the cares of this world can be outgrown.
and God's own special salve will
clear up any woundings should
they begin to fester.
but you -have to- apply it.
such is the ageless tale.
and then...
.


User: "George Peatty"

Title: Re: Able to do... 05 Feb 2005 11:02:47 AM
On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 03:50:12 -0500, Timothy Sutter <a202010@lycos.com>
wrote:

this is spoken by Eliphaz the Temanite
whom YHWH rejects as a proper witness.
not a trusted 'opinion' at all.

They were wrong to condemn Job for his sin, which is tantamount to libel
since they had no proof, or probable cause. It is an open question whether
they were wrong about anything else, and unreasonable on its face to dismiss
everything said by Job's friends because of God's rebuke.
.

User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic"

Title: Re: Able to do... 28 Feb 2005 03:48:36 PM
Well done !!!
"Timothy Sutter" <a202010@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:420488C4.7639@lycos.com...

Timothy Sutter wrote:

a few scrittures
you won't see
"God is unable to do..."
or "God cannot do this"
or "God cannot finish what was started"
quite the contrary...


Libertarius wrote:

SEE OTHER OPINIONS:


"Thick clouds cover Him, so that He cannot see"
(Job 22:14 KJV)
"Thick clouds are covering him,
so that he is unable to see (BEB) -- L.



this is spoken by Eliphaz the Temanite
whom YHWH rejects as a proper witness.
not a trusted 'opinion' at all.

--
Job 22:1
Eliphaz the Temanite answered and said:
--
---
Job 42 7
And it was so, after YHWH had spoken
these words to Job, that YHWH said to
Eliphaz the Temanite, "My wrath is aroused
against you and your two friends, for you
have not spoken of Me what was right,
as my servant Job has.
---


Libertarius wrote:

"And the Lord was with Judah;
and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain;
but could not dive out the inhabitants of the valley,
because they had chariots of iron" (Judges 1:19).



object lessons.

keep this in mind;
---
Matthew 17:19-20
Then the disciples came to Jesus privately
and said, "Why could we not cast it out?"

So Jesus said to them, "Because of your unbelief;
for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as
a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain,
"Move from here to there,' and it will move;
and nothing will be impossible for you.
However, this kind does not go out
except by prayer and fasting."
---

see here;

==
Judges 2:1-3
Then the Angel of YHWH came up from
Gilgal to Bochim, and said: "I led you up
from Egypt and brought you to the land
of which I swore to your fathers; and I said,
"I will never break My covenant with you.
And you shall make no covenant with
the inhabitants of this land; you shall
tear down their altars.' But you have
not obeyed My voice. Why have you
done this? Therefore I also said, "I will
not drive them out before you; but they
shall be thorns in your side, and their
gods shall be a snare to you."'
--

--
Joshua 11:6
But YHWH said to Joshua, "Do not be afraid
because of them, for tomorrow about this time
I will deliver all of them slain before Israel.
You shall hamstring their horses and
burn their chariots with fire."
--
--
Judges 1:19
YHWH was certainly with Judah in that they
took over the hill country. But they couldn't
oust the people on the plain because they
had iron chariots.
===


me;
the indication here is that they failed
under their own strength due to lack
of good faith on their part.

they went and entered into -agreement-
with that which YHWH told them not to.

i can go over the entire story but you'll find
that when the people fell back on their own
sight, they became afraid and faltered.

not and never that YHWH was powerless nor
unable to drive away any thing, after all,
YHWH had just pulled them out of Egypt
with a strong arm,


===
Deuteronomy 20:1
"When you go out to battle against your enemies,
and see horses and chariots and people more numerous
than you, do not be afraid of them; for YHWH your God
is with you, who brought you up from the land of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 20:3
And he shall say to them, "Hear, O Israel: Today you are
on the verge of battle with your enemies. Do not let your
heart faint, do not be afraid, and do not tremble
or be terrified because of them;

Deuteronomy 31:6
Be strong and of good courage, do not fear
nor be afraid of them; for YHWH your God,
He is the One who goes with you. He will
not leave you nor forsake you."

Joshua 1:9
Have I not commanded you? Be strong and
of good courage; do not be afraid, nor be dismayed,
for YHWH your God is with you wherever you go."

Exodus 14:14
YHWH will fight for you,
and you shall hold your peace."

Deuteronomy 33:27
The eternal God is your refuge, And underneath
are the everlasting arms; He will thrust out the
enemy from before you, And will say, "Destroy!'

Deuteronomy 3:22
You must not fear them, for YHWH
your God Himself fights for you.'
===

me;
even after all that, the murmerers murmered.

there were even those who wanted to go back
to Egypt because they preferred bondage to
the fearful prospects of thier own freedom.

we shall not be daunted.

so, while you may feel that God is -unable-
to drive out -all- of your troubles, this
is -your- fear and one God will take you
to task over,

but never forsake you nor leave you.


---
1 Corinthians 10:13
No examining trial has overtaken you except such as
is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not
allow you to be tried beyond what you are able,
but with the examination will also make the way of
escape, that you may be able to bear it.
---


-my- 'opinion' is borne out by actual findings
and -not- unexamined nor irrational fears.

i have seen that God tastes good.

.
User: "Timothy Sutter"

Title: Re: Able to do... 02 Mar 2005 01:10:58 AM

Timothy Sutter wrote...

-my- 'opinion' is borne out by actual findings
and -not- unexamined nor irrational fears.
i have seen that God tastes good.

Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:

Well done !!!

medium rare
.
User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic"

Title: Re: Able to do... 03 Mar 2005 11:19:11 PM
:-)
"Timothy Sutter" <a202010@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:42256702.5816@lycos.com...

Timothy Sutter wrote...

-my- 'opinion' is borne out by actual findings
and -not- unexamined nor irrational fears.


i have seen that God tastes good.



Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:

Well done !!!



medium rare

.












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