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"Giant Waffle" |
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13 Oct 2006 08:02:41 PM |
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Study Bibles |
Hi,
What is everyone's favorite Study Bible and why
(aside from translations)?
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Giant Waffle
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My heart rejoices in the Lord; My horn is exalted in the Lord.
I smile at my enemies, because I rejoice in Your salvation.
- 1 Samuel 2:1
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| User: "Mark T wh@tcrap89356874233765897643376589757647" |
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| Title: Re: Study Bibles |
13 Oct 2006 11:55:21 PM |
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"Giant Waffle" <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> waffled on:
What is everyone's favorite Study Bible and why
(aside from translations)?
The MTV!!!!! .... from which the following is taken .......
"All things are probable. Try to believe." - Mark 17:1
"Really! Try to believe even if it's bloody stupid and irrational." - Mark
17:2
"Why? Because I said so, that's why! Don't ask questions. Just
believe." - Mark 17:3
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| User: "Dichard Rawkins" |
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| Title: Re: Study Bibles |
15 Oct 2006 11:51:53 AM |
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Giant Waffle <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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What is everyone's favorite Study Bible and why
(aside from translations)?
KJV, without any silly annotations or additional notes. I know the context from
having studied the history of the Bible, Judaism, and other religions of the
time, so I don't need some two-bit idiot telling me what it actually says.
Yes, I know people say it is not as "accurate" as other later translations, but
it is an important version because it has been used so heavily throughout
modern Christian history.
When I was in the faith I used the RSV most of the time, and that Living Bible
translation that was done by Ken Taylor, sometimes printed in a paperback
version with the title "The Way". Now in retrospect, I'm not so impressed.
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***Free Your Mind***
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| User: " Midwinter" |
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| Title: Re: Study Bibles |
15 Oct 2006 05:14:25 AM |
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Giant Waffle <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote:
What is everyone's favorite Study Bible and why
(aside from translations)?
There are no Bibles aside from translations.
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| User: "Giant Waffle" |
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15 Oct 2006 09:22:57 AM |
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 05:14:25 -0500, while bungee jumping,
" Midwinter" <midwinter_m@hotmail.co.uk> shouted thusly:
Giant Waffle <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote:
What is everyone's favorite Study Bible and why
(aside from translations)?
There are no Bibles aside from translations.
And people wonder why there is so much fighting
in these groups. One can't even ask a simple
question any more, without people trying to
turn it into an argument. (:
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Giant Waffle
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My heart rejoices in the Lord; My horn is exalted in the Lord.
I smile at my enemies, because I rejoice in Your salvation.
- 1 Samuel 2:1
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| User: " Midwinter" |
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| Title: Re: Study Bibles |
15 Oct 2006 10:25:41 AM |
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Giant Waffle <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote:
There are no Bibles aside from translations.
And people wonder why there is so much fighting
in these groups. One can't even ask a simple
question any more, without people trying to
turn it into an argument. (:
Well, you can feel free to argue that point if you like, but I doubt you've
got a convincing case. As far as I'm concerned it was a statement of fact,
not a suggestion.
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| User: "" |
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14 Oct 2006 07:53:24 AM |
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:02:41 GMT, Giant Waffle
<_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi,
What is everyone's favorite Study Bible and why
(aside from translations)?
I personally enjoy reading and studying from a variety of versions,
simply for reading the differences in them, comparison or
clarification of verses.
Right now I am again reading the KJV. But I have other versions I have
also read from cover to cover. I am also partway through Max Lucado's
"The Devotional Bible" which is listed as 'New Century Version.'
It was given to me as a gift from my brother.
What version(s) do you read?
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| User: "Giant Waffle" |
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| Title: Re: Study Bibles |
14 Oct 2006 11:49:58 AM |
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:53:24 -0400, spake
thusly:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:02:41 GMT, Giant Waffle
<_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi,
What is everyone's favorite Study Bible and why
(aside from translations)?
I personally enjoy reading and studying from a variety of versions,
simply for reading the differences in them, comparison or
clarification of verses.
Right now I am again reading the KJV. But I have other versions I have
also read from cover to cover. I am also partway through Max Lucado's
"The Devotional Bible" which is listed as 'New Century Version.'
It was given to me as a gift from my brother.
What version(s) do you read?
Please read my question again carefully.
--
Giant Waffle
<{{{><
My heart rejoices in the Lord; My horn is exalted in the Lord.
I smile at my enemies, because I rejoice in Your salvation.
- 1 Samuel 2:1
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| User: "SongBookz" |
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| Title: Re: Study Bibles |
14 Oct 2006 12:24:00 PM |
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"Giant Waffle" <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7952j25n62h3pj884t7s4eh6g81uq0e9n9@4ax.com...
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:53:24 -0400, spake
thusly:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:02:41 GMT, Giant Waffle
<_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi,
What is everyone's favorite Study Bible and why
(aside from translations)?
I personally enjoy reading and studying from a variety of versions,
simply for reading the differences in them, comparison or
clarification of verses.
Right now I am again reading the KJV. But I have other versions I have
also read from cover to cover. I am also partway through Max Lucado's
"The Devotional Bible" which is listed as 'New Century Version.'
It was given to me as a gift from my brother.
What version(s) do you read?
Please read my question again carefully.
You asked incorrectly, unless you are reading in the original Hebrew, Greek
and Aramaic, all Bibles are translations.
--
Terrell D Lewis
http://www.epigramz.com
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| User: "Giant Waffle" |
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14 Oct 2006 06:38:17 PM |
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 17:24:00 GMT, "SongBookz"
<NOSPAM@NOWAY.net> spake thusly:
"Giant Waffle" <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7952j25n62h3pj884t7s4eh6g81uq0e9n9@4ax.com...
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:53:24 -0400, spake
thusly:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 01:02:41 GMT, Giant Waffle
<_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi,
What is everyone's favorite Study Bible and why
(aside from translations)?
I personally enjoy reading and studying from a variety of versions,
simply for reading the differences in them, comparison or
clarification of verses.
Right now I am again reading the KJV. But I have other versions I have
also read from cover to cover. I am also partway through Max Lucado's
"The Devotional Bible" which is listed as 'New Century Version.'
It was given to me as a gift from my brother.
What version(s) do you read?
Please read my question again carefully.
You asked incorrectly, unless you are reading in the original Hebrew, Greek
and Aramaic, all Bibles are translations.
I'm not going to argue with you. I did not ask incorrectly.
My question specified that it did not include which
translation. It did not exclude that people read various
translations. My question simply showed that I was not
asking which translation they personally read. It was
about which "Study Bible" they preferred and why,
regardless of the translation.
--
Giant Waffle
<{{{><
My heart rejoices in the Lord; My horn is exalted in the Lord.
I smile at my enemies, because I rejoice in Your salvation.
- 1 Samuel 2:1
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| User: "Mike Dundee" |
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| Title: NIV...It's roots and more... |
14 Oct 2006 03:07:50 PM |
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The NIV was originally published by Zondervan, the complete NIV Bible being
released in 1978.
In 1988 Zondervan became a division of HarperCollins Publishers, which still
publishes the NIV, the most recent release being the complete version of
Today's New International Version (TNIV) in 2005.
What other books of interest does HarperCollins publish?
"The Joy of Gay Sex"
http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780060012748
"The Satanic Bible" by Anton La Vey
http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780380015399
Dr. Virginia Mollenkott, one of fourteen literary critics on the NIV
translation committee, is a professed lesbian.
Dr. Mollenkott was quoted in the Episcopal publication Witness (June 1991)
as saying my lesbianism has always been a part of me...
Another MAJOR problem...
The KJV... Isaiah 14:12
12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art
thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
NIV Isaiah 14:12
How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have
been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
Significance? Satan is changed from Lucifer to the "morning star"
So what's wrong with that?
Rev 22:16 KJV
16: I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the
churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and
morning star.
Jesus is "the morning star"
The NIV makes Satan and Jesus one and the same!
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| User: "r m rm@hotmailDOTcom" |
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16 Oct 2006 09:40:49 AM |
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"Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com> wrote in message
news:qsbYg.14682$e66.988@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
The NIV was originally published by Zondervan, the complete NIV Bible
being released in 1978.
In 1988 Zondervan became a division of HarperCollins Publishers, which
still publishes the NIV, the most recent release being the complete
version of Today's New International Version (TNIV) in 2005.
What other books of interest does HarperCollins publish?
"The Joy of Gay Sex"
http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780060012748
"The Satanic Bible" by Anton La Vey
http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780380015399
Dr. Virginia Mollenkott, one of fourteen literary critics on the NIV
translation committee, is a professed lesbian.
Dr. Mollenkott was quoted in the Episcopal publication Witness (June
1991) as saying my lesbianism has always been a part of me...
Another MAJOR problem...
The KJV... Isaiah 14:12
12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how
art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
NIV Isaiah 14:12
How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You
have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
Significance? Satan is changed from Lucifer to the "morning star"
So what's wrong with that?
Lucifer in Isa 14:12 (LXX) is the same expression as "day star" in 2Pet
1:19 but is completely different in Rev 22:16.
I wouldn't necessarily correlate Isa 14:12 with Rev 22:16.
Rev 22:16 KJV
16: I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the
churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and
morning star.
Jesus is "the morning star"
The NIV makes Satan and Jesus one and the same!
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| User: "Mike Dundee" |
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16 Oct 2006 09:48:36 AM |
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"r m" <rm@hotmailDOTcom> wrote in message
news:453399e5$1$17211$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com> wrote in message
news:qsbYg.14682$e66.988@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
The NIV was originally published by Zondervan, the complete NIV Bible
being released in 1978.
In 1988 Zondervan became a division of HarperCollins Publishers, which
still publishes the NIV, the most recent release being the complete
version of Today's New International Version (TNIV) in 2005.
What other books of interest does HarperCollins publish?
"The Joy of Gay Sex"
http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780060012748
"The Satanic Bible" by Anton La Vey
http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780380015399
Dr. Virginia Mollenkott, one of fourteen literary critics on the NIV
translation committee, is a professed lesbian.
Dr. Mollenkott was quoted in the Episcopal publication Witness (June
1991) as saying my lesbianism has always been a part of me...
Another MAJOR problem...
The KJV... Isaiah 14:12
12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how
art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
NIV Isaiah 14:12
How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You
have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
Significance? Satan is changed from Lucifer to the "morning star"
So what's wrong with that?
Lucifer in Isa 14:12 (LXX) is the same expression as "day star" in 2Pet
1:19 but is completely different in Rev 22:16.
I wouldn't necessarily correlate Isa 14:12 with Rev 22:16.
Let's have a look
Isa 14:12
12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art
thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
2 Peter 1:
19: We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye
take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn,
and the day star arise in your hearts:
I don't see the correlation between Isa 14:12 and 2 Peter 1:19
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| User: "r m rm@hotmailDOTcom" |
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16 Oct 2006 10:14:38 AM |
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"Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com> wrote in message
news:8ZMYg.18071$7I1.3158@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
"r m" <rm@hotmailDOTcom> wrote in message
news:453399e5$1$17211$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com> wrote in message
news:qsbYg.14682$e66.988@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
The NIV was originally published by Zondervan, the complete NIV Bible
being released in 1978.
In 1988 Zondervan became a division of HarperCollins Publishers, which
still publishes the NIV, the most recent release being the complete
version of Today's New International Version (TNIV) in 2005.
What other books of interest does HarperCollins publish?
"The Joy of Gay Sex"
http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780060012748
"The Satanic Bible" by Anton La Vey
http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780380015399
Dr. Virginia Mollenkott, one of fourteen literary critics on the NIV
translation committee, is a professed lesbian.
Dr. Mollenkott was quoted in the Episcopal publication Witness (June
1991) as saying my lesbianism has always been a part of me...
Another MAJOR problem...
The KJV... Isaiah 14:12
12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
how
art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
NIV Isaiah 14:12
How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You
have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
Significance? Satan is changed from Lucifer to the "morning star"
So what's wrong with that?
Lucifer in Isa 14:12 (LXX) is the same expression as "day star" in 2Pet
1:19 but is completely different in Rev 22:16.
I wouldn't necessarily correlate Isa 14:12 with Rev 22:16.
Let's have a look
Isa 14:12
12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how
art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
2 Peter 1:
19: We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that
ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day
dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
I don't see the correlation between Isa 14:12 and 2 Peter 1:19
Both Isa 14:12 and 2Pet 1:19 have phosphoros for Lucifer and 'day star'
respectively (not to mention that KJV marginal notes also allows for 'day
star' also for Isa 14:12.)
Rev 22:16 uses a longer expression, aster ho lampros ho proinos [the bright
light of the morning].
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| User: "r m rm@hotmailDOTcom" |
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15 Oct 2006 03:11:25 AM |
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"Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com> wrote in message
news:qsbYg.14682$e66.988@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
The NIV was originally published by Zondervan, the complete NIV Bible
being released in 1978.
In 1988 Zondervan became a division of HarperCollins Publishers, which
still publishes the NIV, the most recent release being the complete
version of Today's New International Version (TNIV) in 2005.
What other books of interest does HarperCollins publish?
"The Joy of Gay Sex"
http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780060012748
"The Satanic Bible" by Anton La Vey
http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780380015399
Dr. Virginia Mollenkott, one of fourteen literary critics on the NIV
translation committee, is a professed lesbian.
Dr. Mollenkott was quoted in the Episcopal publication Witness (June
1991) as saying my lesbianism has always been a part of me...
Another MAJOR problem...
The KJV... Isaiah 14:12
12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how
art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
KJV marginal notes adds: "Or, O day-starre".
http://tinyurl.com/y83w4g
Interlinear for that verse http://tinyurl.com/yecyfl doesn't quite name
Lucifer.
I.e. not straight forward to translate.
Cheers.
NIV Isaiah 14:12
How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You
have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
Significance? Satan is changed from Lucifer to the "morning star"
So what's wrong with that?
Rev 22:16 KJV
16: I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the
churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and
morning star.
Jesus is "the morning star"
The NIV makes Satan and Jesus one and the same!
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| User: "Lisa Ruby" |
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15 Oct 2006 01:13:03 AM |
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Mike Dundee wrote:
The NIV was originally published by Zondervan, the complete NIV Bible being
released in 1978.
In 1988 Zondervan became a division of HarperCollins Publishers, which still
publishes the NIV, the most recent release being the complete version of
Today's New International Version (TNIV) in 2005.
What other books of interest does HarperCollins publish?
"The Joy of Gay Sex"
http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780060012748
"The Satanic Bible" by Anton La Vey
http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780380015399
Dr. Virginia Mollenkott, one of fourteen literary critics on the NIV
translation committee, is a professed lesbian.
Dr. Mollenkott was quoted in the Episcopal publication Witness (June 1991)
as saying my lesbianism has always been a part of me...
Another MAJOR problem...
The KJV... Isaiah 14:12
12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art
thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
NIV Isaiah 14:12
How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have
been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
Significance? Satan is changed from Lucifer to the "morning star"
So what's wrong with that?
Rev 22:16 KJV
16: I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the
churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and
morning star.
Jesus is "the morning star"
The NIV makes Satan and Jesus one and the same!
Excellent post. I'm not trying to change the subject, but since you
brought up false doctrine taught in the NIV, I felt I should mention
the Left Behind Series because the authors promoted a doctrine about
homosexuals that is found in the TNIV.
1 Corinthians 6:8-10, TNIV
8 Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your
brothers and sisters.
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of
God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor
adulterers nor male prostitutes nor practicing homosexuals
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor
swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Notice this bible version says that practicing homosexuals will not
inherit the kingdom of God.
"What's the difference between a "homosexual" and a "practicing
homosexual"? Are the TNIV translators implying it's ok to be a
homosexual, just not a "practicing homosexual"? Are the TNIV
translators saying that it's ok for homosexuals to engage in a
"monogamous" homosexual relationship? Just as long as they don't
"practice"? Are the TNIV translators implying that God created
homosexuals?"
Excerpt from: http://www.av1611.org/kjv/tniv_homo.html
The Left Behind authors, Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins implied that
God created homosexuals by presenting the TNIV "practicing
homosexuals" doctrine in their book series:
"I mean it, Verna. If you ever want to talk about this stuff
[meaning Verna's lesbianism] you can come to me."
"With what your religion says about homosexuals, are you kidding?"
"My Bible doesn't differentiate between homosexuals and
heterosexuals, Buck said. "It may call practicing homosexuals sinners,
but it also calls heterosexuals sex outside of marriage sinful."
(Nicolae p. 365)
It is only homosexuals who are sexually active that the Left Behind
authors claim the Bible says are sinners, not homosexuality itself
which includes perverse thoughts, longings, urges, lusts, lifestyle,
friends, etc.
This is the wrong message to send to people who need to understand
exactly what God is requiring them to repent of in order to do works
meet for repentance. Repentance is an inward work reveals itself in
outward behavior.
http://libertytothecaptives.net/left_behind.html
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| User: "Mike Bugal" |
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| Title: Re: NIV...It's roots and more... |
15 Oct 2006 09:00:59 AM |
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"Lisa Ruby" <Commissioned@groupmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160892782.992480.104160@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
"What's the difference between a "homosexual" and a "practicing
homosexual"? Are the TNIV translators implying it's ok to be a
homosexual, just not a "practicing homosexual"? Are the TNIV
translators saying that it's ok for homosexuals to engage in a
"monogamous" homosexual relationship? Just as long as they don't
"practice"? Are the TNIV translators implying that God created
homosexuals?"
Excerpt from: http://www.av1611.org/kjv/tniv_homo.html
Citing anything from this site is like citing Jack Chick as a reliable
authority... they have the same callous disregard for the Truth! I examine
the claims of the KJV Only in an article on our ministry's website:
http://www.hcm2.org/Archives/aberrant/KJVOnly/KJVOnly.htm . I've also noted
that a couple of people in this thread have made a point of saying that they
weren't "KJV Only"... yet don't hesitate to repeat the same false witness
against those brothers and sisters in Christ who worked on the NIV as is
spewn by the KJV Only folks. The same folks have no problem with the
denominational influences exhibited in the work of the KJV's translators
(which I also demonstrate in our article) or the numerous italicized words
that appear in the KJV (meaning words in the text that were not in the
manuscripts that form the Textus Receptus). Odd!
As I state in our article, the workmanship of any translation is not
determined by comparing it to another translation but rather by comparing it
to the manscipts used. The NIV does an accurate job of translating the
manuscipts within the stated purposes of those doing to work: to produce an
readable "thought for thought" translation.
His and Yours,
Mike Bugal
Heartland Christian Ministries
http://www.hcm2.org/
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| User: "Mike Dundee" |
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15 Oct 2006 10:19:41 AM |
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"Mike Bugal" <mjbugal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:varYg.16729$F7.2953@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
"Lisa Ruby" <Commissioned@groupmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160892782.992480.104160@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
"What's the difference between a "homosexual" and a "practicing
homosexual"? Are the TNIV translators implying it's ok to be a
homosexual, just not a "practicing homosexual"? Are the TNIV
translators saying that it's ok for homosexuals to engage in a
"monogamous" homosexual relationship? Just as long as they don't
"practice"? Are the TNIV translators implying that God created
homosexuals?"
Excerpt from: http://www.av1611.org/kjv/tniv_homo.html
Citing anything from this site is like citing Jack Chick as a reliable
authority... they have the same callous disregard for the Truth! I examine
the claims of the KJV Only in an article on our ministry's website:
http://www.hcm2.org/Archives/aberrant/KJVOnly/KJVOnly.htm . I've also
noted that a couple of people in this thread have made a point of saying
that they weren't "KJV Only"... yet don't hesitate to repeat the same
false witness against those brothers and sisters in Christ who worked on
the NIV as is spewn by the KJV Only folks. The same folks have no problem
with the denominational influences exhibited in the work of the KJV's
translators (which I also demonstrate in our article) or the numerous
italicized words that appear in the KJV (meaning words in the text that
were not in the manuscripts that form the Textus Receptus). Odd!
As I state in our article, the workmanship of any translation is not
determined by comparing it to another translation but rather by comparing
it to the manscipts used. The NIV does an accurate job of translating the
manuscipts within the stated purposes of those doing to work: to produce
an readable "thought for thought" translation.
His and Yours,
Mike Bugal
Heartland Christian Ministries
http://www.hcm2.org/
So you endorse the NIV calling Satan the "morning star", a title which was
given to
Jesus in the book of Revelation?
Interesting.
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"Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com> wrote in message
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"Mike Bugal" <mjbugal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Lisa Ruby" <Commissioned@groupmail.com> wrote in message
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"What's the difference between a "homosexual" and a "practicing
homosexual"? Are the TNIV translators implying it's ok to be a
homosexual, just not a "practicing homosexual"? Are the TNIV
translators saying that it's ok for homosexuals to engage in a
"monogamous" homosexual relationship? Just as long as they don't
"practice"? Are the TNIV translators implying that God created
homosexuals?"
Excerpt from: http://www.av1611.org/kjv/tniv_homo.html
Citing anything from this site is like citing Jack Chick as a reliable
authority... they have the same callous disregard for the Truth! I
examine the claims of the KJV Only in an article on our ministry's
website: http://www.hcm2.org/Archives/aberrant/KJVOnly/KJVOnly.htm . I've
also noted that a couple of people in this thread have made a point of
saying that they weren't "KJV Only"... yet don't hesitate to repeat the
same false witness against those brothers and sisters in Christ who
worked on the NIV as is spewn by the KJV Only folks. The same folks have
no problem with the denominational influences exhibited in the work of
the KJV's translators (which I also demonstrate in our article) or the
numerous italicized words that appear in the KJV (meaning words in the
text that were not in the manuscripts that form the Textus Receptus).
Odd!
As I state in our article, the workmanship of any translation is not
determined by comparing it to another translation but rather by comparing
it to the manscipts used. The NIV does an accurate job of translating the
manuscipts within the stated purposes of those doing to work: to produce
an readable "thought for thought" translation.
His and Yours,
Mike Bugal
Heartland Christian Ministries
http://www.hcm2.org/
So you endorse the NIV calling Satan the "morning star", a title which was
given to
Jesus in the book of Revelation?
Interesting.
Willful ignorance of the historical view of Isaiah 14:12 is what I find
"interesting". You wish to bear false witness against brothers and sisters
in Christ by making it look as if no one but the NIV translation committee
EVER translated "heylel" as "morning star". Such is most certainly NOT the
case!
JFB Comment on this verse: Lucifer - "day star." A title truly belonging to
Christ (Rev_22:16), "the bright and morning star," and therefore hereafter
to be assumed by Antichrist. Gesenius, however, renders the Hebrew here as
in Eze_21:12; Zec_11:2,
Strong's on this word (H1966): From H1984 (in the sense of brightness); the
morning star: - lucifer.
ASV 1905 Edition translates this verse: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O
day-star, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, that
didst lay low the nations!"
Hebrew Names Bible: "How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of
the dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, who laid the nations low!"
These are only a few examples from sources covering the last 150 - 200
years. To try to show some evil intent on the part of the NIV committee
because they agree with what other scholars (I know... an evil word to KJV
Only adherents!!) betrays where the true wicked heart lies. As I stated
above, it never ceases to amaze me how the KJV Only/Chickites are willing to
twist facts and smear people all to defend the KJV. If Exodus 20:16 means
nothing to them what difference does it make WHICH translation they ignore??
His and Yours,
Mike Bugal
Heartland Christian Ministries
http://www.hcm2.org/
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"Lisa Ruby" <Commissioned@groupmail.com> wrote in message
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Mike Dundee wrote:
The NIV was originally published by Zondervan, the complete NIV Bible
being
released in 1978.
In 1988 Zondervan became a division of HarperCollins Publishers, which
still
publishes the NIV, the most recent release being the complete version of
Today's New International Version (TNIV) in 2005.
What other books of interest does HarperCollins publish?
"The Joy of Gay Sex"
http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780060012748
"The Satanic Bible" by Anton La Vey
http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780380015399
Dr. Virginia Mollenkott, one of fourteen literary critics on the NIV
translation committee, is a professed lesbian.
Dr. Mollenkott was quoted in the Episcopal publication Witness (June
1991)
as saying my lesbianism has always been a part of me...
Another MAJOR problem...
The KJV... Isaiah 14:12
12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how
art
thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
NIV Isaiah 14:12
How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You
have
been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
Significance? Satan is changed from Lucifer to the "morning star"
So what's wrong with that?
Rev 22:16 KJV
16: I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the
churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and
morning star.
Jesus is "the morning star"
The NIV makes Satan and Jesus one and the same!
Excellent post. I'm not trying to change the subject, but since you
brought up false doctrine taught in the NIV, I felt I should mention
the Left Behind Series because the authors promoted a doctrine about
homosexuals that is found in the TNIV.
1 Corinthians 6:8-10, TNIV
8 Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your
brothers and sisters.
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of
God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor
adulterers nor male prostitutes nor practicing homosexuals
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor
swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Notice this bible version says that practicing homosexuals will not
inherit the kingdom of God.
"What's the difference between a "homosexual" and a "practicing
homosexual"? Are the TNIV translators implying it's ok to be a
homosexual, just not a "practicing homosexual"? Are the TNIV
translators saying that it's ok for homosexuals to engage in a
"monogamous" homosexual relationship? Just as long as they don't
"practice"? Are the TNIV translators implying that God created
homosexuals?"
Excerpt from: http://www.av1611.org/kjv/tniv_homo.html
The Left Behind authors, Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins implied that
God created homosexuals by presenting the TNIV "practicing
homosexuals" doctrine in their book series:
"I mean it, Verna. If you ever want to talk about this stuff
[meaning Verna's lesbianism] you can come to me."
"With what your religion says about homosexuals, are you kidding?"
"My Bible doesn't differentiate between homosexuals and
heterosexuals, Buck said. "It may call practicing homosexuals sinners,
but it also calls heterosexuals sex outside of marriage sinful."
(Nicolae p. 365)
Tim LaHaye's wife, Beverly, is listed as one of the partners of Zondervans
NIV
The list is quite extensive, but when you mentioned La Haye, that jogged
my memory.
Also along the same topic...
The NIV completely eliminates the term sodomite from the Bible.
The word appears five times in the KJV (De 23:17, I Ki 14:24, I Ki 15:12, I
Ki 22:46, and II Ki 23:7).
The first,
DE 23:17 KJV
17: There shall be no ***** of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of
the sons of Israel.
And from the NIV:
17 No Israelite man or woman is to become a shrine prostitute.
It's interesting to note that in the NIV from chapter 15 through the end
of the chapter the online NIV calls this section "Miscellaneous Laws"
It is only homosexuals who are sexually active that the Left Behind
authors claim the Bible says are sinners, not homosexuality itself
which includes perverse thoughts, longings, urges, lusts, lifestyle,
friends, etc.
This is the wrong message to send to people who need to understand
exactly what God is requiring them to repent of in order to do works
meet for repentance. Repentance is an inward work reveals itself in
outward behavior.
http://libertytothecaptives.net/left_behind.html
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15 Oct 2006 05:50:27 PM |
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Mike Dundee wrote:
"Lisa Ruby" <Commissioned@groupmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160892782.992480.104160@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Mike Dundee wrote:
The NIV was originally published by Zondervan, the complete NIV Bible
being
released in 1978.
In 1988 Zondervan became a division of HarperCollins Publishers, which
still
publishes the NIV, the most recent release being the complete version of
Today's New International Version (TNIV) in 2005.
What other books of interest does HarperCollins publish?
"The Joy of Gay Sex"
http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780060012748
"The Satanic Bible" by Anton La Vey
http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780380015399
Dr. Virginia Mollenkott, one of fourteen literary critics on the NIV
translation committee, is a professed lesbian.
Dr. Mollenkott was quoted in the Episcopal publication Witness (June
1991)
as saying my lesbianism has always been a part of me...
Another MAJOR problem...
The KJV... Isaiah 14:12
12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how
art
thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
NIV Isaiah 14:12
How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You
have
been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
Significance? Satan is changed from Lucifer to the "morning star"
So what's wrong with that?
Rev 22:16 KJV
16: I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the
churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and
morning star.
Jesus is "the morning star"
The NIV makes Satan and Jesus one and the same!
Excellent post. I'm not trying to change the subject, but since you
brought up false doctrine taught in the NIV, I felt I should mention
the Left Behind Series because the authors promoted a doctrine about
homosexuals that is found in the TNIV.
1 Corinthians 6:8-10, TNIV
8 Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your
brothers and sisters.
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of
God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor
adulterers nor male prostitutes nor practicing homosexuals
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor
swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Notice this bible version says that practicing homosexuals will not
inherit the kingdom of God.
"What's the difference between a "homosexual" and a "practicing
homosexual"? Are the TNIV translators implying it's ok to be a
homosexual, just not a "practicing homosexual"? Are the TNIV
translators saying that it's ok for homosexuals to engage in a
"monogamous" homosexual relationship? Just as long as they don't
"practice"? Are the TNIV translators implying that God created
homosexuals?"
Excerpt from: http://www.av1611.org/kjv/tniv_homo.html
The Left Behind authors, Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins implied that
God created homosexuals by presenting the TNIV "practicing
homosexuals" doctrine in their book series:
"I mean it, Verna. If you ever want to talk about this stuff
[meaning Verna's lesbianism] you can come to me."
"With what your religion says about homosexuals, are you kidding?"
"My Bible doesn't differentiate between homosexuals and
heterosexuals, Buck said. "It may call practicing homosexuals sinners,
but it also calls heterosexuals sex outside of marriage sinful."
(Nicolae p. 365)
Tim LaHaye's wife, Beverly, is listed as one of the partners of Zondervans
NIV
I was not aware of that, but I am not surprised to learn this.
The list is quite extensive, but when you mentioned La Haye, that jogged
my memory.
Also along the same topic...
The NIV completely eliminates the term sodomite from the Bible.
The word appears five times in the KJV (De 23:17, I Ki 14:24, I Ki 15:12, I
Ki 22:46, and II Ki 23:7).
The first,
DE 23:17 KJV
17: There shall be no ***** of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of
the sons of Israel.
And from the NIV:
17 No Israelite man or woman is to become a shrine prostitute.
Yes, I know. I have been looking into what the various so-called
versions of truth (truth does not have versions) have done with the
word, sodomite. The NKJV uses the words, homosexual (with a footnote
that says catamites!) and sodomites in one verse. This is a very
interesting bit of manipulation.
It's interesting to note that in the NIV from chapter 15 through the end
of the chapter the online NIV calls this section "Miscellaneous Laws"
So the command for an Israelie man or woman not to be a shrine
prostitute (the correct terms are ***** and sodomite) is not worthy of
classification in the sight of the NIV translators! They are amazingly
bold in their agenda and God's people are strongly accountable.
It is only homosexuals who are sexually active that the Left Behind
authors claim the Bible says are sinners, not homosexuality itself
which includes perverse thoughts, longings, urges, lusts, lifestyle,
friends, etc.
This is the wrong message to send to people who need to understand
exactly what God is requiring them to repent of in order to do works
meet for repentance. Repentance is an inward work reveals itself in
outward behavior.
http://libertytothecaptives.net/left_behind.html
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15 Oct 2006 07:17:30 PM |
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"Lisa Ruby" <Commissioned@groupmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160952627.854703.132790@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Mike Dundee wrote:
"Lisa Ruby" <Commissioned@groupmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160892782.992480.104160@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Mike Dundee wrote:
The NIV was originally published by Zondervan, the complete NIV Bible
being
released in 1978.
In 1988 Zondervan became a division of HarperCollins Publishers, which
still
publishes the NIV, the most recent release being the complete version
of
Today's New International Version (TNIV) in 2005.
What other books of interest does HarperCollins publish?
"The Joy of Gay Sex"
http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780060012748
"The Satanic Bible" by Anton La Vey
http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780380015399
Dr. Virginia Mollenkott, one of fourteen literary critics on the NIV
translation committee, is a professed lesbian.
Dr. Mollenkott was quoted in the Episcopal publication Witness (June
1991)
as saying my lesbianism has always been a part of me...
Another MAJOR problem...
The KJV... Isaiah 14:12
12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
how
art
thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
NIV Isaiah 14:12
How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You
have
been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
Significance? Satan is changed from Lucifer to the "morning star"
So what's wrong with that?
Rev 22:16 KJV
16: I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in
the
churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and
morning star.
Jesus is "the morning star"
The NIV makes Satan and Jesus one and the same!
Excellent post. I'm not trying to change the subject, but since you
brought up false doctrine taught in the NIV, I felt I should mention
the Left Behind Series because the authors promoted a doctrine about
homosexuals that is found in the TNIV.
1 Corinthians 6:8-10, TNIV
8 Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your
brothers and sisters.
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of
God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor
adulterers nor male prostitutes nor practicing homosexuals
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor
swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Notice this bible version says that practicing homosexuals will not
inherit the kingdom of God.
"What's the difference between a "homosexual" and a "practicing
homosexual"? Are the TNIV translators implying it's ok to be a
homosexual, just not a "practicing homosexual"? Are the TNIV
translators saying that it's ok for homosexuals to engage in a
"monogamous" homosexual relationship? Just as long as they don't
"practice"? Are the TNIV translators implying that God created
homosexuals?"
Excerpt from: http://www.av1611.org/kjv/tniv_homo.html
The Left Behind authors, Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins implied that
God created homosexuals by presenting the TNIV "practicing
homosexuals" doctrine in their book series:
"I mean it, Verna. If you ever want to talk about this stuff
[meaning Verna's lesbianism] you can come to me."
"With what your religion says about homosexuals, are you kidding?"
"My Bible doesn't differentiate between homosexuals and
heterosexuals, Buck said. "It may call practicing homosexuals sinners,
but it also calls heterosexuals sex outside of marriage sinful."
(Nicolae p. 365)
Tim LaHaye's wife, Beverly, is listed as one of the partners of
Zondervans
NIV
I was not aware of that, but I am not surprised to learn this.
The list is quite extensive, but when you mentioned La Haye, that jogged
my memory.
Also along the same topic...
The NIV completely eliminates the term sodomite from the Bible.
The word appears five times in the KJV (De 23:17, I Ki 14:24, I Ki 15:12,
I
Ki 22:46, and II Ki 23:7).
The first,
DE 23:17 KJV
17: There shall be no ***** of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of
the sons of Israel.
And from the NIV:
17 No Israelite man or woman is to become a shrine prostitute.
Yes, I know. I have been looking into what the various so-called
versions of truth (truth does not have versions) have done with the
word, sodomite. The NKJV uses the words, homosexual (with a footnote
that says catamites!) and sodomites in one verse. This is a very
interesting bit of manipulation.
It's interesting to note that in the NIV from chapter 15 through the end
of the chapter the online NIV calls this section "Miscellaneous Laws"
So the command for an Israelie man or woman not to be a shrine
prostitute (the correct terms are ***** and sodomite) is not worthy of
classification in the sight of the NIV translators! They are amazingly
bold in their agenda and God's people are strongly accountable.
Yes they are.
In the last post I made regarding the NIV, I called it a "garbage"
translation.
People were foaming at the mouth with their responses to that.
I am a "tell it like it is" kind of guy, and the more I dig, the more I
believe
that garbage comment was warranted.
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15 Oct 2006 08:42:18 PM |
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On 15 Oct 2006 15:50:27 -0700, while bungee jumping, "Lisa
Ruby" <Commissioned@groupmail.com> shouted thusly:
The first,
DE 23:17 KJV
17: There shall be no ***** of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of
the sons of Israel.
And from the NIV:
17 No Israelite man or woman is to become a shrine prostitute.
Yes, I know. I have been looking into what the various so-called
versions of truth (truth does not have versions) have done with the
word, sodomite. The NKJV uses the words, homosexual (with a footnote
that says catamites!) and sodomites in one verse. This is a very
interesting bit of manipulation.
A sodomite in that passage, is typically understood to be
a male temple prostitute. Not the Jewish Temple, mind
you, but a pagan one. Witness two passages together:
Deuteronomy 23:17-18
17) There shall be no ***** of the daughters of Israel,
nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.
18) Thou shalt not bring the hire of a *****, or the price
of a dog, into the house of the Lord thy God for any vow:
for even both these are abomination unto the Lord thy God.
The context here seems to be "sex for hire".
It's interesting to note that in the NIV from chapter 15 through the end
of the chapter the online NIV calls this section "Miscellaneous Laws"
So the command for an Israelie man or woman not to be a shrine
prostitute (the correct terms are ***** and sodomite) is not worthy of
classification in the sight of the NIV translators! They are amazingly
bold in their agenda and God's people are strongly accountable.
***** refers to the woman, sodomite to the man. The pagan
temples typically had male temple prostitutes.
--
Giant Waffle
<{{{><
My heart rejoices in the Lord; My horn is exalted in the Lord.
I smile at my enemies, because I rejoice in Your salvation.
- 1 Samuel 2:1
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| User: "Mike Dundee" |
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15 Oct 2006 09:34:22 PM |
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"Giant Waffle" <_giantwaffle_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On 15 Oct 2006 15:50:27 -0700, while bungee jumping, "Lisa
Ruby" <Commissioned@groupmail.com> shouted thusly:
The first,
DE 23:17 KJV
17: There shall be no ***** of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite
of
the sons of Israel.
And from the NIV:
17 No Israelite man or woman is to become a shrine prostitute.
Yes, I know. I have been looking into what the various so-called
versions of truth (truth does not have versions) have done with the
word, sodomite. The NKJV uses the words, homosexual (with a footnote
that says catamites!) and sodomites in one verse. This is a very
interesting bit of manipulation.
A sodomite in that passage, is typically understood to be
a male temple prostitute. Not the Jewish Temple, mind
you, but a pagan one. Witness two passages together:
Deuteronomy 23:17-18
17) There shall be no ***** of the daughters of Israel,
nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.
18) Thou shalt not bring the hire of a *****, or the price
of a dog, into the house of the Lord thy God for any vow:
for even both these are abomination unto the Lord thy God.
The context here seems to be "sex for hire".
It's interesting to note that in the NIV from chapter 15 through the end
of the chapter the online NIV calls this section "Miscellaneous Laws"
So the command for an Israelie man or woman not to be a shrine
prostitute (the correct terms are ***** and sodomite) is not worthy of
classification in the sight of the NIV translators! They are amazingly
bold in their agenda and God's people are strongly accountable.
***** refers to the woman, sodomite to the man. The pagan
temples typically had male temple prostitutes.
Which are sodomites.
You want to say it's about "sex for hire"
When you look at all the passages that talk about whores and sodomites,
both are despised by God.
While there may have been "male temple prostitutes", the Scriptures are
clear about homosexuality.
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| User: "¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯ -- Rx for RRR Cults Loathsome Agendas: Extinction!" |
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15 Oct 2006 01:54:09 AM |
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Mike Dundee wrote:
The NIV was originally published by Zondervan, the complete
NIV Bible being released in 1978.
In 1988 Zondervan became a division of HarperCollins Publishers,
which still publishes the NIV, the most recent release being the
complete version of Today's New International Version (TNIV) in 2005.
Amazon.com sales ranking: 579,202 down from #1.
What other books of interest does HarperCollins publish?
"The Joy of Gay Sex"
Amazon.com sales ranking: 107,846 down from #1.
http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780060012748
"The Satanic Bible" by Anton La Vey
Amazon.com sales ranking: 2,583 down from #1.
http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780380015399
Dr. Virginia Mollenkott, one of fourteen literary critics on the NIV
translation committee, is a professed lesbian.
Dr. Mollenkott was quoted in the Episcopal publication Witness (June
1991) as saying my lesbianism has always been a part of me...
It sounds like you're trying to indict Harper Collins for being
eclectic as a book publisher. It would be worthwhile for you to
be aware that MOST successful book publishers -- myself included
(Xanadu Enterprises; you can find us in Amazon, etc.) -- are quite
interested in books that will appeal to readers and therefore will
generate good sales volume. No matter WHAT the topic or genre.
So -- NO problem. And... so someone happens to be gay?
So what? There's nothing relevant about a person's sexual
orientation, any more than there's anything relevant about their
handedness, eye, or skin color. They're all simply *people*.
You need to be more open-minded.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
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One of the world's *most* enjoyable jobs!
New edition to be released next month! www.RoadRat.com
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I have to say, I've never seen anyone reject a bible version solely because
of the *other* books put out by the publisher. What a strange world some
people do live in, eh?
Jani
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas:
Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:m3l3j29g1dn1pmkfqt4939btma51f860o7@4ax.com...
Mike Dundee wrote:
The NIV was originally published by Zondervan, the complete
NIV Bible being released in 1978.
In 1988 Zondervan became a division of HarperCollins Publishers,
which still publishes the NIV, the most recent release being the
complete version of Today's New International Version (TNIV) in 2005.
Amazon.com sales ranking: 579,202 down from #1.
What other books of interest does HarperCollins publish?
"The Joy of Gay Sex"
Amazon.com sales ranking: 107,846 down from #1.
http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780060012748
"The Satanic Bible" by Anton La Vey
Amazon.com sales ranking: 2,583 down from #1.
http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780380015399
Dr. Virginia Mollenkott, one of fourteen literary critics on the NIV
translation committee, is a professed lesbian.
Dr. Mollenkott was quoted in the Episcopal publication Witness (June
1991) as saying my lesbianism has always been a part of me...
It sounds like you're trying to indict Harper Collins for being
eclectic as a book publisher. It would be worthwhile for you to
be aware that MOST successful book publishers -- myself included
(Xanadu Enterprises; you can find us in Amazon, etc.) -- are quite
interested in books that will appeal to readers and therefore will
generate good sales volume. No matter WHAT the topic or genre.
So -- NO problem. And... so someone happens to be gay?
So what? There's nothing relevant about a person's sexual
orientation, any more than there's anything relevant about their
handedness, eye, or skin color. They're all simply *people*.
You need to be more open-minded.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
--
One of the world's *most* enjoyable jobs!
New edition to be released next month! www.RoadRat.com
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| Title: Re: NIV...It's roots and more... |
15 Oct 2006 07:57:47 AM |
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"Jani" <jani@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:BsqdnQnqovFQk6_YRVnytQ@pipex.net...
I have to say, I've never seen anyone reject a bible version solely because
of the *other* books put out by the publisher. What a strange world some
people do live in, eh?
Believe me ma'am,
WHO the publisher is is just the tip of the iceberg with this lousy
translation.
I will be posting more.
Jani
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas:
Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:m3l3j29g1dn1pmkfqt4939btma51f860o7@4ax.com...
Mike Dundee wrote:
The NIV was originally published by Zondervan, the complete
NIV Bible being released in 1978.
In 1988 Zondervan became a division of HarperCollins Publishers,
which still publishes the NIV, the most recent release being the
complete version of Today's New International Version (TNIV) in 2005.
Amazon.com sales ranking: 579,202 down from #1.
What other books of interest does HarperCollins publish?
"The Joy of Gay Sex"
Amazon.com sales ranking: 107,846 down from #1.
http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780060012748
"The Satanic Bible" by Anton La Vey
Amazon.com sales ranking: 2,583 down from #1.
http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780380015399
Dr. Virginia Mollenkott, one of fourteen literary critics on the NIV
translation committee, is a professed lesbian.
Dr. Mollenkott was quoted in the Episcopal publication Witness (June
1991) as saying my lesbianism has always been a part of me...
It sounds like you're trying to indict Harper Collins for being
eclectic as a book publisher. It would be worthwhile for you to
be aware that MOST successful book publishers -- myself included
(Xanadu Enterprises; you can find us in Amazon, etc.) -- are quite
interested in books that will appeal to readers and therefore will
generate good sales volume. No matter WHAT the topic or genre.
So -- NO problem. And... so someone happens to be gay?
So what? There's nothing relevant about a person's sexual
orientation, any more than there's anything relevant about their
handedness, eye, or skin color. They're all simply *people*.
You need to be more open-minded.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
--
One of the world's *most* enjoyable jobs!
New edition to be released next month! www.RoadRat.com
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| User: "john w" |
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| Title: Re: NIV...It's roots and more... |
15 Oct 2006 10:04:25 AM |
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x-no-archive: yes
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 12:57:47 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
"Jani" <jani@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:BsqdnQnqovFQk6_YRVnytQ@pipex.net...
I have to say, I've never seen anyone reject a bible version solely because
of the *other* books put out by the publisher. What a strange world some
people do live in, eh?
Believe me ma'am,
WHO the publisher is is just the tip of the iceberg with this lousy
translation.
I will be posting more.
Why bother? I doubt seriously if anyone is going to take you
seriously.
;0)
j w
Jani
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas:
Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:m3l3j29g1dn1pmkfqt4939btma51f860o7@4ax.com...
Mike Dundee wrote:
The NIV was originally published by Zondervan, the complete
NIV Bible being released in 1978.
In 1988 Zondervan became a division of HarperCollins Publishers,
which still publishes the NIV, the most recent release being the
complete version of Today's New International Version (TNIV) in 2005.
Amazon.com sales ranking: 579,202 down from #1.
What other books of interest does HarperCollins publish?
"The Joy of Gay Sex"
Amazon.com sales ranking: 107,846 down from #1.
http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780060012748
"The Satanic Bible" by Anton La Vey
Amazon.com sales ranking: 2,583 down from #1.
http://www.harpercollins.com/book/index.aspx?isbn=9780380015399
Dr. Virginia Mollenkott, one of fourteen literary critics on the NIV
translation committee, is a professed lesbian.
Dr. Mollenkott was quoted in the Episcopal publication Witness (June
1991) as saying my lesbianism has always been a part of me...
It sounds like you're trying to indict Harper Collins for being
eclectic as a book publisher. It would be worthwhile for you to
be aware that MOST successful book publishers -- myself included
(Xanadu Enterprises; you can find us in Amazon, etc.) -- are quite
interested in books that will appeal to readers and therefore will
generate good sales volume. No matter WHAT the topic or genre.
So -- NO problem. And... so someone happens to be gay?
So what? There's nothing relevant about a person's sexual
orientation, any more than there's anything relevant about their
handedness, eye, or skin color. They're all simply *people*.
You need to be more open-minded.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
--
One of the world's *most* enjoyable jobs!
New edition to be released next month! www.RoadRat.com
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: NIV...It's roots and more... |
16 Oct 2006 09:10:21 AM |
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"john w @yoo.how>" <johnw<no> wrote in message
news:nej4j2lmig0pnvak7cidd498n41d0f4ohs@4ax.com...
x-no-archive: yes
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 12:57:47 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
"Jani" <jani@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:BsqdnQnqovFQk6_YRVnytQ@pipex.net...
I have to say, I've never seen anyone reject a bible version solely
because
of the *other* books put out by the publisher. What a strange world some
people do live in, eh?
Believe me ma'am,
WHO the publisher is is just the tip of the iceberg with this lousy
translation.
I will be posting more.
Why bother? I doubt seriously if anyone is going to take you
seriously.
And you think anyone takes you seriously? Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "" |
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15 Oct 2006 10:14:14 AM |
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:04:25 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yoo.how> wrote:
Why bother? I doubt seriously if anyone is going to take you
seriously.
NO ONE in their right mind takes 'you' seriously, weatherless.
At least Mike is a decent person.
He posts without filth and gutter mouth.
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| User: "ujb" |
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15 Oct 2006 12:14:19 PM |
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john w <johnw wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 12:57:47 GMT, "Mike Dundee" <none@nunya.com>
wrote:
© 2006 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of this
article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of the
author
"Jani" <jani@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:BsqdnQnqovFQk6_YRVnytQ@pipex.net...
I have to say, I've never seen anyone reject a bible version solely because
of the *other* books put out by the publisher. What a strange world some
people do live in, eh?
Believe me ma'am,
WHO the publisher is is just the tip of the iceberg with this lousy
translation.
I will be posting more.
Why bother? I doubt seriously if anyone is going to take you
seriously.
His name isn't weatherly, he's not known as the 'scrambled one'!
ujb
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