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"old man joe" |
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02 Feb 2008 04:55:17 PM |
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Swallowing Evolution hook, line and sinker... |
the Evolutionists, hard as they try, can not come up with reasonable
answer's to the most fundamental questions about Evolution that even
an Evolutionist must ask...
such as... where did the mass of matter come from you say exploded
into our perfectly formed universe as we have it today ?
such as... how did none living things initiate life in themselves ?
such as... how did life not only initiate life in itself but how did
it do it from absolute sterility ?
as per usual... ' science ' doesn't explain scientifically where the
matter came from that Big Banged it's way into our universe as we know
it today..
as per usual... ' science ' doesn't explain scientifically how living
things initiated life in itself way back when... they must answer how
life begot itself from absolute sterility... but they won't because
they can't.
to accept this ' science ' you must swallow hook, line and sinker all
the unexplained parts they simply dont answer... only to arrive at
Atheism via Gnosticism.
the Evolutionists offer the Creationists exactly this... here we have
a skyscraper and we started construction on the 5th floor...
the Creationists question the Evolutionists saying... " but where's
the foundation " ?
the Evolutionists ( pre-supposing one will answer honestly ) answer...
" well, there is no foundation. "
using the Evolutionists form of thinking another way... i doubt an
Evolutionist would get on a bullet train which he know passes over a
bridge missing some tracks.
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just for the record... the Big Bang theory is a Roman Catholic priests
concoction... see " History "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_big_bang
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| User: "Tiktaalik" |
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| Title: What old man jerkoff would love to swallow................ |
02 Feb 2008 09:30:17 PM |
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On Feb 2, 10:55=A0pm, old man jerkoff <n...@home.com> wailed:
=2E...............the cumming of the Lord.
Wholesale idiocy snipped.
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| User: "Steven J." |
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| Title: Re: Swallowing Evolution hook, line and sinker... |
03 Feb 2008 12:57:19 AM |
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On Feb 2, 4:55=A0pm, old man joe <n...@home.com> wrote:
the Evolutionists, hard as they try, can not come up with reasonable
answer's to the most fundamental questions about Evolution that even
an Evolutionist must ask...
such as... where did the mass of matter come from you say exploded
into our perfectly formed universe as we have it today ?
The answer I like best is that it's an accounting trick. Inflationary
expansion of space in the earliest moments of the universe created an
immense negative energy, which could only be balanced by the
appearance of an exactly equal amount of positive energy (some of it
in the form of matter), so that the net energy of the universe remains
zero.
such as... how did none living things initiate life in themselves ?
We don't know. And neither do you. On the other hand, investigating
naturalistic possibilities is a lot more promising than setting up
your test tubes and seeing if a miracle creates life in them.
such as... how did life not only initiate life in itself but how did
it do it from absolute sterility ?
You mean, how did life start from originally lifeless conditions?
Under what other conditions could it have started?
as per usual... ' science ' doesn't explain scientifically where the
matter came from that Big Banged it's way into our universe as we know
it today..
Evolutionary theory doesn't depend on the Big Bang. Evolution would
work equally well in a universe that had always existed, or one that
came into existence through some process that didn't involve expansion
from a small, hot beginning. Conversely, old-earth creationists
accept the Big Bang but reject evolution; this rejection of common
descent contradicts evidence relevant to biology but not evidence
relevant only to cosmology.
as per usual... ' science ' doesn't explain scientifically how living
things initiated life in itself way back when... they must answer how
life begot itself from absolute sterility... but they won't because
they can't.
This is one of the things that separates scientists from creationists,
of course: the fact that they can't answer a question actually
prevents them from doing so. Creationists are entirely unhindered by
their own ignorance and incompetence when they blithely set forth
their creation scenarios.
to accept this ' science ' you must swallow hook, line and sinker all
the unexplained parts they simply dont answer... only to arrive at
Atheism via Gnosticism.
Evolution doesn't depend on where life comes from; for evolutionary
theory itself, it is a sufficient foundation that life has existed on
this planet for at least 3.8 billion years. How it got here is
another subject for another theory. Note that evolution takes place,
right now, all over the globe, as it has for a few billion years now;
just as one can study, say, evolution within cichlid fishes without
worrying about where cichlid fishes came from, one can study the
evolution of life in general without worrying about where it came
from.
the Evolutionists offer the Creationists exactly this... =A0here we have
a skyscraper and we started construction on the 5th floor...
This is, I think, a poor analogy: it's more like a giant jigsaw
puzzle, and we have a couple of corners and part of the middle put
together, but the rest of the puzzle is still in pieces. That does
not prevent us from making out the picture on the parts that have been
assembled. The creationists, for their part, having no idea how to
build a skyscraper, are offering us a really nice deal on the
Brooklyn Bridge.
the Creationists question the Evolutionists saying... " but where's
the foundation " ?
It's such an inconvenience when one cannot simply invoke magic as an
"explanation."
the Evolutionists ( pre-supposing one will answer honestly ) answer...
" well, there is no foundation. "
That would be rather presumptious, don't you think? We haven't
assembled that part of the puzzle, and yet you would have us presume
to describe exactly what's in it (or not in it, as the case might
be)?
using the Evolutionists form of thinking another way... i doubt an
Evolutionist would get on a bullet train which he know passes over a
bridge missing some tracks.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0************************************************
just for the record... the Big Bang theory is a Roman Catholic priests
concoction... see " History "
As long as makes falsifiable predictions that are confirmed by
experiment, science doesn't care if it was invented by a Catholic
priest, an alcoholic orangutan, or even a Calvinist nutjob like
yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_big_bang
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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| Title: Re: Swallowing Evolution hook, line and sinker... |
02 Feb 2008 11:48:19 PM |
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old man joe <not@home.com> wrote in
news:b6t9q35go7lf6fvj9t36svubad1n8co24m@4ax.com:
the Evolutionists, hard as they try, can not come up with reasonable
answer's to the most fundamental questions about Evolution that even
an Evolutionist must ask...
such as... where did the mass of matter come from you say exploded
into our perfectly formed universe as we have it today ?
Near as I can tell, it didn't come from any PLACE and didn't explode.
Instead, space time begin in an infintely hot, infinitely dense
singularity which expands. Since the universe at all times during this
expansion contains all the space time and matter there is, no explosion
(of matter into any existing space) is in evidence.
such as... how did none living things initiate life in themselves ?
Life is chemistry. Some chemistry is self-replicating and evolves.
such as... how did life not only initiate life in itself but how did
it do it from absolute sterility ?
When the universe cooled enough for covalent chemical bonds between
atoms, then they formed.
as per usual... ' science ' doesn't explain scientifically where the
matter came from that Big Banged it's way into our universe as we know
it today..
That's because there is no "where" involved.
as per usual... ' science ' doesn't explain scientifically how living
things initiated life in itself way back when... they must answer how
life begot itself from absolute sterility... but they won't because
they can't.
We don't know the exact pathways, but we have some testable hypotheses.
to accept this ' science ' you must swallow hook, line and sinker all
the unexplained parts they simply dont answer... only to arrive at
Atheism via Gnosticism.
You're just lying now to protect your cult's evil agenda.
the Evolutionists offer the Creationists exactly this... here we have
a skyscraper and we started construction on the 5th floor...
Nonsense. We don't know how gravit came into being either. According to
your debate style here, that means we should not believe that things
fall. I invite you to test your disbeliuef in falling at a bridge,
skyscraper of cliff of your choice.
the Creationists question the Evolutionists saying... " but where's
the foundation " ?
No they don't. They make up stupid straw man arguments like the one
you're giving us here and then pretend to themselves that the bogeyman
has been vanquished. And what exactlt IS that bogeyman? Why it’s the
observation that humans, as part of nature, are subject to natural law.
the Evolutionists ( pre-supposing one will answer honestly ) answer...
" well, there is no foundation. "
There is a lot MORE foundation than there is for any of your misbegotten
misinterpretations of Genesis.
using the Evolutionists form of thinking another way... i doubt an
Evolutionist would get on a bullet train which he know passes over a
bridge missing some tracks.
Yet a creationist will insist that there is no train unless we know where
and when it started.
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just for the record... the Big Bang theory is a Roman Catholic priests
concoction... see " History "
Just for the record, it's a logical deduction from Hubble's observations
and Einstein's work. And your not-too-subtle attempt at argumentum ad
hominem is noted. Perhaps you think your target audience is heavily
weighted with anti-catholic bigots. Are you an anti-catholic bigot?
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
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| User: "Mitchell Holman" |
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| Title: Re: Swallowing Evolution hook, line and sinker... |
03 Feb 2008 03:47:44 PM |
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old man joe <not@home.com> wrote in news:b6t9q35go7lf6fvj9t36svubad1n8co24m@
4ax.com:
the Evolutionists, hard as they try, can not come up with reasonable
answer's to the most fundamental questions about Evolution that even
an Evolutionist must ask...
such as... where did the mass of matter come from you say exploded
into our perfectly formed universe as we have it today ?
such as... how did none living things initiate life in themselves ?
such as... how did life not only initiate life in itself but how did
it do it from absolute sterility ?
And your answers to your questions are...........?
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| User: "Elmer" |
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| Title: Re: Swallowing Evolution hook, line and sinker... |
02 Feb 2008 06:33:01 PM |
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old man joe wrote:
the Evolutionists, hard as they try, can not come up with reasonable
answer's to the most fundamental questions about Evolution that even
an Evolutionist must ask...
such as... where did the mass of matter come from you say exploded
into our perfectly formed universe as we have it today ?
Since evolution is about the heritable genetic change in reproducing
populations over time, what does this have to do with it?
such as... how did none living things initiate life in themselves ?
It did. No question.
such as... how did life not only initiate life in itself but how did
it do it from absolute sterility ?
It did, no question.
as per usual... ' science ' doesn't explain scientifically where the
matter came from that Big Banged it's way into our universe as we know
it today..
It can't. Science cannot say anything about what there was before the BB.
as per usual... ' science ' doesn't explain scientifically how living
things initiated life in itself way back when... they must answer how
life begot itself from absolute sterility... but they won't because
they can't.
Of course they can. I can give you a list of citations.
to accept this ' science ' you must swallow hook, line and sinker all
the unexplained parts they simply dont answer... only to arrive at
Atheism via Gnosticism.
OK
the Evolutionists offer the Creationists exactly this... here we have
a skyscraper and we started construction on the 5th floor...
Really? They do? Please give us a citation where this is stated.
the Creationists question the Evolutionists saying... " but where's
the foundation " ?
the Evolutionists ( pre-supposing one will answer honestly ) answer...
" well, there is no foundation. "
What "foundation" are you looking for?
using the Evolutionists form of thinking another way... i doubt an
Evolutionist would get on a bullet train which he know passes over a
bridge missing some tracks.
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Why would anyone?
just for the record... the Big Bang theory is a Roman Catholic priests
concoction... see " History "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_big_bang
So what? This has nothing to do with whether it is right or not.
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| User: "Jamffer" |
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| Title: Re: Swallowing Evolution hook, line and sinker... |
04 Feb 2008 02:52:29 PM |
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old man joe wrote:
the Evolutionists, hard as they try, can not come up with reasonable
answer's to the most fundamental questions about Evolution that even
an Evolutionist must ask...
such as... where did the mass of matter come from you say exploded
into our perfectly formed universe as we have it today ?
Forever is (forever past), stuff has always been.
Small minds, have small thoughts.
A baby sees their crib as their universe.
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| User: "El Guapo" |
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| Title: Re: Swallowing Evolution hook, line and sinker... |
02 Feb 2008 07:43:03 PM |
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testament the competency of OMJoe...
an Evolutionist must ask...
such as... where did the mass of matter come from you say exploded
into our perfectly formed universe as we have it today ?
Nothing to do with evolution
such as... how did none living things initiate life in themselves ?
Nothing to do with evolution
such as... how did life not only initiate life in itself but how did
it do it from absolute sterility ?
Are stars sterile? They replicate. Its a matter of replication that
leads to modern sterility.
as per usual... ' science ' doesn't explain scientifically where the
matter came from that Big Banged it's way into our universe as we know
it today..
Nothing to do with evolution.
Matter and energy are interrelated. Thus, there are explanations...
such as a black hole spawning a universe on the reverse side, but they
have yet to be validated. I would enlighten you on their details but
since you have no real interest in learning and only sniping, I see no
need.
as per usual... ' science ' doesn't explain scientifically how living
things initiated life in itself way back when... they must answer how
life begot itself from absolute sterility... but they won't because
they can't.
Same question as before. Same answer: nothing to do with evolution.
to accept this ' science ' you must swallow hook, line and sinker all
the unexplained parts they simply dont answer... only to arrive at
Atheism via Gnosticism.
Gnosticism? Ha ha... do you know what that means? It is obvious why
you don't accept science because you don't know anything about it. You
misrepresent it, distort it, and sadly, try to propagate your
distortions...
the Evolutionists offer the Creationists exactly this... here we have
a skyscraper and we started construction on the 5th floor...
the Creationists question the Evolutionists saying... " but where's
the foundation " ?
the Evolutionists ( pre-supposing one will answer honestly ) answer...
" well, there is no foundation. "
using the Evolutionists form of thinking another way... i doubt an
Evolutionist would get on a bullet train which he know passes over a
bridge missing some tracks.
What an excellent example of how creationists try to create analogies
in order to persuade people - even when the analogy is completely
inaccurate, rudimentary, distorted, etc. A nice strawman for those not
knowledgeable enough to see the comical distortions and ignorance...
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just for the record... the Big Bang theory is a Roman Catholic priests
concoction... see " History "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_big_bang
Nice.... slam the catholics while finally mentioning the big bang,
which is a different theory than evolution. Thanks for playing...
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