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07 Sep 2003 02:58:40 PM |
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Talk.origins banned subject: Creative day IV |
Fourth "Day"
"'Let luminaries come to be in the expanse of the heavens to make a
division between the day and the night; and they must serve as signs and for
seasons and for days and years. And they must serve as luminaries in the
expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth.' And it came to be so. And
God proceeded to make the two great luminaries, the greater luminary for
dominating the day and the lesser luminary for dominating the night, and
also the stars."-Genesis 1:14-16.
Previously, on the first "day," the expression "Let light come to be" was
used. The Hebrew word there used for "light" is 'ohr, meaning light in a
general sense. But on the fourth "day," the Hebrew word changes to ma·'ohr´,
which means the source of the light. Rotherham, in a footnote on
"Luminaries" in the Emphasised Bible, says: "In ver. 3, 'ôr ['ohr], light
diffused." Then he goes on to show that the Hebrew word ma·'ohr´ in verse 14
means something "affording light." On the first "day" diffused light
evidently penetrated the swaddling bands, but the sources of that light
could not have been seen by an earthly observer because of the cloud layers
still enveloping the earth. Now, on this fourth "day," things apparently
changed.
An atmosphere initially rich in carbon dioxide may have caused an
earth-wide hot climate. But the lush growth of vegetation during the third
and fourth creative periods would absorb some of this heat-retaining blanket
of carbon dioxide. The vegetation, in turn, would release oxygen-a
requirement for animal life.-Psalm 136:7-9.
Now, had there been an earthly observer, he would be able to discern the
sun, moon and stars, which would "serve as signs and for seasons and for
days and years." (Genesis 1:14) The moon would indicate the passing of lunar
months, and the sun the passing of solar years. The seasons that now "came
to be" on this fourth "day" would no doubt have been much milder than they
became later on.-Genesis 1:15; 8:20-22.
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| User: "Ole Madsen Maaseiah[SNABEL]paradis.tdcadsl.dk" |
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07 Sep 2003 03:13:18 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote in message
news:Q5M6b.3860632$mA4.531030@news.easynews.com...
Fourth "Day"
Previously, on the first "day," the expression "Let light come to be" was
used. The Hebrew word there used for "light" is 'ohr, meaning light in a
general sense. But on the fourth "day," the Hebrew word changes to
ma·'ohr´,
which means the source of the light. Rotherham, in a footnote on
"Luminaries" in the Emphasised Bible, says: "In ver. 3, 'ôr ['ohr], light
diffused." Then he goes on to show that the Hebrew word ma·'ohr´ in verse
14
means something "affording light." On the first "day" diffused light
evidently penetrated the swaddling bands, but the sources of that light
could not have been seen by an earthly observer because of the cloud
layers
still enveloping the earth. Now, on this fourth "day," things apparently
changed.
The light of 1.3 I think is the abode of the chosen. God did not take
pleasure in the darkness but only in the light, light is called day and
darkness night, I think the day is the eternal day in heaven and night is
the lake of fire.
I think the fall of angels before vers 2 was the cause of this, in so to say
that a heaven could be won or lost. That was the purpose of God mentioning
it here.
Ole
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| User: "jabriol" |
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07 Sep 2003 03:32:14 PM |
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"Ole Madsen" <Maaseiah[SNABEL]paradis.tdcadsl.dk> wrote in message
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"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote in message
news:Q5M6b.3860632$mA4.531030@news.easynews.com...
Fourth "Day"
Previously, on the first "day," the expression "Let light come to be"
was
used. The Hebrew word there used for "light" is 'ohr, meaning light in a
general sense. But on the fourth "day," the Hebrew word changes to
ma·'ohr´,
which means the source of the light. Rotherham, in a footnote on
"Luminaries" in the Emphasised Bible, says: "In ver. 3, 'ôr ['ohr],
light
diffused." Then he goes on to show that the Hebrew word ma·'ohr´ in
verse
14
means something "affording light." On the first "day" diffused light
evidently penetrated the swaddling bands, but the sources of that light
could not have been seen by an earthly observer because of the cloud
layers
still enveloping the earth. Now, on this fourth "day," things apparently
changed.
The light of 1.3 I think is the abode of the chosen. God did not take
pleasure in the darkness but only in the light, light is called day and
darkness night, I think the day is the eternal day in heaven and night is
the lake of fire.
I think the fall of angels before vers 2 was the cause of this, in so to
say
that a heaven could be won or lost. That was the purpose of God mentioning
it here.
Ole
what?
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| User: "Ole Madsen Maaseiah[SNABEL]paradis.tdcadsl.dk" |
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07 Sep 2003 03:50:45 PM |
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what?
God only said that light was good, he did not say darkness was good, why
should he say light was good if he did not want to say anything about it?
Ole
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| User: "jabriol" |
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07 Sep 2003 04:36:45 PM |
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"Ole Madsen" <Maaseiah[SNABEL]paradis.tdcadsl.dk> wrote in message
news:3f5b9a1d$0$16886$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk...
what?
God only said that light was good, he did not say darkness was good, why
should he say light was good if he did not want to say anything about it?
Ole
From a human perpesctive all our activity is done durring the light. However
lack of information does not prove a negative.
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07 Sep 2003 06:09:35 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote in message
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From a human perpesctive all our activity is done durring the light.
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Since when? You're talking about the days we were still living in caves and
probably didn't even have advanced language yet. First came fire, then
candles........
--
Nelly Nortonson........
"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a
will of the
type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should
survive his
physical death is also beyond my comprehension,...;
such notions are for the fears or absurd egoism of feeble souls."
~ Albert Einstein ~
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07 Sep 2003 06:33:38 PM |
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look who escape from the killfile let see... what the group confirmed and
confessed liar has to say.. if she entertaining, I leave her out of the
cage..
" * {@()@}* ~~ (@()@) *" <Get-enslaved@theWickedWTs.net> wrote in message
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"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote in message
news:NxN6b.3865411$mA4.532006@news.easynews.com...
From a human perpesctive all our activity is done durring the light.
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Since when? You're talking about the days we were still living in caves
and
probably didn't even have advanced language yet. First came fire, then
candles........
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And Carol is the prime example of forced induced evolution education..
Per evolution.. man descended from trees... not from caves..
now please disply more of your ignorance..
better yet go home and service your husband... today is sunday...
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07 Sep 2003 10:18:52 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote in message
news:mfP6b.734102$Bf5.103493@news.easynews.com...
look who escape from the killfile let see... what the group confirmed and
confessed liar has to say.. if she entertaining, I leave her out of the
cage..
====================
True Christian statements by the Usenet sociopath and devout Jehovah's
Witness Jabriol. But wait,... he'll soon be claiming this is just another
forgery! LOL!!!
Uh, so is this or isn't THIS post from you just another of the thousands of
forged posts by all those naughty, demon infested apostates on Usenet,
Jabbers?
--
MiKe Krobez......
(Jabriol) should be more careful in the way he presents
himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those
JW quotes about "knowing the tree by its fruit" (Credit to Campbell)
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| User: "jabriol" |
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08 Sep 2003 04:36:02 AM |
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oh well.. back into the cage you go..
here we thought yu had some substance.. Plonk!
" * {@()@}* ~~ (@()@) *" <Get-enslaved@theWickedWTs.net> wrote in message
news:toS6b.3562$h5.1026@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...
"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote in message
news:mfP6b.734102$Bf5.103493@news.easynews.com...
look who escape from the killfile let see... what the group confirmed
and
confessed liar has to say.. if she entertaining, I leave her out of the
cage..
====================
True Christian statements by the Usenet sociopath and devout Jehovah's
Witness Jabriol. But wait,... he'll soon be claiming this is just another
forgery! LOL!!!
Uh, so is this or isn't THIS post from you just another of the thousands
of
forged posts by all those naughty, demon infested apostates on Usenet,
Jabbers?
--
MiKe Krobez......
(Jabriol) should be more careful in the way he presents
himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those
JW quotes about "knowing the tree by its fruit" (Credit to Campbell)
====================================================><>
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| User: "Brian Busse" |
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08 Sep 2003 07:51:09 AM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote in message news:64Y6b.767693$Bf5.108993@news.easynews.com...
oh well.. back into the cage you go..
here we thought yu had some substance.. Plonk!
jabriol claiming someone elses lacks substance. Now that's irony.
" * {@()@}* ~~ (@()@) *" <Get-enslaved@theWickedWTs.net> wrote in message
news:toS6b.3562$h5.1026@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...
"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote in message
news:mfP6b.734102$Bf5.103493@news.easynews.com...
look who escape from the killfile let see... what the group confirmed
and
confessed liar has to say.. if she entertaining, I leave her out of the
cage..
====================
True Christian statements by the Usenet sociopath and devout Jehovah's
Witness Jabriol. But wait,... he'll soon be claiming this is just another
forgery! LOL!!!
Uh, so is this or isn't THIS post from you just another of the thousands
of
forged posts by all those naughty, demon infested apostates on Usenet,
Jabbers?
--
MiKe Krobez......
(Jabriol) should be more careful in the way he presents
himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those
JW quotes about "knowing the tree by its fruit" (Credit to Campbell)
====================================================><>
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| User: "John Hattan" |
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07 Sep 2003 08:05:57 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote:
Per evolution.. man descended from trees... not from caves..
Yeah, that doesn't model reality at all. It makes much more sense to
assume that man was created out of dirt by a magical being.
---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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07 Sep 2003 06:07:50 PM |
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jabriol wrote:
"Ole Madsen" <Maaseiah[SNABEL]paradis.tdcadsl.dk> wrote in message
news:3f5b9a1d$0$16886$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk...
what?
God only said that light was good, he did not say darkness was good, why
should he say light was good if he did not want to say anything about it?
Ole
From a human perpesctive all our activity is done durring the light. However
lack of information does not prove a negative.
===>But you think it proves a "positive"???
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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07 Sep 2003 06:06:39 PM |
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Ole Madsen wrote:
what?
God only said that light was good, he did not say darkness was good, why
should he say light was good if he did not want to say anything about it?
===>He could not se in darkness, so of course he did not say it was good.
Job 22:14
'Clouds are a hiding place for Him, so that He cannot see;
And He walks on the vault of heaven.'
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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07 Sep 2003 05:31:59 PM |
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Ole Madsen wrote:
"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote in message
news:Q5M6b.3860632$mA4.531030@news.easynews.com...
Fourth "Day"
Previously, on the first "day," the expression "Let light come to be" was
used. The Hebrew word there used for "light" is 'ohr, meaning light in a
general sense. But on the fourth "day," the Hebrew word changes to
ma·'ohr´,
which means the source of the light. Rotherham, in a footnote on
"Luminaries" in the Emphasised Bible, says: "In ver. 3, 'ôr ['ohr], light
diffused." Then he goes on to show that the Hebrew word ma·'ohr´ in verse
14
means something "affording light." On the first "day" diffused light
evidently penetrated the swaddling bands, but the sources of that light
could not have been seen by an earthly observer because of the cloud
layers
still enveloping the earth. Now, on this fourth "day," things apparently
changed.
The light of 1.3 I think is the abode of the chosen. God did not take
pleasure in the darkness but only in the light
Job 22:14
'Clouds are a hiding place for Him, so that He cannot see;
And He walks on the vault of heaven.' -- L.
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07 Sep 2003 06:06:18 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message
news:3F5BB1DF.BD8F4D1@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net...
Ole Madsen wrote:
"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote in message
news:Q5M6b.3860632$mA4.531030@news.easynews.com...
Fourth "Day"
Previously, on the first "day," the expression "Let light come to be"
was
used. The Hebrew word there used for "light" is 'ohr, meaning light in
a
general sense. But on the fourth "day," the Hebrew word changes to
ma·'ohr´,
which means the source of the light. Rotherham, in a footnote on
"Luminaries" in the Emphasised Bible, says: "In ver. 3, 'ôr ['ohr],
light
diffused." Then he goes on to show that the Hebrew word ma·'ohr´ in
verse
14
means something "affording light." On the first "day" diffused light
evidently penetrated the swaddling bands, but the sources of that
light
could not have been seen by an earthly observer because of the cloud
layers
still enveloping the earth. Now, on this fourth "day," things
apparently
changed.
The light of 1.3 I think is the abode of the chosen. God did not take
pleasure in the darkness but only in the light
Job 22:14
'Clouds are a hiding place for Him, so that He cannot see;
And He walks on the vault of heaven.' -- L.
And who says that this verse has anything to do with verse 1.3?
Ole
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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07 Sep 2003 10:38:16 PM |
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Ole Madsen wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message
news:3F5BB1DF.BD8F4D1@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net...
Ole Madsen wrote:
"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote in message
news:Q5M6b.3860632$mA4.531030@news.easynews.com...
Fourth "Day"
Previously, on the first "day," the expression "Let light come to be"
was
used. The Hebrew word there used for "light" is 'ohr, meaning light in
a
general sense. But on the fourth "day," the Hebrew word changes to
ma·'ohr´,
which means the source of the light. Rotherham, in a footnote on
"Luminaries" in the Emphasised Bible, says: "In ver. 3, 'ôr ['ohr],
light
diffused." Then he goes on to show that the Hebrew word ma·'ohr´ in
verse
14
means something "affording light." On the first "day" diffused light
evidently penetrated the swaddling bands, but the sources of that
light
could not have been seen by an earthly observer because of the cloud
layers
still enveloping the earth. Now, on this fourth "day," things
apparently
changed.
The light of 1.3 I think is the abode of the chosen. God did not take
pleasure in the darkness but only in the light
Job 22:14
'Clouds are a hiding place for Him, so that He cannot see;
And He walks on the vault of heaven.' -- L.
And who says that this verse has anything to do with verse 1.3?
===>I did.
He needed light because he could not see what he was doing. -- L.
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07 Sep 2003 05:48:32 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message
news:3F5BB1DF.BD8F4D1@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net...
Ole Madsen wrote:
"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote in message
news:Q5M6b.3860632$mA4.531030@news.easynews.com...
Fourth "Day"
Previously, on the first "day," the expression "Let light come to be"
was
used. The Hebrew word there used for "light" is 'ohr, meaning light in
a
general sense. But on the fourth "day," the Hebrew word changes to
ma·'ohr´,
which means the source of the light. Rotherham, in a footnote on
"Luminaries" in the Emphasised Bible, says: "In ver. 3, 'ôr ['ohr],
light
diffused." Then he goes on to show that the Hebrew word ma·'ohr´ in
verse
14
means something "affording light." On the first "day" diffused light
evidently penetrated the swaddling bands, but the sources of that
light
could not have been seen by an earthly observer because of the cloud
layers
still enveloping the earth. Now, on this fourth "day," things
apparently
changed.
The light of 1.3 I think is the abode of the chosen. God did not take
pleasure in the darkness but only in the light
Job 22:14
'Clouds are a hiding place for Him, so that He cannot see;
And He walks on the vault of heaven.' -- L.
Instant reply?
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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07 Sep 2003 10:29:43 PM |
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jabriol wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message
news:3F5BB1DF.BD8F4D1@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net...
Ole Madsen wrote:
"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote in message
news:Q5M6b.3860632$mA4.531030@news.easynews.com...
Fourth "Day"
Previously, on the first "day," the expression "Let light come to be"
was
used. The Hebrew word there used for "light" is 'ohr, meaning light in
a
general sense. But on the fourth "day," the Hebrew word changes to
ma·'ohr´,
which means the source of the light. Rotherham, in a footnote on
"Luminaries" in the Emphasised Bible, says: "In ver. 3, 'ôr ['ohr],
light
diffused." Then he goes on to show that the Hebrew word ma·'ohr´ in
verse
14
means something "affording light." On the first "day" diffused light
evidently penetrated the swaddling bands, but the sources of that
light
could not have been seen by an earthly observer because of the cloud
layers
still enveloping the earth. Now, on this fourth "day," things
apparently
changed.
The light of 1.3 I think is the abode of the chosen. God did not take
pleasure in the darkness but only in the light
Job 22:14
'Clouds are a hiding place for Him, so that He cannot see;
And He walks on the vault of heaven.' -- L.
Instant reply?\
===>No. Instant replay.
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07 Sep 2003 06:11:38 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message
news:3F5BB1DF.BD8F4D1@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net...
Job 22:14
'Clouds are a hiding place for Him, so that He cannot see;
And He walks on the vault of heaven.' -- L.
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So this god hid in the clouds... what did he/she/it do on a crystal clear,
cloudless day? What and where is the "vault" of heaven?
--
Sally Goroun DaRozes......
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education
and social
ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a
poor way if he
had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
- Albert Einstein -
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07 Sep 2003 07:19:35 PM |
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On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 18:11:38 -0500, * {@()@}* ~~ (@()@) * wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message
news:3F5BB1DF.BD8F4D1@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net...
Job 22:14
'Clouds are a hiding place for Him, so that He cannot see; And He walks
on the vault of heaven.' -- L.
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So this god hid in the clouds... what did he/she/it do on a crystal clear,
cloudless day? What and where is the "vault" of heaven?
Can't tell you that. You might try getting into the vault and swipe the
jewels!
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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07 Sep 2003 10:21:00 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <iskanipa-y@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.09.08.00.19.34.973072@eac.org...
Can't tell you that. You might try getting into the vault and swipe the
jewels!
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Nahhh,... I already have my own stash of 'em. :-)
--
Keecha....
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived." -= Isaac Asimov =-
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| User: "John Hattan" |
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07 Sep 2003 03:25:51 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote:
Fourth "Day"
"'Let luminaries come to be in the expanse of the heavens to make a
division between the day and the night; and they must serve as signs and for
seasons and for days and years. And they must serve as luminaries in the
expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth.' And it came to be so. And
God proceeded to make the two great luminaries, the greater luminary for
dominating the day and the lesser luminary for dominating the night, and
also the stars."-Genesis 1:14-16.
So the Earth and plants existed before all of the stars (including the
Sun), correct?
---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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| User: "Ole Madsen Maaseiah[SNABEL]paradis.tdcadsl.dk" |
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07 Sep 2003 03:30:00 PM |
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"John Hattan" <john@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
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"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote:
So the Earth and plants existed before all of the stars (including the
Sun), correct?
They could have existed before, because the word bare is not used but asah,
appointed a speciel role. They was not created on the fourth day.
Ole
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07 Sep 2003 05:59:09 PM |
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John Hattan wrote:
"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote:
Fourth "Day"
"'Let luminaries come to be in the expanse of the heavens to make a
division between the day and the night; and they must serve as signs and for
seasons and for days and years. And they must serve as luminaries in the
expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth.' And it came to be so. And
God proceeded to make the two great luminaries, the greater luminary for
dominating the day and the lesser luminary for dominating the night, and
also the stars."-Genesis 1:14-16.
So the Earth and plants existed before all of the stars (including the
Sun), correct?
===>That is what the story says.
Why not just leave it alone?
Did the Klingon Empire not exist long before the Enterprise
ran into them? -- L.
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| User: "jabriol" |
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| Title: Re: Talk.origins banned subject: Creative day IV |
07 Sep 2003 06:20:45 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message
news:3F5BB83D.5EF2F93E@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net...
John Hattan wrote:
"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote:
Fourth "Day"
"'Let luminaries come to be in the expanse of the heavens to make a
division between the day and the night; and they must serve as signs
and for
seasons and for days and years. And they must serve as luminaries in
the
expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth.' And it came to be so.
And
God proceeded to make the two great luminaries, the greater luminary
for
dominating the day and the lesser luminary for dominating the night,
and
also the stars."-Genesis 1:14-16.
So the Earth and plants existed before all of the stars (including the
Sun), correct?
===>That is what the story says.
wrong
Why not just leave it alone?
Did the Klingon Empire not exist long before the Enterprise
ran into them? -- L.
yup..
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Talk.origins banned subject: Creative day IV |
07 Sep 2003 10:40:38 PM |
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jabriol wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message
news:3F5BB83D.5EF2F93E@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net...
John Hattan wrote:
"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote:
Fourth "Day"
"'Let luminaries come to be in the expanse of the heavens to make a
division between the day and the night; and they must serve as signs
and for
seasons and for days and years. And they must serve as luminaries in
the
expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth.' And it came to be so.
And
God proceeded to make the two great luminaries, the greater luminary
for
dominating the day and the lesser luminary for dominating the night,
and
also the stars."-Genesis 1:14-16.
So the Earth and plants existed before all of the stars (including the
Sun), correct?
===>That is what the story says.
wrong
Why not just leave it alone?
Did the Klingon Empire not exist long before the Enterprise
ran into them? -- L.
yup..
===>THAT IS WHAT THE STORY SAYS.
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| User: "jabriol" |
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| Title: Re: Talk.origins banned subject: Creative day IV |
07 Sep 2003 03:34:09 PM |
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Me guess you did not read the whole thing eh...
do us a favor.. read the whole thing.. get a bit more informed... this way
you wont embarrass yourself in front of millions of readers...
"John Hattan" <john@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
news:8q4nlv8n306hj7mer3fpcih7t6epprb8il@4ax.com...
"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote:
Fourth "Day"
"'Let luminaries come to be in the expanse of the heavens to make a
division between the day and the night; and they must serve as signs and
for
seasons and for days and years. And they must serve as luminaries in the
expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth.' And it came to be so.
And
God proceeded to make the two great luminaries, the greater luminary for
dominating the day and the lesser luminary for dominating the night, and
also the stars."-Genesis 1:14-16.
So the Earth and plants existed before all of the stars (including the
Sun), correct?
---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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| User: "John Hattan" |
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| Title: Re: Talk.origins banned subject: Creative day IV |
07 Sep 2003 04:57:40 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote:
"John Hattan" <john@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
news:8q4nlv8n306hj7mer3fpcih7t6epprb8il@4ax.com...
"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote:
Fourth "Day"
"'Let luminaries come to be in the expanse of the heavens to make a
division between the day and the night; and they must serve as signs and
for
seasons and for days and years. And they must serve as luminaries in the
expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth.' And it came to be so.
And
God proceeded to make the two great luminaries, the greater luminary for
dominating the day and the lesser luminary for dominating the night, and
also the stars."-Genesis 1:14-16.
So the Earth and plants existed before all of the stars (including the
Sun), correct?
Me guess you did not read the whole thing eh...
Yes I did, and please don't answer my question with another question.
Given that Genesis 1 clearly states that the Earth was created on day
two, plants on day three, and the sun/stars on day four, does that mean
that the Earth and plants existed before all of the stars?
A "yes" or "no" will be just fine.
do us a favor.. read the whole thing.. get a bit more informed... this way
you wont embarrass yourself in front of millions of readers...
Okay, boorishness noted. Now please answer the question.
---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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| User: "jabriol" |
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| Title: Re: Talk.origins banned subject: Creative day IV |
07 Sep 2003 05:44:34 PM |
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"John Hattan" <john@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
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"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote:
"John Hattan" <john@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
news:8q4nlv8n306hj7mer3fpcih7t6epprb8il@4ax.com...
"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote:
Fourth "Day"
"'Let luminaries come to be in the expanse of the heavens to make a
division between the day and the night; and they must serve as signs
and
for
seasons and for days and years. And they must serve as luminaries in
the
expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth.' And it came to be so.
And
God proceeded to make the two great luminaries, the greater luminary
for
dominating the day and the lesser luminary for dominating the night,
and
also the stars."-Genesis 1:14-16.
So the Earth and plants existed before all of the stars (including the
Sun), correct?
Me guess you did not read the whole thing eh...
Yes I did, and please don't answer my question with another question.
Given that Genesis 1 clearly states that the Earth was created on day
two, plants on day three, and the sun/stars on day four, does that mean
that the Earth and plants existed before all of the stars?
wrong... the earth already existed. the stars already existed. Read Genesis
1:2,
this should tell you that the planet was already here. It seems that no
sunlight was reaching the surface of the planet. the start of the book of
Genesis indicate the start of the process of terraforming the planet for
life. It give you the point of view if you were an observer standing on the
planet itself... assesing the situation. say for example you were in a space
ship and came to the watery surface of the planet, you would not see the sun
or the stars. Many planet in the galaxy are theorize to be in this state.
golly don't you watch star trek?????????
A "yes" or "no" will be just fine.
not if your intent is to bash the reply based on yes or no..
next question...
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| User: "John Hattan" |
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| Title: Re: Talk.origins banned subject: Creative day IV |
07 Sep 2003 08:02:11 PM |
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"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote:
"John Hattan" <john@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
news:t3anlv4adaubf92fj075d4j9glsgpvnu9r@4ax.com...
"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote:
"John Hattan" <john@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
news:8q4nlv8n306hj7mer3fpcih7t6epprb8il@4ax.com...
"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote:
Fourth "Day"
"'Let luminaries come to be in the expanse of the heavens to make a
division between the day and the night; and they must serve as signs
and
for
seasons and for days and years. And they must serve as luminaries in
the
expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth.' And it came to be so.
And
God proceeded to make the two great luminaries, the greater luminary
for
dominating the day and the lesser luminary for dominating the night,
and
also the stars."-Genesis 1:14-16.
So the Earth and plants existed before all of the stars (including the
Sun), correct?
Me guess you did not read the whole thing eh...
Yes I did, and please don't answer my question with another question.
Given that Genesis 1 clearly states that the Earth was created on day
two, plants on day three, and the sun/stars on day four, does that mean
that the Earth and plants existed before all of the stars?
wrong... the earth already existed. the stars already existed. Read Genesis
1:2,
[John crosses out Gen 1:16 from his Jabriol/Sharpie edition Bible]
Okay, no problem.
this should tell you that the planet was already here. It seems that no
sunlight was reaching the surface of the planet. the start of the book of
Genesis indicate the start of the process of terraforming the planet for
life.
Sure it did.
It give you the point of view if you were an observer standing on the
planet itself... assesing the situation.
So Gen 1:16 is mistaken when it very clearly states that Elohim made the
stars on the fourth day, correct?
say for example you were in a space
ship and came to the watery surface of the planet, you would not see the sun
or the stars. Many planet in the galaxy are theorize to be in this state.
golly don't you watch star trek?????????
So the story is based on the perspective of a human observer standing on
Earth even though at the time THERE WERE NO HUMANS?!
How very silly.
A "yes" or "no" will be just fine.
not if your intent is to bash the reply based on yes or no..
Evasion noted.
---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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| User: "jabriol" |
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| Title: Re: Talk.origins banned subject: Creative day IV |
08 Sep 2003 04:43:36 AM |
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"John Hattan" <john@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
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"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote:
"John Hattan" <john@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
news:t3anlv4adaubf92fj075d4j9glsgpvnu9r@4ax.com...
"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote:
"John Hattan" <john@thecodezone.com> wrote in message
news:8q4nlv8n306hj7mer3fpcih7t6epprb8il@4ax.com...
"jabriol" <jabriol@sparta.org> wrote:
Fourth "Day"
"'Let luminaries come to be in the expanse of the heavens to make
a
division between the day and the night; and they must serve as
signs
and
for
seasons and for days and years. And they must serve as luminaries
in
the
expanse of the heavens to shine upon the earth.' And it came to be
so.
And
God proceeded to make the two great luminaries, the greater
luminary
for
dominating the day and the lesser luminary for dominating the
night,
and
also the stars."-Genesis 1:14-16.
So the Earth and plants existed before all of the stars (including
the
Sun), correct?
Me guess you did not read the whole thing eh...
Yes I did, and please don't answer my question with another question.
Given that Genesis 1 clearly states that the Earth was created on day
two, plants on day three, and the sun/stars on day four, does that mean
that the Earth and plants existed before all of the stars?
wrong... the earth already existed. the stars already existed. Read
Genesis
1:2,
[John crosses out Gen 1:16 from his Jabriol/Sharpie edition Bible]
Okay, no problem.
this should tell you that the planet was already here. It seems that no
sunlight was reaching the surface of the planet. the start of the book of
Genesis indicate the start of the process of terraforming the planet for
life.
Sure it did.
It give you the point of view if you were an observer standing on the
planet itself... assesing the situation.
So Gen 1:16 is mistaken when it very clearly states that Elohim made the
stars on the fourth day, correct?
no.. the stars were visible from earth on the 4th day.... it is not mistaken
at all, since Genesis 1:1 demostrate that the heavens .. including stars etc
were made way before the planet terraformation. remebe the translation into
the queens english, varies from bible to bible.
say for example you were in a space
ship and came to the watery surface of the planet, you would not see the
sun
or the stars. Many planet in the galaxy are theorize to be in this state.
golly don't you watch star trek?????????
So the story is based on the perspective of a human observer standing on
Earth even though at the time THERE WERE NO HUMANS?!
good point.. and I will touvh on that point in a future post. in the mean
time
think in children stories, and the adult version..
How very silly.
A "yes" or "no" will be just fine.
not if your intent is to bash the reply based on yes or no..
Evasion noted.
good
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