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"Deuteros" |
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09 Sep 2006 02:47:15 PM |
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Teachers are Dumbing Down Education |
Anyone who attends a university where they train teachers will tell you
that the trainee teachers are the only group dumber than the PE students.
Except the trainee teachers themselves of course, who will bristle at the
suggestion. Of course they also bristle at the suggestion that they regard
themselves as the intellectual elite. Apparently someone who has a
government charter to tell other people what to think doesn't qualify as
the intellectual elite. Go figure.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20271476-12332,00.html
But some other university intellectual elites have produced a study which
shows that teachers are actually a pretty dumb lot.
In particular, it reports that the academic achievement of women entering
teaching has declined substantially.
You mean all those feminists who became teachers through affirmative action
aren't really that smart? Who'd have thought?
The study actually confirms what the rest of us have known all along. The
feminisation of the school curriculum alienated a generation of boys from
the education system, and did nothing for the girls beyond giving them a
sense of entitlement to affirmative action. Allowing the teachers unions to
run the education system has simply resulted in a slow deterioration of
teaching standards. And driving male teachers out of the profession through
affirmative action and subtle innuendos about men being pedophiles has been
a disaster.
But it's not like the teacher's unions don't have a solution to the
problem. They are demanding that teachers be paid more money. The argument
is that better, and smarter teachers will be attracted to the profession if
it pays more money.
Can you imagine any organization other than a union demanding more money
because they are doing such a poor job?
Of course the teachers unions have always fought the concept of
performance-based, or merit-based pay. Across the board pay rises have
always been the demand in the we-are-all-equal culture of the socialist-
rooted elites.
They have even resisted Little Johnny's demands for standardized report
cards. There have been many squishy arguments against this, usually based
around the notion that all children are different, and their needs can only
really be assessed and met by Trained Professionals (ie increasingly dumb
women teachers).
The real reason they are resisting the standardized report cards is because
it will create accountability. Teachers are terrified of actually having to
admit that they have only managed to get Junior's reading level up to the
bottom 20 percentile because then their teaching performance (or lack of
it) would be obvious, and parents would be able to compare schools and
might (horror of horrors) actually demand a choice in how their children
are educated. Next, parents might actually demand an education voucher
system.
Oh the horror, the horror.
It's ironic, that in the state education factories, in which the teacher's
unions have tried so hard to create uniformity, their argument against
standardized report cards is based on individuality.
It's also ironic that the favored slogan of the teacher's union is State
education: it's our future. Now that's horrifying.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Teachers are Dumbing Down Education |
09 Sep 2006 07:22:18 PM |
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Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net> wrote:
Anyone who attends a university where they train teachers will tell you
that the trainee teachers are the only group dumber than the PE students.
Nah. There's you.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Serial Killfiler" |
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| Title: Re: Teachers are Dumbing Down Education |
11 Sep 2006 02:30:06 PM |
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On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 19:47:15 +0000 (UTC), Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net>
wrote:
In particular, it reports that the academic achievement of women entering
teaching has declined substantially.
Of course it has. Teaching is a low-pay, low-prestige career and most
women would rather make more money in private sector or high powered
professional jobs than stoop to doing ill-paid, ill-respected public
service work like teaching.
You mean all those feminists who became teachers through affirmative action aren't really that smart? Who'd have thought?
In 14 years I have NEVER met a single PS teacher who could fairly be
called a feminist. Those types go into higher ed, where they can
lecture and publish papers about whatever. Probably the last place a
hardcore feminist cares to be is in a dirty, overcrowded classroom
filled with ill-mannered, underbathed, baggy-panted adolescent boys.
The study actually confirms what the rest of us have known all along. The
feminisation of the school curriculum alienated a generation of boys from
the education system, and did nothing for the girls beyond giving them a
sense of entitlement to affirmative action. Allowing the teachers unions to
run the education system has simply resulted in a slow deterioration of
teaching standards. And driving male teachers out of the profession through
affirmative action and subtle innuendos about men being pedophiles has been
a disaster.
What a load of crap. Women do not run the state boards of education
and the legislatures, which create these absurdly overloaded school
curriculums. Our unions are not powerful enough to "run" a damn
thing. They can only react-- usually ineffectually -- to the
politically motivated agendas of the state boards, the legislatures,
and the local districts. And if male teachers are being driven out--
an assertion that you have provided no actual evidence for-- it's the
probably the pay. In many areas you can't do much for your family
with a teacher's paycheck, and that is a main reason people avoid or
quit teaching jobs.
But it's not like the teacher's unions don't have a solution to the
problem. They are demanding that teachers be paid more money. The argument
is that better, and smarter teachers will be attracted to the profession if
it pays more money.
Can you imagine any organization other than a union demanding more money
because they are doing such a poor job?
You have provided no evidence of any such thing. You are just spewing
gas.
Of course the teachers unions have always fought the concept of
performance-based, or merit-based pay. Across the board pay rises have
always been the demand in the we-are-all-equal culture of the socialist-
rooted elites.
There is no way for the people who enter my classroom at most twice
annually to evaluate how effectively I do what I do. And the public
isn't going to pay for extra pencil-pushers to implement such a scheme
fairly. It has failed everywhere it's been tried because it becomes a
political bat for clubbing those the admin doesn't like and rewarding
suckups. The bonuses and raises given for advanced degrees and
National Board certifications are a far better idea.
They have even resisted Little Johnny's demands for standardized report
cards. There have been many squishy arguments against this, usually based
around the notion that all children are different, and their needs can only
really be assessed and met by Trained Professionals (ie increasingly dumb
women teachers).
I have never heard of any proposal for a standardized report card. I
have never read of any such proposal in any of the many
education-related and news publi
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Teachers are Dumbing Down Education |
12 Sep 2006 03:19:23 PM |
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Just what do you expect from all those undereducated teachers?
Most of them cannot even speak correct English, although
they do insist they "have went" to college!
Even that they "have wrote" a thesis! ;-) -- L.
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| User: "Serial Killfiler" |
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| Title: Re: Teachers are Dumbing Down Education |
12 Sep 2006 10:03:34 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:19:23 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Just what do you expect from all those undereducated teachers?
Most of them cannot even speak correct English, although
they do insist they "have went" to college!
Even that they "have wrote" a thesis! ;-) -- L.
I have never heard a teacher speak that way.
BTW your last "sentence" is actually a fragment.
TSK
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Teachers are Dumbing Down Education |
13 Sep 2006 10:08:05 AM |
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Serial Killfiler wrote:
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 14:19:23 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Just what do you expect from all those undereducated teachers?
Most of them cannot even speak correct English, although
they do insist they "have went" to college!
Even that they "have wrote" a thesis! ;-) -- L.
I have never heard a teacher speak that way.
===>I have. MANY times.
And correcting them is of no use.
BTW your last "sentence" is actually a fragment.
===>Of course it is.
What should I of wrote? ;-) -- L.
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| User: "Serial Killfiler" |
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| Title: Re: Teachers are Dumbing Down Education |
11 Sep 2006 02:31:56 PM |
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On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 19:47:15 +0000 (UTC), Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net>
wrote:
In particular, it reports that the academic achievement of women entering
teaching has declined substantially.
Of course it has. Teaching is a low-pay, low-prestige career and most
women would rather make more money in private sector or high powered
professional jobs than stoop to doing ill-paid, ill-respected public
service work like teaching.
You mean all those feminists who became teachers through affirmative action aren't really that smart? Who'd have thought?
In 14 years I have NEVER met a single PS teacher who could fairly be
called a feminist. Those types go into higher ed, where they can
lecture and publish papers about whatever. Probably the last place a
hardcore feminist cares to be is in a dirty, overcrowded classroom
filled with ill-mannered, underbathed, baggy-panted adolescent boys.
The study actually confirms what the rest of us have known all along. The
feminisation of the school curriculum alienated a generation of boys from
the education system, and did nothing for the girls beyond giving them a
sense of entitlement to affirmative action. Allowing the teachers unions to
run the education system has simply resulted in a slow deterioration of
teaching standards. And driving male teachers out of the profession through
affirmative action and subtle innuendos about men being pedophiles has been
a disaster.
What a load of crap. Women do not run the state boards of education
and the legislatures, which create these absurdly overloaded school
curriculums. Our unions are not powerful enough to "run" a damn
thing. They can only react-- usually ineffectually -- to the
politically motivated agendas of the state boards, the legislatures,
and the local districts. And if male teachers are being driven out--
an assertion that you have provided no actual evidence for-- it's the
probably the pay. In many areas you can't do much for your family
with a teacher's paycheck, and that is a main reason people avoid or
quit teaching jobs.
But it's not like the teacher's unions don't have a solution to the
problem. They are demanding that teachers be paid more money. The argument
is that better, and smarter teachers will be attracted to the profession if
it pays more money.
Can you imagine any organization other than a union demanding more money
because they are doing such a poor job?
You have provided no evidence of any such thing. You are just spewing
gas.
Of course the teachers unions have always fought the concept of
performance-based, or merit-based pay. Across the board pay rises have
always been the demand in the we-are-all-equal culture of the socialist-
rooted elites.
There is no way for the people who enter my classroom at most twice
annually to evaluate how effectively I do what I do. And the public
isn't going to pay for extra pencil-pushers to implement such a scheme
fairly. It has failed everywhere it's been tried because it becomes a
political bat for clubbing those the admin doesn't like and rewarding
suckups. The bonuses and raises given for advanced degrees and
National Board certifications are a far better idea.
They have even resisted Little Johnny's demands for standardized report
cards. There have been many squishy arguments against this, usually based
around the notion that all children are different, and their needs can only
really be assessed and met by Trained Professionals (ie increasingly dumb
women teachers).
I have never heard of any proposal for a standardized report card. I
have never read of any such proposal in any of the many
education-related and news publi
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| User: "Serial Killfiler" |
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| Title: Re: Teachers are Dumbing Down Education |
11 Sep 2006 02:54:31 PM |
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On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 19:47:15 +0000 (UTC), Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net>
wrote:
In particular, it reports that the academic achievement of women entering
teaching has declined substantially.
Of course it has. Teaching is a low-pay, low-prestige career and most
women would rather make more money in private sector or high powered
professional jobs than stoop to doing ill-paid, ill-respected public
service work like teaching.
You mean all those feminists who became teachers through affirmative action aren't really that smart? Who'd have thought?
In 14 years I have NEVER met a single PS teacher who could fairly be
called a feminist. Those types go into higher ed, where they can
lecture and publish papers about whatever. Probably the last place a
hardcore feminist cares to be is in a dirty, overcrowded classroom
filled with ill-mannered, underbathed, baggy-panted adolescent boys.
The study actually confirms what the rest of us have known all along. The
feminisation of the school curriculum alienated a generation of boys from
the education system, and did nothing for the girls beyond giving them a
sense of entitlement to affirmative action. Allowing the teachers unions to
run the education system has simply resulted in a slow deterioration of
teaching standards. And driving male teachers out of the profession through
affirmative action and subtle innuendos about men being pedophiles has been
a disaster.
What a load of crap. Women do not run the state boards of education
and the legislatures, which create these absurdly overloaded school
curriculums. Our unions are not powerful enough to "run" a damn
thing. They can only react-- usually ineffectually -- to the
politically motivated agendas of the state boards, the legislatures,
and the local districts. And if male teachers are being driven out--
an assertion that you have provided no actual evidence for-- it's the
probably the pay. In many areas you can't do much for your family
with a teacher's paycheck, and that is a main reason people avoid or
quit teaching jobs.
But it's not like the teacher's unions don't have a solution to the
problem. They are demanding that teachers be paid more money. The argument
is that better, and smarter teachers will be attracted to the profession if
it pays more money.
Can you imagine any organization other than a union demanding more money
because they are doing such a poor job?
You have provided no evidence of any such thing. You are just spewing
gas.
Of course the teachers unions have always fought the concept of
performance-based, or merit-based pay. Across the board pay rises have
always been the demand in the we-are-all-equal culture of the socialist-
rooted elites.
There is no way for the people who enter my classroom at most twice
annually to evaluate how effectively I do what I do. And the public
isn't going to pay for extra pencil-pushers to implement such a scheme
fairly. It has failed everywhere it's been tried because it becomes a
political bat for clubbing those the admin doesn't like and rewarding
suckups. The bonuses and raises given for advanced degrees and
National Board certifications are a far better idea.
They have even resisted Little Johnny's demands for standardized report
cards. There have been many squishy arguments against this, usually based
around the notion that all children are different, and their needs can only
really be assessed and met by Trained Professionals (ie increasingly dumb
women teachers).
I have never heard of any proposal for a standardized report card. I
have never read of any such proposal in any of the many
education-related and news publi
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| User: "Day Brown" |
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| Title: Re: Teachers are Dumbing Down Education |
12 Sep 2006 10:55:15 PM |
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Serial Killfiler wrote:
Can you imagine any organization other than a union demanding more money
because they are doing such a poor job?
Yes, the CEOs of major Transnational corporations getting higher
salaries for running the company into the ground. Happens all the time.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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14 Sep 2006 12:03:51 PM |
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Day Brown <daybrown@wildblue.net> wrote:
Serial Killfiler wrote:
Can you imagine any organization other than a union demanding more money
because they are doing such a poor job?
Yes, the CEOs of major Transnational corporations getting higher
salaries for running the company into the ground. Happens all the time.
Well, actually, thy get paid millions to hundeds of millions of
dollars no matter what they do. Often they get paid millions of
dollars to take the job, and get paid millions more when they get
fired.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Serial Killfiler" |
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14 Sep 2006 02:42:26 PM |
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On 14 Sep 2006 17:03:51 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:
Day Brown <daybrown@wildblue.net> wrote:
Serial Killfiler wrote:
Can you imagine any organization other than a union demanding more money
because they are doing such a poor job?
Yes, the CEOs of major Transnational corporations getting higher
salaries for running the company into the ground. Happens all the time.
Well, actually, thy get paid millions to hundeds of millions of
dollars no matter what they do. Often they get paid millions of
dollars to take the job, and get paid millions more when they get
fired.
In past decades nobody in the general public knew who these CEOs were.
Then they made dozens or hundreds of times what their line workers
made. Now they are celebrities, and that contributes to the
unreasonable pay they get-- many thousands of times what their workers
get-- and rewards the culture of greed they have helped create.
The business world has become gimmick-driven and distorted by a
quasi-communist type of personality cult. These overcoiffed, overpaid
fatsos are a big part of the problem. That's why some say that MBA
actually stands for "mighty big a**hole."
TSK
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Teachers are Dumbing Down Education |
13 Sep 2006 10:09:29 AM |
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Day Brown wrote:
Serial Killfiler wrote:
Can you imagine any organization other than a union demanding more
money because they are doing such a poor job?
Yes, the CEOs of major Transnational corporations getting higher
salaries for running the company into the ground. Happens all the time.
===>True, but they don't use money extorted from tax payers. -- L.
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13 Sep 2006 01:56:14 PM |
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["Followup-To:" header set to alt.politics.homosexuality.]
On 2006-09-13, Libertarius <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Day Brown wrote:
Serial Killfiler wrote:
Can you imagine any organization other than a union demanding more
money because they are doing such a poor job?
Yes, the CEOs of major Transnational corporations getting higher
salaries for running the company into the ground. Happens all the time.
===>True, but they don't use money extorted from tax payers. -- L.
Very true. The ones who mismanage and lose billions of US taxpayer's
dollars, like Al'I'Burton, aren't usually the ones who are going
belly-up.
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If you can't change your fate, change your attitude.
-Amy Tan
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11 Sep 2006 02:54:44 PM |
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On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 19:47:15 +0000 (UTC), Deuteros <deuteros@xrs.net>
wrote:
In particular, it reports that the academic achievement of women entering
teaching has declined substantially.
Of course it has. Teaching is a low-pay, low-prestige career and most
women would rather make more money in private sector or high powered
professional jobs than stoop to doing ill-paid, ill-respected public
service work like teaching.
You mean all those feminists who became teachers through affirmative action aren't really that smart? Who'd have thought?
In 14 years I have NEVER met a single PS teacher who could fairly be
called a feminist. Those types go into higher ed, where they can
lecture and publish papers about whatever. Probably the last place a
hardcore feminist cares to be is in a dirty, overcrowded classroom
filled with ill-mannered, underbathed, baggy-panted adolescent boys.
The study actually confirms what the rest of us have known all along. The
feminisation of the school curriculum alienated a generation of boys from
the education system, and did nothing for the girls beyond giving them a
sense of entitlement to affirmative action. Allowing the teachers unions to
run the education system has simply resulted in a slow deterioration of
teaching standards. And driving male teachers out of the profession through
affirmative action and subtle innuendos about men being pedophiles has been
a disaster.
What a load of crap. Women do not run the state boards of education
and the legislatures, which create these absurdly overloaded school
curriculums. Our unions are not powerful enough to "run" a damn
thing. They can only react-- usually ineffectually -- to the
politically motivated agendas of the state boards, the legislatures,
and the local districts. And if male teachers are being driven out--
an assertion that you have provided no actual evidence for-- it's the
probably the pay. In many areas you can't do much for your family
with a teacher's paycheck, and that is a main reason people avoid or
quit teaching jobs.
But it's not like the teacher's unions don't have a solution to the
problem. They are demanding that teachers be paid more money. The argument
is that better, and smarter teachers will be attracted to the profession if
it pays more money.
Can you imagine any organization other than a union demanding more money
because they are doing such a poor job?
You have provided no evidence of any such thing. You are just spewing
gas.
Of course the teachers unions have always fought the concept of
performance-based, or merit-based pay. Across the board pay rises have
always been the demand in the we-are-all-equal culture of the socialist-
rooted elites.
There is no way for the people who enter my classroom at most twice
annually to evaluate how effectively I do what I do. And the public
isn't going to pay for extra pencil-pushers to implement such a scheme
fairly. It has failed everywhere it's been tried because it becomes a
political bat for clubbing those the admin doesn't like and rewarding
suckups. The bonuses and raises given for advanced degrees and
National Board certifications are a far better idea.
They have even resisted Little Johnny's demands for standardized report
cards. There have been many squishy arguments against this, usually based
around the notion that all children are different, and their needs can only
really be assessed and met by Trained Professionals (ie increasingly dumb
women teachers).
I have never heard of any proposal for a standardized report card. I
have never read of any such proposal in any of the many
education-related and news publications that I read, and this topic
has never come up in 10+ years of discussions here. Indeed, you have
not even defined what "standardized report card" means, and it seems
that no one-- including you -- knows what you're talking about.
(remainder snipped--not worth wasting keystrokes on)
TSK
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