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"Jesse" |
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15 Sep 2005 07:55:08 PM |
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The Body of Christ and the Church |
I have seen about as much fighting here as a body can watch. I am
appalled at how fellow believers are treating each other. I am using
this newsgroup in my next Bible Study.
I hope you realize that unbelievers see your behaviour. Jesus said
..."they will know you by what you do."
1 Cor 12:12-17 says that we are all of one body. Each of us has a talent
or skill that together, we can accomplish great things for the Father,
Son and Holy Spirit.
The Holy Bible, New King James Version
1 Corinthians 12:12 - 19 (NKJV) 12For as the body is one and has many
members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body,
so also is Christ. 13For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one
body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been
made to drink £into one Spirit. 14For in fact the body is not one
member but many. 15If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I
am not of the body,” is it therefore not of the body? 16And if the ear
should say, “Because I am not an eye, I am not of the body,” is it
therefore not of the body? 17If the whole body were an eye, where would
be the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where would be the smelling?
18But now God has set the members, each one of them, in the body just
as He pleased. 19And if they were all one member, where would the body be?
We need unity and end all of this divisiveness. We should all be able to
come here and discuss our views and understandings of what we read in
the Bible without having all this bickering and gnashing of teeth.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: The Body of Christ and the Church |
15 Sep 2005 10:17:57 PM |
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On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:55:08 GMT, Jesse
<kc2iyh@sbcglobal.net> spake thusly:
I have seen about as much fighting here as a body can watch. I am
appalled at how fellow believers are treating each other. I am using
this newsgroup in my next Bible Study.
I hope you realize that unbelievers see your behaviour. Jesus said
.."they will know you by what you do."
Believers make up about 2% of the people that post
here. That is a fact you need to examine for yourself.
We have people in here promoting "feel good" false
gospels, claiming to be Christians while denying the
Trinity, promoting pro-homosexual agendas and
abortion, while yet, claiming to be Christians. These
things are not the mark of true Christians and the
Bible teaches to rebuke them with all authority and
to outright reject them, because they are not simply,
"the unsaved", but rather, heretics who claim to have
salvation and to those, Jesus said...
"You are of your father the Devil and the lusts of your
father you will do." - John 8:44a
Paul said to Titus, a pastor, when he sent him to
correct the heresies building up in the churches...
Titus 3:10-11
10) After the first and second warning, reject a man
of heresy,
11) knowing that he who is such has been perverted,
and sins, being self-condemned.
And he said...
"Speak these things, and exhort, and rebuke with
all authority. Let no one despise you." - Titus 2:15
1 Cor 12:12-17 says that we are all of one body. Each of us has a talent
or skill that together, we can accomplish great things for the Father,
Son and Holy Spirit.
It says that of actual Christians, not pretenders.
By accepting them, the inside of the church
looks no different than the outside of the church.
Do you think that was God's goal?
And bear in mind, you are doing the very same thing
now, that you claim we shouldn't be doing. :)
We need unity and end all of this divisiveness.
I will gladly be and seek to be divided from those
who claim to be Christians and teach heresies.
That is what God's word says to do. We are to
"come out from among them" and then God will
accept us. See 2 Cor 6:14.
--
Pastor Dave
Don't put a question mark where God put a period.
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| User: "Al Smith" |
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| Title: Re: The Body of Christ and the Church |
18 Sep 2005 01:32:18 AM |
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Believers make up about 2% of the people that post
here. That is a fact you need to examine for yourself.
We have people in here promoting "feel good" false
gospels, claiming to be Christians while denying the
Trinity, promoting pro-homosexual agendas and
abortion, while yet, claiming to be Christians. These
things are not the mark of true Christians and the
Bible teaches to rebuke them with all authority and
to outright reject them, because they are not simply,
"the unsaved", but rather, heretics who claim to have
salvation and to those, Jesus said...
What has the Trinity got to do with Christianity? Jesus never came
up with such a notion.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: The Body of Christ and the Church |
18 Sep 2005 09:08:35 AM |
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 06:32:18 GMT, Al Smith
<invalid@address.com> spake thusly:
Believers make up about 2% of the people that post
here. That is a fact you need to examine for yourself.
We have people in here promoting "feel good" false
gospels, claiming to be Christians while denying the
Trinity, promoting pro-homosexual agendas and
abortion, while yet, claiming to be Christians. These
things are not the mark of true Christians and the
Bible teaches to rebuke them with all authority and
to outright reject them, because they are not simply,
"the unsaved", but rather, heretics who claim to have
salvation and to those, Jesus said...
What has the Trinity got to do with Christianity? Jesus never came
up with such a notion.
Thomas said, "My Lord and my God".
Jesus said, "Thomas, because you have seen, you have
believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet
have believed."
--
Pastor Dave
Don't put a question mark where God put a period.
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| User: "Al Smith" |
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| Title: Re: The Body of Christ and the Church |
19 Sep 2005 05:58:13 PM |
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What has the Trinity got to do with Christianity? Jesus never came
up with such a notion.
Thomas said, "My Lord and my God".
Jesus said, "Thomas, because you have seen, you have
believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet
have believed."
Again, no trinity mentioned. The writer of the gospel apparently
believed that Jesus and God were one and the same.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: The Body of Christ and the Church |
19 Sep 2005 10:10:47 PM |
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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:58:13 GMT, Al Smith
<invalid@address.com> spake thusly:
What has the Trinity got to do with Christianity? Jesus never came
up with such a notion.
Thomas said, "My Lord and my God".
Jesus said, "Thomas, because you have seen, you have
believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet
have believed."
Again, no trinity mentioned. The writer of the gospel apparently
believed that Jesus and God were one and the same.
According to you.
--
Pastor Dave
Don't put a question mark where God put a period.
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| User: "brian a m stuckless" |
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| Title: Re: The Body of Christ and the Church |
20 Sep 2005 04:29:38 AM |
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<> >><> >><> >><> >><>
GOD lived in VACUUM ..He 'HAD' to CREATE a life for Himself.!!
( No CREATiON no TRAiT.!! ..duh.!! )
1. There NEVER ever WAS, yet, even ONE (1) iNFiNiTY.!!
There never EVER will BE ..even ONE (1) iNFiNiTY.!!
2. ATHEiSM is the SiMPLE virtual OBjECTiFiCATiON of GOD.!!
But jUDiSM is the COMPLEX virtual OBjECTiFiCATiON of GOD.!!
And jUDAEO CHRiSTiANiTY more virtual OBjECTiFiCATiON of GOD.!!
But, jESUS CHRiSTiANs say NO virtual OBjECTiFiCATiON of GOD.!!
VACUUM vs CREATiON.!!
3. VACUUM: A MENTAL state or condition "in the mind or out".!!
(VARiOUS vacu ONLY exist in SQUEEZED Swiss-cheese-LiKE minds.)
4. No CREATiON no TRAiT, for the FiRST "natural" SELECTiON.!!
At least ONE (1) more than the VERY FiRST TRAiT was SOME-how
required ( i.e. Quasi-CREATED ..or, SOMEhow, made-MANiFEST ),
even BEFORE one BETTER TRAiT could be, NATURALLY, selected.!!
No CREATiON, no TRAiT.!! ..duh.!!
Sincerely,
```Brian
p.s.
IAM WHOLLY He.
<> >><> >><> >><> >><>
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:58:13 GMT, Al Smith
<invalid@address.com> spake thusly:
What has the Trinity got to do with Christianity? Jesus never came
up with such a notion.
Thomas said, "My Lord and my God".
Jesus said, "Thomas, because you have seen, you have
believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet
have believed."
Again, no trinity mentioned. The writer of the gospel apparently
believed that Jesus and God were one and the same.
According to you.
--
Pastor Dave
Don't put a question mark where God put a period.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The Body of Christ and the Church |
16 Sep 2005 01:57:44 PM |
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Dave, God accepts us through no act of our own. Their is *nothing* we
can do to make ourselves worthy of him. I am as much a sinner as
anyone, and please feel free to quote me on that. If I wasn't I would
have no *need* for Jesus.
Strangely, almost the entirety of that favourite chapter of yours in
Titus is about Grace, and about how we are saved because of God's
goodness to us, and not through anything we ourselves have done. Paul
says,
"3For we also were once thoughtless and senseless, obstinate and
disobedient, deluded and misled; [we too were once] slaves to all sorts
of cravings and pleasures, wasting our days in malice and jealousy and
envy, hateful (hated, detestable) and hating one another.
4But when the goodness and loving-kindness of God our Savior to man
[as man] appeared,
5He saved us, not because of any works of righteousness that we had
done, but because of His own pity and mercy, by [the] cleansing [bath]
of the new birth (regeneration) and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
6Which He poured out [so] richly upon us through Jesus Christ our
Savior.
7[And He did it in order] that we might be justified by His grace
(by His favor, wholly undeserved), [that we might be acknowledged and
counted as conformed to the divine will in purpose, thought, and
action], and that we might become heirs of eternal life according to
[our] hope.
8This message is most trustworthy, and concerning these things I
want you to insist steadfastly, so that those who have believed in
(trusted in, relied on) God may be careful to apply themselves to
honorable occupations and to doing good, for such things are [not only]
excellent and right [in themselves], but [they are] good and profitable
for the people.
9But avoid stupid and foolish controversies and genealogies and
dissensions and wrangling about the Law, for they are unprofitable and
futile."
....it's a wonderful chapter, full of Grace and hope and gentleness. In
the context of this chapter, do you think Paul was really intending us
to rebuke and condemn just anyone for being wrong, given that God was
patient enough to deal with us when we were equally wrong? Why does
Paul say we are to reject "a man who is factious [a heretical sectarian
and cause of divisions]"? For whose good? Clearly, two verses earlier,
he says he wants us to insist on the idea of Grace and our dependence
on it, and make sure that others know that salvation is God's gift, not
a result of our own actions. Is it possible, then, that verse 10 (given
that this is a letter, and therefore has a certain direction and focus)
might be referring to those who say our salvation is dependent on our
actions and not on the wholly undeserved gift of God's Grace?
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: The Body of Christ and the Church |
16 Sep 2005 03:05:30 PM |
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On 16 Sep 2005 11:57:44 -0700, spake
thusly:
Dave, God accepts us through no act of our own.
Don't bother with this speech. I have never said we
are saved by works. We are not however, accepted
while claiming to be Christians and forming
relationships with heretics. The Bible is clear.
"3For we also were once
Note: "WERE ONCE". Not now.
And you didn't even address what actually was my point.
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Pastor Dave
Don't put a question mark where God put a period.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The Body of Christ and the Church |
16 Sep 2005 03:47:50 PM |
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No, you're right, I didn't engage that bit of what you said.
Do you think (honest question) "were once" means that we don't sin
anymore? Certainly, I know that I am made clean by Grace and because
Jesus took (and continues to take) my sin on himself, but I am still a
sinner. I still commit sin; I still do thoughtless things and think
hateful thoughts.
....I guess I just don't understand you, in a general sort of a way. I
don't understand your anger.
Micah 6:8
He has showed you, O man, what is good.
And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: The Body of Christ and the Church |
16 Sep 2005 06:39:15 PM |
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On 16 Sep 2005 13:47:50 -0700, spake
thusly:
No, you're right, I didn't engage that bit of what you said.
Then you are playing games, making up something that
I never said, in order to excuse heretics.
Do you think (honest question) "were once" means that we don't sin
anymore?
Now you are playing word games, trying to equate
the occasional sin, to living in sin, so that you may
excuse it. The Bible is clear. We are saved unto
good works (Eph 2:10). That is why it says, "and
such WERE some of you", in 1 Cor 6:11.
--
Pastor Dave
Don't put a question mark where God put a period.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The Body of Christ and the Church |
16 Sep 2005 09:06:53 PM |
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Romans 15:13
13May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in
him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy
Spirit.
1 Thessalonians 5:23
23May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through.
May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of
our Lord Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 13:20-21
20May the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant
brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the
sheep, 21equip you with everything good for doing his will, and may he
work in us what is pleasing to him, through Jesus Christ, to whom be
glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Romans 15: 5 & 6
5May the God who gives endurance and encouragement give (us) a spirit
of unity among (our)selves as (we) follow Christ Jesus, 6so that with
one heart and mouth (we) may glorify the God and Father of our Lord
Jesus Christ.
Peace, Dave
God Bless
Pastor Dave wrote:
On 16 Sep 2005 13:47:50 -0700, spake
thusly:
No, you're right, I didn't engage that bit of what you said.
Then you are playing games, making up something that
I never said, in order to excuse heretics.
Do you think (honest question) "were once" means that we don't sin
anymore?
Now you are playing word games, trying to equate
the occasional sin, to living in sin, so that you may
excuse it. The Bible is clear. We are saved unto
good works (Eph 2:10). That is why it says, "and
such WERE some of you", in 1 Cor 6:11.
--
Pastor Dave
Don't put a question mark where God put a period.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: The Body of Christ and the Church |
16 Sep 2005 10:23:23 PM |
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On 16 Sep 2005 19:06:53 -0700, spake
thusly:
Romans 15:13
13May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in
him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy
Spirit.
1 Thessalonians 5:23
23May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through.
May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of
our Lord Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 13:20-21
20May the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant
brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the
sheep, 21equip you with everything good for doing his will, and may he
work in us what is pleasing to him, through Jesus Christ, to whom be
glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Romans 15: 5 & 6
5May the God who gives endurance and encouragement give (us) a spirit
of unity among (our)selves as (we) follow Christ Jesus, 6so that with
one heart and mouth (we) may glorify the God and Father of our Lord
Jesus Christ.
Peace, Dave
God Bless
Once again, no direct response.
I don't have time for this kind of foolishness. Go
excuse heresy with someone else. Apparently,
you love living with it.
Pastor Dave wrote:
On 16 Sep 2005 13:47:50 -0700, spake
thusly:
No, you're right, I didn't engage that bit of what you said.
Then you are playing games, making up something that
I never said, in order to excuse heretics.
Do you think (honest question) "were once" means that we don't sin
anymore?
Now you are playing word games, trying to equate
the occasional sin, to living in sin, so that you may
excuse it. The Bible is clear. We are saved unto
good works (Eph 2:10). That is why it says, "and
such WERE some of you", in 1 Cor 6:11.
--
Pastor Dave
Don't put a question mark where God put a period.
--
Pastor Dave
Don't put a question mark where God put a period.
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| User: "Jesse" |
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| Title: Re: The Body of Christ and the Church |
18 Sep 2005 05:51:15 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:55:08 GMT, Jesse
<kc2iyh@sbcglobal.net> spake thusly:
I have seen about as much fighting here as a body can watch. I am
appalled at how fellow believers are treating each other. I am using
this newsgroup in my next Bible Study.
I hope you realize that unbelievers see your behaviour. Jesus said
.."they will know you by what you do."
Believers make up about 2% of the people that post
here. That is a fact you need to examine for yourself.
We have people in here promoting "feel good" false
gospels, claiming to be Christians while denying the
Trinity, promoting pro-homosexual agendas and
abortion, while yet, claiming to be Christians. These
things are not the mark of true Christians and the
Bible teaches to rebuke them with all authority and
to outright reject them, because they are not simply,
"the unsaved", but rather, heretics who claim to have
salvation and to those, Jesus said...
"You are of your father the Devil and the lusts of your
father you will do." - John 8:44a
Paul said to Titus, a pastor, when he sent him to
correct the heresies building up in the churches...
Titus 3:10-11
10) After the first and second warning, reject a man
of heresy,
11) knowing that he who is such has been perverted,
and sins, being self-condemned.
And he said...
"Speak these things, and exhort, and rebuke with
all authority. Let no one despise you." - Titus 2:15
1 Cor 12:12-17 says that we are all of one body. Each of us has a talent
or skill that together, we can accomplish great things for the Father,
Son and Holy Spirit.
It says that of actual Christians, not pretenders.
By accepting them, the inside of the church
looks no different than the outside of the church.
Do you think that was God's goal?
And bear in mind, you are doing the very same thing
now, that you claim we shouldn't be doing. :)
We need unity and end all of this divisiveness.
I will gladly be and seek to be divided from those
who claim to be Christians and teach heresies.
That is what God's word says to do. We are to
"come out from among them" and then God will
accept us. See 2 Cor 6:14.
This wasnt intended to blindly accept what they say. I see what they do
and what they teach and I recognize it as false. I can carry on a
conversation with them discussing what they do and teach without
fighting like 3 year olds. If they see the wrong of their ways, we have
won. If they do not see the wrong of their ways and continue in such,
they have lost. No where in my post does it say to compromise with the
heretics and no where in any of my sermons, writings and teachings will
you see me compromising with heretics. I am a soldier for God the
Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit. I serve a risen saviour and
beleive in the God of Isaac, Abraham, and Moses. I standfast with all
true Gospel believing Christians to teach the right Gospel from the
heretic. Paul says if any teaches a different message than the one I
teach, they are false teachers. I have read Pauls Epistles and I believe
they are right and pass the test of the Gospel.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: The Body of Christ and the Church |
18 Sep 2005 05:56:04 PM |
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:51:15 GMT, Jesse
<kc2iyh@sbcglobal.net> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:55:08 GMT, Jesse
<kc2iyh@sbcglobal.net> spake thusly:
I have seen about as much fighting here as a body can watch. I am
appalled at how fellow believers are treating each other. I am using
this newsgroup in my next Bible Study.
I hope you realize that unbelievers see your behaviour. Jesus said
.."they will know you by what you do."
Believers make up about 2% of the people that post
here. That is a fact you need to examine for yourself.
We have people in here promoting "feel good" false
gospels, claiming to be Christians while denying the
Trinity, promoting pro-homosexual agendas and
abortion, while yet, claiming to be Christians. These
things are not the mark of true Christians and the
Bible teaches to rebuke them with all authority and
to outright reject them, because they are not simply,
"the unsaved", but rather, heretics who claim to have
salvation and to those, Jesus said...
"You are of your father the Devil and the lusts of your
father you will do." - John 8:44a
Paul said to Titus, a pastor, when he sent him to
correct the heresies building up in the churches...
Titus 3:10-11
10) After the first and second warning, reject a man
of heresy,
11) knowing that he who is such has been perverted,
and sins, being self-condemned.
And he said...
"Speak these things, and exhort, and rebuke with
all authority. Let no one despise you." - Titus 2:15
1 Cor 12:12-17 says that we are all of one body. Each of us has a talent
or skill that together, we can accomplish great things for the Father,
Son and Holy Spirit.
It says that of actual Christians, not pretenders.
By accepting them, the inside of the church
looks no different than the outside of the church.
Do you think that was God's goal?
And bear in mind, you are doing the very same thing
now, that you claim we shouldn't be doing. :)
We need unity and end all of this divisiveness.
I will gladly be and seek to be divided from those
who claim to be Christians and teach heresies.
That is what God's word says to do. We are to
"come out from among them" and then God will
accept us. See 2 Cor 6:14.
This wasnt intended to blindly accept what they say. I see what they do
and what they teach and I recognize it as false. I can carry on a
conversation with them discussing what they do and teach without
fighting like 3 year olds.
The Bible teaches to reject them.
Paul says if any teaches a different message than the one
teach, they are false teachers.
Then reject them. Don't quote Scripture, while denying
the Scriptures.
Titus 3:10-11
10) After the first and second warning, reject a man
of heresy,
11) knowing that he who is such has been perverted,
and sins, being self-condemned.
And he said...
"Speak these things, and exhort, and rebuke with
all authority. Let no one despise you." - Titus 2:15
--
Pastor Dave
Don't put a question mark where God put a period.
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| User: "Jesse" |
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| Title: Re: The Body of Christ and the Church |
18 Sep 2005 06:23:52 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:51:15 GMT, Jesse
<kc2iyh@sbcglobal.net> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:55:08 GMT, Jesse
<kc2iyh@sbcglobal.net> spake thusly:
I have seen about as much fighting here as a body can watch. I am
appalled at how fellow believers are treating each other. I am using
this newsgroup in my next Bible Study.
I hope you realize that unbelievers see your behaviour. Jesus said
.."they will know you by what you do."
Believers make up about 2% of the people that post
here. That is a fact you need to examine for yourself.
We have people in here promoting "feel good" false
gospels, claiming to be Christians while denying the
Trinity, promoting pro-homosexual agendas and
abortion, while yet, claiming to be Christians. These
things are not the mark of true Christians and the
Bible teaches to rebuke them with all authority and
to outright reject them, because they are not simply,
"the unsaved", but rather, heretics who claim to have
salvation and to those, Jesus said...
"You are of your father the Devil and the lusts of your
father you will do." - John 8:44a
Paul said to Titus, a pastor, when he sent him to
correct the heresies building up in the churches...
Titus 3:10-11
10) After the first and second warning, reject a man
of heresy,
11) knowing that he who is such has been perverted,
and sins, being self-condemned.
And he said...
"Speak these things, and exhort, and rebuke with
all authority. Let no one despise you." - Titus 2:15
1 Cor 12:12-17 says that we are all of one body. Each of us has a talent
or skill that together, we can accomplish great things for the Father,
Son and Holy Spirit.
It says that of actual Christians, not pretenders.
By accepting them, the inside of the church
looks no different than the outside of the church.
Do you think that was God's goal?
And bear in mind, you are doing the very same thing
now, that you claim we shouldn't be doing. :)
We need unity and end all of this divisiveness.
I will gladly be and seek to be divided from those
who claim to be Christians and teach heresies.
That is what God's word says to do. We are to
"come out from among them" and then God will
accept us. See 2 Cor 6:14.
This wasnt intended to blindly accept what they say. I see what they do
and what they teach and I recognize it as false. I can carry on a
conversation with them discussing what they do and teach without
fighting like 3 year olds.
The Bible teaches to reject them.
Paul says if any teaches a different message than the one
teach, they are false teachers.
Then reject them. Don't quote Scripture, while denying
the Scriptures.
Titus 3:10-11
10) After the first and second warning, reject a man
of heresy,
11) knowing that he who is such has been perverted,
and sins, being self-condemned.
And he said...
"Speak these things, and exhort, and rebuke with
all authority. Let no one despise you." - Titus 2:15
Have you given them the first and second warnings?????
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| Title: Re: The Body of Christ and the Church |
19 Sep 2005 07:29:00 AM |
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 23:23:52 GMT, Jesse
<kc2iyh@sbcglobal.net> spake thusly:
Have you given them the first and second warnings?????
Btw, I have also posted the proof of their heresies.
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Pastor Dave
Don't put a question mark where God put a period.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: The Body of Christ and the Church |
19 Sep 2005 07:27:41 AM |
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On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 23:23:52 GMT, Jesse
<kc2iyh@sbcglobal.net> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 22:51:15 GMT, Jesse
<kc2iyh@sbcglobal.net> spake thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:55:08 GMT, Jesse
<kc2iyh@sbcglobal.net> spake thusly:
I have seen about as much fighting here as a body can watch. I am
appalled at how fellow believers are treating each other. I am using
this newsgroup in my next Bible Study.
I hope you realize that unbelievers see your behaviour. Jesus said
.."they will know you by what you do."
Believers make up about 2% of the people that post
here. That is a fact you need to examine for yourself.
We have people in here promoting "feel good" false
gospels, claiming to be Christians while denying the
Trinity, promoting pro-homosexual agendas and
abortion, while yet, claiming to be Christians. These
things are not the mark of true Christians and the
Bible teaches to rebuke them with all authority and
to outright reject them, because they are not simply,
"the unsaved", but rather, heretics who claim to have
salvation and to those, Jesus said...
"You are of your father the Devil and the lusts of your
father you will do." - John 8:44a
Paul said to Titus, a pastor, when he sent him to
correct the heresies building up in the churches...
Titus 3:10-11
10) After the first and second warning, reject a man
of heresy,
11) knowing that he who is such has been perverted,
and sins, being self-condemned.
And he said...
"Speak these things, and exhort, and rebuke with
all authority. Let no one despise you." - Titus 2:15
1 Cor 12:12-17 says that we are all of one body. Each of us has a talent
or skill that together, we can accomplish great things for the Father,
Son and Holy Spirit.
It says that of actual Christians, not pretenders.
By accepting them, the inside of the church
looks no different than the outside of the church.
Do you think that was God's goal?
And bear in mind, you are doing the very same thing
now, that you claim we shouldn't be doing. :)
We need unity and end all of this divisiveness.
I will gladly be and seek to be divided from those
who claim to be Christians and teach heresies.
That is what God's word says to do. We are to
"come out from among them" and then God will
accept us. See 2 Cor 6:14.
This wasnt intended to blindly accept what they say. I see what they do
and what they teach and I recognize it as false. I can carry on a
conversation with them discussing what they do and teach without
fighting like 3 year olds.
The Bible teaches to reject them.
Paul says if any teaches a different message than the one
teach, they are false teachers.
Then reject them. Don't quote Scripture, while denying
the Scriptures.
Titus 3:10-11
10) After the first and second warning, reject a man
of heresy,
11) knowing that he who is such has been perverted,
and sins, being self-condemned.
And he said...
"Speak these things, and exhort, and rebuke with
all authority. Let no one despise you." - Titus 2:15
Have you given them the first and second warnings?????
I've been much more generous than that. :)
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Pastor Dave
Don't put a question mark where God put a period.
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