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User:	"Craig Chilton -- On 1/20/09, itll be BYE-BYE Bushie! Then, GOOD RIDDANCE!"
Date:	03 Mar 2005 05:09:20 PM
Object:	"The "Christian" Right ISN'T. Either one. It is the **Antithesis" of Christianity.

Hate is not a family value. And it has nothing to do with what
Jesus taught His followers, either. His KEY command to them
was for them to love and have compassion for their neighbors.
The cult of the Religious Radical Right comprises only a
mere 6% of the USA's professing Christians, and a far smaller
percentage of those in other nations; usually less than 1%. (I've
fully documented this is some other recent and detailed posts.)
Those folks are comprised of PSEUDO-Christians and deluded
Christians who have ben CONNED by the lying propaganda and
]scare tactics that constantly are spewed by the oligarchical
leadership of the cult... Jerry Falwell (who *started* the loathsome
movement), D. James Kennedy, Beverly La Haye, James Dobson,
Donald Wildmon, Chuck Colson, Gary Bauer, and Cal thomas,
among some lesser ones, and hordes of sympathetic church
leaders. It takes a LOT of hatefulness, lack of intelligence, or
both, for a person to ignore or live in denial of ALL of the relevant
FACTS, in order to be a lemming of the RRR cult.
An example of the scare tactics the leaders employ: the LIE
that "traditional" marriage somehow needs to be "defended"
against same-sex couples being included. Such utter bullcrap
would fool very FEW people capable of normal levels of thinking,
since it is OBVIOUS that **no** opposite-sex couple's marriage
could possibly be negative limpacted in ANY way if a cohabiting
same-sex couple gets married. It takes a LOT of ignorance (or
bigotry... but then, ignorance normally is a prerequisite for being
a bigot) to fall for such tripe on the part of the RRR.
Since 83% of Americans are *professing* Christians, that means
that 5% of all Americans old enough to think about such things are
RRR cultists. Is that a problem? Yes -- because...
RRR : society :: 5% arsenic solution : glass of drinking water
Food for thought. Low intelligence and gullibility go together.
The IQ of 5% of the population is under 70. It would be very inter-
esting to know how closely those two sets overlap... (??)
It would be hard to be more UN-Christian than the average
RRR cultist. That cult -- which desperately claims to be Christian,
so as to cloak itself in whatever remnants of Christianity's image
remains respectable after they've inadvertently portrayed IT as
being hateful, with their high-profile hatefulness and ignorance --
is truly the ANTITHESIS of Christianity
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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User: "Craig Chilton -- On 1/20/09, itll be BYE-BYE Bushie! Then, GOOD RIDDANCE!"
Title: Re: "The "Christian" Right ISN'T. Either one. It is the Antithesis" of Christianity.**	04 Mar 2005 05:44:52 PM

On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:27:26 -0500,
Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote:

"Pr0r3p" <pr0r3p@yahoo.com> wrote:

=== This post subsequently will be a recurring
RESOURCE POST. ===

There are many who use Christ's teachings as way to
try and police other peoples morality.

Their religion requires this. No option.

Actually, Attila, it DOESN'T. As a Christian, I also am one of
the staunchest advocates for personal liberties that you'll find in
these groups. And I also have tried to adhere as well as I can to
the directives in the New Testament. Most Christians attempt to
do that, and we all fail in varying degrees. Since it's impossible
to do that al of the time. As Jesus knew, when He made it clear
that the only two ways to attain eternal life were via Him... or
by living a perfect life. Only the former is possible, and it's a
wondrous gift.
That having been said -- you've already seen that I'm an active
defender of human rights...AND a Christian. How can that be, with-
out conflict? Because God give people free will -- so in line with
that, I fairly and compassionately (in line with Jesus' command to His
followers that they show love and compassion to their neighbors)
defend people's right to EXERCISE it. And because TheBible/
God/Jesus never authorized ANYone to act as **enforcers**
of Biblical precepts. NO one has such authorization... permission...
or was in any way appointed to do that.
= = = = = The Bible authorized/appointed NO Gestapo! = = = = =
Most REAL Christians know better than to think otherwise, and
therefore not only are NOT control-freaks, but have **no** desire
to be such obnoxious and hateful busybodies. (And by "most," I'm
referring to the VAST majority of them!)
The control-freaks are almost entirely found within the SUBSET
of **professing** Christians that's best described as the RRR cult.
The "Religious" Radical Right. Composed of PSEUDO-Christians,
and actual, low-IQ Christians who have been CONNED by the hate-
propaganda of the RRR cult's leaders.
(An even *worse* aspect of the RRR cult is that its leaders -- the
perfect fit for the Biblically-prophecied False Teachers that would
come on the scene with the approach of the End Times -- not only
seek to enforce Biblical precepts, but as well some totally UN-Bib-
lical PHONY dogmas of their **own** devising. Such as their oppo-
sition to abortion -- which is NOwhere supported by the Bible. Even
though abortion already had been widely-practiced and was well-
known for more than 1,000 years before the New Testament books
of the Bible were written, it is NOWHERE condemned, nor even as
much as criticized, **anywhere** in the entire Bible. The RRR cult's
stance against abortion is as phony and as Biblically-grounded as
a 17-dollar bill.) (So -- the RRR cult not only seeks to be enforcers
of he precepts of the Bible that it's picked out, cafeteria-style
[while conveniently ignoring Jesus' command to love their neighbors;
one does not -- for example -- show compassion to millions of women
by seeking to FORCE 9 months of UNwanted gestation upon them
against their will -- a very real 9-month-long form of RAPE]... but it
ALSO seeks to enforce it's own **phony and hateful dogmas.** NO
such Gestapo was authorized or encouraged by the Bible. To see
what Jesus thought of such jerks, take note of His opinion of the
Pharisees. The RRR cult is the modern-day *equivalent* of the
Pharisees... except that most of them are unintelligent victims of
the leaders' deliberate targeting of the lowest IQ cohort of the popu-
lation. It's the only way they can succeed. NO FACTS support the
RRR's loathsome agendas, so they DEPEND upon being able to
con people who are gullible/unintelligent enough not to recognize
that. The RRR cult's oligarchical leaders are loathsomem sihonest,
inscrpulous, and unconscionable. The False Teachers, INDEED!
Why don't the lemings see through their leaders lies? Well -- why
any ANY cult's subsevient and *unquestioning* adherents pro-
grammed so? The leaders of cults are consummate con artists
and expert in the capability to mis-apply psychology upon those
who are susceptible to it. And we can expect that False Teachers
worthy of prophetic mention in the Bible would have to BE that
"skilled.")
In the USA -- which harbors by FAR the highest percentage of the
world's RRR cult lemmings, and probably **all** of the cult's leaders
-- only a mere 6% of America's Christians are such hateful and repres-
sive (and CLUELESS) lemmings. And thay act in that manner on
their OWN hook... and should *never* be confused with the 94%
of American Christians who lend NO active support to the cult's
loathsome anti-human-rights agendas... and indeed, are hardly
even aware that those sociopathic agendas EXIST.
So PLEASE!! Remember this: More than 100,000,000 Americans,
whether actively so or passively so -- are ALLIES of the gays in their
reasonable and justifiable quest for across-the-board EQUAL rights,
including the right to marry their same-sender partners. AND... 83%
of Americans are professing Christians. 6% of THEM are RRR cultists.
The other 94% are NOT.
Do the math.
The MAJORITY of American Christians not only are **not** RRR
cultists -- but MOST of your **allies** (for those reading this who
are gay) are CHRISTIANS.
Please don't trash your friends.
Please keep the justifible blame aimed at the proper target.
America's mere 15,000,000 RRR cultists (counting both the active
and the passive ones. Even most of *them* are passive... except at
the ballot box) -- out of a population of almost 300,000,000) are the
ONLY **professing** Christians that should be targeted for criticism
and condemnation by fair-minded egalitarians.
They are the greatest INTERNAL enemies of American liberties
that exists today. THIS analogy applies. ---
RRR : society :: 5% arsenic solution : glass of drinking water
(And just for a final clarification -- since 83% of Americans are
professing Christians, the RRR cultists comprise 6% of *them* --
but only 5% of the population as a whole. And as sociopaths
who support and promote loathsome agendas against the rights
of millions of Americans, that paricular 1/20th of our population
deserves all the condemnation it can get!)
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
(To e-mail me, just remove the "_")
.

User: "someone"
Title: Re: "The "Christian" Right ISN'T. Either one. It is the Antithesis" of Christianity.**	05 Mar 2005 08:18:39 AM

Craig Chilton -- On 1/20/09, it'll be BYE-BYE Bushie! Then, GOOD
RIDDANCE! wrote:

So PLEASE!! Remember this: More than 100,000,000 Americans,
whether actively so or passively so -- are ALLIES of the gays in

their

reasonable and justifiable quest for across-the-board EQUAL rights,
including the right to marry their same-sender partners. AND... 83%
of Americans are professing Christians. 6% of THEM are RRR cultists.
The other 94% are NOT.

Do the math.

How do you explain the Defense of Marriage Act passing in Oregon with
58 percent of the vote? 240,000 sigs in five weeks were gathered to
put it on the ballot....more than twice the number required. Perhaps
you might want to do the math.
.

User: "Craig Chilton -- On 1/20/09, itll be BYE-BYE Bushie! Then, GOOD RIDDANCE!"
Title: Re: "The "Christian" Right ISN'T. Either one. It is the Antithesis" of Christianity.**	05 Mar 2005 12:36:04 PM

On 5 Mar 2005 06:18:39 -0800,
"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

[ ... ]

So PLEASE!! Remember this: More than 100,000,000 Americans,
whether actively so or passively so -- are ALLIES of the gays in
their reasonable and justifiable quest for across-the-board EQUAL rights,
including the right to marry their same-gender partners. AND... 83%
of Americans are professing Christians. 6% of THEM are RRR cultists.
The other 94% are NOT.

Do the math.

How do you explain the Defense of Marriage Act passing in Oregon
with 58 percent of the vote? 240,000 sigs in five weeks were gathered
to put it on the ballot... more than twice the number required. Perhaps
you might want to do the math.

See the response to your statement, above, by L. Michael Roberts.
I couldn't possibly have said it better.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
.

User: "someone"
Title: Re: "The "Christian" Right ISN'T. Either one. It is the Antithesis" of Christianity.**	06 Mar 2005 08:56:23 AM

Craig Chilton -- On 1/20/09, it'll be BYE-BYE Bushie! Then, GOOD
RIDDANCE! wrote:

On 5 Mar 2005 06:18:39 -0800,
"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

[ ... ]

So PLEASE!! Remember this: More than 100,000,000 Americans,
whether actively so or passively so -- are ALLIES of the gays in
their reasonable and justifiable quest for across-the-board EQUAL

rights,

including the right to marry their same-gender partners. AND...

83%

of Americans are professing Christians. 6% of THEM are RRR

cultists.

The other 94% are NOT.

Do the math.

How do you explain the Defense of Marriage Act passing in

Oregon

with 58 percent of the vote? 240,000 sigs in five weeks were

gathered

to put it on the ballot... more than twice the number required.

Perhaps

you might want to do the math.

See the response to your statement, above, by L. Michael

Roberts.

I couldn't possibly have said it better.

For once, we agree. You can't say anything better than anyone else.
.

User: "Craig Chilton -- On 1/20/09, itll be BYE-BYE Bushie! Then, GOOD RIDDANCE!"
Title: Re: "The "Christian" Right ISN'T. Either one. It is the Antithesis" of Christianity.**	06 Mar 2005 09:25:20 AM

On 6 Mar 2005 06:56:23 -0800,
"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

[ ... ]

So PLEASE!! Remember this: More than 100,000,000
Americans, whether actively so or passively so -- are ALLIES
of the gays in their reasonable and justifiable quest for across-
the-board EQUAL rights, including the right to marry their
same-gender partners. AND... 83% of Americans are
professing Christians. 6% of THEM are RRR cultists.
The other 94% are NOT.

Do the math.

How do you explain the Defense of Marriage Act passing in
Oregon with 58 percent of the vote? 240,000 sigs in five
weeks were gathered to put it on the ballot... more than twice
the number required. Perhaps you might want to do the math.

See the response to your statement, above, by L. Michael
Roberts. I couldn't possibly have said it better. He said:

# "Its pretty easy to whip the bigoted into a froth and
# get them to sign a petition... especially when you have
# religious organizations using their resources for political
# activities."
For once, we agree. You can't say anything better than
anyone else.

Sure I can! Since being an RRR cult lemming/Anti-Choicer/
homophobe and intelligence/commonsense are mutually-exclusive
attributes, I **regularly** make total dog meat of the clueless bigots
here in Usenet. And everywhere else I encounter them. And the
same is true for just about any other sensible and fair-minded
egalitarian you are EVER likely to hear, or see the writings of.
The RRR cult's leaders DEPEND upon recruiting those unfor-
tunate to have been born with limited mental capabilities -- who
thus have the gullibility and susceptability to their lying tripe,
emotional appeals, scare tactics, and propagandistic hate-swill
that is necessary for them to fall for their cons, and be programmed
by them. Whereas, since NO FACTS even EXIST that support
the RRR's loathsome agendas, very FEW intelligent people would
want *anything* to do with their sociopathic and vacuous objectives.
Therefore, no egalitarian would ever have a problem exposing
loons like you for the bigoted losers that you are. Bringing the
relevant FACTS to bear does that every single time!
And just to PROVE that, once again, I'll present the outline
regarding abortion that contains many *facts* that NO Anti-Choicer
has **ever** been able to disprove in the 4-1/2 years that it has
appeared in Usenet.
And I'll watch with amusement as *you*, TOO, duck it, omit it,
ignore it, or make a LAME and half-hearted attempt to disprove
some part of it, which will turn out to be ineffective and ludicrous,
and subsequently will be exposed as such.
One of those outcomes is a CERTAINTY.
ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion terminates entities (z/e/fs: zygotes, embryoes &
fetuses, up until the 7th month of gestation) which have ALL
of these characteristics in common with sperm and ova:
-- Human
-- Unique
-- As a stage of development, indispensible to future birth
-- Have NEVER experienced conscious awareness
-- Alive
...which makes it hypocritical when abortion opponents
try to defend z/e/fs but NOT sperm and ova.
And the Bible, which is the primary moral authority for the
majority of Americans:
-- In NO way condemns abortion
-- Doesn't even MENTION abortion
-- By Jesus' day, abortion had been around for 1,000 yrs.
-- Contains NO defenses of s/o/z/e/fs
-- Reserves ALL of its protection for already-BORN people
-- That the Bible regards personhood to begin at BIRTH is
made clear by it's immense emphasis on the importance
of BIRTH order, and BIRTHrights.
-- In certain cases, condemned BABIES to horrible deaths
-- Never indicates that there is anything "special" about
fertilization
-- Thus making z/e/f and sperm & ova of EQUAL worth
Abortion-on-request enables women to:
-- Put their lives back on track immediately
-- Restore their well-being to pre-unplanned pregnancy levels
-- Vast majority of women are happy with this decision
-- Most women have no regrets
-- Restore their full range of future opportunities
-- Avoid physical difficulties of a 9-month pregnancy
-- Especially important for young girls, ~12-16
-- Statistically 6-10 times safer than carrying-to-term
-- Avoid the trauma of adopting-out, and wondering later
-- Avoid possibility of changing mind about adopting-out
-- Reduce likelihood of long-term economic deprivation
-- Avoid bringing child into less-loving home
-- Avoid bringing child into unstable environment
-- Wait until timing is better before having children
-- Who then are MORE likely to be loved
-- Who then are MORE likely to be in stable home
-- And thus are LESS like to have troubled childhoods
-- And therefore more likely NOT to become criminals
-- And thus are MORE likely to become successful
Legal abortion-on-request:
-- Is exponentially safer than illegal abortions
-- Thus saving the lives of hundreds or thousands of women/yr.
-- Has been available throughout the USA since early 1973
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 30 million women have had them
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 40 million abortions have been done
Other related facts include:
-- MOST women who have abortions go on to HAVE kids later,
when the timing is better
-- Those children would NOT have been born if the abortions
had not taken place earlier, because the same sperm and
ova would not have matched up.
-- Those "2nd-round" kids STARTED reaching age 13 in
significant numbers by 1988. By the early 1990s, millions
of those "2nd-round" kids were in their mid-teens by the
early 1990s.
-- Mid-teens is the highest risk age for crime, and this
continues into the early 20s.
-- As pointed out above, wanted and loved children are
LESS prone to criminal behavior.
-- By 1995, millions of "2nd-round kids" were entering the
workforce. Perhaps a million-plus MORE have entered it
every year SINCE. By 2000, the oldest ones had reached
the age where they could be getting quite successful.
-- Since the early 1990s, the rate of violent crime in the USA
has declined dramatically, and by 2000 was at 40-year
lows in many categories.
-- The decade of the 1990s, and the year 2002 to date, in
the USA, has been the most economically-dynamic of
any nation in the entire history of the world.
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong, despite the temporary anomaly caused by the attack
on Sept. 11, 2001. And a strong U.S. economy benefits the entire
world.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
.

User: "someone"
Title: Re: "The "Christian" Right ISN'T. Either one. It is the Antithesis" of Christianity.**	07 Mar 2005 12:53:26 PM

Craig Chilton -- On 1/20/09, it'll be BYE-BYE Bushie! Then, GOOD
RIDDANCE! wrote:

For once, we agree. You can't say anything better than
anyone else.

Sure I can!

You have yet to prove it. Hint: More isn't necessarily better.
.

User: "Craig Chilton -- On 1/20/09, itll be BYE-BYE Bushie! Then, GOOD RIDDANCE!"
Title: Re: "The "Christian" Right ISN'T. Either one. It is the Antithesis" of Christianity.**	07 Mar 2005 08:59:28 PM

On 7 Mar 2005 10:53:26 -0800,
"someone" Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

For once, we agree. You can't say anything better than
anyone else.

You have yet to prove it. Hint: More isn't necessarily better.

THANKS for providing all the fence-sitters and lurkers who are
viewing this thread with such clear-cut PROOF that RRR cultists
like you are truly **mindless** and cultically-programmed-to-the-hilt,
lockstep-to-disinformation, LEMMINGS.
[[[ READERS: To see this for yourself, compare his
cluelessness, above, with the FACT-FILLED previous
post to which he responded. LOTS of relevant facts.
NONE of which could he even *begin* to disprove. And
worse yet, for *his* loathsome agenda against personal
liberties -- no such thing as a relevant fact even EXISTS
upon which he can draw in order to support his vile and
vacuous agendas of unconscionable hate. ]]]
<Full RESTORATION of previous post> ---
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
On 6 Mar 2005 06:56:23 -0800,
"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

"someone" <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

[ ... ]

So PLEASE!! Remember this: More than 100,000,000
Americans, whether actively so or passively so -- are ALLIES
of the gays in their reasonable and justifiable quest for across-
the-board EQUAL rights, including the right to marry their
same-gender partners. AND... 83% of Americans are
professing Christians. 6% of THEM are RRR cultists.
The other 94% are NOT.

Do the math.

How do you explain the Defense of Marriage Act passing in
Oregon with 58 percent of the vote? 240,000 sigs in five
weeks were gathered to put it on the ballot... more than twice
the number required. Perhaps you might want to do the math.

See the response to your statement, above, by L. Michael
Roberts. I couldn't possibly have said it better. He said:

User: "L. Michael Roberts"
Title: Re: "The "Christian" Right ISN'T. Either one. It is the Antithesis"of Christianity.**	05 Mar 2005 09:25:38 AM

someone wrote:

Craig Chilton -- On 1/20/09, it'll be BYE-BYE Bushie! Then, GOOD
RIDDANCE! wrote:

So PLEASE!! Remember this: More than 100,000,000 Americans,
whether actively so or passively so -- are ALLIES of the gays in

their

How do you explain the Defense of Marriage Act passing in Oregon with
58 percent of the vote?

Make that 58% of the voters who showed up at the polls which is not
necessarily the same as 58% of all registered voters....

240,000 sigs in five weeks were gathered to
put it on the ballot....more than twice the number required.

Its pretty easy to whip the bigoted into a froth and get them to sign a
petition.... especially when you have religious organizations using
their resources for political activities.

Perhaps
you might want to do the math.

You might want to take your own advice.
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
+================================================================+
.

User: "someone"
Title: Re: "The "Christian" Right ISN'T. Either one. It is the Antithesis" of Christianity.**	06 Mar 2005 08:54:51 AM

L. Michael Roberts wrote:

someone wrote:

Craig Chilton -- On 1/20/09, it'll be BYE-BYE Bushie! Then, GOOD
RIDDANCE! wrote:

So PLEASE!! Remember this: More than 100,000,000 Americans,
whether actively so or passively so -- are ALLIES of the gays in

their

reasonable and justifiable quest for across-the-board EQUAL rights,
including the right to marry their same-sender partners. AND...

83%

of Americans are professing Christians. 6% of THEM are RRR

cultists.

The other 94% are NOT.

Do the math.

How do you explain the Defense of Marriage Act passing in Oregon

with

58 percent of the vote?

Make that 58% of the voters who showed up at the polls

You don't have to show up at any polls. You fill out a ballot and mail
it back.

which is not
necessarily the same as 58% of all registered voters....

It's the 58% that counts. People who don't care enough to get out a
pencil and a stamp don't count.

240,000 sigs in five weeks were gathered to
put it on the ballot....more than twice the number required.

Its pretty easy to whip the bigoted into a froth and get them to

sign a

petition.... especially when you have religious organizations using
their resources for political activities.

The other side spent three times as much.

Perhaps
you might want to do the math.

You might want to take your own advice.

The measure I voted for passed. I like the math.
.

User: "Craig Chilton -- On 1/20/09, itll be BYE-BYE Bushie! Then, GOOD RIDDANCE!"
Title: Re: "The "Christian" Right ISN'T. Either one. It is the Antithesis" of Christianity.**	06 Mar 2005 09:44:11 AM

On 6 Mar 2005 06:54:51 -0800,
"someone" Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:

L. Michael Roberts wrote:

"someone" Anonymous wrote:

Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

So PLEASE!! Remember this: More than 100,000,000 Americans,
whether actively so or passively so -- are ALLIES of the gays in
their reasonable and justifiable quest for across-the-board EQUAL
rights, including the right to marry their same-sender partners.
AND... 83% of Americans are professing Christians. 6% of THEM
are RRR cultists. The other 94% are NOT.

Do the math.

How do you explain the Defense of Marriage Act passing in
Oregon with 58 percent of the vote?

The measure I voted for passed. I like the math.

Some Oregonians simply have a little bit more growing up to do.
Fortunately, when the Death with Dignity measure was presen-
ted to them in a referendum, it passed the first time. Then, after
the legislature STUPIDLY forced them to vote on it AGAIN before
it could be implemented, the voters handed those legislators their
***** and very admirably rejected the attempt to interfere with Death
with Dignity, RESOUNDINGLY, by an even *greater* margin. They
had gotten MORE socially liberal/responsible/mature very quickly!
So before too long, *this* will change. Society is OUTGROWING
its mindless bigotries, and those who aren't bigoted but simply are
too busy doing other things will learn to value personal freedoms.
We've seen it over and over again here in America, as prejudicial
and bigoted agendas bite the dust. Since 1865 ---
-- Slavery -- EXTINCT
-- Opposition to Women's Suffage -- EXTINCT
-- Prohibition -- EXTINCT
-- Opposition to Birth-Control Pill -- EXTINCT
-- Segregation -- EXTINCT
-- Anti-Semitism -- ENDANGERED (Thankfully)
-- Anti-Choice (abortion) -- LAUGHINGSTOCK STATUS
-- Opposition to EQUAL Rights for Gays -- FADING FAST
Segregationists were a JOKE (i.e., "laughingstock status")
during the last few years before it became extinct. As opposition
to EQUAL rights for gays (with respect to housing, being parents,
marriage, and employment) continues to fade, the remaining
opponents first will become laughingstocks, and then that
hatefulness will end in extinction. constant consciousness-raising,
as is happening with tonight's "Primetime Thursday" episode on
ABC, featuring Rosie O'Donnell, is very helpful. (MOST of the
reporters and commentators in the MEDIA are INTELLIGENT...
with occasional exceptions, like George Will, who has a good IQ,
but wastes it on hyperconservatism.)
Historical precedents have CONSISTENTLY proven that
Americans OUTGROW movements of intolerance (such as ALL
of the above), and then REJECT them -- leaving them behind
FOREVER.
And THAT is EXTINCTION.
Just as Oregan very intelligently, honorably, and compassionately
became the FIRST state to legalize Death with Dignity, we can it
expect to *become* one of the next states, ultimately, to REJECT
the barriers to same-sex marriage. Even though 58% of its voters
had formerly accepted those inane barriers.
It's only a matter of time. It's inevitable. As a former Oregonian
myself (Junction City), I have confidence in the basically GOOD
people in that state to accomplish that -- and to tell the RRR cult
to take a flying leap into the abyss of extinction. Where it belongs.
Permanently.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Every time a person supports bigotry in public, and presents NO
relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate destination.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
(E-Mail address is valid when removing _ from it.)
.

User: "Attila"
Title: Re: "The "Christian" Right ISN'T. Either one. It is the Antithesis" of Christianity.**	04 Mar 2005 04:56:43 AM

On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:45:39 -0500, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
in alt.abortion with message-id
<AMQVd.818$6g7.127@bignews1.bellsouth.net> wrote:

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Johnny wrote:

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Johnny wrote:

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Johnny wrote:

"Craig Chilton -- On 1/20/09, it'll be BYE-BYE Bushie! Then,
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Hate is not a family value.

Why do you do it so much then?

Why do you fear what he wrote so much that you need to delete it?

I don't fear what he wrote.
I was showing what Chilton is really about.
He is about HATE.
He hates good.
He is for evil and against good.
Chilton is to be hated because it is how he treats others.

Christian love?

Yes.

Is that something like Compassionate Conservative?

Compassion is not afforded to those who fail to demonstrate it.

You are a Christian with asterisks*

*exceptions for everything you don't like

Where is the asterisk in not affording compassion to those who fail
to show it to others?
I am an equal measure type person.
You do me wrong, then I do not like you.

Turn the other cheek? No? Not that one?

What cheek?
Are you a misinterpreter?
I do not like wimpy doctrines which are used by evil people to foster
predatorial actions against others.
You want compassion then you better line up and practice the Christ teaching
instead of using it as a means to get over on people.

Prove such a person ever existed and taught anything.

There are many who use Christ's teachings as a means to gain an advantage
over true believers.
Are you in that damnable group?
Wolves are too stupid, and they are loading up for the day they will be
judged by their own measure.

User: "L. Michael Roberts"
Title: Re: "The "Christian" Right ISN'T. Either one. It is the Antithesis"of Christianity.**	05 Mar 2005 09:27:25 AM

Johnny wrote:

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Johnny wrote:

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Johnny wrote:

<snip>

Is that something like Compassionate Conservative?

Compassion is not afforded to those who fail to demonstrate it.

So much for "Love thy neighbour" and "turn the other cheek"!
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
+================================================================+
.

User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: "The "Christian" Right ISN'T. Either one. It is the Antithesis" of Christianity.**	05 Mar 2005 04:03:32 PM

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Johnny wrote:

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Johnny wrote:

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:

<snip>

Is that something like Compassionate Conservative?

Compassion is not afforded to those who fail to demonstrate it.

So much for "Love thy neighbour" and "turn the other cheek"!

Too bad I am smarter than to let people like you use the Christian doctrine
against others.
You want to be able to steal from people and to attack them and then expect
them to love you and to turn their other cheek to you?
Well, FYI, that is NOT the proper application of Christianity.
What you dish out is what you can expect to receive in return.
.

User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey"
Title: Re: "The "Christian" Right ISN'T. Either one. It is the Antithesis" of Christianity.**	05 Mar 2005 06:07:27 PM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

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Johnny wrote:

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Johnny wrote:

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:

<snip>

Is that something like Compassionate Conservative?

Compassion is not afforded to those who fail to demonstrate it.

So much for "Love thy neighbour" and "turn the other cheek"!

Too bad I am smarter than to let people like you use the Christian doctrine
against others.

Too bad you're not fooling anyone with your delusions of authority.

You want to be able to steal from people and to attack them and then expect
them to love you and to turn their other cheek to you?

You just make up your questions as you go.

Well, FYI, that is NOT the proper application of Christianity.
What you dish out is what you can expect to receive in return.

Too bad your alleged god -- assuming there is such a creature in the first
place -- didn't give you any authority to judge anything.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 3, Hartford 1 (March 4)
NEXT GAME: Monday, March 7 vs. Grand Rapids (at St. Paul), 7:35
.

User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: "The "Christian" Right ISN'T. Either one. It is the Antithesis" of Christianity.**	05 Mar 2005 08:39:31 PM

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

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Johnny wrote:

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Johnny wrote:

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:

<snip>

Is that something like Compassionate Conservative?

Compassion is not afforded to those who fail to demonstrate it.

So much for "Love thy neighbour" and "turn the other cheek"!

Too bad I am smarter than to let people like you use the Christian
doctrine
against others.

Too bad you're not fooling anyone with your delusions of authority.

Smart and authority are the same thing?

You want to be able to steal from people and to attack them and then
expect
them to love you and to turn their other cheek to you?

You just make up your questions as you go.

Not much.

Well, FYI, that is NOT the proper application of Christianity.
What you dish out is what you can expect to receive in return.

Too bad your alleged god -- assuming there is such a creature in the first
place -- didn't give you any authority to judge anything.

Patrick, sir.
If you refer to the New Testament, Jesus gave people the authority to judge.
Imo, our checks and balances are a manifestation of such.
Imo, the original setup here was a very good setup.
Freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free speech.
The laws are there to protect others from those who would have transgressed
them.
When it is unbiased, as they say justice is blind, the system seems to work
better and fewer people seem to fall.
I still think you are quite smart, but I sometimes wonder if you are
addicted to the political correctness.
And, there is your wife, Dale, who I am not trying to slander at all.
If you know the Bible, whether you believe it or not, remember how it
addresses the fact that the woman was first deceived by the serpent, and
then the man partook from her.
Maybe you don't want to hear that, but even I know how easy it is to do
something that maybe you wouldn'ta done without the influence of a female.
.

User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey"
Title: Re: "The "Christian" Right ISN'T. Either one. It is the Antithesis" of Christianity.**	06 Mar 2005 01:12:45 AM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

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Johnny wrote:

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Johnny wrote:

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:

<snip>

Is that something like Compassionate Conservative?

Compassion is not afforded to those who fail to demonstrate it.

So much for "Love thy neighbour" and "turn the other cheek"!

Too bad I am smarter than to let people like you use the Christian doctrine
against others.

Too bad you're not fooling anyone with your delusions of authority.

Smart and authority are the same thing?

Not necessarily...and in your case, definitely not.

You want to be able to steal from people and to attack them and then expect
them to love you and to turn their other cheek to you?

You just make up your questions as you go.

Not much.

Thanks for giving the game away, then.

Well, FYI, that is NOT the proper application of Christianity.
What you dish out is what you can expect to receive in return.

Too bad your alleged god -- assuming there is such a creature in the first
place -- didn't give you any authority to judge anything.

Patrick, sir.
If you refer to the New Testament, Jesus gave people the authority to judge.

Really? Precisely where did he do that? Seems to me ol' JC had something to
say about that in the start of Matthew 7...and it's not what you're claiming.

Imo, our checks and balances are a manifestation of such.
Imo, the original setup here was a very good setup.
Freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free speech.
The laws are there to protect others from those who would have transgressed
them.

Mostly so. Now, if you could be troubled to actually understand what the
intent is...

When it is unbiased, as they say justice is blind, the system seems to work
better and fewer people seem to fall. I still think you are quite smart, but
I sometimes wonder if you are addicted to the political correctness.

To hell with political correctness. Here's to just being right.

And, there is your wife, Dale, who I am not trying to slander at all.

....but managing to insinuate sleazy things about, anyway.

If you know the Bible, whether you believe it or not, remember how it
addresses the fact that the woman was first deceived by the serpent, and
then the man partook from her.

So? That's a myth, in case you haven't noticed. It's got nothing to do with
my marriage, or anything else in reality.

Maybe you don't want to hear that, but even I know how easy it is to do
something that maybe you wouldn'ta done without the influence of a female.

You're still a psychotic moron, John D. Wentzky of Anderson, SC. I'm giving
you my opinions, and if you don't like them, you *do* have the freedom to
ignore me. Obviously, you're too stupid to be able to figure that out.
My wife and I are pro-choice, and were pro-choice before we knew of each
other's existence...and all those years later, we're still pro-choice, just
now as parents and grandparents. Choke on _that_ fact you can't tolerate,
Bubba.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 3, Hartford 1 (March 4)
NEXT GAME: Monday, March 7 vs. Grand Rapids (at St. Paul), 7:35
.

User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: "The "Christian" Right ISN'T. Either one. It is the Antithesis" of Christianity.**	06 Mar 2005 07:30:56 AM

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:

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Johnny wrote:

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:

<snip>

Is that something like Compassionate Conservative?

Compassion is not afforded to those who fail to demonstrate it.

So much for "Love thy neighbour" and "turn the other cheek"!

Too bad I am smarter than to let people like you use the Christian
doctrine
against others.

Too bad you're not fooling anyone with your delusions of authority.

Smart and authority are the same thing?

Not necessarily...and in your case, definitely not.

You want to be able to steal from people and to attack them and then
expect
them to love you and to turn their other cheek to you?

You just make up your questions as you go.

Not much.

Thanks for giving the game away, then.

Well, FYI, that is NOT the proper application of Christianity.
What you dish out is what you can expect to receive in return.

Too bad your alleged god -- assuming there is such a creature in the
first
place -- didn't give you any authority to judge anything.

Patrick, sir.
If you refer to the New Testament, Jesus gave people the authority to
judge.

Really? Precisely where did he do that? Seems to me ol' JC had something
to
say about that in the start of Matthew 7...and it's not what you're
claiming.

We can judge.
He said, "Judge not, lest ye be judged."
And, he also goes on to say by your measure it shall be measured unto you,
and by your standard of judgment ye shall be judged.
Right?
Another interpretation says, "Condemn not, lest ye be condemned."
Lest does not mean it will happen.
It is advice.
Some people are better suited at not judging, one reason is because their
life is so peachy keen and they are not neglected by the hypocrites and the
liars and the unjust uncompassionate hardasses here.
If some didn't do me so badly, I would not be so pissed about their crap.
And, I rely on Jesus' words in this instance.
I expect them to be judged by their own measure.
I do not have much hope for them.
They will get what they deserve, and that could be something they really
don't want.

Mostly so. Now, if you could be troubled to actually understand what the
intent is...

When it is unbiased, as they say justice is blind, the system seems to
work
better and fewer people seem to fall. I still think you are quite smart,
but
I sometimes wonder if you are addicted to the political correctness.

To hell with political correctness. Here's to just being right.

Cool.

And, there is your wife, Dale, who I am not trying to slander at all.

...but managing to insinuate sleazy things about, anyway.

If you know the Bible, whether you believe it or not, remember how it
addresses the fact that the woman was first deceived by the serpent, and
then the man partook from her.

So? That's a myth, in case you haven't noticed.

Whether you think it is myth or not it is still very appropriate, maybe not
in your particular case, but it is very enlightening if you understand it
well enough.

It's got nothing to do with
my marriage, or anything else in reality.

Maybe you don't want to hear that, but even I know how easy it is to do
something that maybe you wouldn'ta done without the influence of a female.

*****-whipped?
LOL!!!!!!!!!
It is sorta the same thing.

--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 3, Hartford 1 (March 4)
NEXT GAME: Monday, March 7 vs. Grand Rapids (at St. Paul), 7:35

User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey"
Title: Re: "The "Christian" Right ISN'T. Either one. It is the Antithesis" of Christianity.**	06 Mar 2005 11:06:36 AM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szkzmxhprgg.fsf@fnord.io.com...

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

[...]

Well, FYI, that is NOT the proper application of Christianity.
What you dish out is what you can expect to receive in return.

Too bad your alleged god -- assuming there is such a creature in the
first place -- didn't give you any authority to judge anything.

Patrick, sir. If you refer to the New Testament, Jesus gave people the
authority to judge.

Really? Precisely where did he do that? Seems to me ol' JC had something
to say about that in the start of Matthew 7...and it's not what you're
claiming.

So, when your supposed savior says something you agree with, it's a
commandment, but when it's not convenient for your purposes, it's just advice?
That explains a lot about you.

Some people are better suited at not judging, one reason is because their
life is so peachy keen and they are not neglected by the hypocrites and the
liars and the unjust uncompassionate hardasses here. If some didn't do me so
badly, I would not be so pissed about their crap. And, I rely on Jesus'
words in this instance. I expect them to be judged by their own measure. I
do not have much hope for them. They will get what they deserve, and that
could be something they really don't want.

Poor baby...get over yourself and get a life. You still have that right.
You're not getting any sympathy from a lot of people by your current "poor,
pitiful me" approach.
[...]

When it is unbiased, as they say justice is blind, the system seems to work
better and fewer people seem to fall. I still think you are quite smart,
but I sometimes wonder if you are addicted to the political correctness.

To hell with political correctness. Here's to just being right.

Cool.

You'll be screaming like the stuck pig you are once I'm right and you're on
the other side of the issue.
[...]

If you know the Bible, whether you believe it or not, remember how it
addresses the fact that the woman was first deceived by the serpent, and
then the man partook from her.

So? That's a myth, in case you haven't noticed.

Whether you think it is myth or not it is still very appropriate, maybe not
in your particular case, but it is very enlightening if you understand it
well enough.

It's a myth, moron. Full stop. If there was an actual event it was based on,
that event is so long ago that trying to document it is pointless.

Maybe you don't want to hear that, but even I know how easy it is to do
something that maybe you wouldn'ta done without the influence of a female.

*****-whipped? LOL!!!!!!!!! It is sorta the same thing.

Only to a 43-year-old professional virgin named John D. Wentzky, anyway.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 3, Hartford 1 (March 4)
NEXT GAME: Monday, March 7 vs. Grand Rapids (at St. Paul), 7:35
.

User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: "The "Christian" Right ISN'T. Either one. It is the Antithesis" of Christianity.**	06 Mar 2005 05:09:34 PM

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szkzmxhprgg.fsf@fnord.io.com...

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

[...]

Well, FYI, that is NOT the proper application of Christianity.
What you dish out is what you can expect to receive in return.

Too bad your alleged god -- assuming there is such a creature in the
first place -- didn't give you any authority to judge anything.

Patrick, sir. If you refer to the New Testament, Jesus gave people the
authority to judge.

Really? Precisely where did he do that? Seems to me ol' JC had
something
to say about that in the start of Matthew 7...and it's not what you're
claiming.

So, when your supposed savior says something you agree with, it's a
commandment, but when it's not convenient for your purposes, it's just
advice?
That explains a lot about you.

Some people are better suited at not judging, one reason is because their
life is so peachy keen and they are not neglected by the hypocrites and
the
liars and the unjust uncompassionate hardasses here. If some didn't do me
so
badly, I would not be so pissed about their crap. And, I rely on Jesus'
words in this instance. I expect them to be judged by their own measure.
I
do not have much hope for them. They will get what they deserve, and that
could be something they really don't want.

Poor baby...get over yourself and get a life. You still have that right.
You're not getting any sympathy from a lot of people by your current
"poor,
pitiful me" approach.

[...]

When it is unbiased, as they say justice is blind, the system seems to
work
better and fewer people seem to fall. I still think you are quite
smart,
but I sometimes wonder if you are addicted to the political correctness.

To hell with political correctness. Here's to just being right.

Cool.

You'll be screaming like the stuck pig you are once I'm right and you're
on
the other side of the issue.

[...]

If you know the Bible, whether you believe it or not, remember how it
addresses the fact that the woman was first deceived by the serpent, and
then the man partook from her.

So? That's a myth, in case you haven't noticed.

Whether you think it is myth or not it is still very appropriate, maybe
not
in your particular case, but it is very enlightening if you understand it
well enough.

It's a myth, moron. Full stop. If there was an actual event it was based
on,
that event is so long ago that trying to document it is pointless.

You got any idea when that story was written?
It was a long time ago.
A very long time ago.

Maybe you don't want to hear that, but even I know how easy it is to do
something that maybe you wouldn'ta done without the influence of a
female.

*****-whipped? LOL!!!!!!!!! It is sorta the same thing.

Only to a 43-year-old professional virgin named John D. Wentzky, anyway.

--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 3, Hartford 1 (March 4)
NEXT GAME: Monday, March 7 vs. Grand Rapids (at St. Paul), 7:35

User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey"
Title: Re: "The "Christian" Right ISN'T. Either one. It is the Antithesis" of Christianity.**	06 Mar 2005 10:09:09 PM

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
news:szky8d15jte.fsf@fnord.io.com...

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

[...]

If you know the Bible, whether you believe it or not, remember how it
addresses the fact that the woman was first deceived by the serpent, and
then the man partook from her.

So? That's a myth, in case you haven't noticed.

Whether you think it is myth or not it is still very appropriate, maybe not
in your particular case, but it is very enlightening if you understand it
well enough.

It's a myth, moron. Full stop. If there was an actual event it was based
on, that event is so long ago that trying to document it is pointless.

You got any idea when that story was written? It was a long time ago. A
very long time ago.

Maybe 4 x 10� is a very big number to you (at least in terms of years), but
humanity in that part of the world goes back quite a bit further than just
four millennia. That doesn't do anything to establish its proof.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2004-05 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Houston 3, Hartford 1 (March 4)
NEXT GAME: Monday, March 7 vs. Grand Rapids (at St. Paul), 7:35
.

User: "Rich Travsky "
Title: Re: "The "Christian" Right ISN'T. Either one. It is the Antithesis"of Christianity.**	06 Mar 2005 10:47:00 PM

Patrick Lee Humphrey wrote:

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

[...]

Well, FYI, that is NOT the proper application of Christianity.
What you dish out is what you can expect to receive in return.

Too bad your alleged god -- assuming there is such a creature in the
first place -- didn't give you any authority to judge anything.

Patrick, sir. If you refer to the New Testament, Jesus gave people the
authority to judge.

Really? Precisely where did he do that? Seems to me ol' JC had something
to say about that in the start of Matthew 7...and it's not what you're
claiming.

So, when your supposed savior says something you agree with, it's a
commandment, but when it's not convenient for your purposes, it's just advice?
That explains a lot about you.

This is par for the course for fundies.

...

User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey"
Title: Re: "The "Christian" Right ISN'T. Either one. It is the Antithesis" of Christianity.**	07 Mar 2005 12:16:40 AM

Rich Travsky <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> writes:

Patrick Lee Humphrey wrote:

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

"Patrick Lee Humphrey" <patrick@io.com> wrote in message
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"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> writes:

[...]

Well, FYI, that is NOT the proper application of Christianity.
What you dish out is what you can expect to receive in return.

Too bad your alleged god -- assuming there is such a creature in the
first place -- didn't give you any authority to judge anything.

Patrick, sir. If you refer to the New Testament, Jesus gave people the
authority to judge.

Really? Precisely where did he do that? Seems to me ol' JC had
something to say about that in the start of Matthew 7...and it's not
what you're claiming.

So, when your supposed savior says something you agree with, it's a
commandment, but when it's not convenient for your purposes, it's just
advice? That explains a lot about you.

This is par for the course for fundies.

You know that, I know that, but to Johnny, such concepts are post-graduate
knowledge...
--
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User: "L. Michael Roberts"
Title: Re: "The "Christian" Right ISN'T. Either one. It is the Antithesis"of Christianity.**	05 Mar 2005 08:09:30 PM

Johnny wrote:

"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:

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Johnny wrote:

<snip>

Is that something like Compassionate Conservative?

Compassion is not afforded to those who fail to demonstrate it.

So much for "Love thy neighbour" and "turn the other cheek"!

Too bad I am smarter than to let people like you use the Christian doctrine
against others.

I am not using it "against" anyone... I just expect that those who
claim to be Christians [especially when they proclaim it loudly and
publicly] should be expect to live according to the standards of their
espoused religion. If people don't want to be held to the standards of
their religion, then they should keep their chosen religious behaviours
private.

You want to be able to steal from people and to attack them and then expect
them to love you and to turn their other cheek to you?
Well, FYI, that is NOT the proper application of Christianity.
What you dish out is what you can expect to receive in return.

Why that sounds like the guiding principal of Wicca... so I guess you
are a Wiccan [pagan] not a Christian.
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User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: "The "Christian" Right ISN'T. Either one. It is the Antithesis" of Christianity.**	05 Mar 2005 08:52:15 PM

"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:

"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Roberts@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:

"Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Johnny wrote:

<snip>

Is that something like Compassionate Conservative?

Compassion is not afforded to those who fail to demonstrate it.

So much for "Love thy neighbour" and "turn the other cheek"!

Too bad I am smarter than to let people like you use the Christian
doctrine against others.

While you don't?
Too bad you aren't 100 percent versed in the Christian faith.
I am entitled to treat you as you treat others whether you think it goes
along with the Christian faith or not.
You did not know that part of the Christian faith, did you?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!

If people don't want to be held to the standards of their religion, then
they should keep their chosen religious behaviours private.

Once you trasngerss a tenet of Christianity, I am entitled to exact your
standard of measure upon yourself.
That is a very Christian thing to do.
You have no freedom to transgress anyone that way, and especially not with
the knowledge which you cited about how Christians are supposed to turn the
other cheek if they are slapped by some non-Christian.
If you employ your knowledge of the Christian faith as a method to gain an
advantage over lambs, then you are inculcated of a mroe severe guilt, and
since you would be known to be praqcticing a form of usuriousness you would
be required to make payment accordingly.
If you think you can not be found out, you are severely mistaken.

You