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"Donna Kupp" |
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24 Jun 2007 12:56:51 AM |
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THE DISSEMBLERS OF MODERN CHRISTIANITY |
"Judge me, O LORD; for I have walked in mine
integrity: I have trusted also in the LORD;
therefore I shall not slide.
Examine me, O LORD, and prove me;
try my reins and my heart.
For thy lovingkindness is before mine eyes:
and I have walked in **thy truth**.
I have not sat with vain persons,
neither will I go in with DISSEMBLERS.
I have hated the congregation of evil doers;
and will not sit with the wicked." Ps 26:1-5
Throughout the scriptures, the Spirit of Christ shows that God's Law
and God's Grace are in perfect agreement. People of true faith walk
in integrity as they obey the Commandments of God. Indeed, the
scriptures teach that only when we walk in ALL the Commandments of
God, do we walk in "thy truth" ...
"Thou art near, O LORD; and
ALL THY COMMANDMENTS ARE TRUTH."
Psalms 119:51
Jesus, the prophets, and the apostles agree that people EITHER obey
all the commandments of God -- OR, they are wicked-evil-doers. So
who is a dissembler?
DISSEMBLER: to hide under a false appearance.
2. to pretend: to disguise oneself to conceal ones
motives. Deceive.
The Ten Commandments are truth. So, a dissembler will deceive by
changing those words of God. For example: the hypocritical Pharisees
ADDED the traditions of men to the
Commandments of God; and Antinomian Churchmen DIMINISH the
Commandments of God by saying: "under the gospel dispensation, the
moral law is of no use or obligation, faith alone being necessary to
salvation." In both cases, the dissembler is a hypocrite who
deceives by tampering with the truth of God's Law. He professes to
love God; but refuses to obey Him.
Under the pretext of extolling God's grace, the dissemblers of
modern Christianity will often use the words "legalism", "legalist"
or "legalistic" as an ad hominem argument against
the faithful teachers who are showing God's people their sins and
calling them to repentance.
It is no wonder that immature Christians are prone to believe a stigma
is attached to legalism. The dissemblers of Christianity sound so
authoritative and pedagogic when
they make their assertions that "legalism" lacks mercy and is void of
love; when they allege that it comes from impure motives; and, when
they compare "legalists" with the
hypocritical Pharisees who added the heavy burdens of tradition to the
Commandments of God --but you will soon see the treachery of the
dissemblers when you come to realize that
JESUS CHRIST WAS A LEGALIST!
It was Jesus who said:
"... if thou wilt enter into life, keep the Commandments." Matt
19:17 (KJV)
It was Jesus who said:
"And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it
away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your
whole body to go into hell." Matt 5:30 (NIV)
It was the resurrected Jesus who commissioned His disciples with these
words:
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of
the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to
observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: ..." Matt
28:19-20
Jesus Christ: "Depart from me, you who practice LAWLESSNESS " * Matt
7:23.
When you read Matthew 7:21-29, you will see those are the words that
Jesus will say to the people who called Him "Lord" but refused to
obey Him. Those many people (who will be rejected on judgment day)
will have this one thing in common: they were NOT LEGALISTS!
Donna Kupp
* (The KJV translates lawlessness as "iniquity". It is the Greek
word "anomia" which means without law.)
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| User: "Ben Mitts" |
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| Title: Re: THE DISSEMBLERS OF MODERN CHRISTIANITY |
24 Jun 2007 11:43:34 AM |
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Donna Kupp wrote:
The Ten Commandments are truth. So, a dissembler will deceive by
changing those words of God. For example: the hypocritical Pharisees
ADDED the traditions of men to the
Commandments of God; and Antinomian Churchmen DIMINISH the
Commandments of God by saying: "under the gospel dispensation, the
moral law is of no use or obligation, faith alone being necessary to
salvation." In both cases, the dissembler is a hypocrite who
deceives by tampering with the truth of God's Law. He professes to
love God; but refuses to obey Him.
So Donna! Answer me this sense
you ignored my other posting!
Do you teach one is to either ignore
or throw out Galatians Chapter 3?
just a little reminder here:
Gal 3:10-14;
10 For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a
curse; for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO
DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE
BOOK OF THE LAW, TO PERFORM THEM."
11 Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is
evident; for, "THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY
FAITH."
12 However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, "(HE
WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM."
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having
become a curse for us--for it is written, "CURSED IS
EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE"--
14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham
might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive
the promise of the Spirit through faith.
From the above Scriptures it looks like
those who are live(obey) the Ten Command-
ments will never be justified before God
If the ones you teach this heresy choose
to follow you will die and go to hell because
they did no live by The Law of Faith- which
is also taught in Galatians 3 as the other
Law you totally deny as what is to be lived
by in order for one to see the Kingdom of
Heaven
--
Peace!
Sincerely,
Ben mitts :)
2) preach the word; be ready in season and out of season;
reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.
(3) For the time will come when they will not endure sound
doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will
accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their
own desires, (4) and will turn away their ears from the truth
and will turn aside to myths.(2 Tim 4:2-4)
From The Word of God: And as Moses lifted up the serpent in
the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that
whoever believes may in Him have eternal life." Therefore we
may, as many will to do so: "But as many as received Him, to
them He gave the right to become children of God, even to
those who believe in His name," (John 1:12)
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| User: "Provoker" |
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| Title: Re: THE DISSEMBLERS OF MODERN CHRISTIANITY |
24 Jun 2007 09:39:47 AM |
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On Jun 24, 1:56 am, Donna Kupp <d...@charter.net> wrote:
"Judge me, O LORD; for I have walked in mine
integrity: I have trusted also in the LORD;
therefore I shall not slide.
Examine me, O LORD, and prove me;
try my reins and my heart.
For thy lovingkindness is before mine eyes:
and I have walked in **thy truth**.
I have not sat with vain persons,
neither will I go in with DISSEMBLERS.
I have hated the congregation of evil doers;
and will not sit with the wicked." Ps 26:1-5
Hello Donna:
The situation to which David refers, changed completely when Israel
fell into non-existence at the end of Solomon's reign. "The law" was
specificly given only to "A people" not "individual people", and
therefore had no chosen nation to apply to after the fall of the
chosen nation.
No one has been under the laws given to covenant Israel since the fall
of covenant Israel, and no one will be under the laws given to
covenant Israel until covenant Israel is resurrected from the dead.
The body of christ, which Jesus began to build, for the coming christ
to lead to kingdom resurrection, must continue to enlarge, and
continue to remain united, so Jesus did not want lawless people among
his followers. Jesus expected his followers to be law abiding, and
that means to follow the Roman laws which applied to them in Roman
ruled Judea. As Paul points out, the laws of all nations are made to
keep society civil, so it is important to keep the laws of the nation
in which one lives, until the body of christ is large enough to take
back the promised land and resurrect the Davidic kingdom.
Jesus required his followers to love God and love one another, but
they were under no legal obligation to God, because God had given His
laws to a nation which had not existed for 1000 years. Imposing laws
on those who are free from any legal obligation to those law, was
simply an exercise in maintaining the necessary unity within the
body. After all it was division which caused the fall of the chosen
nation in the first place, so it will take a united body to resurrect
the chosen nation.
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| User: "Donna Kupp" |
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| Title: Re: THE DISSEMBLERS OF MODERN CHRISTIANITY /// THE NEW COVENANT ... |
24 Jun 2007 10:11:32 AM |
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On Jun 24, 7:39 am, Provoker <provoke...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 24, 1:56 am, Donna Kupp <d...@charter.net> wrote:
"Judge me, O LORD; for I have walked in mine
integrity: I have trusted also in the LORD;
therefore I shall not slide.
Examine me, O LORD, and prove me;
try my reins and my heart.
For thy lovingkindness is before mine eyes:
and I have walked in **thy truth**.
I have not sat with vain persons,
neither will I go in with DISSEMBLERS.
I have hated the congregation of evil doers;
and will not sit with the wicked." Ps 26:1-5
Hello Donna:
The situation to which David refers, changed completely when Israel
fell into non-existence at the end of Solomon's reign. "The law" was
specificly given only to "A people" not "individual people", and
therefore had no chosen nation to apply to after the fall of the
chosen nation.
No one has been under the laws given to covenant Israel since the fall
of covenant Israel, and no one will be under the laws given to
covenant Israel until covenant Israel is resurrected from the dead.
The body of christ, which Jesus began to build, for the coming christ
to lead to kingdom resurrection, must continue to enlarge, and
continue to remain united, so Jesus did not want lawless people among
his followers. Jesus expected his followers to be law abiding, and
that means to follow the Roman laws which applied to them in Roman
ruled Judea. As Paul points out, the laws of all nations are made to
keep society civil, so it is important to keep the laws of the nation
in which one lives, until the body of christ is large enough to take
back the promised land and resurrect the Davidic kingdom.
Jesus required his followers to love God and love one another, but
they were under no legal obligation to God, because God had given His
laws to a nation which had not existed for 1000 years. Imposing laws
on those who are free from any legal obligation to those law, was
simply an exercise in maintaining the necessary unity within the
body. After all it was division which caused the fall of the chosen
nation in the first place, so it will take a united body to resurrect
the chosen nation.
Donna writes:
The Old Covenant and The New Covenant are with The Israel of God. If
we are not of Israel --then we have no hope.
"That at that time ye [Gentiles] were without Christ,
being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and
strangers from the covenants of promise, HAVING NO
HOPE, and without God in the world" Eph 2:11-12
The New Covenant (that was established with the blood of Christ) is
with the house of Israel and the house of Judah:
"For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days
come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant
with
**the house of Israel and with the house of Judah**
Not according to the covenant that I made with their
fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead
them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued
not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the
Lord.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house
of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; **I will put my
laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I
will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a
people,**" Heb 8:8-10
THE OLD COVENANT WAS WITH ISRAEL
AND WAS WRITTEN IN STONE
THE NEW COVENANT IS WITH ISRAEL
AND IS WRITTEN IN THE HEART
BUT THE COMMANDMENTS REMAIN THE SAME
Today, Gentiles and Jews, who have faith in Jesus Christ are the
Israel of God. We MUST obey The Ten Commandments and the teaching of
Jesus --and our salvation DOES depend upon that obedience. Jesus
Christ, The Judge, gives his last warning to the churches:
"Blessed are they that DO his commandments,
that they may have right to the tree of life,
and may enter in through the gates into the city.
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers,
and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth
and maketh a lie." Rev 22:14-15 (KJV)
Except for a remnant of faithful believers, ancient Israel was cut off
from God because of their unbelief and disobedience. Paul warned the
Roman Christians to not be high-minded; but to fear God and obey Him.
He cut off the disobedient branches of The Old Covenant and He will
also cut off the disobedient branches of The New Covenant. (Romans
11:17-22)
Donna Kupp
Note:
Jews and Gentiles must be *in Christ Jesus* to be a new creature.
"FOR IN CHRIST JESUS neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor
uncircumcision, BUT A NEW CREATURE." Gal 6:15 (KJV)
QUESTION: How do we know that we are in Christ Jesus?
ANSWER:
"**And he that keepeth his commandments** DWELLETH IN HIM, and he in
him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which
he hath given us." I Jn 3:24 (KJV)
The indwelling Holy Spirit gives the new creation the enabling power
to stop committing sin. Through the Holy Spirit, we MUST put to death
the sinful deeds of the flesh --or we will perish on judgement day.
"For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die:
but if ye through the Spirit
do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live."
Romans 8:13 (KJV)
dk
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www.freetruth.info
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| User: "Provoker" |
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| Title: Re: THE DISSEMBLERS OF MODERN CHRISTIANITY /// THE NEW COVENANT ... |
25 Jun 2007 07:11:30 PM |
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On Jun 24, 11:11 am, Donna Kupp <d...@charter.net> wrote:
The Old Covenant and The New Covenant are with The Israel of God. If
we are not of Israel --then we have no hope.
Hello Donna:
"We" may be "Israel-in-spirit" if "we" are true Jews/true Christians,
but no one has been covenant Israel for 3000 years, and no one will be
covenant Israel till the covenant nation/kingdom of Israel is
resurrected from the dead. God made His everlasting covenant with a
national *assembly*, not with individuals, and the only way an
individual could be party to the covenant was to live lawfully within
the covenant national assembly.
"That at that time ye [Gentiles] were without Christ,
being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and
strangers from the covenants of promise, HAVING NO
HOPE, and without God in the world" Eph 2:11-12
The New Covenant (that was established with the blood of Christ) is
with the house of Israel and the house of Judah:
"For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days
come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant
with
**the house of Israel and with the house of Judah**
Not according to the covenant that I made with their
fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead
them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued
not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the
Lord.
God's covenant with the *nation* of Israel, is everlasting, but the
nation did not follow God's laws, and fell into non-existence, causing
God to turn His face away from Israel, to wait for Israel to
repent(become resurrected from the dead). While covenant national
Israel does not exist, the everlasting covenant waits for the
resurrection of the nation it was made with.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house
of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; **I will put my
laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I
will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a
people,**" Heb 8:8-10
If you read that same passage in Jeremiah 31:31-34, you will find that
when God makes His new covenant with the two houses(indicating
resurrected Israel), all preaching will cease because all will know
God. The obvious reason for God to write His laws on Israel's hearts,
is so that Israel will do by nature the things which are contained in
the law, and this will mean that Israel will then be incapable of
breaking the law, so Israel's part in the everlasting old covenant
will be fulfilled. Red that over again and think about what I said:-)
THE OLD COVENANT WAS WITH ISRAEL
AND WAS WRITTEN IN STONE
The covenant was not written in stone, only the law was.
THE NEW COVENANT IS WITH ISRAEL
AND IS WRITTEN IN THE HEART
The new covenant will not be written in hearts, but the law will be.
BUT THE COMMANDMENTS REMAIN THE SAME
Love God, and love one another(exemplified in the decalogue).
Today, Gentiles and Jews, who have faith in Jesus Christ are the
Israel of God.
True Jews(converted Jews and converted gentiles), have faith in the
coming Christ, and the resurrected Davidic kingdom that will be given
to him.
We MUST obey The Ten Commandments and the teaching of
Jesus --and our salvation DOES depend upon that obedience. Jesus
Christ, The Judge, gives his last warning to the churches:
Salvation is dependant on those in the body loving one another, in
order to maintain the unity required for the body to be viable as the
resurrected covenant nation of Israel.
"Blessed are they that DO his commandments,
that they may have right to the tree of life,
and may enter in through the gates into the city.
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers,
and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth
and maketh a lie." Rev 22:14-15 (KJV)
Except for a remnant of faithful believers, ancient Israel was cut off
from God because of their unbelief and disobedience. Paul warned the
Roman Christians to not be high-minded; but to fear God and obey Him.
He cut off the disobedient branches of The Old Covenant and He will
also cut off the disobedient branches of The New Covenant. (Romans
11:17-22)
Donna Kupp
Note:
Jews and Gentiles must be *in Christ Jesus* to be a new creature.
When Jews and gentiles are "saved" they become true Jews, and those
who are still alive at the resurrection will become new creatures
because they will be incapable of sin.
"FOR IN CHRIST JESUS neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor
uncircumcision, BUT A NEW CREATURE." Gal 6:15 (KJV)
QUESTION: How do we know that we are in Christ Jesus?
ANSWER:
"**And he that keepeth his commandments** DWELLETH IN HIM, and he in
him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which
he hath given us." I Jn 3:24 (KJV)
The indwelling Holy Spirit gives the new creation the enabling power
to stop committing sin. Through the Holy Spirit, we MUST put to death
the sinful deeds of the flesh --or we will perish on judgement day.
"For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die:
but if ye through the Spirit
do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live."
Romans 8:13 (KJV)
My Answer:
When the Davidic kingdom is sovereign on all the land between the
Euphrates and the river of Egypt, we are subjects of that kingdom, and
we are incapable of disliking anyone:-)
dk
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I think you need to read and understand the everlasting covenant that
God made to Abraham, and consider that if God is not a liar, it must
all take place in flowing sequence, just as God promised.
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?B?rmFuZHk=?=" |
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24 Jun 2007 10:29:21 AM |
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Thanks for identifying yourself.
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