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User: "The Man Who Scoured the World for the Fabled Bewildebeest"
Date: 11 Apr 2006 08:33:42 AM
Object: The Doctrine of Original Sin - A Question
NAS Mat 19:16. And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what
good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17. And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is
good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life,
keep the commandments.
18. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not
bear false witness,
19. Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as
thyself.
20. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed:
what lack I yet?
My question is, if a person goes through life without
commiting any sin, and this person has never heard the Gospel message
of Christ, will that person go to Heaven?
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User: "* irenic *"

Title: Re: The Doctrine of Original Sin - A Question 12 Apr 2006 07:23:17 AM
"The Man Who Scoured the World for the Fabled Bewildebeest"
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NAS Mat 19:16. And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what
good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17. And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is
good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life,
keep the commandments.
18. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not
bear false witness,
19. Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as
thyself.
20. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed:
what lack I yet?

My question is, if a person goes through life without
commiting any sin, and this person has never heard the Gospel message
of Christ, will that person go to Heaven?

The answer's 'yes'... but the problem with this 'hypothetical' is that it is
just that... no one fits this description, except, as Christianity asserts,
Jesus Christ...
--
Shalom! Rowland Croucher
"If only it were so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere
insidiously committing evil deeds and it were necessary to separate them
from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil
cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy
a piece of his own heart?" Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/ - 17,000 articles; 4000 jokes/funnies
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User: "Retired Bonus Army Hovel Architect"

Title: Re: The Doctrine of Original Sin - A Question 12 Apr 2006 08:53:36 AM
On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:23:17 +1000, "* irenic *" <see_it@website.com>
wrote:


"The Man Who Scoured the World for the Fabled Bewildebeest"
<noluck@ohwell.org> wrote in message
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NAS Mat 19:16. And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what
good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17. And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is
good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life,
keep the commandments.
18. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not
bear false witness,
19. Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as
thyself.
20. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed:
what lack I yet?

My question is, if a person goes through life without
commiting any sin, and this person has never heard the Gospel message
of Christ, will that person go to Heaven?



The answer's 'yes'... but the problem with this 'hypothetical' is that it is
just that... no one fits this description, except, as Christianity asserts,
Jesus Christ...

The man who approached Christ in the above passage apparently
fits the description. Christ did not refute that the man had obeyed
the law consistently and completely.
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User: "IKnowHimDoYou- A."

Title: Re: The Doctrine of Original Sin - A Question 11 Apr 2006 10:18:53 AM
In article <ejbn321c4jvbb328962pmfc3sps4ghaq0b@4ax.com>, The Man Who
Scoured the World for the Fabled Bewildebeest <noluck@ohwell.org> wrote:

NAS Mat 19:16. And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what
good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17. And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is
good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life,
keep the commandments.
18. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not
bear false witness,
19. Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as
thyself.
20. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed:
what lack I yet?

My question is, if a person goes through life without
commiting any sin, and this person has never heard the Gospel message
of Christ, will that person go to Heaven?

--

_______________________________________________________
First: no one is without sin in their life, "ALL have sinned and come
short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). Sin is inherent in our lives
because of the sin of disobedience of our father Adam.
Second: The Bible, God's Word, says that the law is written on everyone's
heart and God is the one who calls not us (Acts 17:26-27). Therefore no
one is excusable.
Non one goes to heaven without knowing the Lord Jesus Christ for He said;
"Iam the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but
by Me" (John 14:6). Also there is no other name given among men whereby we
must be saved.
The important question here is for you. Have you been saved and born
again (John 3:3,5) so that you are certain of your eternal destiny?
.
User: "Roy Mock roymock1@optusnetDOTcomDOTau"

Title: Re: The Doctrine of Original Sin - A Question 11 Apr 2006 06:32:44 PM
"IKnowHimDoYou- A." <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IKnowHim-1104060818530001@pm4-46.kalama.com...

In article <ejbn321c4jvbb328962pmfc3sps4ghaq0b@4ax.com>, The Man Who
Scoured the World for the Fabled Bewildebeest <noluck@ohwell.org> wrote:

NAS Mat 19:16. And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what
good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17. And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is
good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life,
keep the commandments.
18. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not
bear false witness,
19. Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as
thyself.
20. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed:
what lack I yet?

My question is, if a person goes through life without
commiting any sin, and this person has never heard the Gospel message
of Christ, will that person go to Heaven?

--

_______________________________________________________

First: no one is without sin in their life, "ALL have sinned and come
short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). Sin is inherent in our lives
because of the sin of disobedience of our father Adam.

Second: The Bible, God's Word, says that the law is written on everyone's
heart and God is the one who calls not us (Acts 17:26-27). Therefore no
one is excusable.

Non one goes to heaven without knowing the Lord Jesus Christ for He said;
"Iam the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but
by Me" (John 14:6). Also there is no other name given among men whereby we
must be saved.

The important question here is for you. Have you been saved and born
again (John 3:3,5) so that you are certain of your eternal destiny?

Whilst salvation is contingent on response to the gospel (Romans 10:12-15),
allowance is also made for those who do not have the Law in that they will
be judged by what their conscience tells them (Romans 2:14-16).
As there is no excuse for not knowing God (Romans 1:20); there is no excuse
for not living up to one's conscience (Romans 2:14-16).
Cheers.
.
User: "\Mark T\ thinkaboutwh@youaredoing49867587687432"

Title: Re: The Doctrine of Original Sin - A Question 11 Apr 2006 09:19:32 PM
"Roy Mock" wrote:

Whilst salvation is contingent on response to the gospel (Romans
10:12-15),

.... according to Paul ... who was wrong elsewhere ....
What IS the gospel????
What is recorded in Mark and Matthew about the CONTENT of the gospel that
Jesus preached?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
MARK'S GOSPEL (ending at Mark 16:8)
1:15; 4:11; 4:14; 6:12; 9:1;13:9-10 all describe the gospel / good news as
announcing that the kingdom [realm] of God is here so one must turn away
from one's sins. Nothing more! Count how many times Jesus says the "the
kingdom of God is like" in Mark's gospel!
MATTHEW'S GOSPEL
4:17; 4:23; 5:19; 6:33; 7:21; 9:35; 10:7; 11:12; 12:28; 13:11; 13:19; 13:38;
13;52; 18:2; 19:23; 21:31 21:43; 23:13; 24:34; 25:34 ff; 26:13; describe the
gospel / good news as announcing that the kingdom [realm] of heaven is here
so one must turn away from one's sins. Nothing more! (Matthew prefers
'kingdom of heaven" to "kingdom of God") Count how many times Jesus says
the "the kingdom of God is like" in Matthew's gospel!
###############################################################
"I (GOD NOT YHWH'S MESSIAH), even I (GOD NOT YHWH'S MESSIAH),
am he who blots out your transgressions, for my own sake, and remembers
your sins no more. " - Isaiah 43:25
################################################################
.
User: "Roy Mock roymock1@optusnetDOTcomDOTau"

Title: Re: The Doctrine of Original Sin - A Question 12 Apr 2006 03:18:04 AM
""Mark T"" <thinkaboutwh@youaredoing49867587687432> wrote in message
news:443c63b8@dnews.tpgi.com.au...

"Roy Mock" wrote:


Whilst salvation is contingent on response to the gospel (Romans
10:12-15),


... according to Paul ... who was wrong elsewhere ....

What IS the gospel????

What is recorded in Mark and Matthew about the CONTENT of the gospel that
Jesus preached?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

MARK'S GOSPEL (ending at Mark 16:8)

1:15; 4:11; 4:14; 6:12; 9:1;13:9-10 all describe the gospel / good news as
announcing that the kingdom [realm] of God is here so one must turn away
from one's sins. Nothing more! Count how many times Jesus says the "the
kingdom of God is like" in Mark's gospel!

MATTHEW'S GOSPEL

4:17; 4:23; 5:19; 6:33; 7:21; 9:35; 10:7; 11:12; 12:28; 13:11; 13:19;
13:38;
13;52; 18:2; 19:23; 21:31 21:43; 23:13; 24:34; 25:34 ff; 26:13; describe
the
gospel / good news as announcing that the kingdom [realm] of heaven is
here
so one must turn away from one's sins. Nothing more! (Matthew prefers
'kingdom of heaven" to "kingdom of God") Count how many times Jesus
says
the "the kingdom of God is like" in Matthew's gospel!

###############################################################
"I (GOD NOT YHWH'S MESSIAH), even I (GOD NOT YHWH'S MESSIAH),
am he who blots out your transgressions, for my own sake, and remembers
your sins no more. " - Isaiah 43:25
################################################################

I have no probs with that.
I took it that Paul was delivering "... what I also received" (1 Cor 15:3).
I like the kingdom-of-God line. For me, kingdom is not so much a place but
rule. God rules.
Cheers.
.


User: "Barry OGrady"

Title: Re: The Doctrine of Original Sin - A Question 16 Apr 2006 11:29:54 PM
On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:32:44 +1000, "Roy Mock" <roymock1@optusnetDOTcomDOTau> wrote:

Whilst salvation is contingent on response to the gospel (Romans 10:12-15),
allowance is also made for those who do not have the Law in that they will
be judged by what their conscience tells them (Romans 2:14-16).

Shouldn't God clean up the mess he made without any input from us?

As there is no excuse for not knowing God (Romans 1:20); there is no excuse
for not living up to one's conscience (Romans 2:14-16).

There is no excuse for God not making himself known to all.

Cheers.

Barry
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User: "\Mark T\ thinkaboutwh@youaredoing49867587687432"

Title: Re: The Doctrine of Original Sin - A Question 11 Apr 2006 09:15:07 PM
"IKnowShitAll" wroteth:

Sin is inherent in our lives because of the sin of disobedience of our
father Adam.

Crap!
The bible says that sin is not passed down to the children ......
(Deuteronomy 24:16) - "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor
shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death
for his own sin."
(Ezekiel 18:20) - "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the
punishment for the father's iniquity, nor will the father bear the
punishment for the son's iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will
be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself."

Second: The Bible, God's Word

Crap!
The bible is not "God's Word"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Bible ...[is] ... a collection of human responses to God (very human,
some of them all too human), which we are at liberty to use in the process
of formulating our own individual, unique response to God. We don't do that
by imitating these responses slavishly. I mean God, if he exists, doesn't
want innumerable clones of the apostle Paul. He wants us to respond to him,
each of us in our own unique way. And we can use the Bible to do that, but
we don't do it by obeying it slavishly and blindly. - Peter Cameron
"Heretic" (Doubleday; Sydney: 1994) p. 195

Non one goes to heaven without knowing the Lord Jesus Christ

Crap!
###############################################################
"I (GOD NOT YHWH'S MESSIAH), even I (GOD NOT YHWH'S MESSIAH),
am he who blots out your transgressions, for my own sake, and remembers
your sins no more. " - Isaiah 43:25
################################################################
.
User: "dragomir kollaric"

Title: Re: The Doctrine of Original Sin - A Question 12 Apr 2006 05:00:24 AM
On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:15:07 +1000, "Mark T" in
<443c62af@dnews.tpgi.com.au> wrote:

"IKnowShitAll" wroteth:

Sin is inherent in our lives because of the sin of disobedience of our
father Adam.



Crap!

The bible says that sin is not passed down to the children ......

(Deuteronomy 24:16) - "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor
shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death
for his own sin."

No wonder that many come to the conclusion that the "Bible" can't be
trusted, if one finds "contradiction" even in the very same book of
the OT!
Deuteronomy 5:9-10
9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I
the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the
fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of
them that hate me,
10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my
commandments.
So the god in Deuteronomy can't do what Jesus said one should do:
Matthew 5:46-48
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not
even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others?
do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven
is perfect.
Now if the "god" of "Deuteronomy" can only love those who love him,
then he is less then "perfect" by the standard Jesus laid out before us.


(Ezekiel 18:20) - "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the
punishment for the father's iniquity, nor will the father bear the
punishment for the son's iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will
be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself."


Second: The Bible, God's Word


Crap!

The bible is not "God's Word"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Bible ...[is] ... a collection of human responses to God (very human,
some of them all too human), which we are at liberty to use in the process
of formulating our own individual, unique response to God. We don't do that
by imitating these responses slavishly. I mean God, if he exists, doesn't
want innumerable clones of the apostle Paul. He wants us to respond to him,
each of us in our own unique way. And we can use the Bible to do that, but
we don't do it by obeying it slavishly and blindly. - Peter Cameron
"Heretic" (Doubleday; Sydney: 1994) p. 195

"Nice", exactly "my" sentiments.



Non one goes to heaven without knowing the Lord Jesus Christ


Crap!

###############################################################
"I (GOD NOT YHWH'S MESSIAH), even I (GOD NOT YHWH'S MESSIAH),
am he who blots out your transgressions, for my own sake, and remembers
your sins no more. " - Isaiah 43:25
################################################################

Dragomir Kollaric
--
If the automobile had followed the same development as the computer a
Rolls Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon and
explode once a year killing everybody inside.
- Robert Cringeley (InfoWorld)
.


User: "ruth"

Title: Re: The Doctrine of Original Sin - A Question 11 Apr 2006 01:04:51 PM
IKnowHimDoYou- A. wrote:

In article <ejbn321c4jvbb328962pmfc3sps4ghaq0b@4ax.com>, The Man Who
Scoured the World for the Fabled Bewildebeest <noluck@ohwell.org> wrote:

NAS Mat 19:16. And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what
good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17. And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is
good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life,
keep the commandments.
18. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not
bear false witness,
19. Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as
thyself.
20. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed:
what lack I yet?

My question is, if a person goes through life without
commiting any sin, and this person has never heard the Gospel message
of Christ, will that person go to Heaven?

--

_______________________________________________________

First: no one is without sin in their life, "ALL have sinned and come
short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23).

true
Sin is inherent in our lives

because of the sin of disobedience of our father Adam.

What do you mean by "inherent"?
Lu 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain
priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the
daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
Lu 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the
commandments and ordinances of the Lord , blameless.
1CO 15:34 Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for
there are some who are ignorant of God--I say this to your shame.
JN 5:14 Later Yeshua found him at the temple and said to him, "See,
you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you."
The man went away and told the Jews that it was Yeshua who had made him
well.
Ruth


Second: The Bible, God's Word, says that the law is written on everyone's
heart and God is the one who calls not us (Acts 17:26-27). Therefore no
one is excusable.

Ac 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein , seeing that
He is Lord of Heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with
hands;
Ac 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though He needed
any thing, seeing He giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
Ac 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on
all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before
appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Ac 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after
Him, and find Him, though He be not far from every one of us:
Ac 17:28 For in Him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also His offspring.
Ac 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to
think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven
by art and man's device.
Ac 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now
commandeth all men every where to repent:
Ac 17:31 Because He hath appointed a day, in the which He will judge
the world in righteousness by that man whom He hath ordained; whereof
He hath given assurance unto all men, in that He hath raised Him from
the dead.
Ac 17:32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some
mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.
"the law is written on everyone's heart" ?
Ruth


Non one goes to heaven without knowing the Lord Jesus Christ for He said;
"Iam the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but
by Me" (John 14:6). Also there is no other name given among men whereby we
must be saved.

Halleluia


The important question here is for you. Have you been saved and born
again (John 3:3,5) so that you are certain of your eternal destiny?

.
User: "Bill"

Title: Re: The Doctrine of Original Sin - A Question 12 Apr 2006 06:19:27 PM
Just more Bible nonsense!
"ruth" <mruthrush@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1144778691.864438.72480@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

IKnowHimDoYou- A. wrote:

In article <ejbn321c4jvbb328962pmfc3sps4ghaq0b@4ax.com>, The Man Who
Scoured the World for the Fabled Bewildebeest <noluck@ohwell.org> wrote:

NAS Mat 19:16. And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what
good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17. And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is
good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life,
keep the commandments.
18. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not
bear false witness,
19. Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as
thyself.
20. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed:
what lack I yet?

My question is, if a person goes through life without
commiting any sin, and this person has never heard the Gospel message
of Christ, will that person go to Heaven?

--

_______________________________________________________

First: no one is without sin in their life, "ALL have sinned and come
short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23).


true

Sin is inherent in our lives

because of the sin of disobedience of our father Adam.


What do you mean by "inherent"?

Lu 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain
priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the
daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
Lu 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the
commandments and ordinances of the Lord , blameless.

1CO 15:34 Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for
there are some who are ignorant of God--I say this to your shame.

JN 5:14 Later Yeshua found him at the temple and said to him, "See,
you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you."
The man went away and told the Jews that it was Yeshua who had made him
well.
Ruth


Second: The Bible, God's Word, says that the law is written on everyone's
heart and God is the one who calls not us (Acts 17:26-27). Therefore no
one is excusable.



Ac 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein , seeing that
He is Lord of Heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with
hands;
Ac 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though He needed
any thing, seeing He giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
Ac 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on
all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before
appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Ac 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after
Him, and find Him, though He be not far from every one of us:
Ac 17:28 For in Him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain
also of your own poets have said, For we are also His offspring.
Ac 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to
think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven
by art and man's device.
Ac 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now
commandeth all men every where to repent:
Ac 17:31 Because He hath appointed a day, in the which He will judge
the world in righteousness by that man whom He hath ordained; whereof
He hath given assurance unto all men, in that He hath raised Him from
the dead.
Ac 17:32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some
mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.

"the law is written on everyone's heart" ?
Ruth


Non one goes to heaven without knowing the Lord Jesus Christ for He said;
"Iam the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but
by Me" (John 14:6). Also there is no other name given among men whereby
we
must be saved.


Halleluia


The important question here is for you. Have you been saved and born
again (John 3:3,5) so that you are certain of your eternal destiny?


.


User: "Retired Bonus Army Hovel Architect"

Title: Re: The Doctrine of Original Sin - A Question 12 Apr 2006 08:50:56 AM
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:18:53 -0700,

(IKnowHimDoYou- A.) wrote:

In article <ejbn321c4jvbb328962pmfc3sps4ghaq0b@4ax.com>, The Man Who
Scoured the World for the Fabled Bewildebeest <noluck@ohwell.org> wrote:

NAS Mat 19:16. And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what
good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17. And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is
good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life,
keep the commandments.
18. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not
bear false witness,
19. Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as
thyself.
20. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed:
what lack I yet?

My question is, if a person goes through life without
commiting any sin, and this person has never heard the Gospel message
of Christ, will that person go to Heaven?

--

_______________________________________________________

First: no one is without sin in their life, "ALL have sinned and come
short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). Sin is inherent in our lives
because of the sin of disobedience of our father Adam.

Second: The Bible, God's Word, says that the law is written on everyone's
heart and God is the one who calls not us (Acts 17:26-27). Therefore no
one is excusable.

Non one goes to heaven without knowing the Lord Jesus Christ for He said;
"Iam the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but
by Me" (John 14:6). Also there is no other name given among men whereby we
must be saved.

The important question here is for you. Have you been saved and born
again (John 3:3,5) so that you are certain of your eternal destiny?

Yes, I have.
So, from what you have submitted as a theological premise,
would you agree that babies born of unbelieving parents will not be
saved in early death, since these bear the onus of inherited sin?
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Title: Re: The Doctrine of Original Sin - A Question 12 Apr 2006 11:00:10 AM
In article <e31q32du3r222d7208ifa9vu6tbpnkm9bc@4ax.com>, Retired Bonus
Army Hovel Architect <origami@homes.org> wrote:

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:18:53 -0700,


(IKnowHimDoYou- A.) wrote:

In article <ejbn321c4jvbb328962pmfc3sps4ghaq0b@4ax.com>, The Man Who
Scoured the World for the Fabled Bewildebeest <noluck@ohwell.org> wrote:

NAS Mat 19:16. And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what
good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17. And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is
good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life,
keep the commandments.
18. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not
bear false witness,
19. Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as
thyself.
20. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed:
what lack I yet?

My question is, if a person goes through life without
commiting any sin, and this person has never heard the Gospel message
of Christ, will that person go to Heaven?

--

_______________________________________________________

First: no one is without sin in their life, "ALL have sinned and come
short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). Sin is inherent in our lives
because of the sin of disobedience of our father Adam.

Second: The Bible, God's Word, says that the law is written on everyone's
heart and God is the one who calls not us (Acts 17:26-27). Therefore no
one is excusable.

Non one goes to heaven without knowing the Lord Jesus Christ for He said;
"Iam the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but
by Me" (John 14:6). Also there is no other name given among men whereby we
must be saved.

The important question here is for you. Have you been saved and born
again (John 3:3,5) so that you are certain of your eternal destiny?


Yes, I have.

So, from what you have submitted as a theological premise,
would you agree that babies born of unbelieving parents will not be
saved in early death, since these bear the onus of inherited sin?

____________________________________________________________
Babies are not conscience of sin and disobediance. They are God's own and
only come under sin when they make a knowing, conscious purpose to sin.
Until then they are under the authority and protection of their parents
(Acts 16:31). Woe unto them who harm these little ones (abortion,
infanticide)!!
.
User: "Retired Bonus Army Hovel Architect"

Title: Re: The Doctrine of Original Sin - A Question 12 Apr 2006 12:46:55 PM
On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:00:10 -0700,

(IKnowHimDoYou- A.) wrote:

In article <e31q32du3r222d7208ifa9vu6tbpnkm9bc@4ax.com>, Retired Bonus
Army Hovel Architect <origami@homes.org> wrote:

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:18:53 -0700,


(IKnowHimDoYou- A.) wrote:

In article <ejbn321c4jvbb328962pmfc3sps4ghaq0b@4ax.com>, The Man Who
Scoured the World for the Fabled Bewildebeest <noluck@ohwell.org> wrote:

NAS Mat 19:16. And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what
good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17. And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is
good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life,
keep the commandments.
18. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not
bear false witness,
19. Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as
thyself.
20. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed:
what lack I yet?

My question is, if a person goes through life without
commiting any sin, and this person has never heard the Gospel message
of Christ, will that person go to Heaven?

--

_______________________________________________________

First: no one is without sin in their life, "ALL have sinned and come
short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). Sin is inherent in our lives
because of the sin of disobedience of our father Adam.

Second: The Bible, God's Word, says that the law is written on everyone's
heart and God is the one who calls not us (Acts 17:26-27). Therefore no
one is excusable.

Non one goes to heaven without knowing the Lord Jesus Christ for He said;
"Iam the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but
by Me" (John 14:6). Also there is no other name given among men whereby we
must be saved.

The important question here is for you. Have you been saved and born
again (John 3:3,5) so that you are certain of your eternal destiny?


Yes, I have.

So, from what you have submitted as a theological premise,
would you agree that babies born of unbelieving parents will not be
saved in early death, since these bear the onus of inherited sin?

____________________________________________________________

Babies are not conscience of sin and disobediance. They are God's own and
only come under sin when they make a knowing, conscious purpose to sin.
Until then they are under the authority and protection of their parents
(Acts 16:31).

Also, what of those babies that are not under the authority
and protection of Godly partents?
--
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Title: Re: The Doctrine of Original Sin - A Question 13 Apr 2006 10:21:58 AM
In article <07fq325rptkols031ier1et9665avol11a@4ax.com>, Retired Bonus
Army Hovel Architect <origami@homes.org> wrote:

On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:00:10 -0700,


(IKnowHimDoYou- A.) wrote:

In article <e31q32du3r222d7208ifa9vu6tbpnkm9bc@4ax.com>, Retired Bonus
Army Hovel Architect <origami@homes.org> wrote:

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:18:53 -0700,


(IKnowHimDoYou- A.) wrote:

In article <ejbn321c4jvbb328962pmfc3sps4ghaq0b@4ax.com>, The Man Who
Scoured the World for the Fabled Bewildebeest <noluck@ohwell.org> wrote:

NAS Mat 19:16. And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what
good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17. And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is
good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life,
keep the commandments.
18. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not
bear false witness,
19. Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as
thyself.
20. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed:
what lack I yet?

My question is, if a person goes through life without
commiting any sin, and this person has never heard the Gospel message
of Christ, will that person go to Heaven?

--

_______________________________________________________

First: no one is without sin in their life, "ALL have sinned and come
short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). Sin is inherent in our lives
because of the sin of disobedience of our father Adam.

Second: The Bible, God's Word, says that the law is written on everyone's
heart and God is the one who calls not us (Acts 17:26-27). Therefore no
one is excusable.

Non one goes to heaven without knowing the Lord Jesus Christ for He said;
"Iam the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but
by Me" (John 14:6). Also there is no other name given among men whereby we
must be saved.

The important question here is for you. Have you been saved and born
again (John 3:3,5) so that you are certain of your eternal destiny?


Yes, I have.

So, from what you have submitted as a theological premise,
would you agree that babies born of unbelieving parents will not be
saved in early death, since these bear the onus of inherited sin?

____________________________________________________________

Babies are not conscience of sin and disobediance. They are God's own and
only come under sin when they make a knowing, conscious purpose to sin.
Until then they are under the authority and protection of their parents
(Acts 16:31).


Also, what of those babies that are not under the authority
and protection of Godly partents?

_____________________________________________________________________
Then they are fair game for Satan the thief (John 10:10).
.


User: "Retired Bonus Army Hovel Architect"

Title: Re: The Doctrine of Original Sin - A Question 12 Apr 2006 11:31:22 AM
On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:00:10 -0700,

(IKnowHimDoYou- A.) wrote:

In article <e31q32du3r222d7208ifa9vu6tbpnkm9bc@4ax.com>, Retired Bonus
Army Hovel Architect <origami@homes.org> wrote:

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:18:53 -0700,


(IKnowHimDoYou- A.) wrote:

In article <ejbn321c4jvbb328962pmfc3sps4ghaq0b@4ax.com>, The Man Who
Scoured the World for the Fabled Bewildebeest <noluck@ohwell.org> wrote:

NAS Mat 19:16. And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what
good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17. And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is
good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life,
keep the commandments.
18. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not
bear false witness,
19. Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as
thyself.
20. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed:
what lack I yet?

My question is, if a person goes through life without
commiting any sin, and this person has never heard the Gospel message
of Christ, will that person go to Heaven?

--

_______________________________________________________

First: no one is without sin in their life, "ALL have sinned and come
short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). Sin is inherent in our lives
because of the sin of disobedience of our father Adam.

Second: The Bible, God's Word, says that the law is written on everyone's
heart and God is the one who calls not us (Acts 17:26-27). Therefore no
one is excusable.

Non one goes to heaven without knowing the Lord Jesus Christ for He said;
"Iam the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but
by Me" (John 14:6). Also there is no other name given among men whereby we
must be saved.

The important question here is for you. Have you been saved and born
again (John 3:3,5) so that you are certain of your eternal destiny?


Yes, I have.

So, from what you have submitted as a theological premise,
would you agree that babies born of unbelieving parents will not be
saved in early death, since these bear the onus of inherited sin?

____________________________________________________________

Babies are not conscience of sin and disobediance. They are God's own and
only come under sin when they make a knowing, conscious purpose to sin.
Until then they are under the authority and protection of their parents
(Acts 16:31). Woe unto them who harm these little ones (abortion,
infanticide)!!

What if a person never makes a knowing, conscious purpose to
sin? Will such a person never have to be redeemed?
--
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Title: Re: The Doctrine of Original Sin - A Question 13 Apr 2006 10:20:30 AM
In article <9maq32td5ptd8p1m2mn83dotjmj62al6vi@4ax.com>, Retired Bonus
Army Hovel Architect <origami@homes.org> wrote:

On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:00:10 -0700,


(IKnowHimDoYou- A.) wrote:

In article <e31q32du3r222d7208ifa9vu6tbpnkm9bc@4ax.com>, Retired Bonus
Army Hovel Architect <origami@homes.org> wrote:

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:18:53 -0700,


(IKnowHimDoYou- A.) wrote:

In article <ejbn321c4jvbb328962pmfc3sps4ghaq0b@4ax.com>, The Man Who
Scoured the World for the Fabled Bewildebeest <noluck@ohwell.org> wrote:

NAS Mat 19:16. And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what
good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17. And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is
good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life,
keep the commandments.
18. He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not
bear false witness,
19. Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as
thyself.
20. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed:
what lack I yet?

My question is, if a person goes through life without
commiting any sin, and this person has never heard the Gospel message
of Christ, will that person go to Heaven?

--

_______________________________________________________

First: no one is without sin in their life, "ALL have sinned and come
short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). Sin is inherent in our lives
because of the sin of disobedience of our father Adam.

Second: The Bible, God's Word, says that the law is written on everyone's
heart and God is the one who calls not us (Acts 17:26-27). Therefore no
one is excusable.

Non one goes to heaven without knowing the Lord Jesus Christ for He said;
"Iam the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but
by Me" (John 14:6). Also there is no other name given among men whereby we
must be saved.

The important question here is for you. Have you been saved and born
again (John 3:3,5) so that you are certain of your eternal destiny?


Yes, I have.

So, from what you have submitted as a theological premise,
would you agree that babies born of unbelieving parents will not be
saved in early death, since these bear the onus of inherited sin?

____________________________________________________________

Babies are not conscience of sin and disobediance. They are God's own and
only come under sin when they make a knowing, conscious purpose to sin.
Until then they are under the authority and protection of their parents
(Acts 16:31). Woe unto them who harm these little ones (abortion,
infanticide)!!


What if a person never makes a knowing, conscious purpose to
sin? Will such a person never have to be redeemed?

____________________________________________________________________
The only person who did this is the Lord Jesus Christ who was without sin
in this world (Hebrews 4:15)-"He did no sin" (I Peter 2:22)-"in Him is no
sin" (I John 3:5)-"He knew no sin" (II Cor 5:21). This is why He is the
Savior and without Him we all parish.
All of mankind sins and God says all have sinned (Romans 3:23)
.






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