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Date: 16 Jan 2006 08:13:56 PM
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Nature Reveals
The earth is home to a cheetah cat that can run 70 mph; insects that can
sleep for 17 years; Weddell seals that can remain underwater for 45 minutes,
diving to depths of 1,500 feet; eight-armed, ink-shooting octopuses that can
eat their own arms and grow new ones; archerfish that can shoot water 15
feet into the air and hit a bug; peregrine falcons that can swoop down on
their prey at 150 mph; iron-eating bacteria that live 10,000 feet beneath
the earth's surface enduring pressures of 3,000 psi and scalding
temperatures of 185° F; and so on.
Richard Dreyfuss, the academy award winning actor, commented on the
WNET/Nature program for February 26, 1997 in relation The Galapagos Islands.
As he watched an incredible display of sea lions surfing the waves on the
very islands that have become closely associated with Charles Darwin, in
amazement he stated; "I'm trying to understand the science of evolution.
But right now, all I can see is a miracle."
Important!: The idea of purpose and design in the living world is known as
teleology.
1. The Manx shearwater birds that live in Wales migrate from America to
home every year flying approximately 250 miles every day. A Manx shearwater
bird captured in Wales was transferred by plane in a crate to America. Then
scientists released the bird in Boston. Incredibly, the bird flew home
across the Atlantic Ocean to its home in Wales, more than 3,100 miles away
in only 12 days, although it had never flown over the ocean before.
How could this occur unless God implanted the knowledge of the bird's home
in its brain?
2. When a baby is made in its mother the genetic code that governs the eye
programs the baby's body to begin growing optic nerves from both the brain
as well as from the eye. Each eye will have a million nerve endings that
begin growing through the flesh toward the baby's brain. At the same time,
a million optic nerves will begin growing through the flesh towards the baby's
eye. Each of the million optic nerves must find a match up to its mate to
enable sight to exist.
3. The rattlesnake detects its prey using a small sense organ found between
the nostril and the eyes that is so sensitive it can detect a difference of
temperature of only one thirty-third of a dgree. This ability to detect the
precise temperature of an object in front of the snake enables it to
precisely measure the distance and direction of its prey. This ability to
detect such a small temperature variation is so difficult that only a
computerized thermometer device can detect so small a difference. How could
such a sensitive awareness of temperatures have evolved in the rattlesnake
by chance"?
4. The woodpecker has two toes in front and two toes in the rear allowing
it to grip the trunk of a tree firmly while pecking for insects. While all
other birds have their bill connected directly to their skull, only the
woodpecker has an unusual spongy tissue between its bill and skull that acts
as a shock absorber while it pecks forcefully at the trunk of a tree for
hours at a time seeking to locate insects. Also, unlike other birds, the
tongue of a woodpecker is not attached to the rear of its mouth.
Incredibly, the woodpecker's tongue is five inches long coiled within its
skull, allowing the bird to locate its insect prey deep within the tree
trunk.
Neo-Darwinism: is a modern and updated version of the original Darwinism.
Neo-Darwinists believe that the combination of natural selection (as
proposed by Darwin), geologic time (millions upon millions of years), and
mutations (based on the Mutation Theory) can explain organic evolution.
Triple- flaw of the theory: It is almost universally agreed that in nature
mutations produce less fit organisms, time (whatever length) brings death
and disintegration, and natural selection destroys unfit organisms, leaving
today's evolutionist without a mechanism for his theory.
5. The difference of neck length in the giraffe was long thought by
evolutionary scientists to be causedby mutation, thus further supporting the
evolutionary process. It is now known that the variation in neck length is
caused by differences in food, or by variation in the number of dominant
genes that control neck length.
6. Living along the seacoast within the tidal zone, the sea slug feeds
primarily on sea anemones. These sea anemones are equipped with thousands
of small stinging cells on their tentacles that explode at the slightest
touch. This explosion plunges poisoned harpoons into attackers paralyzing
them so that they can be drawn into the anemones' stomach to be digested.
The sea slug is able to eat the sea anemones without being stung, exploding
the stinging cells or digesting them. The amazing sea slug moves the
undigested stinging cells through ciliated tubes that are connected to the
stomach where they end up in pouches. The stinging cells are rearranged and
stored in these pouches to be used for the sea slug's own defense system!
Then, whenever the sea slug is attacked, it defends itself using the
stinging cells that the anemone manufactured for its own protection.
How this defense system ever happened is a question that evolutionists have
never been able to explain. Firstly, in order to prevent the stinging cells
from exploding, the sea slug would have to evolve some sort of chemical
means to temporarily neutralize them. It would also have to evolve a new
digestive system, which would digest the tissues of the anemone but not the
stinging cells. The sea slug would also have to cleverly evolve the
sophisticated ciliated tubes and pouches as well as a highly complex
mechanism for arranging, storing, and maintaining the stinging cells.
Finally, and contrary to evolutionary explanations, the anemone would have
to endorse the sea slug's plans by refraining from evolving countermeasures
which is exactly what the theory of evolution dictates a predator would do.
Important Fact!: Mutations are almost always (99.99%) harmful, if not
lethal to the unfortunate organism in which they occur.
Important Fact!: Mutations are not only harmful, but they are also very
rare. Only once in approximately every ten million duplications of a DNA
molecule do they occur. Also, mutations are random, not directional. This
makes them unpredictable so that they don't follow any ordered design or
plan.
7. The Bull's Horn Acacia tree of Central and South America has large
hollow thorns that are inhabited by a species of ferocious stinging ants.
The tree also supplies food to the ants through small bumps that exist on
the exterior. The ants receive food and shelter from this tree. In return
the ants protect the tree by viciously attacking any intruders. The truly
amazing thing about this relationship is that these ants are also gardeners
that make regular raids in all directions from their home tree, destroying
every green shoot that tries to grow near their home tree. Because of this
the ants' home tree always has lots of sunlight and space to grow, which is
a rare thing in the tropical jungles and forests where the competition for
these things is intense. Experiments have shown that when the ants are
taken away from one of these trees, the tree dies within two to fifteen
months.
Evolutionist cannot explain how a relationship like this would ever come
into being. They casually attempt to label it as a symbiotic relationship
and an example of co-adaptation. They fail however to explain how this
relation would develop through the evolutionary process.
8. Cleaning Symbiosis is a situation that ridicules the evolutionary
process. Large predatory fish, after feeding continually on smaller fish
and shrimp find that their mouths are littered with debris and parasites.
In this unique relationship the fish opens its mouth and gill chambers,
baring vicious-looking teeth, so that little "cleaner fish and shrimp" can
swim in, clean out the mouth of the much larger predator fish and swim out
again once the job is completed. Once the task is done the big fish swims
away. Although all parties obviously benefit from this relationship it does
not explain how the relationship itself ever developed. Remember that
survival can only be used as an argument after a relationship has been
established. To further complicate things for the evolutionist, this
situation exists with several species of predatory fish, cleaner fish, and
shrimp. If evolution were truly an option, wouldn't animal instincts and
self-preservation surely override any such unnatural suicidal tendencies
instinctively present in the small and quite vulnerable "cleaner fish and
shrimp?"
Also, to complicate things further for the evolutionist, there is a bird
called the Egyptian plover, that is willing to walk into the mouth of the
Nile crocodile to clean out parasites. He, too, leaves completely unharmed.
Important Quote!: "Overwhelmingly strong proofs of intelligent and
benevolent design lie around us.the atheistic idea is so nonsensical that I
cannot put it into words."

Lord Kelvin, brilliant British physicist
9. The bombardier beetle is a small insect with a most impressive defense
mechanism. When threatened, this little beetle blasts irritating and odious
gases, which are at 212° F, out from two tailpipes right unto the
unfortunate face of the aggressor. Hermann Schildknecht, a German chemist,
studied the bombardier beetle to find out how this incredible chemical feat
is accomplished. The beetle makes his explosive by mixing together two very
dangerous chemicals (hydroquinone and hydrogen peroxide). Also, the beetle
adds another chemical known as an "inhibitor" which prevents the chemicals
from blowing up and aids the beetle in storing the chemicals indefinitely
When the beetle is approached by a predator, like a frog, he squirts the
stored chemicals into the two combustion tubes, and at precisely the right
moment he adds another chemical (an anti-inhibitor). This knocks out the
inhibitor, and a violent explosion occurs into the face of the predator.
Could this complex and marvelous mechanism have evolved over millions of
years? According to evolutionists there must have been thousands of
generations of beetles improperly mixing these hazardous chemicals in fatal
evolutionary experiments, blowing themselves to pieces. Over time they (the
evolutionists) tell us that the beetles arrived at the magic formula.
What about the development of the inhibitor???? There is no need to evolve
an inhibitor unless you already have two chemicals you are trying to
inhibit. On the other hand, if you already have the two chemicals without
the inhibitor, it is already too late, for you have just blown yourself
up!!!!!!!
Then to complicate things further for the evolutionists, the beetle still
must create the anti-inhibitor so that it can be added to the solution at
just the right time. Furthermore, the beetle still needs to evolve two
combustion tubes, and a precision communications and timing network to
control and adjust the critical direction and timing of the explosion. To
think that the entire defense mechanism evolved all at once is simply
impossible.
10. The water beetle escapes his enemies by secreting a detergent substance
from a gland that accomplishes two things. First it propels the beetle
quickly away from its predator so that he is out of immediate danger.
Secondly, the detergent causes the surface tension of water to break down
causing the predator insect to sink into the water.
"O Lord, how manifold are thy works! In wisdom hast thou made them all: the
earth is full of thy riches"
Psalm 104:24
11. The lesser white-throated warbler spends summers in Germany and winters
in Africa. As summer draws to a close the parent birds leave their young
and fly to Africa. The young birds leave several weeks later, flying across
thousands of miles of unfamiliar land and sea to rejoin their parents.
Experiments have shown that within the brains of these birds is the
inherited knowledge of how to tell latitude, longitude, and direction by the
stars, plus a calendar, a clock, and all the necessary navigational data.
This allows these young birds to fly, unguided, thousands of miles across
unfamiliar territory and water to rejoin their parents.
12. Other migratory animals include the golden plover that travels
approximately 8,000 miles south from the Hudson Bay region, crossing about
2,000 miles over the sea from Nova Scotia to the Caribbean countries, and
winters in Argentina. It returns by way of Central America and the
Mississippi Valley. The barn swallow migrates a distance of 9,000 miles
from northern Canada to Argentina. The arctic tern migrates some 14,000
miles each year traveling from pole to pole and back. Whales, fur seals,
bats, salmon, turtles, eels, lemmings, and various other animals also
migrate.
This incredible sense of direction causes an enormous amount of distress for
the evolutionist. How to explain that these gifts evolved bit by bit over
millions of years by mere chance without the guiding hand of an intelligent
creator is baffling indeed. Remember that these migratory instincts are
useless unless they are absolutely perfect!!!
Simply put, it is useless and lethal to be able to navigate perfectly across
only half an ocean.
13. Insects are the only invertebrates that can fly. They are more diverse
than any other invertebrates, with about 1 million species worldwide. The
wing of an insect is an amazing design that is capable of a very strong
sculling action. The wing movement is very complex consisting of elevation
and depression, fore and aft movement, pronation and supination, and changes
in shape by folding and buckling. Many insects can hover or even fly
backward. Some can even fly sideways or rotate about the head or tail by
utilizing unequal wing movement.
Some insects, such as bees, wasps, and flies must combine excellent flying
skills with a small wing area. For example, the honeybee could not function
in its hive with large wings. This reduction in wing size is compensated
for by a very rapid wing-beat. Such frequencies range from 55 "beats" per
second for some beetles, to over 200 "beats" per second for the honeybee.
The midge has an amazing wing-beat of 1,046 "beats" per second.
14. The decoy-fish is a type of anglerfish that lives in the waters near
Oahu, Hawaii. This fish uses its dorsal fin to attract its prey. When
dinner is in sight, the decoy-fish's dorsal fin goes up and appears to be a
separate smaller fish, complete with a mouth and eye. When the decoy-fish
raises its lure, it stops moving its gills, stops breathing, and the lure
becomes colored with a deep red coloring. At the same time the part that
attaches the lure to the decoy-fish becomes transparent, effectively
separating it from the fish. The decoy-fish then remains perfectly still
while moving the decoy lure from side to side, causing the "mouth" to open
and close. The unsuspecting fish comes close to the lure and the decoy-fish
eats it with lightning speed.
There are other types of lures used by a variety of angler fish. One fish
has a lure attached to a "fishing pole" suspended over its mouth. Another
type has the "fishing pole" coming out of its back with a luminescent "bulb"
at the end of it. Still another type of angler fish has a "light bulb"
hanging from the roof of its mouth. Small fish are drawn to it and swim
right inside the angler's mouth to their death. Another fish lures its prey
with a shrimp-like appendage that it moves backward in a darting motion just
like a real shrimp. Occasionally the "bait" gets nipped off. Fortunately
this was anticipated by the designer (evolution would not do this) as these
fish have the ability to re-grow the "bait". Incredibly the new appendage
starts to grow within a few days and is fully replaced in about two weeks.
Without this ability to re-grow their "lure" mechanism these fish would
probably perish.
15. There are endless amounts of visual beauty present throughout nature.
This has long been a puzzle to the evolutionist. How did such beauty
occur?? Surely the initial life forms in the evolutionary scheme did not
possess beauty of any kind. Much to the dismay of the evolutionist, visual
beauty is often quite useless except for the aesthetic gratification of man
and God.
Useless and hidden visual beauty is indeed an evolutionist's nightmare. To
his way of "thinking," everything that evolves must have a particular
purpose, or else it would never evolve. Evolution is supposed to be a
responsible process. The problem lies in that many of natures beautiful
structures are never seen. The Rhodicthys fish is of a bright red color yet
it lives in total darkness, 1.5 miles below the surface of the ocean. Also,
at the same unseen depths, you will find the deep-sea Neoscopelus
macrolepidotus, which is vividly colored with azure blue, bright red, silver
spots, and black circles! Even the eggs of some deep-sea creatures are
brilliantly colored.
In conclusion, if visual beauty is a natural consequence of evolutionary
progression, why is it that the lower forms of life display greater visual
beauty than the higher forms, such as man?? Evolutionary thinking fails
dismally in attempting to explain visual beauty and are constantly baffled
by natures endless, and widespread beauty that serves no practical purpose
other than the pleasure of both man and God.
16. Mimicry is a fascinating phenomenon of nature where one type of
organism imitates or "mimics" another type.
Spiders can disguise themselves as ants. This may at first not sound too
impressive but remember that spiders have eight legs while ants only have
six. The spider holds up his two front legs over his forehead and wiggles
them like antennae to fool the ants.
The caterpillar of the Lobster moth in Britain modifies its legs to hang
down like the scales surrounding the buds of the beech tree. Amazingly they
are the proper number, length, color, and shape for this very purpose. When
the larva is attacked it lowers flaps on its sides, which uncover black
"wounds" that trick the attacker into thinking that it has already fallen
victim to another parasite. Disappointed, the enemy departs.
Many insects "mimic" stinging or bad tasting models to fool predators. Many
species of butterflies imitate monarchs or other bad tasting butterflies or
moths. Some flies "mimic" bees or hornets. To bewilder evolutionists
further is the fact that sometimes only one sex of a species will mimic
while the other will not.
One desert lizard draws insects close using the corner of its mouth that
when opened resembles a small desert flower.
Certain female fireflies "mimic" the flashes of females of other species,
and when their excited would-be suitors arrive, they eat them.
The cuckoo of Europe and the cowbird of the United States both lay their
eggs in the nests of other birds and successfully manage to have their young
raised by the unsuspecting foster parents. Incidentally, the "foster
nestlings" eliminate all of the legitimate members of the family by pushing
them out of the nest.
Evolutionary "thinking" is completely incapable of explaining the origin,
development, or perfection of such mimicry, especially when it is
accompanied by the comitant (existing or occurring together) imitation of
shape, color, habit, and so on.
17. Convergence is the phenomenon that evolutionists use to describe how
similar organs, structures, colors, habits, and so on, exist in unrelated
types of organisms. They (evolutionists) explain this phenomenon to the
effects of similar environmental demands on different organisms resulting in
similar structures, habits and so forth. This concept is known as
convergence. The problem lies in explaining how a highly complex structure
developed just once. To try to convince someone that such amazing and
precise structures evolved independently from widely different ancestral
organisms, each time starting from a completely dissimilar structural
beginning, is sheer fantasy.
Take for example the highly developed sonar systems that are found in both
the bat and the porpoise. Or take the complex wing mechanism which has
supposedly evolved independently four separate times in insects, bats,
flying reptiles, and birds. To make matters worse for the evolutionist,
there are no fossil transitional forms that demonstrate the ability to fly
as having evolved.
Important note!: The modern evolutionary theory contains, and expects us to
believe, two of the most unbelievable scenarios that are 1) nothing created
the material universe, and 2) lifeless matter created all living diversity
in its endless life forms.
Because both assumptions are flat out impossible the evolutionary
scientist faces a rather obvious and serious dilemma. In the first
situation the evolutionary scientist has only nothing to work with-not
space, time, or quantum matter-only nothing. Now the evolutionary scientist
must explain how from nothing our amazingly ordered and magnificent universe
came to be. In the second story, there is at least something to work with-a
lifeless universe. Now from this lifeless universe science must explain an
entire series of impossible events-how pre-biological evolution occurred
(how unorganized matter organized itself into the chemical precursors of
life permitting upward evolution); how early microbial life evolved further
in the primeval oceans; how subsequent ocean life evolved from this; how
"water breathing" fish evolved into land animals; how reptiles evolved into
birds (and, as some would say, how birds evolved into dinosaurs); how cold
blooded reptiles evolved into warm blooded mammals; and how people came from
lower animals.
18. The earth is positioned at just the right distance from the sun so that
we receive exactly the proper amount of heat to support life. The other
planets of our solar system are either too close to the sun (too hot) or
else too far from the sun (too cold) to sustain life.
19. If the speed that the earth turns were to decrease by as much as 10% of
its present rate all plant life would either be burned to a crisp during the
day or frozen at night.
20. The amount that the earth's temperature varies is minimized because of
the nearly perfect circular orbit of the earth around the sun.
21. The moon moves around the earth at a distance of roughly 240,000 miles.
This causes the harmless tides of the various bodies of water. If the moon
were located 1/5th the distance away, the continents would be completely
submerged twice a day.
22. If the thickness of the earth's crust and the depth's of the oceans
were to increase by only a few feet it would alter the absorption of free
oxygen and carbon dioxide so severely that plant and animal life could not
exist.
23. The earth's atmosphere (ozone layer) provides a protective shield
against solar ultraviolet radiation that would otherwise destroy all life.
Also, the atmosphere protects the earth from approximately 20 million meters
that enter it each day at speeds of roughly 30 miles per second. The earth
is rotating at a speed of over 1,000 miles per hour at the equator. We are
moving around the Sun at roughly 67,000/mph. In the lifetime of an average
person the earth will move around the Sun 70 times traveling an incredible
41 billion miles. We are moving around the nucleus of the Milky Way Galaxy
at roughly 500,000/mph. The Milky Way Galaxy is speeding along at an
amazing 1.1 million mph.
Important Quote!: "This most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and
comets could only proceed from the counsel and domain of an intelligent and
powerful Being." Sir Isaac Newton
TRY AND FIGURE THIS ONE OUT.
Our Sun makes up about 98% of the total mass of our solar system. It is
about 27 million degrees Fahrenheit at its core with a pressure 250 billion
times of that on the earth. Every second 700 million tons of hydrogen is
converted to helium causing the release of 5 million tons of pure energy.
An amazing 3.8 million billion, billion watts is produced by our Sun. This
is the same as 5.18 x 10 to the 23rd power/hp. But our Sun is not really
very large when compared to others we can measure. Our sun is only 865,000
miles in diameter compared to Aldebaran which is a huge star that is
31,140,000 miles in diameter and Antares, a super-giant start, which is 300
million miles in diameter.
Our solar system exists inside the Milky Way Galaxy, which is roughly
560,000 million, million miles across and holds more than 300 billion stars.
The Milky Way Galaxy is part of what is known as the Local Group, which is a
galactic cluster containing some 32 galaxies and reaches across a spherical
volume of space, 3,260,000 light-years in diameter. Remember that one
light-year equals 6 million, million miles
Important Quote!: Carefully read the following two quotes by MIT's Alan
Guth who put forth the inflationary Big Bang theory in 1979.
"In this view the universe would originate as a quantum fluxuation starting
from absolutely nothing."
"First of all, I will say that at the purely technical level, inflation
(expansion) itself does not explain how the universe arose from
nothing.Inflation itself takes a very small universe and produces from it a
very big universe. But inflation by itself does not explain where that very
small universe came from."
There are about 150 galaxies that we can see. Beyond them, are millions if
not billions of galaxies and super-galaxies (clusters of galaxies). Each of
these galaxies usually contains anywhere from a billion to a trillion stars.
The largest/most powerful telescope in existence can detect about a billion
galaxies.
The M13 globular star cluster contains an estimated one million suns.
About 100 such star clusters are known and they apparently surround our
galaxy on all sides. "When the distribution of these objects is plotted, it
is found that they form a nearly spherical system and that the center of
this system is identical with the center of our galaxy."
(Astronomy Magazine; July 1997, page 25)
NOW. as you ponder the enormousness of the known universe remember that the
Big Bang Theory states that at one time all the matter in the universe, yes
everything, all of it was once compressed into an area no larger than the
point of a pin. Then over time it became all that we see in the heaven's
and see on the earth.all on its own.
Now remember this; The earth was created on the first day of creation.
Genesis 1:1 The sun, moon and stars were not created until the fourth day.
Genesis 1: 14-19
And remember this; "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament
sheweth his handywork" Psalm 19:1
And also this; "By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's
command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible."
Hebrews 11:3
24. The following two "laws" are proven scientific laws that have been
tested again and again under many different types of systems. No reputable
scientist doubts their validity and full applicability.
The 1st law of thermodynamics, also known as the law of energy conservation,
states that energy can be converted from one form to another but cannot be
created or destroyed. This law shows conclusively that the universe did not
create itself.
The 2nd law of thermodynamics, also known as the law of energy decay, states
that every system left to its own devices tends to move from order to
disorder. In layman's terms the universe is moving in a downward,
degenerating direction of decreasing organization.
Important Quote!: "If your theory is found to be against the second law of
thermodynamics I can give you no hope; there is nothing for it but to
collapse in deepest humiliation." Arthur Eddington, British
astronomer
Remember that evolution demands billions and billions of years of
continual, unsupervised order which is in constant and consistent violation
of the second law of thermodynamics!!!
Noted scientist Lynn Margulis, a professor of biology at the University of
Massachusetts states that history will finally evaluate neo-Darwinism (today's
form of Darwinism thus "neo") as "a minor twentieth-century religious sect
within the sprawling religious persuasion of Anglo-Saxon biology."
At some of her many public lectures, she asks the molecular biologists
attending to name a single unambiguous example of new species formation
through accumulated mutations. No one has yet accepted her challenge.
http://members.shaw.ca/mark.64/hcib/nature.html
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~Science is infallible but those hiding behind it are not~
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User: "Naebad"

Title: Was Re: The earth is home to a cheetah cat that can run 70 mph; insects that can sleep for 17 years 18 Jan 2006 03:34:10 AM
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in message
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Nature Reveals
The earth is home to a cheetah cat that can run 70 mph; insects that can

Yes such lovely creatures God made...
All things dull and ugly,
All creatures short and squat,
All things rude and nasty,
The Lord God made the lot.
Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings,
He made their brutish venom,
He made their horrid wings.
All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small,
All things foul and dangerous,
The Lord God made them all.
Each nasty little hornet,
Each beastly little squid,
Who made the spikey urchin,
Who made the sharks, He did.
All things scabbed and ulcerous,
All pox both great and small,
Putrid, foul and gangrenous,
The Lord God made them all
AMEN
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User: "Sanitys little helper"

Title: Re: The earth is home to a cheetah cat that can run 70 mph; insects that can sleep for 17 years 18 Jan 2006 01:45:57 AM
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 19:13:56 -0700, Richard Dawkins wrote:

Important!: The idea of purpose and design in the living world is known as
teleology.

Throughout history, people have invented ideas and even whole academic
disciplines in order to evade the reality that they are intellectually
inadequate to the task of understanding how reality actually works.
The honest thing to do would be to admit they don't understand it, and go
and get a job cleaning toilets.
--
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208, HB #6
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User: "Nicholas"

Title: Re: The earth is home to a cheetah cat that can run 70 mph; insectsthat can sleep for 17 years 17 Jan 2006 07:57:08 PM
Richard Dawkins wrote:

Nature Reveals
The earth is home to a cheetah cat that can run 70 mph; insects that can
sleep for 17 years; Weddell seals that can remain underwater for 45 minutes,
diving to depths of 1,500 feet; eight-armed, ink-shooting octopuses that can
eat their own arms and grow new ones; archerfish that can shoot water 15
feet into the air and hit a bug; peregrine falcons that can swoop down on
their prey at 150 mph; iron-eating bacteria that live 10,000 feet beneath
the earth's surface enduring pressures of 3,000 psi and scalding
temperatures of 185° F; and so on.
Richard Dreyfuss, the academy award winning actor, commented on the
WNET/Nature program for February 26, 1997 in relation The Galapagos Islands.
As he watched an incredible display of sea lions surfing the waves on the
very islands that have become closely associated with Charles Darwin, in
amazement he stated; "I'm trying to understand the science of evolution.
But right now, all I can see is a miracle."

Which of course is totally irrelevant as it proves nothing.

Important!: The idea of purpose and design in the living world is known as
teleology.

1. The Manx shearwater birds that live in Wales migrate from America to
home every year flying approximately 250 miles every day. A Manx shearwater
bird captured in Wales was transferred by plane in a crate to America. Then
scientists released the bird in Boston. Incredibly, the bird flew home
across the Atlantic Ocean to its home in Wales, more than 3,100 miles away
in only 12 days, although it had never flown over the ocean before.
How could this occur unless God implanted the knowledge of the bird's home
in its brain?

Try rearing a chick in a new location. It will return there, perhaps one
of the ones that breed off Newfoundland. This is a well known
characteristic of migrating birds. These birds navigate using the
Earth's magnetic field and quite often the Sun on a large scale, and
once in the general area by the landmarks available, which these days
leads to birds navigating along roads. Now the creationists usual
argument is that these are small brained birds, it just can't be
possible. It is in fact extremely easy. You may or may not have heard of
BEAM robotics, but it effectively creates small robots that use basic
neural simulation to function. Navigating by keeping a light source (the
Sun in the birds' case) to one side of you or by keeping a magnetic
field in a certain orientation is easy. A BEAM robot will do it and walk
with a single digit number of neurons. Ants manage the same with
pheromone trails (equivalent to a robot following a line painted on the
floor).
As for the local navigation I am sure that you will agree every animal
is capable of this and finding its home. God doesn't implant the
location in each of their brains, especially as many move habitually:
they just learn it. They recognise the landmarks, which is why birds
navigate via the roads.
But being a natural system, mistakes sometimes occur and birds get lost
and a result new colonies and migration routes form. Perhaps you can
explain how God's impantation could be so imperfect?

2. When a baby is made in its mother the genetic code that governs the eye
programs the baby's body to begin growing optic nerves from both the brain
as well as from the eye. Each eye will have a million nerve endings that
begin growing through the flesh toward the baby's brain. At the same time,
a million optic nerves will begin growing through the flesh towards the baby's
eye. Each of the million optic nerves must find a match up to its mate to
enable sight to exist.

Almost all embryonic development that controls what part of the body
grows where and in which direction is governed by chemical gradients.
This has been experiemntally demonstrated, both by manipulating the
genes responsible for responding and creating these gradients as well as
direct intervention. So the fact that the nerves grow in the right
direction is not surprising. Now each nerve must link up to a
counterpart, but there is no necessity to find a particular counterpart.
The brain takes care of interpretation. This can be demonstrated at a
simple level by an experiment using a pair of glasses which turn the
world upside down. This would be the equivalent of rotating the eyeball
around or (if we had the technology) disconnecting the nerve in your eye
and reconnecting it after a rotation, all connected wrong. The brain
adapts: within days the subjects can function and see without any
problems, except of course when the experiemnt ends and they have to
readjust.
But being a natural system, mistakes sometimes occur. The gradients get
corrupted or aren't produced. All sorts of body plan errors then happen.
Perhaps you can explain how if God designed the system so well, it has
the ability to go so drastically wrong? Or maybe he personally
interferes in those cases?

3. The rattlesnake detects its prey using a small sense organ found between
the nostril and the eyes that is so sensitive it can detect a difference of
temperature of only one thirty-third of a dgree. This ability to detect the
precise temperature of an object in front of the snake enables it to
precisely measure the distance and direction of its prey. This ability to
detect such a small temperature variation is so difficult that only a
computerized thermometer device can detect so small a difference. How could
such a sensitive awareness of temperatures have evolved in the rattlesnake
by chance"?

You are demonstrating the classic error: confusing the root cause of
mutation with the effect. Nothing that is the result of evolution is
there by chance. The initial mutation are random (largely: in fact they
will happen in certain parts of DNA more readily than others, but that
is a complication for the discussion here) but the selection that drives
which survive by having their animal survive and reproduce is not. Those
that harm an animal will disappear, those that benefit it will spread.
So such sensitivity in the rattlesnake is neither a chance event, nor an
event which happened in one instant mutation.
You also make a second error in assuming that computerised systems are
necessarily complex. That often appears so because the computers
encountered in every day life are generalists, designed to perform many
tasks, dependent on their software, but that necessarily makes them
inefficient in terms of the resources they require. Purpose built
electronics is much simpler, much more compact. And that is what neurons
are, purpose built processing. They only ever have to process a signal
for temperature difference (in this case): they will never need to run a
spreadsheet or an email program.
It is not hard really to see how it can come about. We are all sensitive
to temperature: I can tell where a fire is. There is variation amongst
us as to how sensitive we are to temperature. Incidentally it is not
possible to tell distance by temperature alone: you need some idea of
the what the source of the heat is.

4. The woodpecker has two toes in front and two toes in the rear allowing
it to grip the trunk of a tree firmly while pecking for insects. While all
other birds have their bill connected directly to their skull, only the
woodpecker has an unusual spongy tissue between its bill and skull that acts
as a shock absorber while it pecks forcefully at the trunk of a tree for
hours at a time seeking to locate insects. Also, unlike other birds, the
tongue of a woodpecker is not attached to the rear of its mouth.
Incredibly, the woodpecker's tongue is five inches long coiled within its
skull, allowing the bird to locate its insect prey deep within the tree
trunk.

You have your design wrong, ie: the woodpecker's anaomy. The
woodpecker's tongue is connected the same way as in all other birds.
Instead of wasting my time rewriting an already excellent treatment of
this question I will direct you to:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/woodpecker/woodpecker.html

Neo-Darwinism: is a modern and updated version of the original Darwinism.
Neo-Darwinists believe that the combination of natural selection (as
proposed by Darwin), geologic time (millions upon millions of years), and
mutations (based on the Mutation Theory) can explain organic evolution.
Triple- flaw of the theory: It is almost universally agreed that in nature
mutations produce less fit organisms, time (whatever length) brings death
and disintegration, and natural selection destroys unfit organisms, leaving
today's evolutionist without a mechanism for his theory.

You are either deliberately distorting evolution or ignorant of the details.
1) It is not 'almost universally agreed' that mutations produce less fit
organisms. Mutations can produce less fit organisms, have no effect at
all on the fitness or give the organism an advantage; in some cases it
can do more than one depending on how it exists within the organism.
Sickle cell anemia is a good example of a double edged mutation. At
least you admit mutations exist within God's 'perfect' design. How can
this be?
2) Time brings death to an organism, not to the chemistry underlying it.
And the primary purpose underying all life is reproduction: as long as
the information within an organism survives, which it does, the fact
that organism eventually dies is (from our individual pov) an
unfortunate irrelevance. Of course if we are designed by God we should
have no need to reproduce, so why are we designed both to die and reproduce?
You may of course be trying to bring in the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics,
but that only applies to closed systems, which thanks to the Sun
providing a continual influx of usuable energy, Earth is not.
3) Natural selection does prevent unfit organisms from reproducing in
the presence of fitter organisms as they will be outcompeted for
resources, all other things being equal (ie: no medical technology). But
it that process that drives evolution. Only the fastest antelope survive
to reproduce and only the fastest cheetahs. In the absence of predators,
speed would become irrelevant. But then if we are designed, why make the
world like this, especially as some insist that in the Garden of Eden
there was no predation.

5. The difference of neck length in the giraffe was long thought by
evolutionary scientists to be causedby mutation, thus further supporting the
evolutionary process. It is now known that the variation in neck length is
caused by differences in food, or by variation in the number of dominant
genes that control neck length.

The number of dominant genes etc. is how evolution works at the
molecular level. You are somehow trying to make out that the overall
process description is somehow completely different than the underlying
mechanism. It's like saying that rule book for football (soccer) is
wrong because all the players are doing is kicking a ball around the
field. The rules describe how the processes governing how that ball is
being kicked around.
And of course neck length will be influenced by food supply. Our genes
describe our basic design and ability to metabloise to achieve that
design, but in the absence of decent nutrition, any person or animal
with gens for above average height will still be stunted as the basic
building materials will be missing. It's like builders skimping on
houses by missing out a layer or two of bricks to save on costs, but the
basic design remains intact.

6. Living along the seacoast within the tidal zone, the sea slug feeds
primarily on sea anemones. These sea anemones are equipped with thousands
of small stinging cells on their tentacles that explode at the slightest
touch. This explosion plunges poisoned harpoons into attackers paralyzing
them so that they can be drawn into the anemones' stomach to be digested.
The sea slug is able to eat the sea anemones without being stung, exploding
the stinging cells or digesting them. The amazing sea slug moves the
undigested stinging cells through ciliated tubes that are connected to the
stomach where they end up in pouches. The stinging cells are rearranged and
stored in these pouches to be used for the sea slug's own defense system!
Then, whenever the sea slug is attacked, it defends itself using the
stinging cells that the anemone manufactured for its own protection.
How this defense system ever happened is a question that evolutionists have
never been able to explain. Firstly, in order to prevent the stinging cells
from exploding, the sea slug would have to evolve some sort of chemical
means to temporarily neutralize them. It would also have to evolve a new
digestive system, which would digest the tissues of the anemone but not the
stinging cells. The sea slug would also have to cleverly evolve the
sophisticated ciliated tubes and pouches as well as a highly complex
mechanism for arranging, storing, and maintaining the stinging cells.
Finally, and contrary to evolutionary explanations, the anemone would have
to endorse the sea slug's plans by refraining from evolving countermeasures
which is exactly what the theory of evolution dictates a predator would do.

Of course, the first incorrect assumption here is that the ancestral sea
slug would have started munching on the anemone as it exists today, and
indeed it might not get very far unless it had some inate immunity to
the venom involved, which is not an uncommon adaptation, especially as
the predator will have evolved alongside the prey as it increased its
toxicity to other organisms. But evolution applies to all organisms in a
relationship, not just one, so the slug and anemone will have been
evolving together. As such it is quite feasible that the original
predator relationship started when then anemone was a much less feasome
prey.
As it happens, a bit more research indicates that the sea slug is not
immune to the anemone's venom. However, it also throws up the
interesting fact that anemones do not fire their barbs at the slightest
touch or at anything in range automatically, unlike a venus flytrap
which triggers regardless of what is in range of its hairs. Thus drop a
piece of paper on the anemone and it will be handled and discarded.
Impregnate that paper with clam juices and the paper is fired upon and
consumed. This suggests a very simple potential mechanism for avoiding
the attack of an anemone especially if you evolve alongside it as it
develops this weapon: the secret is not to taste like food. A slug can
be killed by anemone if it fails in this deception: yes indeed the
attack is not foolproof. If designed why is this the case?
Now for the digestion. You seem to be unaware that the basic snail
digestive system is entirely unlike our own (and yes nudibranches or sea
slugs are a form of snail). Food is rasped into extremely small pieces
from the prey and passed into the stomach. Unlike us where everything is
digested together, in nudibranches (and other snails) the food is
sorted and sent into individual tubules to be digested. Now the cerata
(which are the specific tubes you are talking about) are just such a
tubule with a dead end. Even with normal indigestible material, it is
kept in the normal tubules for a period before extretion. Hence it is
not difficult to see how such an adaptation could have evolved (bearing
in mind the co evolution principle I have outlined). The sting cells
would have been identified as indigestible and isolated for later
excretion. Those organisms that were holding such cells would have been
more likely to survive a predatory attack, especially if the sting cells
were located near their skin. Those nudibranches more capable of
tolerating the cells would have a distinct advantage over those who
couldn't. Any movement of tubules to allow the cells to be held close to
the surface would have been propogated. And don;t forget the original
sting cells would likely have been less sophiscated and less toxic.
Hence as the anemone improved their 'design', with success against its
own prey, the nudibranch would have been able to keep pace with the
incremental improvements by similiar changes itself.
Evolution cannot be viewed as the adaptation of one organism against a
static ecosystem: everything within that ecosystem is simultaneously
subject to selection and so a situation that would seem impossible given
the situation you see is actually quite possile when all the aspects
arrive together. For a simple analogy: consider folding the four flaps
of a box together to seal the top. It is easy to fold the first three
into an interlocking arrangement but how can you get the fourth there,
except by designing it in place? Easy. You don't interlock each flap in
turn, you do them all together. Thus they only slighly interlock
initially, but as they are folded down, their interrealtionship becomes
much more bound together until it is apparently impossible to see how it
could be achieved. That is how these seemly complex and 'impossible'
interelationships came to be. You have to stop thinking of evolution as
happening on one organism at any one time.

Important Fact!: Mutations are almost always (99.99%) harmful, if not
lethal to the unfortunate organism in which they occur.

Do you have a source for this figure?

Important Fact!: Mutations are not only harmful, but they are also very
rare. Only once in approximately every ten million duplications of a DNA
molecule do they occur. Also, mutations are random, not directional. This
makes them unpredictable so that they don't follow any ordered design or
plan.

1) That sounds extremely unlikely doesn't it? Only one mutation per 10
million duplications. Here's the problem: there are about 10 *trillion*
cells in a human body, some estimate more). That means you can expect
about 1 million mutations in your every human body and that assumes all
your cells are the first ones you had at each point of your body. This
brings us back to your "fact" above. Are you now so sure the figure is
correct? Of course some will be and in a certain place on the genome
bringing into existence such diseases as cancer. Why would God design
something in such a flawed way?
This becomes even more important for reproduction. Human males produce
between 10-50 million sperm a day of which 40% is obviously defective
when examined in a normal specimen. And human males are one of the
slowest producers of sperm on record (gorillas are even worse with
smaller testes despite their body size).
2) They indeed don't follow a plan. However, mutations are not random
within the genome: some sections are far more prone to mutation than
others and certain kinds of problem, such as production of a duplication
tend to occur local to the original. Additionally whilst the mutations
are 'random' the selection that guides which survive as positive
attributes are not, so there will be a general direction in movement.
The same principle applies to wind: randomly moving molecules with an
overall direction only observable in a whole population, not for an
individual.

7. The Bull's Horn Acacia tree of Central and South America has large
hollow thorns that are inhabited by a species of ferocious stinging ants.
The tree also supplies food to the ants through small bumps that exist on
the exterior. The ants receive food and shelter from this tree. In return
the ants protect the tree by viciously attacking any intruders. The truly
amazing thing about this relationship is that these ants are also gardeners
that make regular raids in all directions from their home tree, destroying
every green shoot that tries to grow near their home tree. Because of this
the ants' home tree always has lots of sunlight and space to grow, which is
a rare thing in the tropical jungles and forests where the competition for
these things is intense. Experiments have shown that when the ants are
taken away from one of these trees, the tree dies within two to fifteen
months.
Evolutionist cannot explain how a relationship like this would ever come
into being. They casually attempt to label it as a symbiotic relationship
and an example of co-adaptation. They fail however to explain how this
relation would develop through the evolutionary process.

Once again you have to realise that evolution affects everything at
once. Let's start with a tree which secretes a nice substance as a
byproduct: plenty do one way or another. Then you have an ant which
finds this substance nourishing. If they can rely on the supply of,
let's call it manna, then they have no need to migrate. However, ants
generally are territorial and will protect their nest site. In doing
this they will protect the tree from any other predation. As a result
the tree no longer needs to produce its own insecticides for defence:
production of these chemicals takes resources and those that dispense
with it, provided they have another source of protection will grow
quicker, reproduce earlier and as a result be more successful. However,
remove the protection and they will be more vunerable to predation than
most other trees, hence why they die so quickly.
As for the destruction of nearby shoots, that is not much of a deviation
in behaviour from just attacking attacking predators for ants: indeed
other species are naturally aggressive. Those colonies that were more
inclined to strip vegetation would have acted slowly in a similar
fashion to the removal of the insecticide on the growth of their tree.
Again this behaviour would have been pushed in one way as the healthier
tree provided more food for them.
But why would God create such a system: after all the Garden of Eden was
supposed to be a paradise, not a place with in built destruction.

8. Cleaning Symbiosis is a situation that ridicules the evolutionary
process. Large predatory fish, after feeding continually on smaller fish
and shrimp find that their mouths are littered with debris and parasites.
In this unique relationship the fish opens its mouth and gill chambers,
baring vicious-looking teeth, so that little "cleaner fish and shrimp" can
swim in, clean out the mouth of the much larger predator fish and swim out
again once the job is completed. Once the task is done the big fish swims
away. Although all parties obviously benefit from this relationship it does
not explain how the relationship itself ever developed. Remember that
survival can only be used as an argument after a relationship has been
established. To further complicate things for the evolutionist, this
situation exists with several species of predatory fish, cleaner fish, and
shrimp. If evolution were truly an option, wouldn't animal instincts and
self-preservation surely override any such unnatural suicidal tendencies
instinctively present in the small and quite vulnerable "cleaner fish and
shrimp?"

Remember yet again co-evolution. We are talking about a predator fish
that already exists and then taking on a new cleaner species. Both will
develop together. Bear in mind the advantages of a cleaner species,
beyond just the cleaning and them being too small too provide a
worthwhile meal: that is camoflage, providing the appearance that all is
still and well. As a hunting strategy foregoing insignificant prey to
avoid alerting a decent meal would pay. It isn't hard to imagine an
evolutionary path.

Also, to complicate things further for the evolutionist, there is a bird
called the Egyptian plover, that is willing to walk into the mouth of the
Nile crocodile to clean out parasites. He, too, leaves completely unharmed.

Same principle, different environment.

Important Quote!: "Overwhelmingly strong proofs of intelligent and
benevolent design lie around us.the atheistic idea is so nonsensical that I
cannot put it into words."

Lord Kelvin, brilliant British physicist

Lord Kelvin, 1824-1907. A physicist. So a scientist 100 years out of
date and no biological training. And once again of course opinion is not
proof. Aristotle and Socrates, no doubt, were as supportive of the
pantheon of Olympus whilst also being brilliant men in their fields.

9. The bombardier beetle is a small insect with a most impressive defense
mechanism. When threatened, this little beetle blasts irritating and odious
gases, which are at 212° F, out from two tailpipes right unto the
unfortunate face of the aggressor. Hermann Schildknecht, a German chemist,
studied the bombardier beetle to find out how this incredible chemical feat
is accomplished. The beetle makes his explosive by mixing together two very
dangerous chemicals (hydroquinone and hydrogen peroxide). Also, the beetle
adds another chemical known as an "inhibitor" which prevents the chemicals
from blowing up and aids the beetle in storing the chemicals indefinitely
When the beetle is approached by a predator, like a frog, he squirts the
stored chemicals into the two combustion tubes, and at precisely the right
moment he adds another chemical (an anti-inhibitor). This knocks out the
inhibitor, and a violent explosion occurs into the face of the predator.
Could this complex and marvelous mechanism have evolved over millions of
years? According to evolutionists there must have been thousands of
generations of beetles improperly mixing these hazardous chemicals in fatal
evolutionary experiments, blowing themselves to pieces. Over time they (the
evolutionists) tell us that the beetles arrived at the magic formula.
What about the development of the inhibitor???? There is no need to evolve
an inhibitor unless you already have two chemicals you are trying to
inhibit. On the other hand, if you already have the two chemicals without
the inhibitor, it is already too late, for you have just blown yourself
up!!!!!!!
Then to complicate things further for the evolutionists, the beetle still
must create the anti-inhibitor so that it can be added to the solution at
just the right time. Furthermore, the beetle still needs to evolve two
combustion tubes, and a precision communications and timing network to
control and adjust the critical direction and timing of the explosion. To
think that the entire defense mechanism evolved all at once is simply
impossible.

Indeed, but no one is suggesting it evolved all at once. And then there
is your description of the process: it is WRONG, based ona
mistranslation of a 1961 paper by Schildknecht and Holoubek. Wrong how?
Hydroquinone and hydrogen peroxide do not spontaneously explode when
combined, and as a result the beetle has no inhibitor or anti-inhibitor.
In addition the explosion occurs *inside* the beetle and the force
directed at the aggressor. You can't even get the 'design' right.
I'm not going to explain this one mysefl but direct you to a much more
detailed explanation than I have time to write here at:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/bombardier.html

10. The water beetle escapes his enemies by secreting a detergent substance
from a gland that accomplishes two things. First it propels the beetle
quickly away from its predator so that he is out of immediate danger.
Secondly, the detergent causes the surface tension of water to break down
causing the predator insect to sink into the water.

This isn't exactly a hard one considering the number of molecules which
will do that. A molecule secreted for another purpose beig copted by
gradual improvements.

"O Lord, how manifold are thy works! In wisdom hast thou made them all: the
earth is full of thy riches"
Psalm 104:24

Let's take psalm 104 and examine it:
5: Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it can never be
shaken;
That's a bit odd, condiering the Earth is a free spinning planet. Prone
to earthquakes too. Indeed the Indonesian one a year ago actually
shifted the planet slightly. Seems v5 is inaccurate.
9: Thou didst fix a boundary which they might not pass; they shall not
return to cover the earth.
How do you explain tsumamis in the light of this verse? The loss of land
to the sea? The rising global sea level (regardless of the root cause)?
Seems v9 is inaccurate.
In passing verse 15 certainly seems to be a blow for any Christian
temperance movement out there: "Thou makest [.....] and wine to gladden
mens hearts."
19: Thou hast made the moon to measure the year and taught the sun where
to set.
Interesting as a year is relative to the Sun. Maybe this inability to
tell time is the root of the problems in Genesis. And of course the Sun
doesn't actually need to be taught where to set as it never actually
does. Earth just rotates from its fixed foundation. Seems v19 in inaccurate.
26: Here ships sail to and fro, here is Leviathan whom thou hast made
thy plaything.
Who or what is Leviathan?

11. The lesser white-throated warbler spends summers in Germany and winters
in Africa. As summer draws to a close the parent birds leave their young
and fly to Africa. The young birds leave several weeks later, flying across
thousands of miles of unfamiliar land and sea to rejoin their parents.
Experiments have shown that within the brains of these birds is the
inherited knowledge of how to tell latitude, longitude, and direction by the
stars, plus a calendar, a clock, and all the necessary navigational data.
This allows these young birds to fly, unguided, thousands of miles across
unfamiliar territory and water to rejoin their parents.

This is just a variation on the Manx Shearwater.

12. Other migratory animals include the golden plover that travels
approximately 8,000 miles south from the Hudson Bay region, crossing about
2,000 miles over the sea from Nova Scotia to the Caribbean countries, and
winters in Argentina. It returns by way of Central America and the
Mississippi Valley. The barn swallow migrates a distance of 9,000 miles
from northern Canada to Argentina. The arctic tern migrates some 14,000
miles each year traveling from pole to pole and back. Whales, fur seals,
bats, salmon, turtles, eels, lemmings, and various other animals also
migrate.

More variations on a theme, dealt with in more detail with the Manx
Shearwater.

This incredible sense of direction causes an enormous amount of distress for
the evolutionist. How to explain that these gifts evolved bit by bit over
millions of years by mere chance without the guiding hand of an intelligent
creator is baffling indeed. Remember that these migratory instincts are
useless unless they are absolutely perfect!!!

No distress for me. But it is wrong to say that such instincts are
useless except in the current form. Navigation by the stars is useful
over any distance for night flying and navigation by Sun by day. The
magnetic field works all the time. All useful over short distances as
well as long which where they were most probably used first. And at
short distances navigational errors are less critical, so a less perfect
system works sufficently. The clock and calendar is common to all life
and even influences inanimate objects via the changes in temperature and
tides as two primary examples.

Simply put, it is useless and lethal to be able to navigate perfectly across
only half an ocean.

Perhaps. But in this case you are forgetting the Earth is not static.
Migratory routes across the Atlantic would have started as land routes.
And then slowly, year by year the Atlantic widened. More than slowly
enough for the physical and navigational abilities of the birds in
question to have kept up. And most of the other routes you speak of are
over land with minor stretches of water. And then of course, sea
creatures migrating via the oceans are no more than a variation on herds
of wilderbeast migrating in their home environment.

13. Insects are the only invertebrates that can fly. They are more diverse
than any other invertebrates, with about 1 million species worldwide. The
wing of an insect is an amazing design that is capable of a very strong
sculling action. The wing movement is very complex consisting of elevation
and depression, fore and aft movement, pronation and supination, and changes
in shape by folding and buckling. Many insects can hover or even fly
backward. Some can even fly sideways or rotate about the head or tail by
utilizing unequal wing movement.
Some insects, such as bees, wasps, and flies must combine excellent flying
skills with a small wing area. For example, the honeybee could not function
in its hive with large wings. This reduction in wing size is compensated
for by a very rapid wing-beat. Such frequencies range from 55 "beats" per
second for some beetles, to over 200 "beats" per second for the honeybee.
The midge has an amazing wing-beat of 1,046 "beats" per second.

I'm not clear what aspects of this you consider too difficult to evolve.

14. The decoy-fish is a type of anglerfish that lives in the waters near
Oahu, Hawaii. This fish uses its dorsal fin to attract its prey. When
dinner is in sight, the decoy-fish's dorsal fin goes up and appears to be a
separate smaller fish, complete with a mouth and eye. When the decoy-fish
raises its lure, it stops moving its gills, stops breathing, and the lure
becomes colored with a deep red coloring. At the same time the part that
attaches the lure to the decoy-fish becomes transparent, effectively
separating it from the fish. The decoy-fish then remains perfectly still
while moving the decoy lure from side to side, causing the "mouth" to open
and close. The unsuspecting fish comes close to the lure and the decoy-fish
eats it with lightning speed.
There are other types of lures used by a variety of angler fish. One fish
has a lure attached to a "fishing pole" suspended over its mouth. Another
type has the "fishing pole" coming out of its back with a luminescent "bulb"
at the end of it. Still another type of angler fish has a "light bulb"
hanging from the roof of its mouth. Small fish are drawn to it and swim
right inside the angler's mouth to their death. Another fish lures its prey
with a shrimp-like appendage that it moves backward in a darting motion just
like a real shrimp. Occasionally the "bait" gets nipped off. Fortunately
this was anticipated by the designer (evolution would not do this) as these
fish have the ability to re-grow the "bait". Incredibly the new appendage
starts to grow within a few days and is fully replaced in about two weeks.
Without this ability to re-grow their "lure" mechanism these fish would
probably perish.

Why would evolution not replace a lure? if it improved the ability of a
fish to survive and reproduce it most certainly would be an expected result.

15. There are endless amounts of visual beauty present throughout nature.
This has long been a puzzle to the evolutionist. How did such beauty
occur?? Surely the initial life forms in the evolutionary scheme did not
possess beauty of any kind. Much to the dismay of the evolutionist, visual
beauty is often quite useless except for the aesthetic gratification of man
and God.

Beauty, as they say, is in the eyes of the beholder. What we consider
beautiful other species would not and vice versa. The purpose of this
beauty is for signalling in one way another, the usual reasons being to
attracta mate or warn off a predator. Such things have to be noticeable.

Useless and hidden visual beauty is indeed an evolutionist's nightmare. To
his way of "thinking," everything that evolves must have a particular
purpose, or else it would never evolve. Evolution is supposed to be a
responsible process. The problem lies in that many of natures beautiful
structures are never seen. The Rhodicthys fish is of a bright red color yet
it lives in total darkness, 1.5 miles below the surface of the ocean. Also,
at the same unseen depths, you will find the deep-sea Neoscopelus
macrolepidotus, which is vividly colored with azure blue, bright red, silver
spots, and black circles! Even the eggs of some deep-sea creatures are
brilliantly colored.

Evolution has no responsibility, it just is. A fail to see why because
something you consider beautiful is never seen by humans in the normal
fccourse of things this has any bearing on the debate between evolution
and creation. Indeed it could just as easily be argued that designing
beauty where it is not seen to be appreciated is wasteful and poor
practice. However, of course, it is seen by the intended audience for
the relevant purpose. Human predilictions are irrelevant.

In conclusion, if visual beauty is a natural consequence of evolutionary
progression, why is it that the lower forms of life display greater visual
beauty than the higher forms, such as man?? Evolutionary thinking fails
dismally in attempting to explain visual beauty and are constantly baffled
by natures endless, and widespread beauty that serves no practical purpose
other than the pleasure of both man and God.

This just isn't a subject for this debate: it is a subject for the way
the brain works. Why should we find some things beautiful and others not?

16. Mimicry is a fascinating phenomenon of nature where one type of
organism imitates or "mimics" another type.

Spiders can disguise themselves as ants. This may at first not sound too
impressive but remember that spiders have eight legs while ants only have
six. The spider holds up his two front legs over his forehead and wiggles
them like antennae to fool the ants.

The caterpillar of the Lobster moth in Britain modifies its legs to hang
down like the scales surrounding the buds of the beech tree. Amazingly they
are the proper number, length, color, and shape for this very purpose. When
the larva is attacked it lowers flaps on its sides, which uncover black
"wounds" that trick the attacker into thinking that it has already fallen
victim to another parasite. Disappointed, the enemy departs.

Many insects "mimic" stinging or bad tasting models to fool predators. Many
species of butterflies imitate monarchs or other bad tasting butterflies or
moths. Some flies "mimic" bees or hornets. To bewilder evolutionists
further is the fact that sometimes only one sex of a species will mimic
while the other will not.

One desert lizard draws insects close using the corner of its mouth that
when opened resembles a small desert flower.

Certain female fireflies "mimic" the flashes of females of other species,
and when their excited would-be suitors arrive, they eat them.

The cuckoo of Europe and the cowbird of the United States both lay their
eggs in the nests of other birds and successfully manage to have their young
raised by the unsuspecting foster parents. Incidentally, the "foster
nestlings" eliminate all of the legitimate members of the family by pushing
them out of the nest.

Evolutionary "thinking" is completely incapable of explaining the origin,
development, or perfection of such mimicry, especially when it is
accompanied by the comitant (existing or occurring together) imitation of
shape, color, habit, and so on.

Again you forget coevolution. All that is required for mimicry to start
is to fool the predator of the day. That predator being unused to it
will be easily fooled. So even looking a bit like a leaf or a rock when
the variance in your species makes others more obvious will aid your
survival. Of course as this works, the whole populations starts to look
more like a leaf. This affects the predator because those less
sophisticated will fail to find food whilst those who are more capable
will see through the mimicry more easilym, which will drive the mimicry
towards ever more accuracy and make the predator ever more discerning. A
similar argument appliues where the predator is trying to disguise itself.
Your repeated error is to think that one organism is evolving the
ability from scratch in an environment where the competition is alrwady
fully evolved to counter that innovation.

17. Convergence is the phenomenon that evolutionists use to describe how
similar organs, structures, colors, habits, and so on, exist in unrelated
types of organisms. They (evolutionists) explain this phenomenon to the
effects of similar environmental demands on different organisms resulting in
similar structures, habits and so forth. This concept is known as
convergence. The problem lies in explaining how a highly complex structure
developed just once. To try to convince someone that such amazing and
precise structures evolved independently from widely different ancestral
organisms, each time starting from a completely dissimilar structural
beginning, is sheer fantasy.

It isn;t really all that surprising. You need to move fast you want to
be aerodynamic. There is only one most efficient shape for that in a
given environment. Wherever you start from, if you need speed you will
eventually end up in the same place as others. Even our own human
designs do it.

Take for example the highly developed sonar systems that are found in both
the bat and the porpoise. Or take the complex wing mechanism which has
supposedly evolved independently four separate times in insects, bats,
flying reptiles, and birds. To make matters worse for the evolutionist,
there are no fossil transitional forms that demonstrate the ability to fly
as having evolved.

Pleased you mentioned transitional forms. This is of course a major
fallacy in the understanding of evolution. There are no intermediate
species, just a progression of gradually changing individuals. The
principle can be shown in geographical terms too. Take the Herring Gull
and the Lesser Black-backed Gulls. Two distinct species in Britain.
Don't interbreed. But heres the thing, move west towards America and the
Herring Gull starts to change. Gradually. Those at any particular spot
are quite able to mate with the slight variances geographically to
either side of them. You can follow this trend this all round the world
back to Britain. The Herring Gull continually changing. Problem is when
you arrive home you haven't got the Herring Gull but the Lesser
Black-backed Gull. 'Obviously' two species. But where is the
intermediate form? Now just apply the same principal ijn time.
There are plenty of fossils demonstrating stages along the path to
flight for birds. True there is not a fossil for every generation or
even every 10,000 generations but there are no fossils inconsistent with
evolution. The evidence certainly does not support a simultaneous
creation date for every species to have ever lived.

Important note!: The modern evolutionary theory contains, and expects us to
believe, two of the most unbelievable scenarios that are 1) nothing created
the material universe, and 2) lifeless matter created all living diversity
in its endless life forms.

1) Wrong. It expects you to believe a physical process created the
material universe, as yet not fully described.
2) Correct, at the start of life.

Because both assumptions are flat out impossible the evolutionary
scientist faces a rather obvious and serious dilemma. In the first
situation the evolutionary scientist has only nothing to work with-not
space, time, or quantum matter-only nothing. Now the evolutionary scientist
must explain how from nothing our amazingly ordered and magnificent universe
came to be. In the second story, there is at least something to work with-a
lifeless universe. Now from this lifeless universe science must explain an
entire series of impossible events-how pre-biological evolution occurred
(how unorganized matter organized itself into the chemical precursors of
life permitting upward evolution); how early microbial life evolved further
in the primeval oceans; how subsequent ocean life evolved from this; how
"water breathing" fish evolved into land animals; how reptiles evolved into
birds (and, as some would say, how birds evolved into dinosaurs); how cold
blooded reptiles evolved into warm blooded mammals; and how people came from
lower animals.

Hmm, rather too much to discuss in a single post. Needless to say
explanations exist for every stage.

18. The earth is positioned at just the right distance from the sun so that
we receive exactly the proper amount of heat to support life. The other
planets of our solar system are either too close to the sun (too hot) or
else too far from the sun (too cold) to sustain life.

According to Psalm 104 the Earth isn't circling the Sun. There are
billions of solar systems: it's hardly surprising that there are some
planets in the right place. We are on one of them.

19. If the speed that the earth turns were to decrease by as much as 10% of
its present rate all plant life would either be burned to a crisp during the
day or frozen at night.

Just plain wrong.

20. The amount that the earth's temperature varies is minimized because of
the nearly perfect circular orbit of the earth around the sun.

So why is not perfectly circular if it is designed to be where it is?
But see 18). But even a more elliptical orbit would not prohibit life,
although it would be different than what we see today.

21. The moon moves around the earth at a distance of roughly 240,000 miles.
This causes the harmless tides of the various bodies of water. If the moon
were located 1/5th the distance away, the continents would be completely
submerged twice a day.

How does that prevent life?

22. If the thickness of the earth's crust and the depth's of the oceans
were to increase by only a few feet it would alter the absorption of free
oxygen and carbon dioxide so severely that plant and animal life could not
exist.

Wrong, as will be amply demonstrated in the next century or so. Although
if that is misinformation being put out by creationists, why is Bush so
lax about preventing this from happening?

23. The earth's atmosphere (ozone layer) provides a protective shield
against solar ultraviolet radiation that would otherwise destroy all life.
Also, the atmosphere protects the earth from approximately 20 million meters
that enter it each day at speeds of roughly 30 miles per second. The earth
is rotating at a speed of over 1,000 miles per hour at the equator. We are
moving around the Sun at roughly 67,000/mph. In the lifetime of an average
person the earth will move around the Sun 70 times traveling an incredible
41 billion miles. We are moving around the nucleus of the Milky Way Galaxy
at roughly 500,000/mph. The Milky Way Galaxy is speeding along at an
amazing 1.1 million mph.

And the point of this to the debate is?

Important Quote!: "This most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and
comets could only proceed from the counsel and domain of an intelligent and
powerful Being." Sir Isaac Newton

A man from the 1600s. Is there no one equivalent with the knowledge of
modern science to quote? This was the same man who also thought alchemy
would get somewhere. A brilliant but highly erratic man.
Once again quotes, especially from those long dead and ignorant of the
state of science today, are irrelevant.

TRY AND FIGURE THIS ONE OUT.

Our Sun makes up about 98% of the total mass of our solar system. It is
about 27 million degrees Fahrenheit at its core with a pressure 250 billion

[load of physical numbers]

this system is identical with the center of our galaxy."
(Astronomy Magazine; July 1997, page 25)

NOW. as you ponder the enormousness of the known universe remember that the
Big Bang Theory states that at one time all the matter in the universe, yes
everything, all of it was once compressed into an area no larger than the
point of a pin. Then over time it became all that we see in the heaven's
and see on the earth.all on its own.

Now remember this; The earth was created on the first day of creation.
Genesis 1:1 The sun, moon and stars were not created until the fourth day.
Genesis 1: 14-19

And remember this; "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament
sheweth his handywork" Psalm 19:1

And also this; "By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's
command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible."
Hebrews 11:3

24. The following two "laws" are proven scientific laws that have been
tested again and again under many different types of systems. No reputable
scientist doubts their validity and full applicability.

The 1st law of thermodynamics, also known as the law of energy conservation,
states that energy can be converted from one form to another but cannot be
created or destroyed. This law shows conclusively that the universe did not
create itself.

No, it doesn't. It only states that the energy already existed at the
time of the Big Bang. Modern physics only recognises the Big Bang as the
start of our universe, not the start of physics or the existence of
everything.

The 2nd law of thermodynamics, also known as the law of energy decay, states
that every system left to its own devices tends to move from order to
disorder. In layman's terms the universe is moving in a downward,
degenerating direction of decreasing organization.

Indeed.

Important Quote!: "If your theory is found to be against the second law of
thermodynamics I can give you no hope; there is nothing for it but to
collapse in deepest humiliation." Arthur Eddington, British
astronomer

Remember that evolution demands billions and billions of years of
continual, unsupervised order which is in constant and consistent violation
of the second law of thermodynamics!!!

No, it doesn't. The 2nd Law only applies to a closed system, which to
our current knowledge is the case for the universe. However, this is not
the case for organisms or the planet as a whole due to the continual
energy input from the Sun.
And evolution doesn't require billions and billions of years for life.
It has just taken about three billion or so to reach out stage. Life
itself seems to have been around only a few hundred million years after
the Earth formed. May not be complex, but still evolved and evolving.

Noted scientist Lynn Margulis, a professor of biology at the University of
Massachusetts states that history will finally evaluate neo-Darwinism (today's
form of Darwinism thus "neo") as "a minor twentieth-century religious sect
within the sprawling religious persuasion of Anglo-Saxon biology."
At some of her many public lectures, she asks the molecular biologists
attending to name a single unambiguous example of new species formation
through accumulated mutations. No one has yet accepted her challenge.

See the Herring Gull example.
Nicholas
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User: "Matt Giwer"

Title: Re: The earth is home to a cheetah cat that can run 70 mph; insectsthat can sleep for 17 years 18 Jan 2006 03:52:38 AM
Nicholas wrote:

Pleased you mentioned transitional forms. This is of course a major
fallacy in the understanding of evolution. There are no intermediate
species, just a progression of gradually changing individuals. The
principle can be shown in geographical terms too. Take the Herring Gull
and the Lesser Black-backed Gulls. Two distinct species in Britain.
Don't interbreed. But heres the thing, move west towards America and the
Herring Gull starts to change. Gradually. Those at any particular spot
are quite able to mate with the slight variances geographically to
either side of them. You can follow this trend this all round the world
back to Britain. The Herring Gull continually changing. Problem is when
you arrive home you haven't got the Herring Gull but the Lesser
Black-backed Gull. 'Obviously' two species. But where is the
intermediate form? Now just apply the same principal ijn time.

Something related which stares us in the face all the time is dogs. In North America we find
regular mention of housepets breeding with wolves and coyotes. One assumes therefore wolves and
coyotes interbreed. American housepet dogs are decended from old world dogs. I don't know about
dingos but it appears all other types of dogs freely interbreed. We find no natural barriers north
to south against interbreeding yet we do not find wolves in arid areas nor coyotes in Canada.
So with what we reasonably presume to be natural interbreeding in the wild we always find natural
selection keeping the type of dogs distinct.
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User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic"

Title: Re: The earth is home to a cheetah cat that can run 70 mph; insects that can sleep for 17 years 14 Apr 2006 10:20:18 AM
Another example is found in horses, it is impossible for a Clydesdale and
miniture horse to mate !
Thank you for your fresh insights !
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Nicholas wrote:

Pleased you mentioned transitional forms. This is of course a major
fallacy in the understanding of evolution. There are no intermediate
species, just a progression of gradually changing individuals. The
principle can be shown in geographical terms too. Take the Herring Gull
and the Lesser Black-backed Gulls. Two distinct species in Britain. Don't
interbreed. But heres the thing, move west towards America and the
Herring Gull starts to change. Gradually. Those at any particular spot
are quite able to mate with the slight variances geographically to either
side of them. You can follow this trend this all round the world back to
Britain. The Herring Gull continually changing. Problem is when you
arrive home you haven't got the Herring Gull but the Lesser Black-backed
Gull. 'Obviously' two species. But where is the intermediate form? Now
just apply the same principal ijn time.


Something related which stares us in the face all the time is dogs. In
North America we find regular mention of housepets breeding with wolves
and coyotes. One assumes therefore wolves and coyotes interbreed. American
housepet dogs are decended from old world dogs. I don't know about dingos
but it appears all other types of dogs freely interbreed. We find no
natural barriers north to south against interbreeding yet we do not find
wolves in arid areas nor coyotes in Canada.

So with what we reasonably presume to be natural interbreeding in the wild
we always find natural selection keeping the type of dogs distinct.

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User: "Matt Giwer"

Title: Re: The earth is home to a cheetah cat that can run 70 mph; insectsthat can sleep for 17 years 18 Jan 2006 02:47:32 AM
Nicholas wrote:

Richard Dawkins wrote:

....

Important!: The idea of purpose and design in the living world is
known as teleology.

1. The Manx shearwater birds that live in Wales migrate from America
to home every year flying approximately 250 miles every day. A Manx
shearwater bird captured in Wales was transferred by plane in a crate
to America. Then scientists released the bird in Boston. Incredibly,
the bird flew home across the Atlantic Ocean to its home in Wales,
more than 3,100 miles away in only 12 days, although it had never
flown over the ocean before.
How could this occur unless God implanted the knowledge of the bird's
home in its brain?

Try rearing a chick in a new location. It will return there, perhaps one
of the ones that breed off Newfoundland. This is a well known
characteristic of migrating birds. These birds navigate using the
Earth's magnetic field and quite often the Sun on a large scale, and
once in the general area by the landmarks available, which these days
leads to birds navigating along roads. Now the creationists usual
argument is that these are small brained birds, it just can't be
possible. It is in fact extremely easy. You may or may not have heard of
BEAM robotics, but it effectively creates small robots that use basic
neural simulation to function. Navigating by keeping a light source (the
Sun in the birds' case) to one side of you or by keeping a magnetic
field in a certain orientation is easy. A BEAM robot will do it and walk
with a single digit number of neurons. Ants manage the same with
pheromone trails (equivalent to a robot following a line painted on the
floor).
As for the local navigation I am sure that you will agree every animal
is capable of this and finding its home. God doesn't implant the
location in each of their brains, especially as many move habitually:
they just learn it. They recognise the landmarks, which is why birds
navigate via the roads.

But closer to the point, no one claims cruise missiles are as smart as insects, they are much
dumber, and the banned land launched cruise missiles had ranges of 5-6000 miles. They used terrain
following and simple gyros over the ocean. And they were banned soon after they became operational
some 30 years ago. We are not even talking about much more than an 8-bit microprocessor or two or
something older and slower.
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User: "Naebad"

Title: Re: The earth is home to a cheetah cat that can run 70 mph; insects that can sleep for 17 years 18 Jan 2006 03:37:03 AM
"Matt Giwer" <jull43@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote in message
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Nicholas wrote:

Richard Dawkins wrote:


...

Important!: The idea of purpose and design in the living world is
known as teleology.

1. The Manx shearwater birds that live in Wales migrate from America
to home every year flying approximately 250 miles every day. A Manx
shearwater bird captured in Wales was transferred by plane in a crate
to America. Then scientists released the bird in Boston. Incredibly,
the bird flew home across the Atlantic Ocean to its home in Wales,
more than 3,100 miles away in only 12 days, although it had never
flown over the ocean before.
How could this occur unless God implanted the knowledge of the bird's
home in its brain?


Try rearing a chick in a new location. It will return there, perhaps one
of the ones that breed off Newfoundland. This is a well known
characteristic of migrating birds. These birds navigate using the
Earth's magnetic field and quite often the Sun on a large scale, and
once in the general area by the landmarks available, which these days
leads to birds navigating along roads. Now the creationists usual
argument is that these are small brained birds, it just can't be
possible. It is in fact extremely easy. You may or may not have heard of
BEAM robotics, but it effectively creates small robots that use basic
neural simulation to function. Navigating by keeping a light source (the
Sun in the birds' case) to one side of you or by keeping a magnetic
field in a certain orientation is easy. A BEAM robot will do it and walk
with a single digit number of neurons. Ants manage the same with
pheromone trails (equivalent to a robot following a line painted on the
floor).


As for the local navigation I am sure that you will agree every animal
is capable of this and finding its home. God doesn't implant the
location in each of their brains, especially as many move habitually:
they just learn it. They recognise the landmarks, which is why birds
navigate via the roads.


But closer to the point, no one claims cruise missiles are as smart as

insects, they are much

dumber, and the banned land launched cruise missiles had ranges of 5-6000

miles. They used terrain

following and simple gyros over the ocean. And they were banned soon after

they became operational

some 30 years ago. We are not even talking about much more than an 8-bit

microprocessor or two or

something older and slower.


AN 8 bit processor? Quite a few I think you will find.
Naebad
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User: "Matt Giwer"

Title: Re: The earth is home to a cheetah cat that can run 70 mph; insectsthat can sleep for 17 years 19 Jan 2006 02:33:58 AM
Naebad wrote:

"Matt Giwer" <jull43@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Egnzf.7772$Zj7.3288@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...

Nicholas wrote:

Richard Dawkins wrote:


...


Important!: The idea of purpose and design in the living world is
known as teleology.

1. The Manx shearwater birds that live in Wales migrate from America
to home every year flying approximately 250 miles every day. A Manx
shearwater bird captured in Wales was transferred by plane in a crate
to America. Then scientists released the bird in Boston. Incredibly,
the bird flew home across the Atlantic Ocean to its home in Wales,
more than 3,100 miles away in only 12 days, although it had never
flown over the ocean before.
How could this occur unless God implanted the knowledge of the bird's
home in its brain?


Try rearing a chick in a new location. It will return there, perhaps one
of the ones that breed off Newfoundland. This is a well known
characteristic of migrating birds. These birds navigate using the
Earth's magnetic field and quite often the Sun on a large scale, and
once in the general area by the landmarks available, which these days
leads to birds navigating along roads. Now the creationists usual
argument is that these are small brained birds, it just can't be
possible. It is in fact extremely easy. You may or may not have heard of
BEAM robotics, but it effectively creates small robots that use basic
neural simulation to function. Navigating by keeping a light source (the
Sun in the birds' case) to one side of you or by keeping a magnetic
field in a certain orientation is easy. A BEAM robot will do it and walk
with a single digit number of neurons. Ants manage the same with
pheromone trails (equivalent to a robot following a line painted on the
floor).


As for the local navigation I am sure that you will agree every animal
is capable of this and finding its home. God doesn't implant the
location in each of their brains, especially as many move habitually:
they just learn it. They recognise the landmarks, which is why birds
navigate via the roads.

But closer to the point, no one claims cruise missiles are as smart as insects, they are much
dumber, and the banned land launched cruise missiles had ranges of 5-6000 miles. They used terrain
following and simple gyros over the ocean. And they were banned soon after they became operational
some 30 years ago. We are not even talking about much more than an 8-bit microprocessor or two or
something older and slower.

AN 8 bit processor? Quite a few I think you will find.

I am not sure any of them could pass mil-spec in those days. It doesn't matter how good they are if
they quit working over 120F or some such. And the R&D for them would have started before even the
4004 so they may not have been available to design in.
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