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User: "martus"
Date: 09 Feb 2004 10:53:01 PM
Object: The flow of God!
John 8:57-59 (NKJV)
57 Then the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and
have You seen Abraham?"
58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham
was, I AM."
59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and
went out of the temple, agoing 7through the midst of them, and so
passed by.
*Jesus tells them that He was in existance before Abraham and goes
onto using the name of God "I Am" that He identified Himself to the
Jewish People around 2000yrs before.
Exodus 3:14 (NRSV)
14 "Thus you shall say to the Israelites, ‘I Am has sent me to you.'
Isaiah 7:12-14 (NLT)
13 Then Isaiah said, "Listen well, you royal family of David! You
aren't satisfied to exhaust my patience. You exhaust the patience of
God as well! 14 All right then, the Lord himself will choose the sign.
Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son
and will call him Immanuel—‘God is with us.'
*Immanuel means God is with us.'
John 1:1-18 (NRSV)
John
The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the
Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came
into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being.
What has come into being 4 in him was life, and the life was the light
of all people. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness
did not overcome it.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a
witness to testify to the light, so that all might believe through
him. 8 He himself was not the light, but he came to testify to the
light. 9 The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into
the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world came into being through him; yet
the world did not know him. 11 He came to what was his own, and his
own people did not accept him. 12 But to all who received him, who
believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God, 13 who
were born, not of blood or of the will of the flesh or of the will of
man, but of God.
14 And the Word became flesh and lived among us, and we have seen his
glory, the glory as of a father's only son, full of grace and truth.
15 (John testified to him and cried out, "This was he of whom I said,
‘He who comes after me ranks ahead of me because he was before me.' ")
16 From his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. 17 The
law indeed was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus
Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God. It is God the only Son, who is
close to the Father's heart,fwho has made him known.
Deuteronomy 18:15-18 (NKJV)
15 "The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from
your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear, 16 according to
all you desired of the Lord your God in Horeb in the day of the
assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God,
nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.'
17 "And the Lord said to me: ‘What they have spoken is good. 18 I will
raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and
will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I
command Him.
*Should be for a clearer understanding "and will put My Word in His
mouth" i.e the Word is one with that man, who we know as Jesus. God
speaks to us through a man so that God's people are more comfortable
and at ease.
John 5:45-47 (NRSV)
45 Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father; your accuser
is Moses, on whom you have set your hope. 46 If you believed Moses,
you would believe me, for he wrote about me. 47 But if you do not
believe what he wrote, how will you believe what I say?"
End times:
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God is like a river flowing through creation's timeline. Many
offshoots have come off that river throughout time which lead away
from God because those angels/people made gods out of themselves or
the things given by God instead of God. The further the break the more
putrid that water e.g satanic associations in the occult!
As much as it may offend others to tell them that Christ becoming man
is the continuation of that river and was shown to Moses it still
needs to be made clear. It is the law worshippers that are the
offshoot of the river of God not the Christians who follow God because
scripture of the old testiment make it abundantly clear God would
become man.
Moses worshipped the "I AM" which makes him a Christian also, a
believer in the Annointed One before Jesus became a man.
End times:
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User: "Joseph Loegering"

Title: Re: The flow of God! 10 Feb 2004 08:16:02 AM
"martus" <marttila69@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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John 8:57-59 (NKJV)
Moses worshipped the "I AM" which makes him a Christian also, a
believer in the Annointed One before Jesus became a man.

There is no verb in Hebrew for "AM" "WAS" "IS "ARE" OR "TO BE". Jehovah
told Moses, "I birth what I birth" because that is what he does. "Martus"
from Greek means "Witness," "Sin" from Greek is "Amartus," meaning
"non-witness," or "Without Witness". If you would have witnessed the Father
and the Son, you would not have written what you wrote. Who is Adown Jesus
anointed with? Spirit Jehovah our Creator. We are anointed with both Spirit
Jehovah our Creator, and with Spirit Adown Jesus as our Salvation.
I will share a few things that are normally suppressed by most, while they
promote propaganda. I cannot change the past, most of your religious
Father's were deceived, and misled most of you, all I can do is teach the
truth revealed from above. Writing a vision and doctrine by the Spirit is
easy. But trying to translate an accurate translation from Hebrew Aramaic
Arabic and Greek to give you an accurate documentation of what is happening,
is almost impossible if you go by the different printed Hebrew Aramaic
Arabic and Greek and Latin Grammars or Commentaries which mostly contradict
each other or miss things. Like here is one that they all miss, the class
article.
"Like as one the sheep ate all the grass short." (one the sheep =Class
Plural)
" Like as one sheep ate all the grass short." (one sheep=Singular)
" Like as the one sheep ate all the grass short." (the one sheep=Singular)
If you leave the class article out, or put it where it does not belong, it
says a totally different thing. This is the way the class article works in
Greek too. The singular Hebrew word "El "= the singular Greek word "Theos" =
the singular English word "God". The name "Elohim" is plural and is equal to
the class "O Theos" which is equal to "Godship", not "God" singular. The
name Elohim includes Almighty God and the Angels and Devils and Man, so
sometimes it is used of Elohim doing good, and other times it is used of
Elohim doing evil.. The Hebrew word "Eth" which shows where the action of
the verb takes place, must be translated "associate" or you can not tell
where the action of the verb took place, and without it you will
misunderstand the word of God. Some with the doctrine of Balaam say that
there is no English equivalent to the Hebrew word "Eth," just to
deliberately deceive you, so that they may claim the inheritance all for
themselves, it means "associate". Some with the doctrine of Balaam say that
there is no English equivalent for the plural word "Elohim", just to
deliberately deceive you, it means "Godship," the Godship is viewed as
Angels and Man revealing the invisible God.
Genesis is so mistranslated people do not realize Elohim is not our Creator,
Genesis does not use the word Create in the seven days, it uses a word for
"whittled" or "finished". The same word is used in Ezekiel 23:47
translated "dispatch", but should be "whittle." Ezekiel 23:47 "And the
company shall stone them with stones, and dispatch (whittle) them with their
swords; they shall slay their sons and their daughters, and burn up their
houses with fire." To "create something from nothing" is an entirely
different word. Here is the First Day where our Creator Jehovah is the
Invisibleness and is the Spirit and is the related Good. The first three
words in All your English Bibles are Mistranslated Deliberately to deceive
you. The fourth Hebrew word "Eth" is not translated at all, and some say
that there is no English equivalent to deceive you. "Eth" shows where the
doer does the action of the verb, the English word "associate" works well
for it. Here in Genesis the doer "Godship" of verse 1, does the whittling
associate the Heavens and associate the Earth. Jehovah says, "I and I alone
stilled the waters, no Godship with me. I commanded the waters, proceed no
further!"
"Worship not the Goddess she is the creation," says Jehovah.
Genesis 1 Exact Hebrew order
Within Chief Woman's Fruit whittled Godship associate the Heavens and
associate the Earth, and than but Earth clash invisibleness and untenanted
and Darkness upon surface thereof wakes, and Spirit God brooded upon surface
thereof waters, and said Godship, "Birth Light!" And birth Light, and saw
Godship associate that Light related good, and divided Godship between among
thereof Lightness, and between among thereof Darkened, and called Godship
that Light, Day, and that Darkness called Night, and birth Evening, and
birth Morning, Day First.
"By the same word of prophecy this Earth will be destroyed not by water but
by fire," says Jehovah. "All manlike died and were resurrected as a shadow
of prophecy of the resurrections of the Just and of the Unjust," says
Jehovah.
Behold the same words "Within Chief Woman's Fruit" within John 1:1-18.
Notice here in John the Greek word "hen," is "associated," it is not the
word "was." "Manlike" means "Angels and or Man", "Mankind" means "Man"
without Angels.
"Within Chief Woman's Fruit associated that word and that word associated
with Godship, and God associated that word harmoniously associated within
Chief Woman's Fruit with Godship, all for of him birth and without of him
birth nothing which that began. Within him life associated and than life
associated that Light of these manlike, and that Light within the Darkness
shines, and than Darkness hers not re-emitting. Birth manlike apostolated
aside God, name hers John harmoniously coming unto witness, who witnesses
about thereof Lightness, who all believe for of him. Could not be associated
identically that Light, but who witness about thereof Lightness associated
that Light that Truth whom Lightens all manlike coming unto the Cosmos,
within thereto Cosmos associated and that Cosmos for of him birth, and that
Cosmos him could not acquaint. Unto these his own came and these his own him
not with emitting, whosoever also emitting him grant them authority children
of God birthing those believing unto that name of him, these could not
therefrom blood, nor therefrom desiring flesh, nor therefrom desiring man,
but therefrom God rebirthing. And that word flesh birth and dwelt within us,
and endowed the glory of him glory alike uniquely begotten aside Father
filling Grace and Truth. John witnessing about of him and raved, 'Of lecture
harmoniously associated whom told, who after mine coming present mine
birthed. Related foremost mine associated, related therefrom thereof
fulfilling of him we all within emitted, and Grace against Grace related
that Law through Moses gave, than Grace and than Truth through Jesus
anointed birth. God nobody sees anytime, uniquely begotten God whom who unto
the bosom thereof Father identically declares and hers exists.'"
Why did they want to kill Jesus? Psalm 82 was quoted and believed by both
Jesus and John. The Church new their names were Gods too, and the Romans
hated them and threw them into the Lions den. The class "O Theos" in Greek
equals the plural Hebrew word "Elohim", and there are good and evil Elohim.
Translate the class "Godship" and "Theos" without an article as "God" equal
to the singular Hebrew word "El." The Father's names are named upon the
family in heaven and upon earth. It is not the Idols fault if someone exalts
it above the Most High God, it is the Idolaters fault.
John 10:30-34 (Jesus said) "I and that Father one became." Bear then again
stones those Judah's that stone him. Answered them that Jesus, "Many good
works shown you therefrom thereof Father mine, for which of his works stones
me?" Answered hers those Judah's, "Lecturing about of good works not stones
you, but about blasphemy and related you are manlike who makes yourself
God." Answered them that Jesus, "Not exists written within therein law, 'I
said of you, Gods associations'? If himself said Gods, with whom that word
of Godship birth, not enabling breaking than Scripture. Whom that Father
sanctify and apostolated unto the Cosmos you lecture, 'related blasphemy,
related said, son of Godship am? '"
According as it is written in Psalm 82,
"Psalm to Gatherer, Godship stands within the congregation God within among
Godship judging, how long judges unrighteously and face accepts of wicked
exaltation? Judge poor and Fatherless afflicted and needy vindicate, deliver
poor and weak therefrom hand of wicked rescued. Not acquainted and not
understanding within darkness walking alike their founders all shaking
earth, I said of you, Gods associations and sons of Highest, all alike you
alike man dying and alike first of the princes fallen. Arise Godship judge
the earth related associated your inheritance within all the Nations.
(Greek LXX says, "Psalm to Gatherer, Godship stands within the congregation
Gods within among Gods judging,")
The Most High is the Exalted Most by the wicked, and he is about to bring
their delusions back upon their own heads. The unbelievers all alike us who
know our names are Gods and Lords, as alike man dying and alike first prince
fallen.
Jesus considered Psalm 82 "written within therein law." Cannot you discern
Good and Evil Godship? We are all sons of Godship equal to the Father, there
is just one Most High God, and there is just one uniquely begotten Son, and
the Father made us members of his Son's anointed body, and the anointed is
within each of us. We are double anointed with Spirit Jehovah and Spirit
Adown Jesus.
1 John 4:1-4a "Beloved should not all Spirits believe but try these Spirits
if therefrom of Godship exists. Related many false-prophets therefrom
arrived unto the Cosmos, within therein acquaint that Spirit of Godship.
Each Spirit that concur that Jesus anointed within flesh arrived, therefrom
of Godship exists, and each Spirit that cannot concur that Jesus, therefrom
of Godship cannot exist, and thereto exists that thereof anti-anointed that
heard related comes, and now within therein Cosmos exists already. We
therefrom of Godship associations children and overcame them. "
Romans 1:21-22
"Having acquainted Godship not alike God glorify than being thankful, but
vainly within those delusions of his and foolishness than darkens of his
heart, professing being wise foolishly."
Romans 1:25 "whosoever exchanged the truth of Godship within thereto lying
and worshiped and served the creature aside the Creator whom exists
blessed unto of those ages truly."
Psalm 110:1 "Said Jehovah to Adown mine.." Our Creator is Jehovah, his Son
our Adown, and all who fight against Jehovah are the waters of Meribah.
Drinking from our Holy Creator, Lucifer whose name means "Light Barer, "
that first Prince fell for not emitting the Light his Maker from within. So
his Maker conceived a Son to replace him as Light Barer, and placed him over
the Angles within Heaven. And in fullness of time the Father begot his Son
of the house of David and placed the Son of David as head of the Body upon
Earth, and all that receive his Son as that new Light Barer are full of
Light and are adopted to the Son as men of Judah the branches of the vine,
and they are planted within the men of Israel, the vineyard of Jehovah of
Hosts, the heir by birthright Joseph is the heir the House of Israel, the
righteous branch of David, my branches climb the wall.
Joseph
.
User: "martus"

Title: Re: The flow of God! 11 Feb 2004 10:14:53 AM
John 14:26-28 (NRSV)
26 But the Advocate[1], the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in
my name, will teach you everything, and remind you of all that I have
said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. I do
not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be
troubled, and do not let them be afraid. 28 You heard me say to you,
‘I am going away, and I am coming to you.' If you loved me, you would
rejoice that I am going to the Father, because the Father is greater
than I.
i Or Helper
[1] The Holy Bible : New Revised Standard Version. 1996, c1989.
Nashville: Thomas Nelson.
I can see from the article you wrote that you have a knowledge of the
different languages and the meaning of particular words. As the source
of my knowledge comes from the different english bibles written and
rewritten by thousand of scholars my understanding of particular words
may be incomplete but even with best abilities in translating or
understanding languages, without the Holy Spirit giving insight you
simply will not comprehend what is laid out before you. A bit of can't
see the tree because of the forest of words.
Moses obeyed the Word and the Word became man who we english speaking
people call Jesus the name meaning God saves. Moses was therefore a
Christian because he believed in the Annointed Word of God. The great
"I Am" describes another quality of God in that God is eternal,
everything else was birthed through God.
The Godhead is pure and Holy and does not contain the Devil or any
sinful thing. Mankind is only a part of the Godhead of the Father,
Son(Word in flesh) and Holy Spirit through the Word who is Jesus who
paid the price for the sins of God's people through His sacrifice on
the cross.
The holy angels comprise the body of the Holy Spirit just as mankind
also obedient to Jesus(Word) comprise the body of the Word. God's
people when resurrected from the dead will be united to their angel
which will make them in the very real sense of the word like God.
The story of Job shows that God doesn't do evil but allows it to
happen by those that rebel against God. Even when God allows evil the
amount of evil is still limited to the boundries God has sets. God
allows evil to happen if people become too stubborn and entrenched in
their own destructive behaviours that that is the only way He can save
them from hell. In the end those rebellious beings, angels or mankind
who continue on the path of destruction, will be thrown into the lake
of fire removing the rebellious for good.
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John 8:57-59 (NKJV)


Moses worshipped the "I AM" which makes him a Christian also, a
believer in the Annointed One before Jesus became a man.


There is no verb in Hebrew for "AM" "WAS" "IS "ARE" OR "TO BE". Jehovah
told Moses, "I birth what I birth" because that is what he does. "Martus"
from Greek means "Witness," "Sin" from Greek is "Amartus," meaning
"non-witness," or "Without Witness". If you would have witnessed the Father
and the Son, you would not have written what you wrote. Who is Adown Jesus
anointed with? Spirit Jehovah our Creator. We are anointed with both Spirit
Jehovah our Creator, and with Spirit Adown Jesus as our Salvation.


I will share a few things that are normally suppressed by most, while they
promote propaganda. I cannot change the past, most of your religious
Father's were deceived, and misled most of you, all I can do is teach the
truth revealed from above. Writing a vision and doctrine by the Spirit is
easy. But trying to translate an accurate translation from Hebrew Aramaic
Arabic and Greek to give you an accurate documentation of what is happening,
is almost impossible if you go by the different printed Hebrew Aramaic
Arabic and Greek and Latin Grammars or Commentaries which mostly contradict
each other or miss things. Like here is one that they all miss, the class
article.

"Like as one the sheep ate all the grass short." (one the sheep =Class
Plural)
" Like as one sheep ate all the grass short." (one sheep=Singular)
" Like as the one sheep ate all the grass short." (the one sheep=Singular)

If you leave the class article out, or put it where it does not belong, it
says a totally different thing. This is the way the class article works in
Greek too. The singular Hebrew word "El "= the singular Greek word "Theos" =
the singular English word "God". The name "Elohim" is plural and is equal to
the class "O Theos" which is equal to "Godship", not "God" singular. The
name Elohim includes Almighty God and the Angels and Devils and Man, so
sometimes it is used of Elohim doing good, and other times it is used of
Elohim doing evil.. The Hebrew word "Eth" which shows where the action of
the verb takes place, must be translated "associate" or you can not tell
where the action of the verb took place, and without it you will
misunderstand the word of God. Some with the doctrine of Balaam say that
there is no English equivalent to the Hebrew word "Eth," just to
deliberately deceive you, so that they may claim the inheritance all for
themselves, it means "associate". Some with the doctrine of Balaam say that
there is no English equivalent for the plural word "Elohim", just to
deliberately deceive you, it means "Godship," the Godship is viewed as
Angels and Man revealing the invisible God.


Genesis is so mistranslated people do not realize Elohim is not our Creator,
Genesis does not use the word Create in the seven days, it uses a word for
"whittled" or "finished". The same word is used in Ezekiel 23:47
translated "dispatch", but should be "whittle." Ezekiel 23:47 "And the
company shall stone them with stones, and dispatch (whittle) them with their
swords; they shall slay their sons and their daughters, and burn up their
houses with fire." To "create something from nothing" is an entirely
different word. Here is the First Day where our Creator Jehovah is the
Invisibleness and is the Spirit and is the related Good. The first three
words in All your English Bibles are Mistranslated Deliberately to deceive
you. The fourth Hebrew word "Eth" is not translated at all, and some say
that there is no English equivalent to deceive you. "Eth" shows where the
doer does the action of the verb, the English word "associate" works well
for it. Here in Genesis the doer "Godship" of verse 1, does the whittling
associate the Heavens and associate the Earth. Jehovah says, "I and I alone
stilled the waters, no Godship with me. I commanded the waters, proceed no
further!"

"Worship not the Goddess she is the creation," says Jehovah.

Genesis 1 Exact Hebrew order
Within Chief Woman's Fruit whittled Godship associate the Heavens and
associate the Earth, and than but Earth clash invisibleness and untenanted
and Darkness upon surface thereof wakes, and Spirit God brooded upon surface
thereof waters, and said Godship, "Birth Light!" And birth Light, and saw
Godship associate that Light related good, and divided Godship between among
thereof Lightness, and between among thereof Darkened, and called Godship
that Light, Day, and that Darkness called Night, and birth Evening, and
birth Morning, Day First.



"By the same word of prophecy this Earth will be destroyed not by water but
by fire," says Jehovah. "All manlike died and were resurrected as a shadow
of prophecy of the resurrections of the Just and of the Unjust," says
Jehovah.

Behold the same words "Within Chief Woman's Fruit" within John 1:1-18.
Notice here in John the Greek word "hen," is "associated," it is not the
word "was." "Manlike" means "Angels and or Man", "Mankind" means "Man"
without Angels.

"Within Chief Woman's Fruit associated that word and that word associated
with Godship, and God associated that word harmoniously associated within
Chief Woman's Fruit with Godship, all for of him birth and without of him
birth nothing which that began. Within him life associated and than life
associated that Light of these manlike, and that Light within the Darkness
shines, and than Darkness hers not re-emitting. Birth manlike apostolated
aside God, name hers John harmoniously coming unto witness, who witnesses
about thereof Lightness, who all believe for of him. Could not be associated
identically that Light, but who witness about thereof Lightness associated
that Light that Truth whom Lightens all manlike coming unto the Cosmos,
within thereto Cosmos associated and that Cosmos for of him birth, and that
Cosmos him could not acquaint. Unto these his own came and these his own him
not with emitting, whosoever also emitting him grant them authority children
of God birthing those believing unto that name of him, these could not
therefrom blood, nor therefrom desiring flesh, nor therefrom desiring man,
but therefrom God rebirthing. And that word flesh birth and dwelt within us,
and endowed the glory of him glory alike uniquely begotten aside Father
filling Grace and Truth. John witnessing about of him and raved, 'Of lecture
harmoniously associated whom told, who after mine coming present mine
birthed. Related foremost mine associated, related therefrom thereof
fulfilling of him we all within emitted, and Grace against Grace related
that Law through Moses gave, than Grace and than Truth through Jesus
anointed birth. God nobody sees anytime, uniquely begotten God whom who unto
the bosom thereof Father identically declares and hers exists.'"

Why did they want to kill Jesus? Psalm 82 was quoted and believed by both
Jesus and John. The Church new their names were Gods too, and the Romans
hated them and threw them into the Lions den. The class "O Theos" in Greek
equals the plural Hebrew word "Elohim", and there are good and evil Elohim.
Translate the class "Godship" and "Theos" without an article as "God" equal
to the singular Hebrew word "El." The Father's names are named upon the
family in heaven and upon earth. It is not the Idols fault if someone exalts
it above the Most High God, it is the Idolaters fault.

John 10:30-34 (Jesus said) "I and that Father one became." Bear then again
stones those Judah's that stone him. Answered them that Jesus, "Many good
works shown you therefrom thereof Father mine, for which of his works stones
me?" Answered hers those Judah's, "Lecturing about of good works not stones
you, but about blasphemy and related you are manlike who makes yourself
God." Answered them that Jesus, "Not exists written within therein law, 'I
said of you, Gods associations'? If himself said Gods, with whom that word
of Godship birth, not enabling breaking than Scripture. Whom that Father
sanctify and apostolated unto the Cosmos you lecture, 'related blasphemy,
related said, son of Godship am? '"

According as it is written in Psalm 82,
"Psalm to Gatherer, Godship stands within the congregation God within among
Godship judging, how long judges unrighteously and face accepts of wicked
exaltation? Judge poor and Fatherless afflicted and needy vindicate, deliver
poor and weak therefrom hand of wicked rescued. Not acquainted and not
understanding within darkness walking alike their founders all shaking
earth, I said of you, Gods associations and sons of Highest, all alike you
alike man dying and alike first of the princes fallen. Arise Godship judge
the earth related associated your inheritance within all the Nations.

(Greek LXX says, "Psalm to Gatherer, Godship stands within the congregation
Gods within among Gods judging,")

The Most High is the Exalted Most by the wicked, and he is about to bring
their delusions back upon their own heads. The unbelievers all alike us who
know our names are Gods and Lords, as alike man dying and alike first prince
fallen.

Jesus considered Psalm 82 "written within therein law." Cannot you discern
Good and Evil Godship? We are all sons of Godship equal to the Father, there
is just one Most High God, and there is just one uniquely begotten Son, and
the Father made us members of his Son's anointed body, and the anointed is
within each of us. We are double anointed with Spirit Jehovah and Spirit
Adown Jesus.

1 John 4:1-4a "Beloved should not all Spirits believe but try these Spirits
if therefrom of Godship exists. Related many false-prophets therefrom
arrived unto the Cosmos, within therein acquaint that Spirit of Godship.
Each Spirit that concur that Jesus anointed within flesh arrived, therefrom
of Godship exists, and each Spirit that cannot concur that Jesus, therefrom
of Godship cannot exist, and thereto exists that thereof anti-anointed that
heard related comes, and now within therein Cosmos exists already. We
therefrom of Godship associations children and overcame them. "


Romans 1:21-22
"Having acquainted Godship not alike God glorify than being thankful, but
vainly within those delusions of his and foolishness than darkens of his
heart, professing being wise foolishly."

Romans 1:25 "whosoever exchanged the truth of Godship within thereto lying
and worshiped and served the creature aside the Creator whom exists
blessed unto of those ages truly."

Psalm 110:1 "Said Jehovah to Adown mine.." Our Creator is Jehovah, his Son
our Adown, and all who fight against Jehovah are the waters of Meribah.


Drinking from our Holy Creator, Lucifer whose name means "Light Barer, "
that first Prince fell for not emitting the Light his Maker from within. So
his Maker conceived a Son to replace him as Light Barer, and placed him over
the Angles within Heaven. And in fullness of time the Father begot his Son
of the house of David and placed the Son of David as head of the Body upon
Earth, and all that receive his Son as that new Light Barer are full of
Light and are adopted to the Son as men of Judah the branches of the vine,
and they are planted within the men of Israel, the vineyard of Jehovah of
Hosts, the heir by birthright Joseph is the heir the House of Israel, the
righteous branch of David, my branches climb the wall.

Joseph

.
User: "Joseph Loegering"

Title: Re: The flow of God! 11 Feb 2004 12:27:07 PM
I have followed English Bible translations back as far as I can to find the
source of a mistranslation problem, and found it. But revealing it to a
people who have gotten use to being deceived by the error is not easy.
Over time the meaning of words change, and languages change. Hebrew and
Aramaic and Arabic are of the same branch of Languages, English is a totally
different branch. The Arabs say that the Hebrew People have deceived us to
worship Elohim instead of Allah. I learned that whenever there are conflicts
between two groups of people both sides speak some truth, and both sides
speak some propaganda against the other. So it becomes a matter of not
taking sides, but getting to the truth and casting off the propaganda, and
then reconciling the two sides upon the truth. And if this cannot be done,
one just has to step back and let them kill each other. I will start with
how English Translations changed over time.
A brief history of the English language from 2nd century BC can be seen at,
http://www.wordorigins.org/histeng.htm#indo
This is how English changed.
Five translations of the Gospel according to St Matthew, Chapter 8, Verses 1
& 2.
Anglo Saxon 995
Sothlice tha seHaelend of tham munte nyther astah, tha fyligdon hym mycle
maenio.
Tha genealaehte an hreofla to him and hine to him geathmedde, and thus
cwaeth, Drihten, gyf thu wylt, thu miht me geclaensian.
Wyclif 1389
Forsothe when Jhesus hadde comen doun fro the hil, many cumpanyes folewiden
hym.
And loo! a leprouse man cummynge worshipide hym, sayinge, Lord, yif thou
wolt, thou maist make me clene.
Tyndale 1526
When Jesus was come down from the mountayne, moch people folowed him.
And lo! there cam a lepre and worsheped him, saynge, Master, if thou wylt,
thou canst make me clene.
King James Version 1611
When he was come down from the mountain, great multitudes followed him.
And behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou
wilt, thou canst make me clean.
New English Bible 1961
After he had come down from the hill he was followed by a great crowd. And
now a leper approached him, bowed low, and said, "Sir, if only you will, you
can cleanse me."
Look not only at vocabulary and spelling but also punctuation, verb forms
and pronouns.
It would be difficult to tell which language Shem, Noah's son spoke, because
the whole earth spoke the same language until the tower of Babel. Early
Hebrew and Early Greek had exactly the same number of characters, only they
were written exactly backwards from one another, and the sentence was
written in the opposite direction. Some researches believe that more than
likely this happened because animal fat was used as a lard ink to write on
papyri, and the lard would soak though the papyri and become legible on both
sides. So some read it right to left, and others read the other side left to
right, and from there on other languages developed. Hebrew and Aramaic and
Arabic are all the same branch of Languages. Abram spoke Hebrew, and his son
Ishmael of his bondmaid began speaking what became Arabic after he left
Abraham. Aramaic seems to be a mix of the two languages. Hebrew became an
unspoken Language around 250 AD, and was revised as a spoken Language by a
group led by Eliezar Ben Yehuda (1858-1922). Unfortunately in the revision
of the Language, they were accused of changing both some of the Phonetic
values of the Characters, and changing some of the original meanings of the
words, which in many cases is true. This led to World War 1 and World War
2, during which times many of the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek speaking peoples
were hotly persecuted, jailed and killed, so it was not just a Jewish
holocaust. Like now, the persecution then started against Christians, and
then spread to include the Jews. Why was there such a hot persecution of the
peoples who spoke these Languages? Because when read correctly they reveal
our Creator and our Creator's Prophecy, and reveals who his Messiah is. Like
the Arabs says, the words "El" "Elah" and "Elohim" do not all mean "God"
singular. This is well evident from the Greek LXX and Hebrew text. So why
would someone want to fight against that? Who are the persecutors? We will
get these questions answered by studying the languages.
The Hebrew words "Jehovah" that we pronounce "Yahweh," and the word "Adown"
do not mean the same thing and should not both be translated "Lord" from
Hebrew but Wyclif did that in 1389. And the Greeks translated them both as
"Kurios" but the Greeks used different meanings of the word depending on the
context. But the Latin Vulgate did not and changed all the plural classes to
singulars in its translation from Hebrew and Greek. In English development
the letter "J" was pronounced "Y," and the letter "V" was pronounced "W,"
and the letter "W" was pronounced "V", like they are still prononced thus in
some dialects of German. And "E" was not pronounced "A", and "A" was not
pronounced "E" until modern Hebrew speaking people, not by earlier Hebrew
speaking people. "A" is still pronounced "A" in Aramaic and Arabic. The
words we translate "God" from Hebrew "El" "Elah" and "Elohim" would have
been pronounced something like "Aal" "Aalah" and "Aalohim" similar to
Aramaic and Arabic. Tyndale was right, "Adown" means "Master" The word
"Jehovah" is the name of our Creator. But to do away with Tyndale's teaching
King James had his translation translated to fight against Tyndale's
translation, and the new English versions that were made from it. But all
these translations follow the Latin Vulgate when it comes to translating
"El" "Elah" and "Elohim" as singular because of Alfred who became King of
Wessex in 871, and translated from Latin into English. Since then for 1200
years every English translation has followed him.
The Muslims are right "El" is singular equal to Arabic "Allah, but the
Muslims are wrong for not beliving on the Messiah. The basic principles of
belief that lead to the development of the Latin Vulgate Translation 4th AD
and later to the Arabic Koran 6th AD, was first devised in Alexandria Egypt
during the lifetime of Paul. Then they began throwing Christians who knew
that their names were Gods into the lions dens. From there on through the
third to sixth century AD both the Latin Vulgate and the Koran became used
to justify killing Jews and Christians that knew the truth taught in Hebrew,
Aramaic, Arabic, and Greek, but they were accused as pagans that worship
multiple Gods.
Peter quoted Joel on the day of Pentecost in Acts which Joel says that we
are to call upon the name Jehovah to be saved, it does not say to call upon
Jesus to be saved, it says call upon Jehovah, and then we make Jesus our
Mater and become sealed with the promised Spirit of Salvation. So those of
you who stumbled on the stumbling stone not knowing the difference between
our invisible Creator and his visible Son, how many people have you damned
to death by your religious lies?
Joseph


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John 8:57-59 (NKJV)


Moses worshipped the "I AM" which makes him a Christian also, a
believer in the Annointed One before Jesus became a man.


There is no verb in Hebrew for "AM" "WAS" "IS "ARE" OR "TO BE". Jehovah
told Moses, "I birth what I birth" because that is what he does.

"Martus"

from Greek means "Witness," "Sin" from Greek is "Amartus," meaning
"non-witness," or "Without Witness". If you would have witnessed the

Father

and the Son, you would not have written what you wrote. Who is Adown

Jesus

anointed with? Spirit Jehovah our Creator. We are anointed with both

Spirit

Jehovah our Creator, and with Spirit Adown Jesus as our Salvation.


I will share a few things that are normally suppressed by most, while

they

promote propaganda. I cannot change the past, most of your religious
Father's were deceived, and misled most of you, all I can do is teach

the

truth revealed from above. Writing a vision and doctrine by the Spirit

is

easy. But trying to translate an accurate translation from Hebrew

Aramaic

Arabic and Greek to give you an accurate documentation of what is

happening,

is almost impossible if you go by the different printed Hebrew Aramaic
Arabic and Greek and Latin Grammars or Commentaries which mostly

contradict

each other or miss things. Like here is one that they all miss, the

class

article.

"Like as one the sheep ate all the grass short." (one the sheep =Class
Plural)
" Like as one sheep ate all the grass short." (one sheep=Singular)
" Like as the one sheep ate all the grass short." (the one

sheep=Singular)


If you leave the class article out, or put it where it does not belong,

it

says a totally different thing. This is the way the class article works

in

Greek too. The singular Hebrew word "El "= the singular Greek word

"Theos" =

the singular English word "God". The name "Elohim" is plural and is

equal to

the class "O Theos" which is equal to "Godship", not "God" singular. The
name Elohim includes Almighty God and the Angels and Devils and Man, so
sometimes it is used of Elohim doing good, and other times it is used of
Elohim doing evil.. The Hebrew word "Eth" which shows where the action

of

the verb takes place, must be translated "associate" or you can not tell
where the action of the verb took place, and without it you will
misunderstand the word of God. Some with the doctrine of Balaam say that
there is no English equivalent to the Hebrew word "Eth," just to
deliberately deceive you, so that they may claim the inheritance all for
themselves, it means "associate". Some with the doctrine of Balaam say

that

there is no English equivalent for the plural word "Elohim", just to
deliberately deceive you, it means "Godship," the Godship is viewed as
Angels and Man revealing the invisible God.


Genesis is so mistranslated people do not realize Elohim is not our

Creator,

Genesis does not use the word Create in the seven days, it uses a word

for

"whittled" or "finished". The same word is used in Ezekiel 23:47
translated "dispatch", but should be "whittle." Ezekiel 23:47 "And the
company shall stone them with stones, and dispatch (whittle) them with

their

swords; they shall slay their sons and their daughters, and burn up

their

houses with fire." To "create something from nothing" is an entirely
different word. Here is the First Day where our Creator Jehovah is the
Invisibleness and is the Spirit and is the related Good. The first three
words in All your English Bibles are Mistranslated Deliberately to

deceive

you. The fourth Hebrew word "Eth" is not translated at all, and some say
that there is no English equivalent to deceive you. "Eth" shows where

the

doer does the action of the verb, the English word "associate" works

well

for it. Here in Genesis the doer "Godship" of verse 1, does the

whittling

associate the Heavens and associate the Earth. Jehovah says, "I and I

alone

stilled the waters, no Godship with me. I commanded the waters, proceed

no

further!"

"Worship not the Goddess she is the creation," says Jehovah.

Genesis 1 Exact Hebrew order
Within Chief Woman's Fruit whittled Godship associate the Heavens and
associate the Earth, and than but Earth clash invisibleness and

untenanted

and Darkness upon surface thereof wakes, and Spirit God brooded upon

surface

thereof waters, and said Godship, "Birth Light!" And birth Light, and

saw

Godship associate that Light related good, and divided Godship between

among

thereof Lightness, and between among thereof Darkened, and called

Godship

that Light, Day, and that Darkness called Night, and birth Evening, and
birth Morning, Day First.



"By the same word of prophecy this Earth will be destroyed not by water

but

by fire," says Jehovah. "All manlike died and were resurrected as a

shadow

of prophecy of the resurrections of the Just and of the Unjust," says
Jehovah.

Behold the same words "Within Chief Woman's Fruit" within John 1:1-18.
Notice here in John the Greek word "hen," is "associated," it is not the
word "was." "Manlike" means "Angels and or Man", "Mankind" means "Man"
without Angels.

"Within Chief Woman's Fruit associated that word and that word

associated

with Godship, and God associated that word harmoniously associated

within

Chief Woman's Fruit with Godship, all for of him birth and without of

him

birth nothing which that began. Within him life associated and than life
associated that Light of these manlike, and that Light within the

Darkness

shines, and than Darkness hers not re-emitting. Birth manlike

apostolated

aside God, name hers John harmoniously coming unto witness, who

witnesses

about thereof Lightness, who all believe for of him. Could not be

associated

identically that Light, but who witness about thereof Lightness

associated

that Light that Truth whom Lightens all manlike coming unto the Cosmos,
within thereto Cosmos associated and that Cosmos for of him birth, and

that

Cosmos him could not acquaint. Unto these his own came and these his own

him

not with emitting, whosoever also emitting him grant them authority

children

of God birthing those believing unto that name of him, these could not
therefrom blood, nor therefrom desiring flesh, nor therefrom desiring

man,

but therefrom God rebirthing. And that word flesh birth and dwelt within

us,

and endowed the glory of him glory alike uniquely begotten aside Father
filling Grace and Truth. John witnessing about of him and raved, 'Of

lecture

harmoniously associated whom told, who after mine coming present mine
birthed. Related foremost mine associated, related therefrom thereof
fulfilling of him we all within emitted, and Grace against Grace related
that Law through Moses gave, than Grace and than Truth through Jesus
anointed birth. God nobody sees anytime, uniquely begotten God whom who

unto

the bosom thereof Father identically declares and hers exists.'"

Why did they want to kill Jesus? Psalm 82 was quoted and believed by

both

Jesus and John. The Church new their names were Gods too, and the Romans
hated them and threw them into the Lions den. The class "O Theos" in

Greek

equals the plural Hebrew word "Elohim", and there are good and evil

Elohim.

Translate the class "Godship" and "Theos" without an article as "God"

equal

to the singular Hebrew word "El." The Father's names are named upon the
family in heaven and upon earth. It is not the Idols fault if someone

exalts

it above the Most High God, it is the Idolaters fault.

John 10:30-34 (Jesus said) "I and that Father one became." Bear then

again

stones those Judah's that stone him. Answered them that Jesus, "Many

good

works shown you therefrom thereof Father mine, for which of his works

stones

me?" Answered hers those Judah's, "Lecturing about of good works not

stones

you, but about blasphemy and related you are manlike who makes yourself
God." Answered them that Jesus, "Not exists written within therein law,

'I

said of you, Gods associations'? If himself said Gods, with whom that

word

of Godship birth, not enabling breaking than Scripture. Whom that Father
sanctify and apostolated unto the Cosmos you lecture, 'related

blasphemy,

related said, son of Godship am? '"

According as it is written in Psalm 82,
"Psalm to Gatherer, Godship stands within the congregation God within

among

Godship judging, how long judges unrighteously and face accepts of

wicked

exaltation? Judge poor and Fatherless afflicted and needy vindicate,

deliver

poor and weak therefrom hand of wicked rescued. Not acquainted and not
understanding within darkness walking alike their founders all shaking
earth, I said of you, Gods associations and sons of Highest, all alike

you

alike man dying and alike first of the princes fallen. Arise Godship

judge

the earth related associated your inheritance within all the Nations.

(Greek LXX says, "Psalm to Gatherer, Godship stands within the

congregation

Gods within among Gods judging,")

The Most High is the Exalted Most by the wicked, and he is about to

bring

their delusions back upon their own heads. The unbelievers all alike us

who

know our names are Gods and Lords, as alike man dying and alike first

prince

fallen.

Jesus considered Psalm 82 "written within therein law." Cannot you

discern

Good and Evil Godship? We are all sons of Godship equal to the Father,

there

is just one Most High God, and there is just one uniquely begotten Son,

and

the Father made us members of his Son's anointed body, and the anointed

is

within each of us. We are double anointed with Spirit Jehovah and Spirit
Adown Jesus.

1 John 4:1-4a "Beloved should not all Spirits believe but try these

Spirits

if therefrom of Godship exists. Related many false-prophets therefrom
arrived unto the Cosmos, within therein acquaint that Spirit of Godship.
Each Spirit that concur that Jesus anointed within flesh arrived,

therefrom

of Godship exists, and each Spirit that cannot concur that Jesus,

therefrom

of Godship cannot exist, and thereto exists that thereof anti-anointed

that

heard related comes, and now within therein Cosmos exists already. We
therefrom of Godship associations children and overcame them. "


Romans 1:21-22
"Having acquainted Godship not alike God glorify than being thankful,

but

vainly within those delusions of his and foolishness than darkens of

his

heart, professing being wise foolishly."

Romans 1:25 "whosoever exchanged the truth of Godship within thereto

lying

and worshiped and served the creature aside the Creator whom exists
blessed unto of those ages truly."

Psalm 110:1 "Said Jehovah to Adown mine.." Our Creator is Jehovah, his

Son

our Adown, and all who fight against Jehovah are the waters of Meribah.


Drinking from our Holy Creator, Lucifer whose name means "Light Barer,

"

that first Prince fell for not emitting the Light his Maker from within.

So

his Maker conceived a Son to replace him as Light Barer, and placed him

over

the Angles within Heaven. And in fullness of time the Father begot his

Son

of the house of David and placed the Son of David as head of the Body

upon

Earth, and all that receive his Son as that new Light Barer are full of
Light and are adopted to the Son as men of Judah the branches of the

vine,

and they are planted within the men of Israel, the vineyard of Jehovah

of

Hosts, the heir by birthright Joseph is the heir the House of Israel,

the

righteous branch of David, my branches climb the wall.

Joseph

.
User: "martus"

Title: Re: The flow of God! 13 Feb 2004 12:52:27 AM
"Joseph Loegering" <Josephoegering@kc.rr.com> wrote in message news:<%tuWb.1499$fW.384@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...

I have followed English Bible translations back as far as I can to find the
source of a mistranslation problem, and found it. But revealing it to a
people who have gotten use to being deceived by the error is not easy.
Over time the meaning of words change, and languages change.

Even Hebrew, and the meaning and context of a particular word in a
particular relationship and in different times. That is why many
translators are needed to shift through all the evidence of that time
period so that as an accurate translation can be given of that
language.
Hebrew and

Aramaic and Arabic are of the same branch of Languages, English is a totally
different branch. The Arabs say that the Hebrew People have deceived us to
worship Elohim instead of Allah. I learned that whenever there are conflicts
between two groups of people both sides speak some truth, and both sides
speak some propaganda against the other.

The truth a person speaks is not nessesarily true, that includes all
people except Christ.
So it becomes a matter of not

taking sides, but getting to the truth and casting off the propaganda, and
then reconciling the two sides upon the truth. And if this cannot be done,
one just has to step back and let them kill each other.

Notice that happens a lot in Israel.

I will start with
how English Translations changed over time.

A brief history of the English language from 2nd century BC can be seen at,
http://www.wordorigins.org/histeng.htm#indo

This is how English changed.

Five translations of the Gospel according to St Matthew, Chapter 8, Verses 1
& 2.
Anglo Saxon 995
Sothlice tha seHaelend of tham munte nyther astah, tha fyligdon hym mycle
maenio.
Tha genealaehte an hreofla to him and hine to him geathmedde, and thus
cwaeth, Drihten, gyf thu wylt, thu miht me geclaensian.
Wyclif 1389
Forsothe when Jhesus hadde comen doun fro the hil, many cumpanyes folewiden
hym.
And loo! a leprouse man cummynge worshipide hym, sayinge, Lord, yif thou
wolt, thou maist make me clene.
Tyndale 1526
When Jesus was come down from the mountayne, moch people folowed him.
And lo! there cam a lepre and worsheped him, saynge, Master, if thou wylt,
thou canst make me clene.
King James Version 1611
When he was come down from the mountain, great multitudes followed him.
And behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou
wilt, thou canst make me clean.
New English Bible 1961
After he had come down from the hill he was followed by a great crowd. And
now a leper approached him, bowed low, and said, "Sir, if only you will, you
can cleanse me."

Look not only at vocabulary and spelling but also punctuation, verb forms
and pronouns.

I guess thats why bible translation are revised according to new
information found(dead sea scrolls) or language changes in the
audience, even going so far as making complete new translations from
the original languages with all the best information found by
thousands of theologins, archeologist etc.


It would be difficult to tell which language Shem, Noah's son spoke, because
the whole earth spoke the same language until the tower of Babel. Early
Hebrew and Early Greek had exactly the same number of characters, only they
were written exactly backwards from one another, and the sentence was
written in the opposite direction. Some researches believe that more than
likely this happened because animal fat was used as a lard ink to write on
papyri, and the lard would soak though the papyri and become legible on both
sides. So some read it right to left, and others read the other side left to
right, and from there on other languages developed.

Read that they both wrote from right to left on stone but the Greek
changed when they started using ink to stop the smudging.
Hebrew and Aramaic and

Arabic are all the same branch of Languages. Abram spoke Hebrew, and his son
Ishmael of his bondmaid began speaking what became Arabic after he left
Abraham. Aramaic seems to be a mix of the two languages. Hebrew became an
unspoken Language around 250 AD, and was revised as a spoken Language by a
group led by Eliezar Ben Yehuda (1858-1922). Unfortunately in the revision
of the Language, they were accused of changing both some of the Phonetic
values of the Characters, and changing some of the original meanings of the
words, which in many cases is true. This led to World War 1 and World War
2, during which times many of the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek speaking peoples
were hotly persecuted, jailed and killed, so it was not just a Jewish
holocaust. Like now, the persecution then started against Christians, and
then spread to include the Jews. Why was there such a hot persecution of the
peoples who spoke these Languages? Because when read correctly they reveal
our Creator and our Creator's Prophecy, and reveals who his Messiah is. Like
the Arabs says, the words "El" "Elah" and "Elohim" do not all mean "God"
singular. This is well evident from the Greek LXX and Hebrew text. So why
would someone want to fight against that? Who are the persecutors? We will
get these questions answered by studying the languages.

The Hebrew words "Jehovah" that we pronounce "Yahweh," and the word "Adown"
do not mean the same thing and should not both be translated "Lord" from
Hebrew but Wyclif did that in 1389. And the Greeks translated them both as
"Kurios" but the Greeks used different meanings of the word depending on the
context. But the Latin Vulgate did not and changed all the plural classes to
singulars in its translation from Hebrew and Greek. In English development
the letter "J" was pronounced "Y," and the letter "V" was pronounced "W,"
and the letter "W" was pronounced "V", like they are still prononced thus in
some dialects of German. And "E" was not pronounced "A", and "A" was not
pronounced "E" until modern Hebrew speaking people, not by earlier Hebrew
speaking people. "A" is still pronounced "A" in Aramaic and Arabic. The
words we translate "God" from Hebrew "El" "Elah" and "Elohim" would have
been pronounced something like "Aal" "Aalah" and "Aalohim" similar to
Aramaic and Arabic. Tyndale was right, "Adown" means "Master" The word
"Jehovah" is the name of our Creator. But to do away with Tyndale's teaching
King James had his translation translated to fight against Tyndale's
translation, and the new English versions that were made from it. But all
these translations follow the Latin Vulgate when it comes to translating
"El" "Elah" and "Elohim" as singular because of Alfred who became King of
Wessex in 871, and translated from Latin into English. Since then for 1200
years every English translation has followed him.

The Muslims are right "El" is singular equal to Arabic "Allah, but the
Muslims are wrong for not beliving on the Messiah. The basic principles of
belief that lead to the development of the Latin Vulgate Translation 4th AD
and later to the Arabic Koran 6th AD, was first devised in Alexandria Egypt
during the lifetime of Paul. Then they began throwing Christians who knew
that their names were Gods into the lions dens. From there on through the
third to sixth century AD both the Latin Vulgate and the Koran became used
to justify killing Jews and Christians that knew the truth taught in Hebrew,
Aramaic, Arabic, and Greek, but they were accused as pagans that worship
multiple Gods.

Peter quoted Joel on the day of Pentecost in Acts which Joel says that we
are to call upon the name Jehovah to be saved, it does not say to call upon
Jesus to be saved, it says call upon Jehovah, and then we make Jesus our
Mater and become sealed with the promised Spirit of Salvation. So those of
you who stumbled on the stumbling stone not knowing the difference between
our invisible Creator and his visible Son, how many people have you damned
to death by your religious lies?
Joseph

God the Father spoke to Moses through His Word. God's Word express the
thougths
of the Father to Moses. Moses believed in the Word of God. God's Word
can not lie. The Word of God became solid in the man Jesus, one reason
because God's Word was too frightening for God's people.(Deuteronomy
18:16 (NKJV)assembly, saying, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the
Lord my God,nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.')
Moses is a Christian because he believed in the Word.
p.s find your posts interesting, do you have a website or recommend
one that I can read to get your perspective on your understanding of
the scriptures. I would of never have believed that you consider the
devil a part of the holy Godship of God but it's understandable. If a
person does not believe that the one God is the Father, Son(Word) and
Holy Spirit he would have to have another form of a Godship in your
case the devils and other gods.


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John 8:57-59 (NKJV)


Moses worshipped the "I AM" which makes him a Christian also, a
believer in the Annointed One before Jesus became a man.


There is no verb in Hebrew for "AM" "WAS" "IS "ARE" OR "TO BE". Jehovah
told Moses, "I birth what I birth" because that is what he does.

"Martus"

from Greek means "Witness," "Sin" from Greek is "Amartus," meaning
"non-witness," or "Without Witness". If you would have witnessed the

Father

and the Son, you would not have written what you wrote. Who is Adown

Jesus

anointed with? Spirit Jehovah our Creator. We are anointed with both

Spirit

Jehovah our Creator, and with Spirit Adown Jesus as our Salvation.


I will share a few things that are normally suppressed by most, while

they

promote propaganda. I cannot change the past, most of your religious
Father's were deceived, and misled most of you, all I can do is teach

the

truth revealed from above. Writing a vision and doctrine by the Spirit

is

easy. But trying to translate an accurate translation from Hebrew

Aramaic

Arabic and Greek to give you an accurate documentation of what is

happening,

is almost impossible if you go by the different printed Hebrew Aramaic
Arabic and Greek and Latin Grammars or Commentaries which mostly

contradict

each other or miss things. Like here is one that they all miss, the

class

article.

"Like as one the sheep ate all the grass short." (one the sheep =Class
Plural)
" Like as one sheep ate all the grass short." (one sheep=Singular)
" Like as the one sheep ate all the grass short." (the one

sheep=Singular)


If you leave the class article out, or put it where it does not belong,

it

says a totally different thing. This is the way the class article works

in

Greek too. The singular Hebrew word "El "= the singular Greek word

"Theos" =

the singular English word "God". The name "Elohim" is plural and is

equal to

the class "O Theos" which is equal to "Godship", not "God" singular. The
name Elohim includes Almighty God and the Angels and Devils and Man, so
sometimes it is used of Elohim doing good, and other times it is used of
Elohim doing evil.. The Hebrew word "Eth" which shows where the action

of

the verb takes place, must be translated "associate" or you can not tell
where the action of the verb took place, and without it you will
misunderstand the word of God. Some with the doctrine of Balaam say that
there is no English equivalent to the Hebrew word "Eth," just to
deliberately deceive you, so that they may claim the inheritance all for
themselves, it means "associate". Some with the doctrine of Balaam say

that

there is no English equivalent for the plural word "Elohim", just to
deliberately deceive you, it means "Godship," the Godship is viewed as
Angels and Man revealing the invisible God.


Genesis is so mistranslated people do not realize Elohim is not our

Creator,

Genesis does not use the word Create in the seven days, it uses a word

for

"whittled" or "finished". The same word is used in Ezekiel 23:47
translated "dispatch", but should be "whittle." Ezekiel 23:47 "And the
company shall stone them with stones, and dispatch (whittle) them with

their

swords; they shall slay their sons and their daughters, and burn up

their

houses with fire." To "create something from nothing" is an entirely
different word. Here is the First Day where our Creator Jehovah is the
Invisibleness and is the Spirit and is the related Good. The first three
words in All your English Bibles are Mistranslated Deliberately to

deceive

you. The fourth Hebrew word "Eth" is not translated at all, and some say
that there is no English equivalent to deceive you. "Eth" shows where

the

doer does the action of the verb, the English word "associate" works

well

for it. Here in Genesis the doer "Godship" of verse 1, does the

whittling

associate the Heavens and associate the Earth. Jehovah says, "I and I

alone

stilled the waters, no Godship with me. I commanded the waters, proceed

no

further!"

"Worship not the Goddess she is the creation," says Jehovah.

Genesis 1 Exact Hebrew order
Within Chief Woman's Fruit whittled Godship associate the Heavens and
associate the Earth, and than but Earth clash invisibleness and

untenanted

and Darkness upon surface thereof wakes, and Spirit God brooded upon

surface

thereof waters, and said Godship, "Birth Light!" And birth Light, and

saw

Godship associate that Light related good, and divided Godship between

among

thereof Lightness, and between among thereof Darkened, and called

Godship

that Light, Day, and that Darkness called Night, and birth Evening, and
birth Morning, Day First.



"By the same word of prophecy this Earth will be destroyed not by water

but

by fire," says Jehovah. "All manlike died and were resurrected as a

shadow

of prophecy of the resurrections of the Just and of the Unjust," says
Jehovah.

Behold the same words "Within Chief Woman's Fruit" within John 1:1-18.
Notice here in John the Greek word "hen," is "associated," it is not the
word "was." "Manlike" means "Angels and or Man", "Mankind" means "Man"
without Angels.

"Within Chief Woman's Fruit associated that word and that word

associated

with Godship, and God associated that word harmoniously associated

within

Chief Woman's Fruit with Godship, all for of him birth and without of

him

birth nothing which that began. Within him life associated and than life
associated that Light of these manlike, and that Light within the

Darkness

shines, and than Darkness hers not re-emitting. Birth manlike

apostolated

aside God, name hers John harmoniously coming unto witness, who

witnesses

about thereof Lightness, who all believe for of him. Could not be

associated

identically that Light, but who witness about thereof Lightness

associated

that Light that Truth whom Lightens all manlike coming unto the Cosmos,
within thereto Cosmos associated and that Cosmos for of him birth, and

that

Cosmos him could not acquaint. Unto these his own came and these his own

him

not with emitting, whosoever also emitting him grant them authority

children

of God birthing those believing unto that name of him, these could not
therefrom blood, nor therefrom desiring flesh, nor therefrom desiring

man,

but therefrom God rebirthing. And that word flesh birth and dwelt within

us,

and endowed the glory of him glory alike uniquely begotten aside Father
filling Grace and Truth. John witnessing about of him and raved, 'Of

lecture

harmoniously associated whom told, who after mine coming present mine
birthed. Related foremost mine associated, related therefrom thereof
fulfilling of him we all within emitted, and Grace against Grace related
that Law through Moses gave, than Grace and than Truth through Jesus
anointed birth. God nobody sees anytime, uniquely begotten God whom who

unto

the bosom thereof Father identically declares and hers exists.'"

Why did they want to kill Jesus? Psalm 82 was quoted and believed by

both

Jesus and John. The Church new their names were Gods too, and the Romans
hated them and threw them into the Lions den. The class "O Theos" in

Greek

equals the plural Hebrew word "Elohim", and there are good and evil

Elohim.

Translate the class "Godship" and "Theos" without an article as "God"

equal

to the singular Hebrew word "El." The Father's names are named upon the
family in heaven and upon earth. It is not the Idols fault if someone

exalts

it above the Most High God, it is the Idolaters fault.

John 10:30-34 (Jesus said) "I and that Father one became." Bear then

again

stones those Judah's that stone him. Answered them that Jesus, "Many

good

works shown you therefrom thereof Father mine, for which of his works

stones

me?" Answered hers those Judah's, "Lecturing about of good works not

stones

you, but about blasphemy and related you are manlike who makes yourself
God." Answered them that Jesus, "Not exists written within therein law,

'I

said of you, Gods associations'? If himself said Gods, with whom that

word

of Godship birth, not enabling breaking than Scripture. Whom that Father
sanctify and apostolated unto the Cosmos you lecture, 'related

blasphemy,

related said, son of Godship am? '"

According as it is written in Psalm 82,
"Psalm to Gatherer, Godship stands within the congregation God within

among

Godship judging, how long judges unrighteously and face accepts of

wicked

exaltation? Judge poor and Fatherless afflicted and needy vindicate,

deliver

poor and weak therefrom hand of wicked rescued. Not acquainted and not
understanding within darkness walking alike their founders all shaking
earth, I said of you, Gods associations and sons of Highest, all alike

you

alike man dying and alike first of the princes fallen. Arise Godship

judge

the earth related associated your inheritance within all the Nations.

(Greek LXX says, "Psalm to Gatherer, Godship stands within the

congregation

Gods within among Gods judging,")

The Most High is the Exalted Most by the wicked, and he is about to

bring

their delusions back upon their own heads. The unbelievers all alike us

who

know our names are Gods and Lords, as alike man dying and alike first

prince

fallen.

Jesus considered Psalm 82 "written within therein law." Cannot you

discern

Good and Evil Godship? We are all sons of Godship equal to the Father,

there

is just one Most High God, and there is just one uniquely begotten Son,

and

the Father made us members of his Son's anointed body, and the anointed

is

within each of us. We are double anointed with Spirit Jehovah and Spirit
Adown Jesus.

1 John 4:1-4a "Beloved should not all Spirits believe but try these

Spirits

if therefrom of Godship exists. Related many false-prophets therefrom
arrived unto the Cosmos, within therein acquaint that Spirit of Godship.
Each Spirit that concur that Jesus anointed within flesh arrived,

therefrom

of Godship exists, and each Spirit that cannot concur that Jesus,

therefrom

of Godship cannot exist, and thereto exists that thereof anti-anointed

that

heard related comes, and now within therein Cosmos exists already. We
therefrom of Godship associations children and overcame them. "


Romans 1:21-22
"Having acquainted Godship not alike God glorify than being thankful,

but

vainly within those delusions of his and foolishness than darkens of

his

heart, professing being wise foolishly."

Romans 1:25 "whosoever exchanged the truth of Godship within thereto

lying

and worshiped and served the creature aside the Creator whom exists
blessed unto of those ages truly."

Psalm 110:1 "Said Jehovah to Adown mine.." Our Creator is Jehovah, his

Son

our Adown, and all who fight against Jehovah are the waters of Meribah.


Drinking from our Holy Creator, Lucifer whose name means "Light Barer,

"

that first Prince fell for not emitting the Light his Maker from within.

So

his Maker conceived a Son to replace him as Light Barer, and placed him

over

the Angles within Heaven. And in fullness of time the Father begot his

Son

of the house of David and placed the Son of David as head of the Body

upon

Earth, and all that receive his Son as that new Light Barer are full of
Light and are adopted to the Son as men of Judah the branches of the

vine,

and they are planted within the men of Israel, the vineyard of Jehovah

of

Hosts, the heir by birthright Joseph is the heir the House of Israel,

the

righteous branch of David, my branches climb the wall.

Joseph

.
User: "Joseph Loegering"

Title: Re: The flow of God! 13 Feb 2004 07:53:20 AM
"martus" <marttila69@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:511a49a.0402122252.1899daa0@posting.google.com...

"Joseph Loegering" <Josephoegering@kc.rr.com> wrote in message

news:<%tuWb.1499$fW.384@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>...

p.s find your posts interesting, do you have a website or recommend
one that I can read to get your perspective on your understanding of
the scriptures. I would of never have believed that you consider the
devil a part of the holy Godship of God but it's understandable. If a
person does not believe that the one God is the Father, Son(Word) and
Holy Spirit he would have to have another form of a Godship in your
case the devils and other gods.

You seem to be not reading the same God, the phrase "God of this world"
referring to the devil like in 2 cor 4:4 is the class plural that would be
Godship, just because you acquaint good and evil as the Holy Godship the
rest of us don't have to.
Joseph
.

User: "Joseph Loegering"

Title: Re: The flow of God! 13 Feb 2004 09:01:09 AM
"martus" <marttila69@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:511a49a.0402122252.1899daa0@posting.google.com...
Instead of acquainting both Good and Evil we are to separate the Godships
into the Godship of Light and the Godship of Darkness, why can you not
discern the difference? Why do you not have Spirit Jehovah our Creator and
his Son Spirit Adown Jesus our salvation? The Son is not the Creator.
Joseph within Seattle King County yet without a permanent place to stay,
bought a van from the taproot theater, and within it made his bed and that
Evening prayed and gave thanks unto God and lay and fell asleep upon his
bed. And upon awaking he had no place left to rest his head, and behold
Earth was no more. And amidst the cloud with his two eyes watching, and with
a clean shaved face, the Son of David appeared with shoulder length hair,
dressed within a white robe, as he Stood Standing head and shoulders above
the bald head of Joseph. And Joseph hid his face and crossed his hidden arms
and rest his head upon his Messiah's breast, as his Messiah held him fully
clothed with garments of many parts. And holding him with his two arms
crossed about the midst of Joseph's back, with Joseph's hind part and two
legs and two feet with two shoes hanging down below the cloud. And when I
saw the vision, I could not help but to cry out, "Ok, where is God?" And
suddenly I realized it was me that was in my Lord's arms standing within the
cloud, and then I was amidst the vision within invisibleness in all
directions. So now I realize God nobody sees anytime. For at all times being
Invisible, God invisibly is within all and we all within him as his creation
which reveals his Invisible Nature. Nature itself revealing his Kingship and
Powers and Dominion, revealing his Throne and Thrones of Authority,
revealing him as the Father of his uniquely begotten Son for his foreknown
of chosen. And Joseph found himself upon his bed and lay and unto God gave
thanks and prayed. Joseph yet without a permanent place to stay, within the
van that he bought from the taproot theater, at bedtime again prayed and
gave thanks unto God and lay and fell asleep upon his bed. And upon awaking
he awoke within the East, and amidst the great field of well kept green
grass, he saw a Barn built with good material. But it leaned Southwards near
collapsing, and when he saw it he could not help but to cry out, "I am a
carpenter, I can raise it up again!" And immediately the Spirit caught him
up and carried him Northward and laid him next to the stone wall around a
yard of well kept green grass being the front yard of this farm house built
with good material amidst the yard surrounded a woods enclosed within the
stone wall. And when he saw the farm house he could not help but to cry out,
"Maybe I should redeem it as my own!" And immediately the Spirit caught him
up and carried him Westward straight through the wall of the farm house,
and when on the inside the women within stopped searching their luggage and
stood next to the luggage looking steadfastly at Joseph expecting to receive
something from him. And he found himself laying upon his bed and he lay and
unto God gave thanks and prayed. Joseph yet without a permanent place to
stay, within the van that he bought from the taproot theater, and at bedtime
again prayed and gave thanks unto God and lay and fell asleep upon his bed.
And not awaking upon his bed he awoke within a vision laying within the East
upon the sand, and amidst the great field of sand stood an Angel Stood
Standing so tall, that all he could see was his bare right leg standing
barefoot upon the sand. And Joseph raised up his head Northward and he
looked and saw where the Angle's left leg should stand, but seeing it not
but saw amidst the great field of sand Stood a thorn bush Standing so tall
that he could not see the top. And when he leaned closer to examine it,
there came from the trunk of the thorn bush a great scroll rolling out. And
as he leaned and looked within, the thorn bush and the great scroll bust
into a fiery flame, but they burned not as they entered his face warming it
and causing his face to shine. And with no place left to rest his head upon
his bed awaking that morning he lay and unto God gave thanks and prayed
within the taproot theater van that he bought, staying within no place
permanent yet. Joseph in these Three Dreams given over Three Days, are as
one vision of One Day of Six Days of man's labor before the Great Seventh
Day of Jehovah. I Joseph testify that it is I whom Spirit Jehovah and Spirit
Lord Jesus revealed these things unto me, for the Father's Eternal Purpose
and Will calling me by my name within Seattle King County Joseph.
.





User: "Joseph Loegering"

Title: Re: Mary desendant of David 13 Feb 2004 05:34:05 PM
Some Jewish sects are changing the rules about the anointed, and they say he
will have two natural parents to be of the house of David. But if a man's
mother is of Judah, he is of Judah, and if she is of the house of David, she
and her sons are from the loins of David to fulfill the prophecy. Joseph
Mary's husband has his genealogy recorded in Luke not Matthew. Mary's
husband Joseph, Joseph's father in Luke is Heli recorded in Luke 3:23. In
Matthew Jacob begot a man also named Joseph who is Mary's father. They
mistranslate the word "andra" as "husband" in Matthew, if it is left
mistranslated there are the wrong number of generations from Babylon until
thereof anointed. In Matthew 1:17 "So all the generations from Abraham to
David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into
Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon
until thereof anointed are fourteen generations."
from Abraham David is 14th, from David Solomon is 1st unto Jechonias
the14th , then Salathiel 1st unto 14th the anointed
From Babylon there must be 14 generations.
1st Salathiel, 2nd Zorobable, 3rd Abiud, 4th Eliakim, 5th Azor, 6th Sadoc,
7th Achim, 8th Eliud, 9th Eleazar, 10th Matthan,
Matthew 1:16 in Greek and correct English translation. "andra" is "gbrh" in
the Aramaic text meaning kinsman or elder.
iahwb de egennesev tov iwseph ton andra marias ez es egennethe iesous o
legomenos xristos
"Jacob also begot that Joseph the man Mary therefrom who born Jesus that
lectured anointed"
11thJacob, 12th Joseph, the 13th Mary carried the 14th the anointed.
Joseph
.


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