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"Carl" |
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29 Dec 2007 12:45:46 AM |
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The Fool |
Those who claim there is no God are fools in God's eyes. He does not speak
highly of those fools. Victor Yap's sermon centers on the 14th chapter of
the Psalms where God begins to teach about fools in this book. I hope it
bring about enlightenment for you.
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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The Fool
by Victor Yap
(PSALMS 14)
A college student was in a philosophy class, where a class discussion about
whether or not God exists was in progress. The professor had the following
logic: "Has anyone in this class heard God?" Nobody spoke.
"Has anyone in this class touched God?" Again, nobody spoke.
"Has anyone in this class seen God?" When nobody spoke for the third time,
he simply stated, "Then there is no God."
A student did not like the sound of this at all, and asked for permission to
speak. The professor granted it, and the student stood up and asked the
following questions of his classmates: "Has anyone in this class heard our
professor's brain?" Silence.
"Has anyone in this class touched our professor's brain?" Absolute silence.
"Has anyone in this class seen our professor's brain?" When nobody in the
class dared to speak, the student concluded, "Then, according to our
professor's logic, it must be true that our professor has no brain!"
What makes a man a fool, according to the psalms? Is he a fool because his
I.Q. and grades are low? Is it because his thinking and speech are slow? Is
it because he cannot relate to or work with people or that he has a poor
self-esteem or self-image?
People are Liable for Their Foolish Conclusion
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds
are vile; there is no one who does good. (Ps 14:1)
A woman's husband had been slipping in and out of a coma for several months,
yet she had stayed by his bedside every single day. One day, when he came
to, he motioned for her to come nearer.
As she sat by him, he whispered, eyes full of tears, "You know what? You
have been with me all through the bad times. When I got fired, you were
there to support me. When my business failed, you were there. When I got
shot, you were by my side. When we lost the house, you stayed right here.
When my health started failing, you were still by my side... You know what?"
"What dear?" she gently asked, smiling as her heart began to fill with
warmth.
"I think you're bad luck, get the heck away from me."
Man is a fool because he thinks he has no need for his Creator, Caregiver,
Counselor and Contributor. The fool, or simply "nabal" in Hebrew without the
article ("the"), leaves his mark 18 times in the Hebrew text of the Bible,
five times in Psalms, more than any other book, and this is the first
mention of a fool in the Psalms. As one suspects, it is also the name of
Abigail's foolish and feeble husband who attempted to confront David's army
(1 Sam 25:25). Abigail fell at David's feet and said: "May my lord pay no
attention to that wicked man Nabal. He is just like his name-his name is
Fool, and folly goes with him" (1 Sam 25:23-25). In the book of Psalms, the
major mark of a foolish man is that he denies God's existence (Ps 14:1,
53:1), reviles or provokes his name, (Ps 74:18) and mocks God - meaning
rebuke and shame Him - all day long (Ps 74:22).
The Bible is not surprised or alarmed by the surplus of atheists. It
anticipates a world of atheists, people who dispute, deny and doubt God's
existence, those who think the world happens by itself, by chance or by
evolution. The fool is one who thinks the world of his ruling, discovery and
theory and the worst about His revelation, design and truth. Why is he a
fool? Because man, who is so inadequate in knowledge, limited in
understanding and shallow in thought has the audacity and the most to say
about the things they know least about. How can mortal, finite, lowly and
insignificant created human beings understand God, who is omnipotent,
omniscient and omnipresent? But the fool, who is fragile in body and proud
at heart, rejects revelation, God's teachings and biblical wisdom.
The Bible is quick to praise man and reward man but is also quick to point
to his folly. Whenever Psalms speaks of man's vulnerability, the psalmist
calls him not the regular "man" or "ish" in Hebrew, but "Adam" (v 2), to
remind him who he is, where his place is and where he came from - the "dust"
of the ground (Gen 2:7). Yes, man is powerful and peerless but he is a mere
mortal. Adam is but a breath (Ps 39:5), a vanity or emptiness (Ps 39:11),
and alike the beasts that perish (Ps 49:12, 20). Ps 144:4 says that "Adam"
is like a breath; his days are like a fleeting shadow.
Theologically, the heart of "Adam" is evil from childhood (Gen 8:21). Job
says "Adam" (man) is born to trouble as surely as sparks fly upward (Job
5:7) and that man born of woman is of few days and full of trouble (Job
14:1). The LORD knows the thoughts of Adam and He knows that they are futile
(Ps 94:11). They are liars (Ps 116:11), senseless and without knowledge (Jer
10:14).
The word "looked down" (v 2) can also be translated as "looked forth" or
"looked out" but why is it "looked down" instead of the other more neutral
translation? It is because the word when it is associated with God, it
always come with the word "from heaven" or his "sanctuary oh high" (Ps 14:2,
Ps 53:2, Ps 102:19, Lam 3:50).
People are Liable for Their Flawed Condition
2 The LORD looks down from heaven on the sons of men to see if there are any
who understand, any who seek God. 3 All have turned aside, they have
together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one. (Ps
14:2-3)
In the book, The Day America Told the Truth, James Patterson and Peter Kim
asked 2,000 participants their response to this question: "What are you
willing to do for $10 million?" The answers:
3 % would put their children up for abortion.
4 % would have a sex-change operation.
6 % would changer their race.
7 % would kill a stranger.
10 % would withhold testimony and let a murderer go free.
16 % would leave their spouses.
16 % would give up their American citizenship.
23 % would become prostitutes for a week or more.
25 % would abandon their church.
25 % would abandon their entire family.
(James Patterson/Peter Kim The Day America Told the Truth 66 NY/Prentice
Hall Press/91)
The word "corrupt" in verse 3 occurs three times in the Old Testament, twice
in the Psalms and once in Job, and it is translated as "corrupt" in NIV and
"filthy" in KJV. The Chinese translation of "dirty" reflects man's filth.
Corrupt makes one think of corrupt politicians and their money, filthy has
to do with morality. Corrupt has to do with man's conduct, business and
dealings, but filth has to do with man's core, his nature and character. The
theological term for the descent of man is "the total depravity of man."
Sin completely touched and enveloped every aspect of his life - his
attitude, belief - knowledge, facts and analysis. Man is totally depraved,
indifferent and hostile to God. He is bad, blind, beastly and barbaric to
one another. He has descended on a slippery slope he has no way of getting
out or climbing up. The much-derided and -maligned Wikipedia says total
depravity is "The doctrine of total inability teaches that people are by
nature not inclined to love God with their whole heart, mind, or strength,
as he requires, but rather all are inclined to serve their own interests
over those of their neighbor and to reject the rule of God. Even religion
and philanthropy are destructive to the extent that these originate from a
human imagination, passions, and will. Total depravity does not mean,
however, that people are as bad as possible. Rather, it means that even the
good which a person may intend is faulty in its premise, false in its
motive, and weak in its implementation; and there is no mere refinement of
natural capacities that can correct this condition."
Dismissing and denying God's existence is no major surprise to the Creator.
A world that wants to shut God out of the picture and exclude His mention
from the modern world is not news to Him. He expected it due the fallout,
but man did not. A new universe free of moral values does not shock Him. In
the name of progress and diversity, the politically correct politicians,
media and ACLUs of the world want nothing more than to remove the Ten
Commandments, Christmas and any vestiges of Christianity or the mention of
God from the nation, the city and schools. Man has nothing more urgent to do
than to shut God out and to free himself. The world wanted God to butt out
of their lives long before they said it. They don't want morality, guilt or
absolutes; all they want is a humanistic, neutral and liberated society.
A society free of God is not a better world; it is an ugly society. The
Bible says, "The wages of sin is death." There are merely two schools of
thought about change in society. One is that society will get better, and
the other is it will get worse. No one believes society will remain
stagnant. Every politician promises a better society until they find out
they are part of the problem.
Man can get by, advances along and makes progress, but his knowledge is the
very thing that marks his descent into hell. In all the advances man has
made, he cannot advance the longevity of his life or the morality of the
soul. Man is attracted to power, pleasure, fame and comfort. Humans have
drive, motivation and impetus and even incentive to seek fortune and fame,
but never to seek God. Unlike corrupt files, sadly there is no fix,
troubleshooting, recovery, repair or reconfiguration for corrupt or filthy
man.
People are Liable for Their Future Choice
4 Will evildoers never learn--those who devour my people as men eat bread
and who do not call on the LORD? 5 There they are, overwhelmed with dread,
for God is present in the company of the righteous. 6 You evildoers
frustrate the plans of the poor, but the LORD is their refuge. 7 Oh, that
salvation for Israel would come out of Zion! When the LORD restores the
fortunes of his people, let Jacob rejoice and Israel be glad! (Ps 14:4-7)
A four year old was at the pediatrician for a check up. As the doctor looked
down her ears with an otoscope, he asked, "Do you think I'll find Big Bird
in here?" The little girl stayed silent.
Next, the doctor took a tongue depressor and looked down her throat. He
asked, "Do you think I'll find the Cookie Monster down there?" Again, the
little girl was silent.
Then the doctor put a stethoscope to her chest. As he listened to her heart
beat, he asked, "Do you think I'll hear Barney in there?" "Oh, no!" the
little girl replied. "Jesus is in my heart. Barney's on my underpants."
But all is not lost for foolish man. Man still has a chance to make a
choice, to make a U-turn, to stand with God and be on His side. Where do
troubles come from? It has always to do with the presence of evildoers (vv
4, 6), troublemakers and lawbreakers. God is not our enemy; evil is. God is
our ally, refuge and help. One might say that the persecution of the
righteous can be traced to wicked people. One need not look further than
society and politicians today. They pass laws to exclude Christianity,
calling Christian as hateful, the Bible as hate literature for its moral
views and Christians speaking out against sin as hate crimes.
The word "righteous" (v 5) is so rich in the Psalms that no exposition can
do justice to it. The righteous are consistently contrasted with the wicked
in the Psalms. The righteous are people who trust in God (Ps 32:11, 64:10,
97:12) - who is the essence of righteousness (Ps 7:9, 11:7, 116:5, 119:137,
129:4), His commands (Ps 37:31) and His ways (Ps 145:17). They want nothing
to do with evil people (Ps 1:5-6).
The righteous man have many troubles, mostly at the hands of the wicked, but
the LORD delivers him from them (Ps 34:19, 37:39 ,55:22). The Lord blesses
the righteous and surrounds them with favor as with a shield (Ps 5:12). He
makes the righteous secure (Ps 7:9). The eyes of the Lord are on them (Ps
34:15). The LORD loves the righteous (Ps 146:8). The righteous are blessed,
favored, secured, guarded and loved by God.
The righteous is everybody's favorite punching bag. They are the most hated
group in society (Ps 34:19). The wicked plot against the righteous (Ps
37:12), lie in wait for the righteous (Ps 37:32), lined up verbal attacks
against them (Ps 31:18), band together against the righteous and condemn the
innocent to death (Ps 94:21), because the righteous are not envious of the
wealth of the wicked (Ps 37:16).
A righteous man is wise in mind and speech (Ps 37:30), and the righteous
will have the last laugh (Ps 52:6). He will flourish like a palm tree (Ps
92:12) because there is a God who judges the earth (Ps 58:11).
Conclusion: The greatest jeopardy in life is to bet against God's existence.
When man rejects God, he rejects his biblical commands, moral values and he
gambles on his own future, destiny and eternity. Man is merely cocky, never
clever. A truly clever person can control his life, death and fate, so man
is merely clever is his own eyes. The Bible exalts wisdom and understanding
but not cleverness or smartness. Man is only smart and clever but he is not
truly wise or understanding. He has abilities, talent, potential and vigor
that help him get by for many years but he cannot conquer diseases, death
and disasters.
Do you trust in vulnerable man or in Almighty God? Do you have godly belief
and spiritual conviction? Are you jealous of evil or zealous in doing good?
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| Title: Re: The Foolish christian |
31 Dec 2007 06:08:49 PM |
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"Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote in message
news:fl4qer$3fh$1@news.utelfla.com...
Those who claim there is no God are speaking the truth
the christian god is a TOTAL FARCE, the christian bible is nothing more than
the superstitious ramblings of some ancient cave dwellers and goat fuckers.
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| Title: Your Muslim God is more murderous. A mother and her five children killed |
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By MOHAMED OLAD HASSAN, Associated Press Writer Sun Dec 30, 6:02 PM ET
MOGADISHU, Somalia - A mother and her five children were killed Sunday by a
mortar round fired during fighting between Somali insurgents and Ethiopian
troops.
Insurgents attacked bases of Ethiopian troops in the south of the capital
with mortars and the Ethiopians fired back, with about 30 mortars fired in
all, said Mostaf Abdi Ahmed, a neighbor of the family.
"An explosion rocked our neighborhood, then we came out and saw a shack
partly on fire and a mother and her five children lying dead," he said.
Madey Sufi Mohamed, the husband and father who lost his family, said he had
gone to a nearby shop when he heard an explosion and returned home to find
his loved ones dead.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: The Fool |
29 Dec 2007 04:46:03 AM |
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Carl wrote:
Those who claim there is no God are fools in God's eyes.
an impossibility
He does not speak
highly of those fools.
ROFL something imaginary cannot 'speak'. Nobody has heard from him this last
1,400 years. Where did 'He' go ?
Victor Yap's sermon centers on the 14th chapter of
the Psalms where God begins to teach about fools in this book. I hope it
bring about enlightenment for you.
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of
Christianity, have been
burned, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards
uniformity of
opinion. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world
fools, and the other
half hypocrites.
[Thomas Jefferson 1743-1826]
May God bless,
'may' being the operatative word.
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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The Fool
by Victor Yap
(PSALMS 14)
A college student was in a philosophy class, where a class discussion about
whether or not God exists was in progress. The professor had the following
logic: "Has anyone in this class heard God?" Nobody spoke.
"Has anyone in this class touched God?" Again, nobody spoke.
"Has anyone in this class seen God?" When nobody spoke for the third time,
he simply stated, "Then there is no God."
A student did not like the sound of this at all, and asked for permission to
speak. The professor granted it, and the student stood up and asked the
following questions of his classmates: "Has anyone in this class heard our
professor's brain?" Silence.
"Has anyone in this class touched our professor's brain?" Absolute silence.
"Has anyone in this class seen our professor's brain?" When nobody in the
class dared to speak, the student concluded, "Then, according to our
professor's logic, it must be true that our professor has no brain!"
What makes a man a fool, according to the psalms? Is he a fool because his
I.Q. and grades are low? Is it because his thinking and speech are slow? Is
it because he cannot relate to or work with people or that he has a poor
self-esteem or self-image?
People are Liable for Their Foolish Conclusion
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds
are vile; there is no one who does good. (Ps 14:1)
A woman's husband had been slipping in and out of a coma for several months,
yet she had stayed by his bedside every single day. One day, when he came
to, he motioned for her to come nearer.
As she sat by him, he whispered, eyes full of tears, "You know what? You
have been with me all through the bad times. When I got fired, you were
there to support me. When my business failed, you were there. When I got
shot, you were by my side. When we lost the house, you stayed right here.
When my health started failing, you were still by my side... You know what?"
"What dear?" she gently asked, smiling as her heart began to fill with
warmth.
"I think you're bad luck, get the heck away from me."
Man is a fool because he thinks he has no need for his Creator, Caregiver,
Counselor and Contributor. The fool, or simply "nabal" in Hebrew without the
article ("the"), leaves his mark 18 times in the Hebrew text of the Bible,
five times in Psalms, more than any other book, and this is the first
mention of a fool in the Psalms. As one suspects, it is also the name of
Abigail's foolish and feeble husband who attempted to confront David's army
(1 Sam 25:25). Abigail fell at David's feet and said: "May my lord pay no
attention to that wicked man Nabal. He is just like his name-his name is
Fool, and folly goes with him" (1 Sam 25:23-25). In the book of Psalms, the
major mark of a foolish man is that he denies God's existence (Ps 14:1,
53:1), reviles or provokes his name, (Ps 74:18) and mocks God - meaning
rebuke and shame Him - all day long (Ps 74:22).
The Bible is not surprised or alarmed by the surplus of atheists. It
anticipates a world of atheists, people who dispute, deny and doubt God's
existence, those who think the world happens by itself, by chance or by
evolution. The fool is one who thinks the world of his ruling, discovery and
theory and the worst about His revelation, design and truth. Why is he a
fool? Because man, who is so inadequate in knowledge, limited in
understanding and shallow in thought has the audacity and the most to say
about the things they know least about. How can mortal, finite, lowly and
insignificant created human beings understand God, who is omnipotent,
omniscient and omnipresent? But the fool, who is fragile in body and proud
at heart, rejects revelation, God's teachings and biblical wisdom.
The Bible is quick to praise man and reward man but is also quick to point
to his folly. Whenever Psalms speaks of man's vulnerability, the psalmist
calls him not the regular "man" or "ish" in Hebrew, but "Adam" (v 2), to
remind him who he is, where his place is and where he came from - the "dust"
of the ground (Gen 2:7). Yes, man is powerful and peerless but he is a mere
mortal. Adam is but a breath (Ps 39:5), a vanity or emptiness (Ps 39:11),
and alike the beasts that perish (Ps 49:12, 20). Ps 144:4 says that "Adam"
is like a breath; his days are like a fleeting shadow.
Theologically, the heart of "Adam" is evil from childhood (Gen 8:21). Job
says "Adam" (man) is born to trouble as surely as sparks fly upward (Job
5:7) and that man born of woman is of few days and full of trouble (Job
14:1). The LORD knows the thoughts of Adam and He knows that they are futile
(Ps 94:11). They are liars (Ps 116:11), senseless and without knowledge (Jer
10:14).
The word "looked down" (v 2) can also be translated as "looked forth" or
"looked out" but why is it "looked down" instead of the other more neutral
translation? It is because the word when it is associated with God, it
always come with the word "from heaven" or his "sanctuary oh high" (Ps 14:2,
Ps 53:2, Ps 102:19, Lam 3:50).
People are Liable for Their Flawed Condition
2 The LORD looks down from heaven on the sons of men to see if there are any
who understand, any who seek God. 3 All have turned aside, they have
together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one. (Ps
14:2-3)
In the book, The Day America Told the Truth, James Patterson and Peter Kim
asked 2,000 participants their response to this question: "What are you
willing to do for $10 million?" The answers:
3 % would put their children up for abortion.
4 % would have a sex-change operation.
6 % would changer their race.
7 % would kill a stranger.
10 % would withhold testimony and let a murderer go free.
16 % would leave their spouses.
16 % would give up their American citizenship.
23 % would become prostitutes for a week or more.
25 % would abandon their church.
25 % would abandon their entire family.
(James Patterson/Peter Kim The Day America Told the Truth 66 NY/Prentice
Hall Press/91)
The word "corrupt" in verse 3 occurs three times in the Old Testament, twice
in the Psalms and once in Job, and it is translated as "corrupt" in NIV and
"filthy" in KJV. The Chinese translation of "dirty" reflects man's filth.
Corrupt makes one think of corrupt politicians and their money, filthy has
to do with morality. Corrupt has to do with man's conduct, business and
dealings, but filth has to do with man's core, his nature and character. The
theological term for the descent of man is "the total depravity of man."
Sin completely touched and enveloped every aspect of his life - his
attitude, belief - knowledge, facts and analysis. Man is totally depraved,
indifferent and hostile to God. He is bad, blind, beastly and barbaric to
one another. He has descended on a slippery slope he has no way of getting
out or climbing up. The much-derided and -maligned Wikipedia says total
depravity is "The doctrine of total inability teaches that people are by
nature not inclined to love God with their whole heart, mind, or strength,
as he requires, but rather all are inclined to serve their own interests
over those of their neighbor and to reject the rule of God. Even religion
and philanthropy are destructive to the extent that these originate from a
human imagination, passions, and will. Total depravity does not mean,
however, that people are as bad as possible. Rather, it means that even the
good which a person may intend is faulty in its premise, false in its
motive, and weak in its implementation; and there is no mere refinement of
natural capacities that can correct this condition."
Dismissing and denying God's existence is no major surprise to the Creator.
A world that wants to shut God out of the picture and exclude His mention
from the modern world is not news to Him. He expected it due the fallout,
but man did not. A new universe free of moral values does not shock Him. In
the name of progress and diversity, the politically correct politicians,
media and ACLUs of the world want nothing more than to remove the Ten
Commandments, Christmas and any vestiges of Christianity or the mention of
God from the nation, the city and schools. Man has nothing more urgent to do
than to shut God out and to free himself. The world wanted God to butt out
of their lives long before they said it. They don't want morality, guilt or
absolutes; all they want is a humanistic, neutral and liberated society.
A society free of God is not a better world; it is an ugly society. The
Bible says, "The wages of sin is death." There are merely two schools of
thought about change in society. One is that society will get better, and
the other is it will get worse. No one believes society will remain
stagnant. Every politician promises a better society until they find out
they are part of the problem.
Man can get by, advances along and makes progress, but his knowledge is the
very thing that marks his descent into hell. In all the advances man has
made, he cannot advance the longevity of his life or the morality of the
soul. Man is attracted to power, pleasure, fame and comfort. Humans have
drive, motivation and impetus and even incentive to seek fortune and fame,
but never to seek God. Unlike corrupt files, sadly there is no fix,
troubleshooting, recovery, repair or reconfiguration for corrupt or filthy
man.
People are Liable for Their Future Choice
4 Will evildoers never learn--those who devour my people as men eat bread
and who do not call on the LORD? 5 There they are, overwhelmed with dread,
for God is present in the company of the righteous. 6 You evildoers
frustrate the plans of the poor, but the LORD is their refuge. 7 Oh, that
salvation for Israel would come out of Zion! When the LORD restores the
fortunes of his people, let Jacob rejoice and Israel be glad! (Ps 14:4-7)
A four year old was at the pediatrician for a check up. As the doctor looked
down her ears with an otoscope, he asked, "Do you think I'll find Big Bird
in here?" The little girl stayed silent.
Next, the doctor took a tongue depressor and looked down her throat. He
asked, "Do you think I'll find the Cookie Monster down there?" Again, the
little girl was silent.
Then the doctor put a stethoscope to her chest. As he listened to her heart
beat, he asked, "Do you think I'll hear Barney in there?" "Oh, no!" the
little girl replied. "Jesus is in my heart. Barney's on my underpants."
But all is not lost for foolish man. Man still has a chance to make a
choice, to make a U-turn, to stand with God and be on His side. Where do
troubles come from? It has always to do with the presence of evildoers (vv
4, 6), troublemakers and lawbreakers. God is not our enemy; evil is. God is
our ally, refuge and help. One might say that the persecution of the
righteous can be traced to wicked people. One need not look further than
society and politicians today. They pass laws to exclude Christianity,
calling Christian as hateful, the Bible as hate literature for its moral
views and Christians speaking out against sin as hate crimes.
The word "righteous" (v 5) is so rich in the Psalms that no exposition can
do justice to it. The righteous are consistently contrasted with the wicked
in the Psalms. The righteous are people who trust in God (Ps 32:11, 64:10,
97:12) - who is the essence of righteousness (Ps 7:9, 11:7, 116:5, 119:137,
129:4), His commands (Ps 37:31) and His ways (Ps 145:17). They want nothing
to do with evil people (Ps 1:5-6).
The righteous man have many troubles, mostly at the hands of the wicked, but
the LORD delivers him from them (Ps 34:19, 37:39 ,55:22). The Lord blesses
the righteous and surrounds them with favor as with a shield (Ps 5:12). He
makes the righteous secure (Ps 7:9). The eyes of the Lord are on them (Ps
34:15). The LORD loves the righteous (Ps 146:8). The righteous are blessed,
favored, secured, guarded and loved by God.
The righteous is everybody's favorite punching bag. They are the most hated
group in society (Ps 34:19). The wicked plot against the righteous (Ps
37:12), lie in wait for the righteous (Ps 37:32), lined up verbal attacks
against them (Ps 31:18), band together against the righteous and condemn the
innocent to death (Ps 94:21), because the righteous are not envious of the
wealth of the wicked (Ps 37:16).
A righteous man is wise in mind and speech (Ps 37:30), and the righteous
will have the last laugh (Ps 52:6). He will flourish like a palm tree (Ps
92:12) because there is a God who judges the earth (Ps 58:11).
Conclusion: The greatest jeopardy in life is to bet against God's existence.
When man rejects God, he rejects his biblical commands, moral values and he
gambles on his own future, destiny and eternity. Man is merely cocky, never
clever. A truly clever person can control his life, death and fate, so man
is merely clever is his own eyes. The Bible exalts wisdom and understanding
but not cleverness or smartness. Man is only smart and clever but he is not
truly wise or understanding. He has abilities, talent, potential and vigor
that help him get by for many years but he cannot conquer diseases, death
and disasters.
Do you trust in vulnerable man or in Almighty God? Do you have godly belief
and spiritual conviction? Are you jealous of evil or zealous in doing good?
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| User: "Carl" |
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| Title: Re: The Fool |
29 Dec 2007 10:45:24 PM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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Carl wrote:
Those who claim there is no God are fools in God's eyes.
an impossibility
He does not speak
highly of those fools.
ROFL something imaginary cannot 'speak'. Nobody has heard from him this
last
1,400 years. Where did 'He' go ?
Victor Yap's sermon centers on the 14th chapter of
the Psalms where God begins to teach about fools in this book. I hope it
bring about enlightenment for you.
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of
Christianity, have been
burned, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch
towards
uniformity of
opinion. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world
fools, and the other
half hypocrites.
[Thomas Jefferson 1743-1826]
May God bless,
'may' being the operatative word.
Ps 14:1; 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God ." (NIV)
Ps 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their
ways are vile; there is no one who does good. (NIV)
[Atheists, whether in opinion or practice, are the greatest fools in the
world. Those that do not seek God do not understand; they are like
brute-beasts that have no understanding; for man is distinguished from the
brutes, not so much by the powers of reason as by a capacity for religion.
The workers of iniquity, whatever they pretend to, have no knowledge; those
may truly be said to know nothing that do not know God, v. 4. (from Matthew
Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition)]
Prov 6:16-17
There are six things the Lord hates...a lying tongue... (NIV)
Prov 10:18
He who conceals his hatred has lying lips, and whoever spreads slander is a
fool. (NIV)
Prov 10:23
A fool finds pleasure in evil conduct, but a man of understanding delights
in wisdom. (NIV)
Prov 12:16
A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult.
(NIV)
Prov 12:22
The Lord detests lying lips, but he delights in men who are truthful. (NIV)
Prov 13:16
Every prudent man acts out of knowledge, but a fool exposes his folly. (NIV)
Prov 14:8
The wisdom of the prudent is to give thought to their ways, but the folly of
fools is deception. (NIV)
Prov 14:16
A wise man fears the Lord and shuns evil, but a fool is hotheaded and
reckless. (NIV)
Prov 14:24
The wealth of the wise is their crown, but the folly of fools yields folly.
(NIV)
Prov 15:2
The tongue of the wise commends knowledge, but the mouth of the fool gushes
folly. (NIV)
Prov 15:7
The lips of the wise spread knowledge; not so the hearts of fools. (NIV)
Prov 18:2
A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own
opinions. (NIV)
Prov 23:9
Do not speak to a fool, for he will scorn the wisdom of your words. (NIV)
Prov 26:4
Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him
yourself. (NIV)
Prov 26:11
As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly. (NIV)
Prov 27:3
Stone is heavy and sand a burden, but provocation by a fool is heavier than
both. (NIV)
Prov 27:22
Though you grind a fool in a mortar, grinding him like grain with a pestle,
you will not remove his folly from him. (NIV)
Eccl 7:5
It is better to heed a wise man's rebuke than to listen to the song of
fools. (NIV)
Eccl 7:6
Like the crackling of thorns under the pot, so is the laughter of fools.
This too is meaningless. (NIV)
Eccl 7:9
Do not be quickly provoked in your spirit, for anger resides in the lap of
fools. (NIV)
Rom 1:22
Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools... (NIV)
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: The Fool |
30 Dec 2007 01:49:14 AM |
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Carl wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:477624D0.9E91293@netvigator.com...
Carl wrote:
Those who claim there is no God are fools in God's eyes.
an impossibility
He does not speak
highly of those fools.
ROFL something imaginary cannot 'speak'. Nobody has heard from him this
last
1,400 years. Where did 'He' go ?
Victor Yap's sermon centers on the 14th chapter of
the Psalms where God begins to teach about fools in this book. I hope it
bring about enlightenment for you.
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of
Christianity, have been
burned, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch
towards
uniformity of
opinion. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world
fools, and the other
half hypocrites.
[Thomas Jefferson 1743-1826]
May God bless,
'may' being the operatative word.
Ps 14:1; 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God ." (NIV)
Ps 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their
ways are vile; there is no one who does good. (NIV)
[Atheists, whether in opinion or practice, are the greatest fools in the
world. Those that do not seek God do not understand; they are like
brute-beasts that have no understanding;
this writer is a sick fool - he compartmentalizes human beings and
sanctimoniously accuses atheists of this when a god third of them are
pacifists.
for man is distinguished from the
brutes,
more religious sanctimonious sickness
not so much by the powers of reason as by a capacity for religion.
The workers of iniquity, whatever they pretend to, have no knowledge; those
may truly be said to know nothing that do not know God, v. 4. (from Matthew
Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition)]
Carl must be hard pressed finding the need to drag such garbage out to try to
justify his leanings towards early superstitions.
This is close to atheism, for those who really need to know, the last line was
written just for you Carl
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
Prov 6:16-17
There are six things the Lord hates...a lying tongue... (NIV)
Then you are lucky he is only a myth otherwise you are in deep *****.
Prov 10:18
He who conceals his hatred has lying lips, and whoever spreads slander is a
fool. (NIV)
that must mean you Carl
Prov 10:23
A fool finds pleasure in evil conduct, but a man of understanding delights
in wisdom. (NIV)
True indeed
Prov 12:16
A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult.
(NIV)
Prov 12:22
The Lord detests lying lips, but he delights in men who are truthful. (NIV)
Prov 13:16
Every prudent man acts out of knowledge, but a fool exposes his folly. (NIV)
Prov 14:8
The wisdom of the prudent is to give thought to their ways, but the folly of
fools is deception. (NIV)
Prov 14:16
A wise man fears the Lord and shuns evil, but a fool is hotheaded and
reckless. (NIV)
Prov 14:24
The wealth of the wise is their crown, but the folly of fools yields folly.
(NIV)
Prov 15:2
The tongue of the wise commends knowledge, but the mouth of the fool gushes
folly. (NIV)
Prov 15:7
The lips of the wise spread knowledge; not so the hearts of fools. (NIV)
Prov 18:2
A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own
opinions. (NIV)
Prov 23:9
Do not speak to a fool, for he will scorn the wisdom of your words. (NIV)
Prov 26:4
Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him
yourself. (NIV)
Prov 26:11
As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly. (NIV)
Prov 27:3
Stone is heavy and sand a burden, but provocation by a fool is heavier than
both. (NIV)
Prov 27:22
Though you grind a fool in a mortar, grinding him like grain with a pestle,
you will not remove his folly from him. (NIV)
Eccl 7:5
It is better to heed a wise man's rebuke than to listen to the song of
fools. (NIV)
Eccl 7:6
Like the crackling of thorns under the pot, so is the laughter of fools.
This too is meaningless. (NIV)
Eccl 7:9
Do not be quickly provoked in your spirit, for anger resides in the lap of
fools. (NIV)
Rom 1:22
Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools... (NIV)
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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| Title: Re: The Fool |
30 Dec 2007 02:35:07 PM |
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On 30 Dec 2007 01:49:14 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
Carl wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:477624D0.9E91293@netvigator.com...
Carl wrote:
Those who claim there is no God are fools in God's eyes.
an impossibility
He does not speak
highly of those fools.
ROFL something imaginary cannot 'speak'. Nobody has heard from him this
last
1,400 years. Where did 'He' go ?
Victor Yap's sermon centers on the 14th chapter of
the Psalms where God begins to teach about fools in this book. I hope it
bring about enlightenment for you.
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of
Christianity, have been
burned, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch
towards
uniformity of
opinion. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world
fools, and the other
half hypocrites.
[Thomas Jefferson 1743-1826]
May God bless,
'may' being the operatative word.
Ps 14:1; 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God ." (NIV)
Ps 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their
ways are vile; there is no one who does good. (NIV)
[Atheists, whether in opinion or practice, are the greatest fools in the
world. Those that do not seek God do not understand; they are like
brute-beasts that have no understanding;
this writer is a sick fool - he compartmentalizes human beings and
sanctimoniously accuses atheists of this when a god third of them are
pacifists.
for man is distinguished from the
brutes,
more religious sanctimonious sickness
not so much by the powers of reason as by a capacity for religion.
The workers of iniquity, whatever they pretend to, have no knowledge; those
may truly be said to know nothing that do not know God, v. 4. (from Matthew
Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition)]
Carl must be hard pressed finding the need to drag such garbage out to try to
justify his leanings towards early superstitions.
This is close to atheism, for those who really need to know, the last line was
written just for you Carl
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
Bob,
A while back someone posted a quote from an atheist that admits that
atheism is a religion. Mr. Fields is mistaken. Atheism is that which
is practiced by atheists. Not all atheists are into reality, not all
atheists are into freedom, etc. If it is practiced religiously, then
it is a religion. The belief itself is not a religion. Antitheism is
a religion. An antitheist is a religious person while an atheist may
not be.
Apparently, you think your religion is better than the Christian
fundamentalist version. They think their form of religion is superior
to yours. Neither of you can prove your religion superior to the other
except by how you live your life. It is the product of a person's
life that proves it value.
Whose life bears the most positive results; your's or Carl's. I agree
with you that Carl, does not manifest the love of God as he is
supposed to and that he does say a lot of foolish things. But, that
is what his religion teaches him. Apparently your religion teaches
you to be intolerant of people like Carl. Where is the "reality",
"the reason", "the freedom" in that behavior that makes it superior
to Carl's behavior?
You gave Carl an open door with your earlier question which he could
have used to find some common ground with you. Then he gave you an
open door through which you could have entered and changed his diaper.
It seems to me that antitheists who think themselves intellectuals
would have reasonable polite responses ready so that when an
opportunity like this one occurs, they would be ready to respond.
Whether a fundamentalist evangelist or an antitheist evangelist; a man
should have an answer ready for just about any circumstance.
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Nothing so completely baffles one who is full of trick and duplicity
himself, than straightforward and simple integrity in another.
Charles Caleb Colton, author and clergyman (1780-1832)
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: The Fool |
30 Dec 2007 09:31:03 PM |
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Bible Bob wrote:
On 30 Dec 2007 01:49:14 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
Carl wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:477624D0.9E91293@netvigator.com...
Carl wrote:
Those who claim there is no God are fools in God's eyes.
an impossibility
He does not speak
highly of those fools.
ROFL something imaginary cannot 'speak'. Nobody has heard from him this
last
1,400 years. Where did 'He' go ?
Victor Yap's sermon centers on the 14th chapter of
the Psalms where God begins to teach about fools in this book. I hope it
bring about enlightenment for you.
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of
Christianity, have been
burned, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch
towards
uniformity of
opinion. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world
fools, and the other
half hypocrites.
[Thomas Jefferson 1743-1826]
May God bless,
'may' being the operatative word.
Ps 14:1; 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God ." (NIV)
Ps 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their
ways are vile; there is no one who does good. (NIV)
[Atheists, whether in opinion or practice, are the greatest fools in the
world. Those that do not seek God do not understand; they are like
brute-beasts that have no understanding;
this writer is a sick fool - he compartmentalizes human beings and
sanctimoniously accuses atheists of this when a god third of them are
pacifists.
for man is distinguished from the
brutes,
more religious sanctimonious sickness
not so much by the powers of reason as by a capacity for religion.
The workers of iniquity, whatever they pretend to, have no knowledge; those
may truly be said to know nothing that do not know God, v. 4. (from Matthew
Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition)]
Carl must be hard pressed finding the need to drag such garbage out to try to
justify his leanings towards early superstitions.
This is close to atheism, for those who really need to know, the last line was
written just for you Carl
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
Bob,
A while back someone posted a quote from an atheist that admits that
atheism is a religion.
Yes it is always so claimed, very few atheists [I do not know of one] will so
claim. we simply reject gods and all the silly beliefs that go with them
Mr. Fields is mistaken. Atheism is that which
is practiced by atheists. Not all atheists are into reality, not all
atheists are into freedom, etc. If it is practiced religiously, then
it is a religion.
Wrong it is a rejection of such practices because they are considered banal
The belief itself is not a religion. Antitheism is
a religion. An antitheist is a religious person while an atheist may
not be.
OK if it makes you feel better. I simply reject the existence of all gods then
'not collecting postage stamps' is a hobby
Apparently, you think your religion is better than the Christian
fundamentalist version.
I do not have one. Religions in part do a lot of good when it comes to charity.
But humans are charitable anyway and without religion they would still help
mankind. Religions also do a lot of harm and they do it in the name of their god -
this i object to
They think their form of religion is superior
to yours.
you mean Hindu v Christian. yes it happens
Neither of you can prove your religion superior to the other
except by how you live your life. It is the product of a person's
life that proves it value.
Whose life bears the most positive results; your's or Carl's.
not an issue. the issue is whether there are gods or not.
I agree
with you that Carl, does not manifest the love of God as he is
supposed to and that he does say a lot of foolish things. But, that
is what his religion teaches him. Apparently your religion teaches
you to be intolerant of people like Carl. Where is the "reality",
"the reason", "the freedom" in that behavior that makes it superior
to Carl's behavior?
I DO NOT HAVE A RELIGION. I REJECTED MINE AT AROUND AGE 24
You gave Carl an open door with your earlier question which he could
have used to find some common ground with you. Then he gave you an
open door through which you could have entered and changed his diaper.
It seems to me that antitheists who think themselves intellectuals
would have reasonable polite responses ready so that when an
opportunity like this one occurs, they would be ready to respond.
Whether a fundamentalist evangelist or an antitheist evangelist; a man
should have an answer ready for just about any circumstance.
I trust I have lived up to being an intelligent atheist.
What troubles you most about us of course is we use logic and common sense; two
concepts that sit most uncomfortably whern dealing with religious dogmas
Bob
The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical
atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not.
[Eric Hoffer (1902 - 1983)]
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Nothing so completely baffles one who is full of trick and duplicity
himself, than straightforward and simple integrity in another.
Charles Caleb Colton, author and clergyman (1780-1832)
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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| Title: Re: The Fool |
31 Dec 2007 10:18:47 AM |
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On 30 Dec 2007 21:31:03 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
On 30 Dec 2007 01:49:14 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
Carl wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:477624D0.9E91293@netvigator.com...
Carl wrote:
Those who claim there is no God are fools in God's eyes.
an impossibility
He does not speak
highly of those fools.
ROFL something imaginary cannot 'speak'. Nobody has heard from him this
last
1,400 years. Where did 'He' go ?
Victor Yap's sermon centers on the 14th chapter of
the Psalms where God begins to teach about fools in this book. I hope it
bring about enlightenment for you.
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of
Christianity, have been
burned, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch
towards
uniformity of
opinion. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world
fools, and the other
half hypocrites.
[Thomas Jefferson 1743-1826]
May God bless,
'may' being the operatative word.
Ps 14:1; 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God ." (NIV)
Ps 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their
ways are vile; there is no one who does good. (NIV)
[Atheists, whether in opinion or practice, are the greatest fools in the
world. Those that do not seek God do not understand; they are like
brute-beasts that have no understanding;
this writer is a sick fool - he compartmentalizes human beings and
sanctimoniously accuses atheists of this when a god third of them are
pacifists.
for man is distinguished from the
brutes,
more religious sanctimonious sickness
not so much by the powers of reason as by a capacity for religion.
The workers of iniquity, whatever they pretend to, have no knowledge; those
may truly be said to know nothing that do not know God, v. 4. (from Matthew
Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition)]
Carl must be hard pressed finding the need to drag such garbage out to try to
justify his leanings towards early superstitions.
This is close to atheism, for those who really need to know, the last line was
written just for you Carl
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
Bob,
A while back someone posted a quote from an atheist that admits that
atheism is a religion.
Yes it is always so claimed, very few atheists [I do not know of one] will so
claim. we simply reject gods and all the silly beliefs that go with them
Mr. Fields is mistaken. Atheism is that which
is practiced by atheists. Not all atheists are into reality, not all
atheists are into freedom, etc. If it is practiced religiously, then
it is a religion.
Wrong it is a rejection of such practices because they are considered banal
The belief itself is not a religion. Antitheism is
a religion. An antitheist is a religious person while an atheist may
not be.
OK if it makes you feel better. I simply reject the existence of all gods then
'not collecting postage stamps' is a hobby
Apparently, you think your religion is better than the Christian
fundamentalist version.
I do not have one. Religions in part do a lot of good when it comes to charity.
But humans are charitable anyway and without religion they would still help
mankind. Religions also do a lot of harm and they do it in the name of their god -
this i object to
They think their form of religion is superior
to yours.
you mean Hindu v Christian. yes it happens
Neither of you can prove your religion superior to the other
except by how you live your life. It is the product of a person's
life that proves it value.
Whose life bears the most positive results; your's or Carl's.
not an issue. the issue is whether there are gods or not.
I agree
with you that Carl, does not manifest the love of God as he is
supposed to and that he does say a lot of foolish things. But, that
is what his religion teaches him. Apparently your religion teaches
you to be intolerant of people like Carl. Where is the "reality",
"the reason", "the freedom" in that behavior that makes it superior
to Carl's behavior?
I DO NOT HAVE A RELIGION. I REJECTED MINE AT AROUND AGE 24
You gave Carl an open door with your earlier question which he could
have used to find some common ground with you. Then he gave you an
open door through which you could have entered and changed his diaper.
It seems to me that antitheists who think themselves intellectuals
would have reasonable polite responses ready so that when an
opportunity like this one occurs, they would be ready to respond.
Whether a fundamentalist evangelist or an antitheist evangelist; a man
should have an answer ready for just about any circumstance.
I trust I have lived up to being an intelligent atheist.
What troubles you most about us of course is we use logic and common sense; two
concepts that sit most uncomfortably whern dealing with religious dogmas
Bob
Bob,
Last things first. Nothing "troubles" me about atheists. An atheist
is simply someone that does not believe in gods; including the God
that I believe in. Many atheists are truth seekers and skeptics like
myself that demand evidence. I believe in God and I believe those
things about God that I have learned to be true. I do not believe
most of the religious propaganda about God promoted by those who make
a living selling their versions of God.
Atheists often behave better than some Christians if for no other
reason than that their minds are not corrupted with wrong doctrines.
It is unlikely that most atheists will wage wars against people in the
name of a god. Atheists and Christians are people who act just like
people. The real difference between an atheist and a "Christian" is
one thing; spirit by which the Christian has the potential to manifest
the love of God. Unfortunately, many Christians confuse natural human
love with spiritual love of God.
As an atheist you do not believe in "spirit" or the "spiritual love of
God." From my point of view, faith comes by hearing the word of God
and different people need to hear different parts of the word of God
at different times in their life. I elect to be patient with
unblievers and wait for them to deceide if and when to believe. From
my point of view, God gave every man the length of his life to make
the decision. Who am I to say at what point in a person's life he
must believe?
If "Christians" cannot demonstrate the love and power and truth of God
to the degree that they are supposed to; then it is the Christian who
is partially responsible for the atheist's unbelief. Let's face it,
if you are a car salesman you don't call your customers names or speak
down to the; not if you want to seel the person a car.
Fundamentalist antitheists, fundamentalist catholics, fundamentalist
baptists, fundamentalist methodists, etc. are a problem because they
demand others believe what they believe and make unrighteous
judgements against those who do not believe what they believe. A
creationist and an evolutionist are of the same substance; believe
what I say or I will judge you unrighteous.
People are people regardless of what they believe. I don't consider
myself wiser than you for chosing to believe in God. I do consider
myself more fortunate because from my point of view what I have gained
is superior to what you have not gained. A Christian on the other
hand who pronounces to the world that he is a Christian, I look at
from a different perspective. I expect him to be wise in a spiritual
sense and I expect him to use what he has gained (spiritual love) for
good.
With regard to you having or not having a religion. If you are an
atheist and do not promote your belief system; then you do not have a
religion. But if you promote your belief system (especially as
superior to the belief systems of others) then you do have a religion
and are a religious person. If you look down on Christians because
they believe what you do not believe; then you are very religious. The
essense of worship is obedience to something outside yourself. What
you obey is what you worship. If the legal speed limit is 60 and you
chose to be obedient to the law and drive 55; well and fine. But
don't expect me to limit myself to 55 when I can do 60.
Don't take ofense at my words or shout at me for believing what I
believe. I have just as much right to believe what I believe as you
do. I have a right to believe that antitheism is a religion and since
I am a truth seeker and a skeptic who demands evidence for a verdict;
you might wonder what the eividence is that motivated me to believe
rather than judging me as wrong for believing what I believe. Lots of
us have been hurt by religion and handle our hurt in different ways.
Bob
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31 Dec 2007 10:16:02 PM |
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Bible Bob wrote:
On 30 Dec 2007 21:31:03 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
On 30 Dec 2007 01:49:14 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
Carl wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:477624D0.9E91293@netvigator.com...
Carl wrote:
Those who claim there is no God are fools in God's eyes.
an impossibility
He does not speak
highly of those fools.
ROFL something imaginary cannot 'speak'. Nobody has heard from him this
last
1,400 years. Where did 'He' go ?
Victor Yap's sermon centers on the 14th chapter of
the Psalms where God begins to teach about fools in this book. I hope it
bring about enlightenment for you.
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of
Christianity, have been
burned, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch
towards
uniformity of
opinion. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world
fools, and the other
half hypocrites.
[Thomas Jefferson 1743-1826]
May God bless,
'may' being the operatative word.
Ps 14:1; 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God ." (NIV)
Ps 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their
ways are vile; there is no one who does good. (NIV)
[Atheists, whether in opinion or practice, are the greatest fools in the
world. Those that do not seek God do not understand; they are like
brute-beasts that have no understanding;
this writer is a sick fool - he compartmentalizes human beings and
sanctimoniously accuses atheists of this when a god third of them are
pacifists.
for man is distinguished from the
brutes,
more religious sanctimonious sickness
not so much by the powers of reason as by a capacity for religion.
The workers of iniquity, whatever they pretend to, have no knowledge; those
may truly be said to know nothing that do not know God, v. 4. (from Matthew
Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition)]
Carl must be hard pressed finding the need to drag such garbage out to try to
justify his leanings towards early superstitions.
This is close to atheism, for those who really need to know, the last line was
written just for you Carl
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
Bob,
A while back someone posted a quote from an atheist that admits that
atheism is a religion.
Yes it is always so claimed, very few atheists [I do not know of one] will so
claim. we simply reject gods and all the silly beliefs that go with them
Mr. Fields is mistaken. Atheism is that which
is practiced by atheists. Not all atheists are into reality, not all
atheists are into freedom, etc. If it is practiced religiously, then
it is a religion.
Wrong it is a rejection of such practices because they are considered banal
The belief itself is not a religion. Antitheism is
a religion. An antitheist is a religious person while an atheist may
not be.
OK if it makes you feel better. I simply reject the existence of all gods then
'not collecting postage stamps' is a hobby
Apparently, you think your religion is better than the Christian
fundamentalist version.
I do not have one. Religions in part do a lot of good when it comes to charity.
But humans are charitable anyway and without religion they would still help
mankind. Religions also do a lot of harm and they do it in the name of their god -
this i object to
They think their form of religion is superior
to yours.
you mean Hindu v Christian. yes it happens
Neither of you can prove your religion superior to the other
except by how you live your life. It is the product of a person's
life that proves it value.
Whose life bears the most positive results; your's or Carl's.
not an issue. the issue is whether there are gods or not.
I agree
with you that Carl, does not manifest the love of God as he is
supposed to and that he does say a lot of foolish things. But, that
is what his religion teaches him. Apparently your religion teaches
you to be intolerant of people like Carl. Where is the "reality",
"the reason", "the freedom" in that behavior that makes it superior
to Carl's behavior?
I DO NOT HAVE A RELIGION. I REJECTED MINE AT AROUND AGE 24
You gave Carl an open door with your earlier question which he could
have used to find some common ground with you. Then he gave you an
open door through which you could have entered and changed his diaper.
It seems to me that antitheists who think themselves intellectuals
would have reasonable polite responses ready so that when an
opportunity like this one occurs, they would be ready to respond.
Whether a fundamentalist evangelist or an antitheist evangelist; a man
should have an answer ready for just about any circumstance.
I trust I have lived up to being an intelligent atheist.
What troubles you most about us of course is we use logic and common sense; two
concepts that sit most uncomfortably whern dealing with religious dogmas
Bob
Bob,
Last things first. Nothing "troubles" me about atheists. An atheist
is simply someone that does not believe in gods; including the God
that I believe in. Many atheists are truth seekers and skeptics like
myself that demand evidence. I believe in God and I believe those
things about God that I have learned to be true. I do not believe
most of the religious propaganda about God promoted by those who make
a living selling their versions of God.
We agree on this then, except the three words above 'to be true'
Atheists often behave better than some Christians if for no other
reason than that their minds are not corrupted with wrong doctrines.
It is unlikely that most atheists will wage wars against people in the
name of a god. Atheists and Christians are people who act just like
people. The real difference between an atheist and a "Christian" is
one thing; spirit by which the Christian has the potential to manifest
the love of God. Unfortunately, many Christians confuse natural human
love with spiritual love of God.
I have never had 'spirit' defined for me as yet in a way that I can accept
As an atheist you do not believe in "spirit" or the "spiritual love of
God." From my point of view, faith comes by hearing the word of God
and different people need to hear different parts of the word of God
at different times in their life. I elect to be patient with
unblievers and wait for them to deceide if and when to believe. From
my point of view, God gave every man the length of his life to make
the decision. Who am I to say at what point in a person's life he
must believe?
This does not sit comfortably when we both know there are still borne and like my early
friend when I was seven, killed by strike on the temple by a hard hit cricket ball. I
lived another seventy years longer than Alan.
If "Christians" cannot demonstrate the love and power and truth of God
to the degree that they are supposed to; then it is the Christian who
is partially responsible for the atheist's unbelief. Let's face it,
if you are a car salesman you don't call your customers names or speak
down to the; not if you want to seel the person a car.
I should know I used to be one, and later on CEO of a Toyota dealership
Fundamentalist antitheists, fundamentalist catholics, fundamentalist
baptists, fundamentalist methodists, etc. are a problem because they
demand others believe what they believe and make unrighteous
judgements against those who do not believe what they believe. A
creationist and an evolutionist are of the same substance; believe
what I say or I will judge you unrighteous.
that is very true and an acute danger to the human race
People are people regardless of what they believe.
right
I don't consider
myself wiser than you for chosing to believe in God.
so many here do - good to know
I do consider
myself more fortunate because from my point of view what I have gained
is superior to what you have not gained. A Christian on the other
hand who pronounces to the world that he is a Christian, I look at
from a different perspective. I expect him to be wise in a spiritual
sense and I expect him to use what he has gained (spiritual love) for
good.
With regard to you having or not having a religion. If you are an
atheist and do not promote your belief system; then you do not have a
religion. But if you promote your belief system (especially as
superior to the belief systems of others) then you do have a religion
and are a religious person. If you look down on Christians because
they believe what you do not believe; then you are very religious.
I do none of these, I only fear inter religious conflict, number one, and I abhor
children being inculcated with religious dogma, number two
The
essense of worship is obedience to something outside yourself. What
you obey is what you worship. If the legal speed limit is 60 and you
chose to be obedient to the law and drive 55; well and fine. But
don't expect me to limit myself to 55 when I can do 60.
Don't take ofense at my words or shout at me for believing what I
believe.
no way - nice post
I have just as much right to believe what I believe as you
do.
As long as you let your kids chose and don't become a suicide bomber in the name of
your god
I have a right to believe that antitheism is a religion and since
I am a truth seeker and a skeptic who demands evidence for a verdict;
Can't agree there, sorry
you might wonder what the eividence is that motivated me to believe
rather than judging me as wrong for believing what I believe. Lots of
us have been hurt by religion and handle our hurt in different ways.
Hey from another bob, have A Happy New Year.
Bob
Bob
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01 Jan 2008 09:27:08 AM |
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On 31 Dec 2007 22:16:02 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
On 30 Dec 2007 21:31:03 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
On 30 Dec 2007 01:49:14 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
Carl wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:477624D0.9E91293@netvigator.com...
Carl wrote:
Those who claim there is no God are fools in God's eyes.
an impossibility
He does not speak
highly of those fools.
ROFL something imaginary cannot 'speak'. Nobody has heard from him this
last
1,400 years. Where did 'He' go ?
Victor Yap's sermon centers on the 14th chapter of
the Psalms where God begins to teach about fools in this book. I hope it
bring about enlightenment for you.
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of
Christianity, have been
burned, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch
towards
uniformity of
opinion. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world
fools, and the other
half hypocrites.
[Thomas Jefferson 1743-1826]
May God bless,
'may' being the operatative word.
Ps 14:1; 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God ." (NIV)
Ps 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their
ways are vile; there is no one who does good. (NIV)
[Atheists, whether in opinion or practice, are the greatest fools in the
world. Those that do not seek God do not understand; they are like
brute-beasts that have no understanding;
this writer is a sick fool - he compartmentalizes human beings and
sanctimoniously accuses atheists of this when a god third of them are
pacifists.
for man is distinguished from the
brutes,
more religious sanctimonious sickness
not so much by the powers of reason as by a capacity for religion.
The workers of iniquity, whatever they pretend to, have no knowledge; those
may truly be said to know nothing that do not know God, v. 4. (from Matthew
Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition)]
Carl must be hard pressed finding the need to drag such garbage out to try to
justify his leanings towards early superstitions.
This is close to atheism, for those who really need to know, the last line was
written just for you Carl
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
Bob,
A while back someone posted a quote from an atheist that admits that
atheism is a religion.
Yes it is always so claimed, very few atheists [I do not know of one] will so
claim. we simply reject gods and all the silly beliefs that go with them
Mr. Fields is mistaken. Atheism is that which
is practiced by atheists. Not all atheists are into reality, not all
atheists are into freedom, etc. If it is practiced religiously, then
it is a religion.
Wrong it is a rejection of such practices because they are considered banal
The belief itself is not a religion. Antitheism is
a religion. An antitheist is a religious person while an atheist may
not be.
OK if it makes you feel better. I simply reject the existence of all gods then
'not collecting postage stamps' is a hobby
Apparently, you think your religion is better than the Christian
fundamentalist version.
I do not have one. Religions in part do a lot of good when it comes to charity.
But humans are charitable anyway and without religion they would still help
mankind. Religions also do a lot of harm and they do it in the name of their god -
this i object to
They think their form of religion is superior
to yours.
you mean Hindu v Christian. yes it happens
Neither of you can prove your religion superior to the other
except by how you live your life. It is the product of a person's
life that proves it value.
Whose life bears the most positive results; your's or Carl's.
not an issue. the issue is whether there are gods or not.
I agree
with you that Carl, does not manifest the love of God as he is
supposed to and that he does say a lot of foolish things. But, that
is what his religion teaches him. Apparently your religion teaches
you to be intolerant of people like Carl. Where is the "reality",
"the reason", "the freedom" in that behavior that makes it superior
to Carl's behavior?
I DO NOT HAVE A RELIGION. I REJECTED MINE AT AROUND AGE 24
You gave Carl an open door with your earlier question which he could
have used to find some common ground with you. Then he gave you an
open door through which you could have entered and changed his diaper.
It seems to me that antitheists who think themselves intellectuals
would have reasonable polite responses ready so that when an
opportunity like this one occurs, they would be ready to respond.
Whether a fundamentalist evangelist or an antitheist evangelist; a man
should have an answer ready for just about any circumstance.
I trust I have lived up to being an intelligent atheist.
What troubles you most about us of course is we use logic and common sense; two
concepts that sit most uncomfortably whern dealing with religious dogmas
Bob
Bob,
Last things first. Nothing "troubles" me about atheists. An atheist
is simply someone that does not believe in gods; including the God
that I believe in. Many atheists are truth seekers and skeptics like
myself that demand evidence. I believe in God and I believe those
things about God that I have learned to be true. I do not believe
most of the religious propaganda about God promoted by those who make
a living selling their versions of God.
We agree on this then, except the three words above 'to be true'
Atheists often behave better than some Christians if for no other
reason than that their minds are not corrupted with wrong doctrines.
It is unlikely that most atheists will wage wars against people in the
name of a god. Atheists and Christians are people who act just like
people. The real difference between an atheist and a "Christian" is
one thing; spirit by which the Christian has the potential to manifest
the love of God. Unfortunately, many Christians confuse natural human
love with spiritual love of God.
I have never had 'spirit' defined for me as yet in a way that I can accept
Spirit whether God or angel is not composed of any form of matter. No
atoms, no molecules, etc. as we know them via the senses. God is not
a white haired old man sitting on a gold throne. Natural attributes
ascribed to God are always Anthromorphic figures of speech. God has
not hands, feet, mouth, eyes, or human brain and does not think,
experience human emotions such as wrath, cannot see, say or do as men
do. Spirit refers to that which is invisible to humans. The gift of
God which is holy spirit is the invisible life put in humans that will
replace natural life called the soul. Spirit and soul are not
synonymous except that spirit is often used in the figurative sense
via Synecdoche for the psychology of man. The love of God is based on
what is right and just for the recipient and has nothing to do with
human emotions. Agape is spiritual love while phileo is natural love.
The problem is that religious people often try to masquerade natural
love as spiritual love; or erotic love for spiritual love. Genesis
defines spirit as an invisble force or agent that is sent by God.
Angels are subordinate created spirit beings superior to humans in
that they are "supernatural".
As an atheist you do not believe in "spirit" or the "spiritual love of
God." From my point of view, faith comes by hearing the word of God
and different people need to hear different parts of the word of God
at different times in their life. I elect to be patient with
unblievers and wait for them to deceide if and when to believe. From
my point of view, God gave every man the length of his life to make
the decision. Who am I to say at what point in a person's life he
must believe?
This does not sit comfortably when we both know there are still borne and like my early
friend when I was seven, killed by strike on the temple by a hard hit cricket ball. I
lived another seventy years longer than Alan.
My God has no pleasure in peventing live births. The first
commandment was to make babies (Be fruitful and multiple and replenish
the earth). God gains nothing through the death of children since
they do not go to heaven when they die. It is more advantagous to Him
for them to live. You don't beleive in him; but the other god, the
god of this world is the one who profits from death and works hard to
cause it.
If there were two kings of the same kingdom; one good and one bad, one
just and one unjust the good king would be responsible for the good
and the bad for the bad. People being what they are would blame the
good king for deaths caused by the bad king.
God is a just God and cannot "override" the god of this world who has
legal authority to kill people under certain circumstances. Man
legally transfered the dominion of the earth to the god of this world.
It is just that simple. People blame the good king for what the bad
king does because they do not understand the two gods and the systems
that apply. They are ignorant, because they are religious. Religion
is not a good thing, unless it is that religion promoted by Goid which
is not practiced by most men. What's the difference between a
fundamentalist muslim terrorist and a christian fundamentalist
terrorist; one is named Mohammed and the other John. Hate is hate and
love is love no matter who the doer is. Fundamentalists are haters by
nature because their religion is nature based rather than spirit
based; or is evil spirit based rather than good spirit based. Both
groups lie about "hell" which does not exist (according to the Bible)
in order to control and manipulate for the sake of power and money;
same with much of the rest of their doctrines - money and power or "I
am better than you" religiosity.
If "Christians" cannot demonstrate the love and power and truth of God
to the degree that they are supposed to; then it is the Christian who
is partially responsible for the atheist's unbelief. Let's face it,
if you are a car salesman you don't call your customers names or speak
down to the; not if you want to seel the person a car.
I should know I used to be one, and later on CEO of a Toyota dealership
Fundamentalist antitheists, fundamentalist catholics, fundamentalist
baptists, fundamentalist methodists, etc. are a problem because they
demand others believe what they believe and make unrighteous
judgements against those who do not believe what they believe. A
creationist and an evolutionist are of the same substance; believe
what I say or I will judge you unrighteous.
that is very true and an acute danger to the human race
People are people regardless of what they believe.
right
I don't consider
myself wiser than you for chosing to believe in God.
so many here do - good to know
I do consider
myself more fortunate because from my point of view what I have gained
is superior to what you have not gained. A Christian on the other
hand who pronounces to the world that he is a Christian, I look at
from a different perspective. I expect him to be wise in a spiritual
sense and I expect him to use what he has gained (spiritual love) for
good.
With regard to you having or not having a religion. If you are an
atheist and do not promote your belief system; then you do not have a
religion. But if you promote your belief system (especially as
superior to the belief systems of others) then you do have a religion
and are a religious person. If you look down on Christians because
they believe what you do not believe; then you are very religious.
I do none of these, I only fear inter religious conflict, number one, and I abhor
children being inculcated with religious dogma, number two
The
essense of worship is obedience to something outside yourself. What
you obey is what you worship. If the legal speed limit is 60 and you
chose to be obedient to the law and drive 55; well and fine. But
don't expect me to limit myself to 55 when I can do 60.
Don't take ofense at my words or shout at me for believing what I
believe.
no way - nice post
I have just as much right to believe what I believe as you
do.
As long as you let your kids chose and don't become a suicide bomber in the name of
your god
I have a right to believe that antitheism is a religion and since
I am a truth seeker and a skeptic who demands evidence for a verdict;
Can't agree there, sorry
you might wonder what the eividence is that motivated me to believe
rather than judging me as wrong for believing what I believe. Lots of
us have been hurt by religion and handle our hurt in different ways.
Hey from another bob, have A Happy New Year.
Same to you.
Bob
Bob
BB
http://www.biblebob.net
Nothing so completely baffles one who is full of trick and duplicity
himself, than straightforward and simple integrity in another.
Charles Caleb Colton, author and clergyman (1780-1832)
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| Title: Re: The Fool |
01 Jan 2008 11:34:03 PM |
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Bible Bob wrote:
On 31 Dec 2007 22:16:02 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
On 30 Dec 2007 21:31:03 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
On 30 Dec 2007 01:49:14 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com>
wrote:
Carl wrote:
"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:477624D0.9E91293@netvigator.com...
Carl wrote:
Those who claim there is no God are fools in God's eyes.
an impossibility
He does not speak
highly of those fools.
ROFL something imaginary cannot 'speak'. Nobody has heard from him this
last
1,400 years. Where did 'He' go ?
Victor Yap's sermon centers on the 14th chapter of
the Psalms where God begins to teach about fools in this book. I hope it
bring about enlightenment for you.
Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of
Christianity, have been
burned, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch
towards
uniformity of
opinion. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world
fools, and the other
half hypocrites.
[Thomas Jefferson 1743-1826]
May God bless,
'may' being the operatative word.
Ps 14:1; 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God ." (NIV)
Ps 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their
ways are vile; there is no one who does good. (NIV)
[Atheists, whether in opinion or practice, are the greatest fools in the
world. Those that do not seek God do not understand; they are like
brute-beasts that have no understanding;
this writer is a sick fool - he compartmentalizes human beings and
sanctimoniously accuses atheists of this when a god third of them are
pacifists.
for man is distinguished from the
brutes,
more religious sanctimonious sickness
not so much by the powers of reason as by a capacity for religion.
The workers of iniquity, whatever they pretend to, have no knowledge; those
may truly be said to know nothing that do not know God, v. 4. (from Matthew
Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition)]
Carl must be hard pressed finding the need to drag such garbage out to try to
justify his leanings towards early superstitions.
This is close to atheism, for those who really need to know, the last line was
written just for you Carl
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an old
religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and never has
been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in its
simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
Bob,
A while back someone posted a quote from an atheist that admits that
atheism is a religion.
Yes it is always so claimed, very few atheists [I do not know of one] will so
claim. we simply reject gods and all the silly beliefs that go with them
Mr. Fields is mistaken. Atheism is that which
is practiced by atheists. Not all atheists are into reality, not all
atheists are into freedom, etc. If it is practiced religiously, then
it is a religion.
Wrong it is a rejection of such practices because they are considered banal
The belief itself is not a religion. Antitheism is
a religion. An antitheist is a religious person while an atheist may
not be.
OK if it makes you feel better. I simply reject the existence of all gods then
'not collecting postage stamps' is a hobby
Apparently, you think your religion is better than the Christian
fundamentalist version.
I do not have one. Religions in part do a lot of good when it comes to charity.
But humans are charitable anyway and without religion they would still help
mankind. Religions also do a lot of harm and they do it in the name of their god -
this i object to
They think their form of religion is superior
to yours.
you mean Hindu v Christian. yes it happens
Neither of you can prove your religion superior to the other
except by how you live your life. It is the product of a person's
life that proves it value.
Whose life bears the most positive results; your's or Carl's.
not an issue. the issue is whether there are gods or not.
I agree
with you that Carl, does not manifest the love of God as he is
supposed to and that he does say a lot of foolish things. But, that
is what his religion teaches him. Apparently your religion teaches
you to be intolerant of people like Carl. Where is the "reality",
"the reason", "the freedom" in that behavior that makes it superior
to Carl's behavior?
I DO NOT HAVE A RELIGION. I REJECTED MINE AT AROUND AGE 24
You gave Carl an open door with your earlier question which he could
have used to find some common ground with you. Then he gave you an
open door through which you could have entered and changed his diaper.
It seems to me that antitheists who think themselves intellectuals
would have reasonable polite responses ready so that when an
opportunity like this one occurs, they would be ready to respond.
Whether a fundamentalist evangelist or an antitheist evangelist; a man
should have an answer ready for just about any circumstance.
I trust I have lived up to being an intelligent atheist.
What troubles you most about us of course is we use logic and common sense; two
concepts that sit most uncomfortably whern dealing with religious dogmas
Bob
Bob,
Last things first. Nothing "troubles" me about atheists. An atheist
is simply someone that does not believe in gods; including the God
that I believe in. Many atheists are truth seekers and skeptics like
myself that demand evidence. I believe in God and I believe those
things about God that I have learned to be true. I do not believe
most of the religious propaganda about God promoted by those who make
a living selling their versions of God.
We agree on this then, except the three words above 'to be true'
Atheists often behave better than some Christians if for no other
reason than that their minds are not corrupted with wrong doctrines.
It is unlikely that most atheists will wage wars against people in the
name of a god. Atheists and Christians are people who act just like
people. The real difference between an atheist and a "Christian" is
one thing; spirit by which the Christian has the potential to manifest
the love of God. Unfortunately, many Christians confuse natural human
love with spiritual love of God.
I have never had 'spirit' defined for me as yet in a way that I can accept
Spirit whether God or angel is not composed of any form of matter.
Confirmed
No
atoms, no molecules, etc. as we know them via the senses.
Right
God is not
a white haired old man sitting on a gold throne.
Not at all
Natural attributes
ascribed to God are always Anthromorphic figures of speech.
right
God has
not hands, feet, mouth, eyes, or human brain and does not think,
experience human emotions such as wrath, cannot see, say or do as men
do.
Wrong. 'He' was supposed to have created us in '
His' own image !
Spirit refers to that which is invisible to humans.
Obviously
The gift of
God which is holy spirit is the invisible life put in humans that will
replace natural life called the soul.
Now you are going to have to define 'soul' as well
Spirit and soul are not
synonymous except that spirit is often used in the figurative sense
via Synecdoche for the psychology of man.
no doubt
The love of God is based on
what is right and just for the recipient and has nothing to do with
human emotions.
not acceptable. It is mythology
Agape is spiritual love while phileo is natural love.
The problem is that religious people often try to masquerade natural
love as spiritual love; or erotic love for spiritual love. Genesis
defines spirit as an invisble | | | | | | | | | |
