"ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@MYOB.com> wrote in message
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True "love" needs no money - fool!

Is that what you tell your girlfriend? I bet you are not married.

Dear Christopher and Azaliah,
Come now guys. You know better than that.
Perhaps you can come up with a more scientific arguement.
Calling someone a liar is not science.

They're rationalising to try and fit the bible to the current state of
knowledge. But even then they have nothing. He has rationalised the
big bang as "let there be light", and persuaded himself that this is
what the bible is describing.

No. You apparently misunderstood.
Genesis says "In the beginning....". What could be simpler?
That's what the Big Bang theory says too - NOW - thousands of years after
the Bible said it.
It's interesting to me that you say I am "fitting the Bible to the current
state of knowledge."

Isn't that what scientists do?

be bent by the sun's gravity. He wrote it down in the book.

time, science believed gravity and light were totally independent.

Scientists did not believe what Einstein said.

disprove him as just being nutty.

actually did observe light being bent by the sun.

conclusion? Einstein was given credibility. Were the scientists
"rationalizing to fit their observations to Einstein's writings?" No,
they
had to accept that Einstein had it right.

How does my post differ? Someone (Moses) wrote in a book,

Science said the book was wrong.

they said the universe had existed forever.

different. But, when the scientists finally had the tools to check, they
discovered there was a "beginning". Their experiments with visual and
physical evidence affirmed the Bible. So, now it's time to give the
author
who predicted the "beginning" credibility.

But, you refuse to do that. Interesting. Pretty unscientific of you.

Then you say, it's possible the Big Bang theory is wrong!
But, as for now, science says time and space had a beginning.
If you disagree with the science of our day, give your arguements.

The Bible goes further. It says "God created the heavens and the earth".
That also matches what science believes. It was all created in the big
bang. The earth was not formed. Big Bang again agrees with what the
Bible
says. Then Genesis says "let there be light". Science agrees this is the
proper sequence.

OK. What am I lying about?

I have never read about any scientist who disagrees with this.

Instead of saying I am a liar, perhaps you could give me a reference?

Sincerely,
Bob








"rjbjr" <rjburnsjr@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Dear James,
It's interesting how your Big Bang arguement gets dismissed by

Christopher.

And why is it Christopher has such a need to call you a liar and an
idiot.
Says a lot about his objectivity.
Seems like so many of these atheists need anger management training.

The Big Bang theory is science verifying what the Bible predicted

thousands

of years before telescopes. What was once considered just a fable

(Genesis

1) is now accepted by virtually every scientist today. 50 years ago,
this
guy would have gone along with the science of the day that thought time

and

space were eternal and infinite. Even believers rejected Genesis 1 as

being

the literal truth. Everyone now knows the Bible was correct.

Christopher still won't believe, even as science continues to converge to
the Biblical account. Wonder what he'll say when he learns that
evolution
is not "an observed fact".

Sincerely,
Bob


"jemsohara" <jemsohara@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Bill M wrote:

I am challenging all religious believers to supply OBJECTIVE

VERIFIABLE

EVIDENCE
that their God actually exists. If you live your life based on your

God

belief you should be
able to supply this evidence.

The Big Bang, what caused it? If it has a cause what caused that? and
So On to the first cause which is God.

Design, evolution is a theory which is in fact in trouble this leaves
Design as the best possibility, Design implies a Designer.

James

Dear Christopher and Azaliah,
Come now guys. You know better than that.
Perhaps you can come up with a more scientific arguement.
Calling someone a liar is not science.

They're rationalising to try and fit the bible to the current state of
knowledge. But even then they have nothing. He has rationalised the
big bang as "let there be light", and persuaded himself that this is
what the bible is describing.

No. You apparently misunderstood.
Genesis says "In the beginning....". What could be simpler?

Dear Christopher and Azaliah,
Come now guys. You know better than that.
Perhaps you can come up with a more scientific arguement.
Calling someone a liar is not science.

They're rationalising to try and fit the bible to the current state of
knowledge. But even then they have nothing. He has rationalised the
big bang as "let there be light", and persuaded himself that this is
what the bible is describing.

No. You apparently misunderstood.
Genesis says "In the beginning....". What could be simpler?

That's what the Big Bang theory says too - NOW - thousands of years after
the Bible said it.

It's interesting to me that you say I am "fitting the Bible to the current
state of knowledge."

Isn't that what scientists do? Think about Einstein. He said light would
be bent by the sun's gravity. He wrote it down in the book. Up to that
time, science believed gravity and light were totally independent.
Scientists did not believe what Einstein said. They probably wanted to
disprove him as just being nutty. But when they did their experiments they
actually did observe light being bent by the sun. The scientific
conclusion? Einstein was given credibility. Were the scientists
"rationalizing to fit their observations to Einstein's writings?" No, they
had to accept that Einstein had it right.

How does my post differ? Someone (Moses) wrote in a book, like Einstein.
Science said the book was wrong. Science said time had no beginning and
they said the universe had existed forever. The Bible said something
different. But, when the scientists finally had the tools to check, they
discovered there was a "beginning". Their experiments with visual and
physical evidence affirmed the Bible. So, now it's time to give the author
who predicted the "beginning" credibility.

But, you refuse to do that. Interesting. Pretty unscientific of you.

Then you say, it's possible the Big Bang theory is wrong!
But, as for now, science says time and space had a beginning.

If you disagree with the science of our day, give your arguements.

The Bible goes further. It says "God created the heavens and the earth".

That also matches what science believes. It was all created in the big

bang. The earth was not formed. Big Bang again agrees with what the Bible
says. Then Genesis says "let there be light". Science agrees this is the
proper sequence.

OK. What am I lying about?

I have never read about any scientist who disagrees with this.

Instead of saying I am a liar, perhaps you could give me a reference?

Sincerely,

Bob








"rjbjr" <rjburnsjr@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:E_Kdnfto9fAUNtnYnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@comcast.com...

Dear James,
It's interesting how your Big Bang arguement gets dismissed by

Christopher.

And why is it Christopher has such a need to call you a liar and an idiot.
Says a lot about his objectivity.
Seems like so many of these atheists need anger management training.

The Big Bang theory is science verifying what the Bible predicted

thousands

of years before telescopes. What was once considered just a fable

(Genesis

1) is now accepted by virtually every scientist today. 50 years ago, this
guy would have gone along with the science of the day that thought time

and

space were eternal and infinite. Even believers rejected Genesis 1 as

being

the literal truth. Everyone now knows the Bible was correct.

Christopher still won't believe, even as science continues to converge to
the Biblical account. Wonder what he'll say when he learns that evolution
is not "an observed fact".

Sincerely,
Bob


"jemsohara" <jemsohara@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162047848.085622.306450@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Bill M wrote:

I am challenging all religious believers to supply OBJECTIVE

VERIFIABLE

EVIDENCE
that their God actually exists. If you live your life based on your

God

belief you should be
able to supply this evidence.

The Big Bang, what caused it? If it has a cause what caused that? and
So On to the first cause which is God.

Design, evolution is a theory which is in fact in trouble this leaves
Design as the best possibility, Design implies a Designer.

James

Dear Christopher and Azaliah,
Come now guys. You know better than that.
Perhaps you can come up with a more scientific arguement.
Calling someone a liar is not science.

They're rationalising to try and fit the bible to the current state of
knowledge. But even then they have nothing. He has rationalised the
big bang as "let there be light", and persuaded himself that this is
what the bible is describing.

No. You apparently misunderstood.
Genesis says "In the beginning....". What could be simpler?
That's what the Big Bang theory says too - NOW - thousands of years after
the Bible said it.
It's interesting to me that you say I am "fitting the Bible to the current
state of knowledge."

Isn't that what scientists do?

Think about Einstein. He said light would
be bent by the sun's gravity. He wrote it down in the book. Up to that
time, science believed gravity and light were totally independent.
Scientists did not believe what Einstein said. They probably wanted to
disprove him as just being nutty. But when they did their experiments they
actually did observe light being bent by the sun. The scientific
conclusion? Einstein was given credibility. Were the scientists
"rationalizing to fit their observations to Einstein's writings?" No, they
had to accept that Einstein had it right.