Yes, everyone should "fear" God. You don't understand what that really
means so you'll twist that to mean something that it doesn't I'm sure.

No, I do not need to "google" for the truth because I already know the
truth.

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:26:13 GMT, "G-Net" <netnerve@verizon.net>
wrote:

"JEM" <A0054883@airmail.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:52:27 -0500, "Samuel W. Heywood"
<sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote:

On Sun, 29 Oct 2006, JEM wrote:

<snip>

There are lots of beliefs that do not harm others, abrahamic religion
is not among those.

If one belongs to a religion of the Abrahamic faith traditions and he
practices it according to its *legitimate* teachings he will do no
harm to others.

Sam Heywood
-- Message handled by Pine, Version 4.62

I appreciate your sentiment, but I can only agree with you if the
nasty half of their texts are purged.
Their books do have a lot of evil things, like stoning people for
stuff we all(all modern rational people anyway) think is
insignificant, or not worthy of a death sentence or even punishment.
If by legitimate you mean the positive things, then that's cool.
The muslims and their beheadings and honor killing and all that *****,
they are just more faithful to their dogma than christians, but they
have many similar stupidities.

If you think that the Bible says that we are to stone anyone, behead them,
OR punish them in anyway, then you are incorrect.

Exodus Chapter 21, verse 20:
If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave
dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be
punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is
his property.

Exodus Chapter 21, verse 32:
If the bull gores a male or female slave, the owner must pay
thirty shekels of silver to the master of the slave, and the bull must
be stoned.

1 Corinthians chapter 14:
As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain
silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in
submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something,
they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for
a woman to speak in the church.

1 Corinthians 11 :
But I want you to understand that the head of every man is
Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is
God. Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors
his head, but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled
dishonors her head--it is the same as if her head were shaven. For if
a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but
if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a
veil. For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and
glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. (For man was not made
from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but
woman for man.) That is why a woman ought to have a veil on her head,
because of the angels.

1 Timothy chapter 2:
Also that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in
seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly
attire but by good deeds, as befits women who profess religion. Let a
woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to
teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent.

In Deuteronomy 22:28-29 :
"If a man meets a virgin who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies
with her, and they are caught in the act, the man who lay with her
shall give fifty shekels of silver to the young woman's father, and
she shall become his wife. Because he violated her he shall not be
permitted to divorce her as long as he lives."

In Numbers 31:14-18:
"Moses was angry with the officers of the army-the commanders of
thousands and commanders of hundreds-who returned from the battle.
"Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. "They were
the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning
the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a
plague struck the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys. And kill every
woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who
has never slept with a man."

book of Matthew, chapter 2:
And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with
Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had
opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and
frankincense and myrrh. And being warned of God in a dream that they
should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country
another way. And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the
Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young
child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I
bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and
departed into Egypt: And was there until the death of Herod: that it
might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet,
saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son. Then Herod, when he saw
that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent
forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all
the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the
time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men. Then was
fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, In Rama
was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning,
Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because
they are not.

Exodus chapter 12 verse 28:
So the people of Israel did just as the LORD had commanded through
Moses and Aaron. And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn
sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat
on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon.
Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his
officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and
loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a
single house where someone had not died.

Isaiah chapter 13:
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little
children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes
will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I
will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or
gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young
people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and
will show no compassion for the children.

Jeremiah chapter 49, verse 20:
Therefore hear the plan which the LORD has made against Edom and the
purposes which he has formed against the inhabitants of Teman: Even
the little ones of the flock shall be dragged away; surely their fold
shall be appalled at their fate. At the sound of their fall the earth
shall tremble; the sound of their cry shall be heard at the Red Sea.

Hosea chapter 13:
Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her
God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed
in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.

Numbers chapter 31
Moses said to them, "Have you let all the women live? Behold, these
caused the people of Israel, by the counsel of Balaam, to act
treacherously against the LORD in the matter of Pe'or, and so the
plague came among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore, kill
every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known
man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man
by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

Deuteronomy Chapter 3:
Next we turned and went up along the road toward Bashan, and Og king
of Bashan with his whole army marched out to meet us in battle at
Edrei. The LORD said to me, "Do not be afraid of him, for I have
handed him over to you with his whole army and his land. Do to him
what you did to Sihon king of the Amorites, who reigned in Heshbon."
So the LORD our God also gave into our hands Og king of Bashan and all
his army. We struck them down, leaving no survivors. At that time we
took all his cities. There was not one of the sixty cities that we did
not take from them-the whole region of Argob, Og's kingdom in Bashan.
All these cities were fortified with high walls and with gates and
bars, and there were also a great many unwalled villages. We
completely destroyed them, as we had done with Sihon king of Heshbon,
destroying every city-men, women and children. But all the livestock
and the plunder from their cities we carried off for ourselves.

Judges Chapter 4
But Jael, Heber's wife, picked up a tent peg and a hammer and
went quietly to him while he lay fast asleep, exhausted. She drove the
peg through his temple into the ground, and he died.

Genesis Chapter 38
Then Judah said to Onan, "Lie with your brother's wife and
fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for
your brother." But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so
whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the
ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did
was wicked in the Lord 's sight; so he put him to death also.

Judges Chapter 3
Ehud then approached him [the fat king] while he was sitting
alone in the upper room of his summer palace and said, "I have a
message from God for you." As the king rose from his seat, Ehud
reached with his left hand, drew the sword from his right thigh and
plunged it into the king's belly. Even the handle sank in after the
blade, which came out his back. Ehud did not pull the sword out, and
the fat closed in over it. Then Ehud went out to the porch; he shut
the doors of the upper room behind him and locked them.

Judges Chapter 19
But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his
concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused
her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the
woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down
at the door and lay there until daylight.
When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the
house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine,
fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold.
He said to her, "Get up; let's go." But there was no answer. Then the
man put her on his donkey and set out for home.

When he reached home, he took a knife and cut up his concubine,
limb by limb, into twelve parts and sent them into all the areas of
Israel. Everyone who saw it said, "Such a thing has never been seen or
done, not since the day the Israelites came up out of Egypt. Think
about it! Consider it! Tell us what to do!"

Joshua Chapter 10
When they had brought these kings to Joshua, he summoned all the
men of Israel and said to the army commanders who had come with him,
"Come here and put your feet on the necks of these kings." So they
came forward and placed their feet on their necks.

Joshua said to them, "Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged.
Be strong and courageous. This is what the Lord will do to all the
enemies you are going to fight." Then Joshua struck and killed the
kings and hung them on five trees, and they were left hanging on the
trees until evening.

Numbers Chapter 31
Moses was angry with the officers of the army-the commanders of
thousands and commanders of hundreds-who returned from the battle.
"Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. "They were
the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning
the Israelites away from the Lord in what happened at Peor, so that a
plague struck the Lord 's people. Now kill all the boys. And kill
every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every
girl who has never slept with a man."

Deuteronomy Chapter 25
If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to
rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes
him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no
pity.

Leviticus 21:17:
Say to Aaron, None of your descendants throughout their
generations who has a blemish may approach to offer the bread of his
God. For no one who has a blemish shall draw near, a man blind or
lame, or one who has a mutilated face or a limb too long, or a man who
has an injured foot or an injured hand, or a hunchback, or a dwarf, or
a man with a defect in his sight or an itching disease or scabs or
crushed testicles; no man of the descendants of Aaron the priest who
has a blemish shall come near to offer the LORD's offerings by fire;
since he has a blemish, he shall not come near to offer the bread of
his God. He may eat the bread of his God, both of the most holy and of
the holy things, but he shall not come near the veil or approach the
altar, because he has a blemish, that he may not profane my
sanctuaries; for I am the LORD who sanctify them.

These are from your beloved bible. Had enough? I can find more, but I
don't think your addled brain will grow with a hundred examples like
this.
Just for fun lets summarize.
Treating women in a humiliating fashion is ok.
Slavery is ok.
Human life is 30 shekels.
Rape is ok.
Killing babies and kids is ok.
Killing women is ok.
Killing anyone that offends you or god is ok.
Discriminating against birth defects, handicapped and blemished people
is ok.
Here is one my top ten faves....

Deuteronomy Chapter 21:18, the Bible says:

If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his
father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline
him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the
elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, "This
son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a
profligate and a drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone
him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will
hear of it and be afraid.

So it's ok to stone your own son to death because he's lazy and
drinks.

Have I obliterated the ***** out of your first sentence well enough?

Have you actually read your bible with open eyes?

Have you actually thought this book through?

Can you seriously believe that this twisted piece of work could
possibly be the word of god? If you believe that, then read the thng
and ask yourself if you could knowingly follow this perverse being?

Next you can start researching how this book was actually put
together. When were certain parts were written, which parts were
altered, which parts were mistranslated, who wrote what.
Read about how the fabulous early christians mastered the art of
wiping out entire villages, killing and suppressing anything that
intellectually competed.
They musta killed a lot of people because they did not exactly have a
well written bokk, a good story, or a whits worth in it anywhere.
There had to be a lot of better philosophies that didn't survive those
murderous bastards.

That is apart from the fact that the bible is chocked full of
irrelevant babble.
It's myth from 20 and 30 centuries ago.
As for a historical record, it's the most ***** ever put in one
book. The worst part is that people take is seriously as a record, and
as a guide.

So read it, go get a slave, beat it up but just enough not to kill
him, don't pay more than 30 shekels for a human, after all the
permanent word of god is law so there is no inflation.
Good luck finding a bank to tell you what 30 shekels is worth by the
way.
You can treat your wife like *****, no problem god will still love you,
you're the man!

Hey, if you got enemies, make sure to kill all the babies and
children, and all the women that have had sex, kill them too, and keep
the virgins for yourself, you know what to do with a virgin don't you?
Ya that's right, you know, you're the man.
If your concubine ain't what she should be, remember, 12 pieces is the
right way to dice her up. Spread her around real good.

Are you getting any of this?

Who needs random voices in their head to tell them to do all this
*****, you got it straight from god.

Secondly, jesus was a spiritual being, not flesh at all for over a hundred
years
after he supposedly died. Spirit. Did you know there were guys named
jesus then like there are guys named joe now? They couldn't even pick
a unique name for him.

If some of those people that wrote this thing could see you now, they
would be so proud.

First they wrote a death for him, sprinkle in a ressurrection, ya like
that old myth umm, no matter they forget that old stuff we'll add a
spicy last 3 years of his life, and oh, next lets write a great birth
scene. I want it in a cozy inn, no better yet a MANGER,make it a
virgin birth, no sex that's just dirty this guy is special. ya ya ya
just like the other myths, but we will present this with swords drawn
they will love it! ya, talk about humble beginnings who wouldn't love
that baby, have some magical guests show up, hmmm, guided by a star
that's the ticket.... where should this happen... um, lets pretend
nazarite, nazarootie, oh what's that new town.... nazareth that's it.
Don't worry nobody will check that it didn't exist 100 years ago, they
haven't invented good civic record keeping yet, nobody will spot this
stuff.

I don't hate the bible or you, I wonder why you believe this tripe and
walk away.

But I'm looking over my shoulder in case you try to smite me, I don't
wanna be smote.

Go preach to someone who is gullible enough to take it in and not
smack you for it.

I really hope you can't find anybody. To believe you I mean.

Unbelievers try to justify their obvious hatred for God and "religion"
under the guise that Christianity breeds violence, bigotry, etc.
There is absolutely no truth in that whatsoever.
While Icannot say that there may not have been people who attempted
to justify their sin by claiming that God supposedly told them, it's a lie
from the start.
Things may have been different before Jesus came, but they certainly
changed after. This was one of the reasons that Jesus came in the first
place,
to end the old covenant, the old law, the old ways and replace them with
the
new covenant. Mankind didn't handle the old covenant very well and I'm
afraid he's not doing very well with the new covenant either.

People who lack any sort of biblical knowledge always zero in on the old
testament and talk about all of the supposed "atrocities" that exist
there.
They use the old testament as a basis for their religious bigotry. What
they
forget about is that the old testament is NOT a rule book and in many
cases is there only for historical record. We are not under the law
anymore
and haven't been under the law for over 2000 years. We are under the new
covenant.