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"Richard Dawkins" |
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11 Mar 2006 03:28:06 PM |
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The God-Haters: Why? |
As early as the days of the sweet psalmist David, who was also a prophet,
the last days of this tumultuous earth were foreseen, and the final rage
against the God of creation. In the words of Psalm 2, the picture is vividly
displayed:
Psalms 2:1-12 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together,
against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands
asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens
shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto
them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set my
king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath
said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and
I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts
of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron;
thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now
therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the LORD
with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and
ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are
all they that put their trust in him.
Not in my lifetime have I seen the United States of America in such disarray
about what was taken for granted for almost 200 years: that while America
was not a "Christian nation" by any law, it was founded by settlers who were
Christians indeed, and as a nation the "founding fathers" were deists,
theists and Christians who all shared a common respect for the tenets of
Christianity and the Ten Commandments. Those Commandments, the Bible in
which they are contained, the cross of Christ that has become symbolic of
the Christian faith, the right to free exercise by Christians of their
faith, are all under attack by liberals, Marxists, adherents to the New
World Order, God-haters of various stripes, Druids, Wiccans, and any number
of other pagans who want Christianity eradicated.
However, these same God-haters want the blessings God bestowed on America,
and you cannot have both!
This nation in its Christian-based kindness to those who have suffered
religious persecution (even between those of different Christian
denominations) established two things in the First Amendment: 1) that
Congress could make no law regarding an establishment of religion (a state
church) and 2) that the government could not prohibit the free exercise of
anyone's faith - Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, and whatever other
religion or lack of it any individual wished to exercise.
Those days are gone, and America's citizens are rapidly proving that
Christianity, real Bible Christianity, is no longer the faith of the
majority in this nation. Far from it, true Christians are apparently a small
minority if one judges by what they allow in the way of desecration of
Christian artifacts up to and including the Holy Bible and the Ten
Commandments (which are contained in the Jewish Torah or Greek Pentateuch,
the first five books of Moses).
The pattern of the Bible, Old and New Testaments, is that it is the remnant
that shall be saved. After all, only eight persons survived the Flood of
Noah's day, and only three generations later apostasy had taken hold once
more to produce Babylonian/Sumerian false religion.
Most people hate God. They are enemies of God.
Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not
subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
The "carnal mind" is what we are born with in our sin nature, and it is a
slave of sin and the flesh, the enemy of all things truly godly until it has
been regenerated by a new, spiritual birth. What evidence is there of this?
How about the first chapter of Romans:
Romans 1:20-31 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the
world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even
his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because
that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were
thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was
darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed
the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible
man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God
also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to
dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the
creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this
cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change
the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the
men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward
another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in
themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they
did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a
reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled
with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness,
maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil
things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers,
without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
What a vivid description of today's society as contrasted with the news of
forty years ago! These "progressive" thinkers who wish to throw God out of
our nation and still keep the nation have a surprise in store ... when the
people reject God, He not only withdraws His blessings, but His protection.
You just cannot hate God and have His blessings.
Our founding fathers knew this and I will quote from some of them:
And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed
their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these
liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with
his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just:
that his justice cannot sleep for ever (Thomas Jefferson, Writings [New
York, New York: Literary Classics of the United States, Inc., 1984], p. 289)
"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this; it connected in one
indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of
Christianity." -John Quincy Adams
John Adams declared, "Our constitution was made only for a moral and
religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other."
Obviously, "any other" is what constitutes the majority of Americans today,
especially in the federal judiciary from the federal district court all the
way to the Supreme Court. This has been the case since 1962 when Justice
Hugo Black wrote the majority opinion in the case of Engle v. Vitale.
There is nothing in the Constitution that says we must remain a moral and
virtuous people. However, the Constitution is being twisted as savagely as
the Christian underpinnings of our nation and the practice of the Christian
faith in public today. It has even become the opinion of many that the
symbol of the cross should be removed from churches, private property,
because their display is offensive.
Why the God-haters? Because for all their education, they have no spiritual
life in them. They hate any rules not of their own making, not open to their
own ideas of right and wrong, accepting of their perversions, open to any
evil device without consequences, and demanding their obedience to a higher
and absolute standard.
They will have none of that. But the law of cause and effect is as permanent
as the law of gravity. No God? Then no blessing, no safety, no standards,
and eventually chaos. It is a self-destruct mechanism that never fails to
detonate.
Do I believe in a state church? No. I would agree with the founders that
there must be freedom from state controlled religion and state-imposed
church membership. I absolutely agree with the establishment clause but
unlike our God-haters and liberal judiciary, I believe solidly in "no law
respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibit the free exercise
thereof."
The problem, however, has to be tossed right back at the churches. Had they
rallied to the cause of their rights to the free exercise of their faith,
they would have begun to fight back in 1962, when this nation still held
SOME moral standards. Now it has next to none.
Aside from abandoning God, the nation has engaged in entangling alliances,
debt to the extent of bankruptcy (both financial and moral), erratic
behavior such as protecting the children from smoke but not from NAMBLA and
the teachings of sexual perversion in schools. If one says "smoke is
harmful" then I must remind them that AIDS is not healthy either. Nor are
recreational drugs. Nor is promiscuous sex whether heterosexual, homosexual
or bisexual.
It is incredible to believe that there are so many God-haters in a nation
that has been so blessed by God. Once we relished in singing "God Bless
America." Frankly I cannot sing that song now, not because I do not love
America but because I hate what it is becoming and the sole blessing God
could bestow on it is revival.
But if this is indeed the harvest time, then it is only the gleanings that
will be preserved, because the remainder of the world is reserved for fire
in the time of the great judgment.
God's elect are His, and have been since before the foundation of the world,
and that will endure forever.
To the remainder .. the ungodly ... remember at the final judgment that you
are standing before the One you hated, and expect full justice.
Dorothy Anne Seese, (friends call her "Dottie") lives in Sun City, Arizona.
She was born in Southern California and became a child actress for Columbia
Pictures at the age of 3-1/2, and has been working at something ever since.
When she was at UCLA in the mid-50's, she majored in political science and
worked on the UCLA Daily Bruin.
http://www.christianmusictv.com/id201.htm
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"Evolutionists are sadistic scientists who hurry to hunt down errors instead
of establishing the truth.~
~"If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that
it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and
therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never know it was dark. Dark
would be without meaning.~
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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| Title: Re: The God-Haters: Why? |
13 Mar 2006 08:45:27 AM |
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"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in
news:uhHQf.35$O76.993@news.uswest.net:
As early as the days of the sweet psalmist David, who was also a
prophet, the last days of this tumultuous earth were foreseen, and the
final rage against the God of creation. In the words of Psalm 2, the
picture is vividly displayed:
Psalms 2:1-12 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain
thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take
counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them
in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them
in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of
Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art
my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give
thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the
earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron;
thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now
therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve
the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he
be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a
little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
Not in my lifetime have I seen the United States of America in such
disarray about what was taken for granted for almost 200 years: that
while America was not a "Christian nation" by any law, it was founded
by settlers who were Christians indeed, and as a nation the "founding
fathers" were deists, theists and Christians who all shared a common
respect for the tenets of Christianity and the Ten Commandments. Those
Commandments, the Bible in which they are contained, the cross of
Christ that has become symbolic of the Christian faith, the right to
free exercise by Christians of their faith, are all under attack by
liberals, Marxists, adherents to the New World Order, God-haters of
various stripes, Druids, Wiccans, and any number of other pagans who
want Christianity eradicated. However, these same God-haters want the
blessings God bestowed on America, and you cannot have both!
You should do something about your own hatred for God. Why do you hate
Him so? I mean you continually bear false witness in His name, so please
don't tell me that you have any respect for the ten commandments. I mean
that's two of them, right there.
But then I guess each God-hater must do his own part in the eradication
of Christianity. Your trick is to work from within the churches and turn
them into a pack of latter-day Pharisees and hypocrites instead of actual
Christians. Maybe if you did something about THAT instead of worrying
about Marxists and Wiccans, you wouldn't find them so worrying.
Oh, and if you want God's blessings, then DESERVE them. You won't get
them by taking His name in vain.
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Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: The God-Haters: Why? |
15 Mar 2006 05:01:47 PM |
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"Dave Oldridge" <doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Xns978544B79E64Edoldridgsprintca@64.59.135.159...
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in
news:uhHQf.35$O76.993@news.uswest.net:
As early as the days of the sweet psalmist David, who was also a
prophet, the last days of this tumultuous earth were foreseen, and the
final rage against the God of creation. In the words of Psalm 2, the
picture is vividly displayed:
Psalms 2:1-12 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain
thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take
counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them
in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them
in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of
Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art
my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give
thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the
earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron;
thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now
therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve
the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he
be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a
little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
Not in my lifetime have I seen the United States of America in such
disarray about what was taken for granted for almost 200 years: that
while America was not a "Christian nation" by any law,
Where did you get that? The American Supreme Court declared in 18?? :
"This is a Christian Nation". That decision has never been rescinded.
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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15 Mar 2006 08:20:35 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in
news:4418b140$0$9162$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com:
"Dave Oldridge" <doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Xns978544B79E64Edoldridgsprintca@64.59.135.159...
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in
news:uhHQf.35$O76.993@news.uswest.net:
As early as the days of the sweet psalmist David, who was also a
prophet, the last days of this tumultuous earth were foreseen, and
the final rage against the God of creation. In the words of Psalm 2,
the picture is vividly displayed:
Psalms 2:1-12 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain
thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take
counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed,
saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords
from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall
have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath,
and vex them in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my
holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said
unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me,
and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the
uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break
them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a
potter's vessel. Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed,
ye judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with
trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the
way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they
that put their trust in him.
Not in my lifetime have I seen the United States of America in such
disarray about what was taken for granted for almost 200 years: that
while America was not a "Christian nation" by any law,
Where did you get that? The American Supreme Court declared in
18?? :
"This is a Christian Nation". That decision has never been rescinded.
It will take more than a supreme court ruling to wholesale turn Americans
into Christians.
BTW, I did not write the above.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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| Title: Re: The God-Haters: Why? |
16 Mar 2006 06:51:30 PM |
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:01:47 +0800, in alt.talk.creationism
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in
<4418b140$0$9162$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com>:
"Dave Oldridge" <doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Xns978544B79E64Edoldridgsprintca@64.59.135.159...
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in
news:uhHQf.35$O76.993@news.uswest.net:
As early as the days of the sweet psalmist David, who was also a
prophet, the last days of this tumultuous earth were foreseen, and the
final rage against the God of creation. In the words of Psalm 2, the
picture is vividly displayed:
Psalms 2:1-12 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain
thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take
counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them
in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them
in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of
Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art
my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give
thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the
earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron;
thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now
therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve
the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he
be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a
little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
Not in my lifetime have I seen the United States of America in such
disarray about what was taken for granted for almost 200 years: that
while America was not a "Christian nation" by any law,
Where did you get that? The American Supreme Court declared in 18?? :
"This is a Christian Nation". That decision has never been rescinded.
When you come up with an actual citation, we can look at the context of
this statement.
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| User: "Richard Dawkins" |
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| Title: Re: The God-Haters: Why? |
16 Mar 2006 09:25:38 PM |
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"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:cv1k129q2usanlj192d45ulsktju8ivmaq@4ax.com...
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:01:47 +0800, in alt.talk.creationism
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in
<4418b140$0$9162$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com>:
"Dave Oldridge" <doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Xns978544B79E64Edoldridgsprintca@64.59.135.159...
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in
news:uhHQf.35$O76.993@news.uswest.net:
As early as the days of the sweet psalmist David, who was also a
prophet, the last days of this tumultuous earth were foreseen, and the
final rage against the God of creation. In the words of Psalm 2, the
picture is vividly displayed:
Psalms 2:1-12 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain
thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take
counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them
in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them
in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of
Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art
my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give
thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the
earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron;
thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now
therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve
the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he
be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a
little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
Not in my lifetime have I seen the United States of America in such
disarray about what was taken for granted for almost 200 years: that
while America was not a "Christian nation" by any law,
Where did you get that? The American Supreme Court declared in 18?? :
"This is a Christian Nation". That decision has never been rescinded.
When you come up with an actual citation, we can look at the context of
this statement.
When you have something non-dunce worthyto say, maybe we will steal a
glance.
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| User: "Tom" |
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| Title: Re: The God-Haters: Why? |
17 Mar 2006 04:22:49 PM |
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"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in message
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"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:cv1k129q2usanlj192d45ulsktju8ivmaq@4ax.com...
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:01:47 +0800, in alt.talk.creationism
"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in
<4418b140$0$9162$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com>:
"Dave Oldridge" <doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Xns978544B79E64Edoldridgsprintca@64.59.135.159...
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in
news:uhHQf.35$O76.993@news.uswest.net:
As early as the days of the sweet psalmist David, who was also a
prophet, the last days of this tumultuous earth were foreseen, and the
final rage against the God of creation. In the words of Psalm 2, the
picture is vividly displayed:
Psalms 2:1-12 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain
thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take
counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them
in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them
in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of
Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art
my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give
thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the
earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron;
thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now
therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve
the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he
be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a
little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
Not in my lifetime have I seen the United States of America in such
disarray about what was taken for granted for almost 200 years: that
while America was not a "Christian nation" by any law,
Where did you get that? The American Supreme Court declared in 18?? :
"This is a Christian Nation". That decision has never been rescinded.
When you come up with an actual citation, we can look at the context of
this statement.
When you have something non-dunce worthyto say, maybe we will steal a
glance.
Notice, no citation.
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| User: "dragomir kollaric" |
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13 Mar 2006 11:09:21 AM |
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On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 14:28:06 -0700, Richard Dawkins wrote:
As early as the days of the sweet psalmist David,
1 Samuel 18
7 And the women answered one another as they played, and said, Saul hath
slain his thousands, and David his ten thousands.
Looks to me this "Sweet" Guy was a bit too "bloodthirsty" but hey if
he did it in the "name" of God, then it's alright?
<SNIP>
Dragomir Kollaric
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Strange it works but we don't know why:
it's Windows it does not have bugs only features;
the _most_ often _heard_ lie of the 20th. century,
will it _continue_ in the third Millennium?
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: The God-Haters: Why? |
22 Aug 2006 05:18:14 PM |
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To His followers, "They who hate you, hate me" "They who hate me, hate my
Father (God) who sent me"
Therefore Christians, correctly in accordance with our scriptures, see your
hate of (attacks against) us, as hate against God.
Just thought I would let you know why you are so accused.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
"Mr Baggins" <rob_murfin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Once more dorky takes the bait......
You're just another God-Hating Howler monkey with nothing to say :0)
I don't believe in santa, but that don't mean I'm a elf-hater
I don't believe in Star Wars, but thabt don't mean I hate Han Solo
You seem to want to give your made up diety some weight by repeatedly
saying we hate him. Sorry, it don't make him any more real.
All of the fairy tale elements of the hundreds of faiths are not worth
arguing about. They are all silly. However, the anti democratic, anti
truth, anti eductaion taliban poison you and your creationist chums
peddle IS worth arguing about.
I guess you will only reply to this one with a version of the "god
hating *****" line. Sigh.
Rob
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| User: "Andrew W" |
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23 Aug 2006 04:34:11 PM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:12en02ghvpduef0@corp.supernews.com...
To His followers, "They who hate you, hate me" "They who hate me, hate my
Father (God) who sent me"
Therefore Christians, correctly in accordance with our scriptures, see
your hate of (attacks against) us, as hate against God.
Just thought I would let you know why you are so accused.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
Except for the fact that you are following a false story book god, in which
case the hatred is well placed.
But of course we don't hate anyone in reality (except in your dark little
fear based mind), we just like to have fun with your gullibility.
--
Andrew W.
A god who requires bloodshed in order to forgive is an evil god.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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To His followers, "They who hate you, hate me" "They who hate me, hate my
Father (God) who sent me"
Therefore Christians, correctly in accordance with our scriptures, see
your hate of (attacks against) us, as hate against God.
Just thought I would let you know why you are so accused.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
Many don't make a distinction between those who merely don't believe and
thus reject their beliefs and those who attack them because they are
Christians. They see the rejection as the same as an attack. In their world
if you are an unbeliever you somehow hate god and nothing could be further
from the truth. If Christians would learn to temper their histrionics they
might find themselves having an honest discussions over their differences. A
little bit of respect for other beliefs might go a long way as well. Most
unbelievers just don't care what religion someone else is and see the over
reaction as looking for a fight when no fight is around.
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24 Aug 2006 01:21:56 AM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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To His followers, "They who hate you, hate me" "They who hate me, hate my
Father (God) who sent me"
Therefore Christians, correctly in accordance with our scriptures, see
your hate of (attacks against) us, as hate against God.
Correctly?
So you assume that only your religion's scriptures can be the truth?
How arrogant.
Just thought I would let you know why you are so accused.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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Andrew W.
A god who requires bloodshed in order to forgive is an evil god.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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23 Aug 2006 06:31:10 PM |
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
To His followers, "They who hate you, hate me" "They who hate me, hate my
Father (God) who sent me"
Therefore Christians, correctly in accordance with our scriptures, see your
hate of (attacks against) us, as hate against God.
Just thought I would let you know why you are so accused.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
You see attacks against you coming from everywhere, yet you have no
compunction about attacking Judaism (the religion) with your specious,
hateful claims to be religiously Jewish.
Clean up your own act before attempting to claim even the moral middle
ground.
"Mr Baggins" <rob_murfin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Once more dorky takes the bait......
You're just another God-Hating Howler monkey with nothing to say :0)
I don't believe in santa, but that don't mean I'm a elf-hater
I don't believe in Star Wars, but thabt don't mean I hate Han Solo
You seem to want to give your made up diety some weight by repeatedly
saying we hate him. Sorry, it don't make him any more real.
All of the fairy tale elements of the hundreds of faiths are not worth
arguing about. They are all silly. However, the anti democratic, anti
truth, anti eductaion taliban poison you and your creationist chums
peddle IS worth arguing about.
I guess you will only reply to this one with a version of the "god
hating *****" line. Sigh.
Rob
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25 Aug 2006 08:03:02 PM |
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
To His followers, "They who hate you, hate me" "They who hate me, hate my
Father (God) who sent me"
Therefore Christians, correctly in accordance with our scriptures, see
your hate of (attacks against) us, as hate against God. Just thought I
would let you know why you are so accused.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
You see attacks against you coming from everywhere, yet you have no
compunction about attacking Judaism (the religion)
Please quote me, attacking Judaism.
with your specious, hateful claims to be religiously Jewish.
No where have I claimed to be "religiously Jewish", I have *only* claimed to
be Jewish, as well as being a Christian, something you insist to be
something *other than what it is*.
Clean up your own act before attempting to claim even the moral middle
ground.
There is nothing about my act, which needs cleaned up.
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25 Aug 2006 08:22:56 PM |
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
To His followers, "They who hate you, hate me" "They who hate me, hate my
Father (God) who sent me"
Therefore Christians, correctly in accordance with our scriptures, see
your hate of (attacks against) us, as hate against God. Just thought I
would let you know why you are so accused.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
You see attacks against you coming from everywhere, yet you have no
compunction about attacking Judaism (the religion)
Please quote me, attacking Judaism.
You attack Judaism by claiming be religiously Jewish when you are
obviously a Christian.
with your specious, hateful claims to be religiously Jewish.
No where have I claimed to be "religiously Jewish", I have *only* claimed to
be Jewish, as well as being a Christian, something you insist to be
something *other than what it is*.
Clean up your own act before attempting to claim even the moral middle
ground.
There is nothing about my act, which needs cleaned up.
<snipped, old stuff>
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01 Sep 2006 09:59:32 AM |
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
To His followers, "They who hate you, hate me" "They who hate me, hate
my Father (God) who sent me"
Therefore Christians, correctly in accordance with our scriptures, see
your hate of (attacks against) us, as hate against God. Just thought I
would let you know why you are so accused.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
You see attacks against you coming from everywhere, yet you have no
compunction about attacking Judaism (the religion)
Please quote me, attacking Judaism.
You attack Judaism by claiming be religiously Jewish
Never made that claim, although you tried to put those words into my mouth
many times.
when you are obviously a Christian.
I sure am, I am a Christian Jew, and no, saying that I am a Christian Jew is
*not* saying that I am religiously-Jewish in any way shape or form.
with your specious, hateful claims to be religiously Jewish.
No where have I claimed to be "religiously Jewish", I have *only* claimed
to be Jewish, as well as being a Christian, something you insist to be
something *other than what it is*.
Clean up your own act before attempting to claim even the moral middle
ground.
There is nothing about my act, which needs cleaned up.
<snipped, old stuff>
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01 Sep 2006 11:10:53 AM |
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
To His followers, "They who hate you, hate me" "They who hate me, hate
my Father (God) who sent me"
Therefore Christians, correctly in accordance with our scriptures, see
your hate of (attacks against) us, as hate against God. Just thought I
would let you know why you are so accused.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
You see attacks against you coming from everywhere, yet you have no
compunction about attacking Judaism (the religion)
Please quote me, attacking Judaism.
You attack Judaism by claiming be religiously Jewish
Never made that claim, although you tried to put those words into my mouth
many times.
You claim to be a "Christian Jew." That is an impossible thing. You were
apparently born of a Jewish mother, which makes you Jewish by birth. And
of course you have every right to say that you were born Jewish. But you
repudiated any claim to religious Judaism and the moral right to be
claim to be religiously Jewish. By claiming to be a "Christian Jew" you
misrepresent my religion, and spreads the lie that one can be both.
You claim to be a "Christian Jew" makes you a counterfeit, just like the
"Gucci" purses sold on Manhattan street corners by oily types with lots
of rings. Don't do this, Glenn, its immoral.
I sure am, I am a Christian Jew, and no, saying that I am a Christian Jew is
*not* saying that I am religiously-Jewish in any way shape or form.
But it can, and does, confuse the ignorant. I've seen this, and had to
correct the misperceptions that had been given them.
Be a Christian, Glenn, one who was born Jewish, but who has gone on to
something else.
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07 Sep 2006 09:19:40 PM |
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"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
<snip>
You attack Judaism by claiming be religiously Jewish
Never made that claim, although you tried to put those words into my
mouth many times.
You claim to be a "Christian Jew."
Because I am
That is an impossible thing.
Obviously, it isn't impossible.
You were apparently born of a Jewish mother, which makes you Jewish by
birth.
I was born in the USA too, which makes me American by birth, *and* an
American regardless of my religion !
And of course you have every right to say that you were born Jewish.
I also have the right to say that I am a Jew.
But you repudiated any claim to religious Judaism
People can see it that way, others don't we await Our Messiah, I found Him.
and the moral right to be claim to be religiously Jewish.
Never happened, I have never repudiated my moral right to claim to be
Jewish, especially on human say so. Our God still sees me as a Jew in
accordance with Christian texts.
Paul (who wrote most of the New Testament), for an example continued to call
himself a Jew to the end of his life. As a Christian-Jew, I will continue to
do the same.
By claiming to be a "Christian Jew" you misrepresent my religion,
I don't misrepresent "your" religion. Every one knows the differance between
Judaism, and Christian Jews.
You just hate Jewish Christians, and don't want them claiming to be what
they are.
Vera's entry into the thread made it *very clear* that your claims are
false, there doesn't exist any confusion, nor is Judaism misrepresented, or
slandered in any way, except in your mind.
and spreads the lie that one can be both.
I can, and I am.
You claim to be a "Christian Jew" makes you a counterfeit,
Wrong, it makes me what I am, nothing more, and nothing less.
just like the "Gucci" purses sold on Manhattan street corners by oily
types with lots of rings. Don't do this, Glenn, its immoral.
Let God be the judge, you don't qualify.
I sure am, I am a Christian Jew, and no, saying that I am a Christian Jew
is *not* saying that I am religiously-Jewish in any way shape or form.
But it can, and does,
Only in your mind, no one else in these threads suffers from your confusion.
confuse the ignorant.
It appears to only confuse you.
I've seen this, and had to correct the misperceptions that had been given
them.
Be a Christian, Glenn, one who was born Jewish, but who has gone on to
something else.
Never ceased to be a Jew, regardless of your assertions.
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25 Aug 2006 08:46:54 PM |
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
To His followers, "They who hate you, hate me" "They who hate me, hate my
Father (God) who sent me"
Therefore Christians, correctly in accordance with our scriptures, see
your hate of (attacks against) us, as hate against God. Just thought I
would let you know why you are so accused.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
You see attacks against you coming from everywhere, yet you have no
compunction about attacking Judaism (the religion)
Please quote me, attacking Judaism.
You attack it by claiming to be religiously Jewish.
with your specious, hateful claims to be religiously Jewish.
No where have I claimed to be "religiously Jewish", I have *only* claimed to
be Jewish, as well as being a Christian, something you insist to be
something *other than what it is*.
You are Jewish by birth perhaps. But representing yourself as Jewish in
any other than being born Jewish is a lie, a slander, and an attack on
Judaism.
Clean up your own act before attempting to claim even the moral middle
ground.
There is nothing about my act, which needs cleaned up.
Arrogance is not a Christian virtue. You are acting hateful without
admitting it.
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01 Sep 2006 10:09:44 AM |
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"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
news:2z5Hg.12420$kO3.10476@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
To His followers, "They who hate you, hate me" "They who hate me, hate
my Father (God) who sent me"
Therefore Christians, correctly in accordance with our scriptures, see
your hate of (attacks against) us, as hate against God. Just thought I
would let you know why you are so accused.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
You see attacks against you coming from everywhere, yet you have no
compunction about attacking Judaism (the religion)
Please quote me, attacking Judaism.
You attack it by claiming to be religiously Jewish.
Again, I have made no such claim, so your accusation is totally meaningless.
with your specious, hateful claims to be religiously Jewish.
No where have I claimed to be "religiously Jewish", I have *only* claimed
to be Jewish, as well as being a Christian, something you insist to be
something *other than what it is*.
You are Jewish by birth perhaps.
Yes, I *am* Jewish by birth, and nothing changes this.
But representing yourself as Jewish in any other than being born Jewish is
a lie,
See above. I have not lied.
a slander, and an attack on Judaism.
My being a Jewish-Christian is *not* an attack on Judaism.
Clean up your own act before attempting to claim even the moral middle
ground.
There is nothing about my act, which needs cleaned up.
Arrogance is not a Christian virtue.
Being honest with yourself, and others with a clear conscience is a
Christian virtue, as is not yielding to false accusations against you.
You are acting hateful
Look in the mirror, think about what you are doing, and saying to me.
without admitting it.
Again, look in the mirror. Your views, and arrogance against us, are very
hateful toward Christian-Jews, are you even aware of this ?
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01 Sep 2006 11:15:41 AM |
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
news:2z5Hg.12420$kO3.10476@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
To His followers, "They who hate you, hate me" "They who hate me, hate
my Father (God) who sent me"
Therefore Christians, correctly in accordance with our scriptures, see
your hate of (attacks against) us, as hate against God. Just thought I
would let you know why you are so accused.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
You see attacks against you coming from everywhere, yet you have no
compunction about attacking Judaism (the religion)
Please quote me, attacking Judaism.
You attack it by claiming to be religiously Jewish.
Again, I have made no such claim, so your accusation is totally meaningless.
By conflating your Jewish birth with your Christian belief you spread
confusion among the ignorant, who then innocently believe that one can
be both.
with your specious, hateful claims to be religiously Jewish.
No where have I claimed to be "religiously Jewish", I have *only* claimed
to be Jewish, as well as being a Christian, something you insist to be
something *other than what it is*.
You are Jewish by birth perhaps.
Yes, I *am* Jewish by birth, and nothing changes this.
Right. Leave that where it belongs, in your past.
But representing yourself as Jewish in any other than being born Jewish is
a lie,
See above. I have not lied.
a slander, and an attack on Judaism.
My being a Jewish-Christian is *not* an attack on Judaism.
Your being born Jewish and converting is not an attack on Judaism. But
your conflating the two is.
Clean up your own act before attempting to claim even the moral middle
ground.
There is nothing about my act, which needs cleaned up.
Arrogance is not a Christian virtue.
Being honest with yourself, and others with a clear conscience is a
Christian virtue, as is not yielding to false accusations against you.
If would be a different matter were they false.
You are acting hateful
Look in the mirror, think about what you are doing, and saying to me.
I regret the necessity.
without admitting it.
Again, look in the mirror. Your views, and arrogance against us, are very
hateful toward Christian-Jews, are you even aware of this ?
I can understand where you would be offended. What you say hurts me as
well. That is your problem. I am more concerned with making others
understand what you really are than with your feelings.
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07 Sep 2006 07:56:00 PM |
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"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
<snip>
You attack it by claiming to be religiously Jewish.
Again, I have made no such claim, so your accusation is totally
meaningless.
By conflating your Jewish birth with your Christian belief you spread
confusion among the ignorant,
You seem to be the only one confused.
who then innocently believe that one can be both.
One can be. Just as I am a Christian-Jew. Just like many are
Christian-Americans, or Christian-Germans, or...
How does this relate to your false claim that I have claimed to be
"religiously Jewish" ?
with your specious, hateful claims to be religiously Jewish.
No where have I claimed to be "religiously Jewish", I have *only*
claimed to be Jewish, as well as being a Christian, something you
insist to be something *other than what it is*.
You are Jewish by birth perhaps.
Yes, I *am* Jewish by birth, and nothing changes this.
Right. Leave that where it belongs, in your past.
I remain Jewish, my bloodline hasn't changed.
But representing yourself as Jewish in any other than being born Jewish
is a lie,
See above. I have not lied.
a slander, and an attack on Judaism.
My being a Jewish-Christian is *not* an attack on Judaism.
Your being born Jewish and converting is not an attack on Judaism.
I was born Jewish, I remain Jewish, and my converting to Christianity is not
an attack on Judaism.
But your conflating the two is.
USA is seen as a *Christain Nation*, but when a US citizen converts to
another faith (let's say Moslem), he or she remains a US citizen, not only
that becoming Moslem in no way conflates Islam with Christianity just
because this US citizen became a Moslem.
Again, Judaism = religion
Jew = a blood-line (same as American, German, and etc)
<snip>
Look in the mirror, think about what you are doing, and saying to me.
I regret the necessity.
There was no necessity.
without admitting it.
Again, look in the mirror. Your views, and arrogance against us, are very
hateful toward Christian-Jews, are you even aware of this ?
I can understand where you would be offended. What you say hurts me as
well. That is your problem. I am more concerned with making others
understand what you really are than with your feelings.
Others know what I am, you are the one confused.
I thought you said that you were no longer going to respond to my posts.
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01 Sep 2006 06:32:53 PM |
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In news:N0ZJg.318$MF1.23@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net,
cactus <bm1@nonespam.com> typed:
Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
news:2z5Hg.12420$kO3.10476@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
To His followers, "They who hate you, hate me" "They who hate
me, hate my Father (God) who sent me"
Therefore Christians, correctly in accordance with our
scriptures, see your hate of (attacks against) us, as hate
against God. Just thought I would let you know why you are so
accused. Glenn (Christian Mystic)
You see attacks against you coming from everywhere, yet you have
no compunction about attacking Judaism (the religion)
Please quote me, attacking Judaism.
You attack it by claiming to be religiously Jewish.
Again, I have made no such claim, so your accusation is totally
meaningless.
By conflating your Jewish birth with your Christian belief you spread
confusion among the ignorant, who then innocently believe that one can
be both.
Why should he not be both? Jesus was a Jew...
And I would also like to know who you are... Are you a Christian?
[snip]
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01 Sep 2006 07:32:22 PM |
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::: veralein ::: wrote:
In news:N0ZJg.318$MF1.23@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net,
cactus <bm1@nonespam.com> typed:
Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
news:iKNHg.91$6R7.75@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com...
Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
news:2z5Hg.12420$kO3.10476@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
To His followers, "They who hate you, hate me" "They who hate
me, hate my Father (God) who sent me"
Therefore Christians, correctly in accordance with our
scriptures, see your hate of (attacks against) us, as hate
against God. Just thought I would let you know why you are so
accused. Glenn (Christian Mystic)
You see attacks against you coming from everywhere, yet you have
no compunction about attacking Judaism (the religion)
Please quote me, attacking Judaism.
You attack it by claiming to be religiously Jewish.
Again, I have made no such claim, so your accusation is totally
meaningless.
By conflating your Jewish birth with your Christian belief you spread
confusion among the ignorant, who then innocently believe that one can
be both.
Why should he not be both? Jesus was a Jew...
This is the sort of confusion that people like Glenn seek to exploit.
Jesus of Nazareth, like Glenn, was born Jewish. But both of them did
things publicly that violated Halacha (Jewish Law). There are many lists
of what Jesus did to repudiate his Judaism. Glenn's case is much simpler
- he publicly violates the Second Commandment every time he prays to or
through Jesus.
Now, please don't misunderstand, there is nothing inherently wrong with
what either of them did. Everyone has a right to the faith of their
choice. People have the right to change religions as well. None of those
is the issue for me.
What does anger me, even inspires fear in me, is Glenn's willingness to
claim that he is Jewish. He was apparently born of a Jewish mother,
which would mean he would be Jewish if he did not repudiate the
religion. But he did that, yet he claims that he can be both Jewish and
Christian. No matter how he denies claiming to be Jewish, that's what he
does, and he thus sows the seeds of confusion. By doing so he willingly
allows people to believe that one can be Jewish and still pray to Jesus
of Nazareth. That is an outright lie, and he misrepresents himself and
slanders Judaism every time he does it. I just don't let him weasel out
of it.
HTH.
And I would also like to know who you are... Are you a Christian?
No, I am Jewish. The real thing, the genuine article. My mother is
Jewish and I have done nothing to publicly repudiate my religion.
[snip]
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| Title: Re: The God-Haters: Why? |
07 Sep 2006 08:21:12 PM |
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"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
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::: veralein ::: wrote:
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cactus <bm1@nonespam.com> typed:
Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
<snip>
You attack it by claiming to be religiously Jewish.
Again, I have made no such claim, so your accusation is totally
meaningless.
By conflating your Jewish birth with your Christian belief you spread
confusion among the ignorant, who then innocently believe that one can
be both.
Why should he not be both? Jesus was a Jew...
This is the sort of confusion that people like Glenn seek to exploit.
Vera, don't let Cactus' confusing blood-line with religion confuse you. The
"religious Jews" (meaning they of Judaism) try to do the impossible, that is
to purge us from our heritage (something only God can do) because we have
'left' (in their opinion) Judaism ! Ignoring the Messiahic prophecies.
Jesus of Nazareth, like Glenn, was born Jewish. But both of them did
things publicly that violated Halacha (Jewish Law). There are many lists
of what Jesus did to repudiate his Judaism. Glenn's case is much simpler -
he publicly violates the Second Commandment every time he prays to or
through Jesus.
Confusing religion with blood-line doesn't work with we who know the
differance between the two.
Just like I, Jesus remained a Jew (as it is in His blood) !
Now, please don't misunderstand, there is nothing inherently wrong with
what either of them did. Everyone has a right to the faith of their
choice. People have the right to change religions as well. None of those
is the issue for me.
What does anger me, even inspires fear in me, is Glenn's willingness to
claim that he is Jewish.
I have no other choice, to claim otherwise would be to lie about what I am.
Whether or not my remaining true to who and what I am causes you "fear"
(which I find to be exteamly silly on your part) can't be helped.
He was apparently born of a Jewish mother, which would mean he would be
Jewish if he did not repudiate the religion.
So an American (recognized as being a Christian Nation) ceases to be an
American if he becomes a Moslem ? Such is non-sense to the inth degree, not
only that, it is extreamly *biased*
But he did that, yet he claims that he can be both Jewish and Christian.
Unless I give up being a Christian, I can't be anything else *but* a
Christian Jew.
No matter how he denies claiming to be Jewish,
Where have I denied being Jewish ?
that's what he does, and he thus sows the seeds of confusion.
You are the one confused.
By doing so he willingly allows people to believe that one can be Jewish
and still pray to Jesus of Nazareth.
We can, I pray through Jesus often.
That is an outright lie,
No, it isn't.
and he misrepresents himself and slanders Judaism every time he does it.
My being a Christian-Jew not only doesn't slander Judaism, it also has
*nothing* to do with Judaism...
Again
Judaism = religion
Jew = bloodline
One has *nothing* to do with the other, most of the world knows this... It
is only crackpots like yourself who have problems with it.
I just don't let him weasel out of it.
There is nothing for me to "weasel out of"
HTH.
And I would also like to know who you are... Are you a Christian?
No, I am Jewish. The real thing, the genuine article. My mother is Jewish
and I have done nothing to publicly repudiate my religion.
Only Christians can be Americans, dontcha know :-)
[snip]
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| User: "Jani" |
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| Title: Re: The God-Haters: Why? |
08 Sep 2006 03:14:24 AM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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::: veralein ::: wrote:
In news:N0ZJg.318$MF1.23@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net,
cactus <bm1@nonespam.com> typed:
Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
<snip>
You attack it by claiming to be religiously Jewish.
Again, I have made no such claim, so your accusation is totally
meaningless.
By conflating your Jewish birth with your Christian belief you spread
confusion among the ignorant, who then innocently believe that one can
be both.
Why should he not be both? Jesus was a Jew...
This is the sort of confusion that people like Glenn seek to exploit.
Vera, don't let Cactus' confusing blood-line with religion confuse you.
The "religious Jews" (meaning they of Judaism) try to do the impossible,
that is to purge us from our heritage (something only God can do) because
we have 'left' (in their opinion) Judaism ! Ignoring the Messiahic
prophecies.
Jesus of Nazareth, like Glenn, was born Jewish. But both of them did
things publicly that violated Halacha (Jewish Law). There are many lists
of what Jesus did to repudiate his Judaism. Glenn's case is much
simpler - he publicly violates the Second Commandment every time he prays
to or through Jesus.
Confusing religion with blood-line doesn't work with we who know the
differance between the two.
Just like I, Jesus remained a Jew (as it is in His blood) !
Now, please don't misunderstand, there is nothing inherently wrong with
what either of them did. Everyone has a right to the faith of their
choice. People have the right to change religions as well. None of those
is the issue for me.
What does anger me, even inspires fear in me, is Glenn's willingness to
claim that he is Jewish.
I have no other choice, to claim otherwise would be to lie about what I
am. Whether or not my remaining true to who and what I am causes you
"fear" (which I find to be exteamly silly on your part) can't be helped.
He was apparently born of a Jewish mother, which would mean he would be
Jewish if he did not repudiate the religion.
So an American (recognized as being a Christian Nation) ceases to be an
American if he becomes a Moslem ? Such is non-sense to the inth degree,
not only that, it is extreamly *biased*
In the first place, America is not a "Christian nation". In the second,
being "American" is a matter of nationality; one can have twenty generations
of Chinese or Italian or Scottish heritage, and still become "American"
through a comparatively brief bureaucratic process.
But he did that, yet he claims that he can be both Jewish and Christian.
Unless I give up being a Christian, I can't be anything else *but* a
Christian Jew.
No matter how he denies claiming to be Jewish,
Where have I denied being Jewish ?
There is a significant difference between "denies claiming to be Jewish" and
"denies being Jewish".
that's what he does, and he thus sows the seeds of confusion.
You are the one confused.
By doing so he willingly allows people to believe that one can be Jewish
and still pray to Jesus of Nazareth.
We can, I pray through Jesus often.
That is an outright lie,
No, it isn't.
and he misrepresents himself and slanders Judaism every time he does it.
My being a Christian-Jew not only doesn't slander Judaism, it also has
*nothing* to do with Judaism...
Again
Judaism = religion
Jew = bloodline
One has *nothing* to do with the other, most of the world knows this... It
is only crackpots like yourself who have problems with it.
Because "Jewish" is a complex descriptor most often understood to mean
culture, heritage *and* religious praxis, "most of the world" does not
separate out the various elements and *does* assume that the one has
everything to do with the other.
Cactus is right, you are taking advantage of the confusion to present
yourself as a "Christian Jew", when there ain't no such animal. And you're
now muddying the waters further by associating nationality with religion.
You can have an American Muslim, or a English Christian, or a Spanish
Wiccan, because American, English and Spanish are not and have never been
*religious* descriptors. The same cannot be said for "Jewish", and you're
well aware of this.
Jani
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: The God-Haters: Why? |
17 Sep 2006 02:00:53 PM |
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"Jani" <jani@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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::: veralein ::: wrote:
In news:N0ZJg.318$MF1.23@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net,
cactus <bm1@nonespam.com> typed:
Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
<snip>
I have no other choice, to claim otherwise would be to lie about what I
am. Whether or not my remaining true to who and what I am causes you
"fear" (which I find to be exteamly silly on your part) can't be helped.
He was apparently born of a Jewish mother, which would mean he would be
Jewish if he did not repudiate the religion.
So an American (recognized as being a Christian Nation) ceases to be an
American if he becomes a Moslem ? Such is non-sense to the inth degree,
not only that, it is extreamly *biased*
In the first place, America is not a "Christian nation".
In truth, you are correct, but it is so recognized as such.
In the second, being "American" is a matter of nationality; one can have
twenty generations of Chinese or Italian or Scottish heritage, and still
become "American" through a comparatively brief bureaucratic process.
They can also retain their heritage for generations after this process.
But he did that, yet he claims that he can be both Jewish and Christian.
Unless I give up being a Christian, I can't be anything else *but* a
Christian Jew.
No matter how he denies claiming to be Jewish,
Where have I denied being Jewish ?
There is a significant difference between "denies claiming to be Jewish"
and "denies being Jewish".
Indeed.
<snip>
and he misrepresents himself and slanders Judaism every time he does it.
My being a Christian-Jew not only doesn't slander Judaism, it also has
*nothing* to do with Judaism...
Again
Judaism = religion
Jew = bloodline
One has *nothing* to do with the other, most of the world knows this...
It is only crackpots like yourself who have problems with it.
Because "Jewish" is a complex descriptor most often understood to mean
culture, heritage *and* religious praxis, "most of the world" does not
separate out the various elements and *does* assume that the one has
everything to do with the other.
Same when they hear someone is an American, they assume them to be
Christians.
Cactus is right, you are taking advantage of the confusion to present
yourself as a "Christian Jew", when there ain't no such animal.
We Christian Jews beg to differ. We actually exist, and rarely, if ever meet
anyone confused by the term/
And you're now muddying the waters further by associating nationality with
religion.
Take some time reading the OT
You can have an American Muslim, or a English Christian, or a Spanish
Wiccan, because American, English and Spanish are not and have never been
*religious* descriptors. The same cannot be said for "Jewish", and you're
well aware of this.
I am aware of what, and who I am.
Jani
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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| User: "cactus" |
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| Title: Re: The God-Haters: Why? |
17 Sep 2006 06:10:57 PM |
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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::: veralein ::: wrote:
In news:N0ZJg.318$MF1.23@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net,
cactus <bm1@nonespam.com> typed:
Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
"cactus" <bm1@nonespam.com> wrote in message
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
<snip>
I have no other choice, to claim otherwise would be to lie about what I
am. Whether or not my remaining true to who and what I am causes you
"fear" (which I find to be exteamly silly on your part) can't be helped.
He was apparently born of a Jewish mother, which would mean he would be
Jewish if he did not repudiate the religion.
So an American (recognized as being a Christian Nation) ceases to be an
American if he becomes a Moslem ? Such is non-sense to the inth degree,
not only that, it is extreamly *biased*
In the first place, America is not a "Christian nation".
In truth, you are correct, but it is so recognized as such.
It is "recognized as such" by Christian triumphalists who allow no room
for other faiths.
In the second, being "American" is a matter of nationality; one can have
twenty generations of Chinese or Italian or Scottish heritage, and still
become "American" through a comparatively brief bureaucratic process.
They can also retain their heritage for generations after this process.
But he did that, yet he claims that he can be both Jewish and Christian.
Unless I give up being a Christian, I can't be anything else *but* a
Christian Jew.
No matter how he denies claiming to be Jewish,
Where have I denied being Jewish ?
There is a significant difference between "denies claiming to be Jewish"
and "denies being Jewish".
Indeed.
<snip>
and he misrepresents himself and slanders Judaism every time he does it.
My being a Christian-Jew not only doesn't slander Judaism, it also has
*nothing* to do with Judaism...
Again
Judaism = religion
Jew = bloodline
One has *nothing* to do with the other, most of the world knows this...
It is only crackpots like yourself who have problems with it.
Because "Jewish" is a complex descriptor most often understood to mean
culture, heritage *and* religious praxis, "most of the world" does not
separate out the various elements and *does* assume that the one has
everything to do with the other.
Same when they hear someone is an American, they assume them to be
Christians.
Just as when they encounter an African-American under the age of 30 they
assume they are gangsters. Just as when they encounter an Asian-American
of any age they assume that they are college educated.
Cactus is right, you are taking advantage of the confusion to present
yourself as a "Christian Jew", when there ain't no such animal.
We Christian Jews beg to differ. We actually exist, and rarely, if ever meet
anyone confused by the term/
You have a biased sample. I've had to clean up after your messes.
And you're now muddying the waters further by associating nationality with
religion.
Take some time reading the OT
?
You can have an American Muslim, or a English Christian, or a Spanish
Wiccan, because American, English and Spanish are not and have never been
*religious* descriptors. The same cannot be said for "Jewish", and you're
well aware of this.
I am aware of what, and who I am.
You are a Christan of Jewish by birth. Which is fine, especially
regarding the Arkansas rule.
Jani
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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