On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:13:18 +1100, "Andrew W"
<removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:29:22 +1100, "Andrew W"
<removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote:

[snip]

Sorry, but you try to debate truth of God, when you're following
anything but truth where He is concerned. You follow the cult of
a woman in 1960 who claims to have talked with Jesus Christ, who
conveniently rejects the Bible of 3,500 years, and instead offers
a new cultish course in miracles people can buy. This cultish
'course in miracles' has long been refuted. You are of course
free to follow whatever religion anyone sells you, as is your
right, but please realize this newsgroup is about the truth of
God and Jesus Christ.

Please read one of the numerous refutations of this cult online:
http://www.watchman.org/na/corseim.htm

This newsgroup is for those who want to discuss the truth of God,
the truth of the Word of God. It is not a place for your
proselytizing in the name of this non-Christian cult.

Thank you.

Gabriel.

You are trying to criticise something you don't understand.

I understand perfectly well your religion is founded by a woman
who claims to have spoken directly to Jesus Christ in 1960 and
now sells it to anyone else who buys her claim (with money, no
less). Anyone looking to make a buck can do the exact same thing,
claim to have spoken to Jesus Christ, make another dishonest
version of what God is all about, and there will always be people
that reject the truth of God who will grab on to what they say as
it lets them reject God while fooling themselves (and hopefully
others to go along with them) into thinking they're actually
following God. Dangerous ground to be on, and I hope you one day
see past this to the real truth of God.

Matthew 7:22-23 KJVR
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? and
in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you:
depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Problem is /anyone/ can claim to have spoken with Jesus Christ,
and write their own Bible any way they see fit into a version
that a certain person is now more comfortable with as it will let
them continue in some forms of selfish sin against God, and pass

it off as "metaphysics and spirituality that people do not
understand".

People have been doing exactly that for thousands of
years, more so since Christ lived among us. What this woman has
done is hardly original. How do you sift through the thousands of
such attempts and pick the one out of all of them you believe to
be the correct one? By your personal opinion.

2 Timothy 4:2-4 KJVR
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season;
reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound
doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves
teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and
shall be turned unto fables.

Try instead following God's Word,

and the teachings of Jesus
Christ who even supported the very same Word of God, instead of
some woman who was hearing voices.

And what does their only follower do?

Come here and personally
attack Christians by comparing them to "fleas on a dog, immature,
blind, arrogant, self-righteous",

and that's just for starters in
the past post or two from you. You've been insulting people for
the time I've been in here about a year. Why the insults, anger
and hate? Your unfortunate fruits of insults, anger and hate tell
us much about you and your home-made religion, and alone are
enough to show that you are not of God, that you do not yet have
the truth or love of God in your heart.

Matthew 7:15-23 KJVR
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's
clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes
of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a
corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a
corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn
down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall
enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of
my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? and
in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you:
depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Those from the website you mentioned don't know any more about metaphysics
and spirituality than you do because your religion has frightened you all
into wearing blinders.

This shows how you do not understand, or that you're being less
than honest. Children of God have nothing to fear from God. We
know we are going to heaven, as we've repented, and called on
Christ to save us from our sins. It's only those that reject God
and/or make up their own version of God that should be concerned
for what that's going to mean for them when their time here on
Earth is at an end.

The Christian religion is a fear and terror based religion/cult far more
than it is a love based one.

Why are you being less than honest? Since you're the one who's
always been making personal attacks since I've seen you on here,
and you continue to do so to this day.

Meanwhile you are again being less than honest: This is what the
Word of God says we are to do:

Matthew 22:35-39 KJVR
35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a
question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God
with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy
neighbor as thyself.

This is hardly the fear and terror you are trying to claim.

Fear erodes and eventually destroys love.
I hope that some day you will take your blinders off and seek the true
light.

I already have. I hope one day you seek out the truth of God's
Word from the Bible, and not a woman's version of her own bible,
where she claims to have spoken to Jesus Christ first-hand in the
1960's.

I hope one day you start following the commandments of God, and
start loving God with all your heart, rather than spend your time
attacking with insults those who do not agree with your opinion.

Re. what I'm doing in this newsgroup, if there are Christians in this
group
who are misleading society then I would be criminally negligent not to
speak
out against them.

So again you show how you were being less than honest. You point
the finger and accuse others of proselytizing, but now you admit
you're in here doing exactly that. If you cannot even see your
own behavior honestly, what chance have you got to see the truth
of God? I hope one day you take a closer look at your own
behavior and why it opposes the words you say.

Someone has to keep the Christians honest. Your God certainly doesn't. He
has never once rebuked a bad preacher. Explain why that is.

Listen to what you just said. You said /God/ has never once
rebuked a bad preacher. Not the pope, not the bishop, but God.
How is it you think you know /God/ never rejected such people?
That God will not reject such people? That's an amazingly bold
statement. And it's also not true: Here's a few verses from the
Word of God where it says exactly that, as we are warned to avoid
such false teachers:

Matthew 7:21-23 KJVR
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall
enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of
my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? and
in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you:
depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

All false preachers, teachers, and so on will be firmly rejected
by God if they don't come to the truth before their time here is
done.

And for the record, Catholicism is another false religion that
clearly contradicts the Word of God in many ways (which
unfortunately many of the people caught up in it are completely
unaware of, and are really trying to find God) in case you were
trying to make reference to that false religion and act like
that's the God many of us here praise.

You make it unfortunately clear you're going to continue to
personally attack people that disagree with you, and be less than

honest in the things you claim. In the name of Jesus Christ, I
must ask that you please stop teaching false things about God,

and please stop attacking others who are here because they know
the truth of God.

You are not interested in debate (and your
fruits clearly point this out), but rather in insulting anyone
that speaks the truth of God, and being less than honest in the
things you say. Your /behavior/ contradicts your words and shows
you're not interested in finding truth, but rather personally
attacking anyone that stands in the way of your opinion, and
being less than honest all the while. I hope you one day take a
closer look at your own behavior. You say you seek truth - then
start with your own behavior as it speaks a clear testimony that
you haven't found it yet.

Meanwhile, to others that get attacked by you, this post will
hopefully serve to show God is not a truth you're aware of yet;
not a truth you have in your heart yet. This can change! Repent
and call on Christ to save you and He will!

Gabriel