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"Tim Christensen" |
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29 Sep 2003 03:28:00 PM |
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The Gospel of John the Film |
I have seen this film, The Gospel of John, and believe that is a true
Cinematic masterpiece, depicting the Gospel and the life of Jesus. It
is a must see for any christian, and really put a fantastic visual
presence behind my favourite gospel. I saw it this weekend in Dallas
where it opened, and the theatre was packed. There was a real
emotional response at the end of the film, and I thought it was a
tremendous work of art.
The acting, direction and background were more real than any biblical
movie I have ever seen and i would recommend it to anyone who has
interest in the Gospels.
Best Regards,
Tim
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| User: "Uncle Rich" |
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| Title: Re: The Gospel of John the Film |
01 Oct 2003 09:35:30 PM |
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"Tim Christensen" <timchristensen99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I have seen this film, The Gospel of John, and believe that is a true
Cinematic masterpiece, depicting the Gospel and the life of Jesus. It
is a must see for any christian, and really put a fantastic visual
presence behind my favourite gospel. I saw it this weekend in Dallas
where it opened, and the theatre was packed. There was a real
emotional response at the end of the film, and I thought it was a
tremendous work of art.
The acting, direction and background were more real than any biblical
movie I have ever seen and i would recommend it to anyone who has
interest in the Gospels.
Best Regards,
Tim
Tim, how did this movie compare with the 1977 Franco Zeffirelli
"Jesus of Nazareth" movie starring Robert Powell as Jesus? This
one is my favorite movie about Jesus. I understand that "The
Gospel of John" is supposed to follow the actual text of this
Biblical book word-for-word. Is this true? Thanks.
-Richard
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| User: "Tim V." |
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| Title: Re: The Gospel of John the Film |
01 Oct 2003 02:48:28 PM |
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(Tim Christensen) wrote in
news:1d4cc191.0309291228.11ed0c4e@posting.google.com:
I have seen this film, The Gospel of John, and believe that is a true
Cinematic masterpiece, depicting the Gospel and the life of Jesus. It
is a must see for any christian, and really put a fantastic visual
presence behind my favourite gospel. I saw it this weekend in Dallas
where it opened, and the theatre was packed. There was a real
emotional response at the end of the film, and I thought it was a
tremendous work of art.
How accurate was it? It looks like a real good movie and I
can't wait to see it.
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Tim.
"Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither
liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Barry Worthington" |
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| Title: Re: The Gospel of John the Film |
30 Sep 2003 11:12:55 AM |
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(Tim Christensen) wrote in message news:<1d4cc191.0309291228.11ed0c4e@posting.google.com>...
I have seen this film, The Gospel of John, and believe that is a true
Cinematic masterpiece, depicting the Gospel and the life of Jesus. It
is a must see for any christian, and really put a fantastic visual
presence behind my favourite gospel. I saw it this weekend in Dallas
where it opened, and the theatre was packed. There was a real
emotional response at the end of the film, and I thought it was a
tremendous work of art.
The acting, direction and background were more real than any biblical
movie I have ever seen and i would recommend it to anyone who has
interest in the Gospels.
Best Regards,
Tim
What an odd choice! St.John's Gospel is the least 'narrative' of the
Gospels in the New Testament - since it is largely a discursive
theological work.(It is an attempt to conflate the theology of the
primitive church with Greek philosophy.) It's full of long passages of
exposition and 'signs and wonders' which are doctrinal metaphors.
So, unless you can find a way of rendering the concept of the 'divine
logos'in visual terms, I'm not rally sure what the director is trying
to do....
Can anyone who has seen this film indicate whether (and how) the
theological significance of Christ is portrayed? How, for example, is
the marriage at Cana of Galilee portrayed?
Dr. Barry Worthington
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| User: "The Posting One" |
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| Title: Re: The Gospel of John the Film |
29 Sep 2003 05:49:22 PM |
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Admit it, you just hate Jews.
"Tim Christensen" <timchristensen99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1d4cc191.0309291228.11ed0c4e@posting.google.com...
I have seen this film, The Gospel of John, and believe that is a true
Cinematic masterpiece, depicting the Gospel and the life of Jesus. It
is a must see for any christian, and really put a fantastic visual
presence behind my favourite gospel. I saw it this weekend in Dallas
where it opened, and the theatre was packed. There was a real
emotional response at the end of the film, and I thought it was a
tremendous work of art.
The acting, direction and background were more real than any biblical
movie I have ever seen and i would recommend it to anyone who has
interest in the Gospels.
Best Regards,
Tim
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| User: "Tim Christensen" |
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30 Sep 2003 11:57:23 AM |
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such a weak comment. why would i hate jews?
"The Posting One" <nowhere@somewhere.com> wrote in message news:<SF2eb.8876$Kq4.7955919@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
Admit it, you just hate Jews.
"Tim Christensen" <timchristensen99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1d4cc191.0309291228.11ed0c4e@posting.google.com...
I have seen this film, The Gospel of John, and believe that is a true
Cinematic masterpiece, depicting the Gospel and the life of Jesus. It
is a must see for any christian, and really put a fantastic visual
presence behind my favourite gospel. I saw it this weekend in Dallas
where it opened, and the theatre was packed. There was a real
emotional response at the end of the film, and I thought it was a
tremendous work of art.
The acting, direction and background were more real than any biblical
movie I have ever seen and i would recommend it to anyone who has
interest in the Gospels.
Best Regards,
Tim
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| User: "Caiaphas" |
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30 Sep 2003 04:31:11 PM |
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"Tim Christensen" <timchristensen99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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such a weak comment. why would i hate jews?
Most likely, he/she/it simply hates Gentiles and anything Gentile.
"The Posting One" <nowhere@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:<SF2eb.8876$Kq4.7955919@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
Admit it, you just hate Jews.
"Tim Christensen" <timchristensen99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1d4cc191.0309291228.11ed0c4e@posting.google.com...
I have seen this film, The Gospel of John, and believe that is a true
Cinematic masterpiece, depicting the Gospel and the life of Jesus. It
is a must see for any christian, and really put a fantastic visual
presence behind my favourite gospel. I saw it this weekend in Dallas
where it opened, and the theatre was packed. There was a real
emotional response at the end of the film, and I thought it was a
tremendous work of art.
The acting, direction and background were more real than any biblical
movie I have ever seen and i would recommend it to anyone who has
interest in the Gospels.
Best Regards,
Tim
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| User: "Uncle Rich" |
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02 Oct 2003 06:49:56 AM |
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"Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Tim Christensen" <timchristensen99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1d4cc191.0309300857.7a1cc36e@posting.google.com...
such a weak comment. why would i hate jews?
Most likely, he/she/it simply hates Gentiles and anything Gentile.
A lot of people seem to be missing the point about the death of
Jesus, as recorded in various books of the Bible. The "Christ" of
the Bible was not murdered specifically by Jews, Romans or any
one group but rather "by the sins of the world". The God of the
Bible, as "incarnated" in the body of "His Son" Jesus, freely and
deliberately gave His own life as a sacrifice which was part of
God's master plan from the "foundation of the world".
All this business of making the death of Jesus stories all about
hating the Jews, or hating the Romans is completely off the mark.
If anyone, or anything is to blame for the murder of Jesus, it is
the God of the Bible Himself, who created the concept of "sin"
in the first place as disobedience to His commands -- which in turn
He arbitrarily decided would require some kind of "blood sacrifice"
as an atonement for sin.
It wasn't the Jews or the Romans or anyone else who killed Jesus
Christ -- it was the God of the Bible Himself who did it, and who
should accept full responsibility for His own actions in this regard.
Blame should not be placed on any one individual or group of
people for the death of Jesus -- God alone who created the whole
sin/blood sacrifice/atonement/salvation scenario in the first place
is the ultimate source of blame. Those people who carried out the
death of Jesus were merely instruments of God's will -- chosen
by God to fulfill His own divine plan of salvation through the
death of His only begotten Son.
-Richard
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02 Oct 2003 11:21:04 AM |
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 11:49:56 GMT, "Uncle Rich" <uncle_rich@nospam.com>
wrote:
"Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ACmeb.1360$gf3.15968@eagle.america.net...
"Tim Christensen" <timchristensen99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1d4cc191.0309300857.7a1cc36e@posting.google.com...
such a weak comment. why would i hate jews?
Most likely, he/she/it simply hates Gentiles and anything Gentile.
A lot of people seem to be missing the point about the death of
Jesus, as recorded in various books of the Bible. The "Christ" of
the Bible was not murdered specifically by Jews, Romans or any
one group but rather "by the sins of the world". The God of the
Bible, as "incarnated" in the body of "His Son" Jesus, freely and
deliberately gave His own life as a sacrifice which was part of
God's master plan from the "foundation of the world".
All this business of making the death of Jesus stories all about
hating the Jews, or hating the Romans is completely off the mark.
If anyone, or anything is to blame for the murder of Jesus, it is
the God of the Bible Himself, who created the concept of "sin"
in the first place as disobedience to His commands -- which in turn
He arbitrarily decided would require some kind of "blood sacrifice"
as an atonement for sin.
It wasn't the Jews or the Romans or anyone else who killed Jesus
Christ -- it was the God of the Bible Himself who did it, and who
should accept full responsibility for His own actions in this regard.
Blame should not be placed on any one individual or group of
people for the death of Jesus -- God alone who created the whole
sin/blood sacrifice/atonement/salvation scenario in the first place
is the ultimate source of blame. Those people who carried out the
death of Jesus were merely instruments of God's will -- chosen
by God to fulfill His own divine plan of salvation through the
death of His only begotten Son.
-Richard
So does this mean all the people up to that point were saved or
everyone thereafter too? If so, do people now have carte blanc to
commit whatever sin they want and they are already absolved?
Sounds a bit wrong to me.
-Rich
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| User: "Uncle Rich" |
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02 Oct 2003 04:53:05 PM |
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[...]
It wasn't the Jews or the Romans or anyone else who killed Jesus
Christ -- it was the God of the Bible Himself who did it, and who
should accept full responsibility for His own actions in this regard.
Blame should not be placed on any one individual or group of
people for the death of Jesus -- God alone who created the whole
sin/blood sacrifice/atonement/salvation scenario in the first place
is the ultimate source of blame. Those people who carried out the
death of Jesus were merely instruments of God's will -- chosen
by God to fulfill His own divine plan of salvation through the
death of His only begotten Son.
-Richard
So does this mean all the people up to that point were saved or
everyone thereafter too? If so, do people now have carte blanc to
commit whatever sin they want and they are already absolved?
Sounds a bit wrong to me.
-Rich
It depends on how you interpret the Scriptures, Rich, and to which
denomination you belong. The Calvinists believe in "double-predestination",
or the doctrine that God chose some for heaven and all the rest are
condemned to hell before the foundation of the world. Others, who
interpret the Scriptures differently, believe in a kind of "universal
atonement" which means that everyone will be "saved". There
are in fact dozens, if not hundreds of different interpretations of the
Scriptures and devoted adherents of each one which believe strongly
that their one particular interpretation is correct while all the others
are wrong. There are many flavors of denominations to satisfy
just about any taste a believer might choose to adopt. That's the
nature of the beast.
-Richard
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| User: "Bob Brewer" |
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02 Oct 2003 11:08:31 AM |
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Uncle Rich wrote:
A lot of people seem to be missing the point about the death of
Jesus, as recorded in various books of the Bible. The "Christ" of
the Bible was not murdered specifically by Jews, Romans or any
one group but rather "by the sins of the world". The God of the
Bible, as "incarnated" in the body of "His Son" Jesus, freely and
deliberately gave His own life as a sacrifice which was part of
God's master plan from the "foundation of the world".
There is a lot of difficulties trying to see God and Jesus planning this
thing. Why don't we get back to the notion that the disciples
"interpreted" the death of Christ in the way recorded - Christ forsaw
apparently that his death was unavoidable and accepted it as means to
enlighten his followers. His surrender was an act of love, his
forgiveness was an act of grace. It is quite easy to see why this
interpretation became popular.
All this business of making the death of Jesus stories all about
hating the Jews, or hating the Romans is completely off the mark.
If anyone, or anything is to blame for the murder of Jesus, it is
the God of the Bible Himself, who created the concept of "sin"
in the first place as disobedience to His commands -- which in turn
He arbitrarily decided would require some kind of "blood sacrifice"
as an atonement for sin.
I don't think so - historically the Evangelists are responsible for the
terrible slaughter of uncountable Jews. They probably would turn in
their graves if they knew. But it is a fact that the texts which are
critical of the Jews were one-sided and historically incorrect - but it
was polemic and we can't change it.
It wasn't the Jews or the Romans or anyone else who killed Jesus
Christ -- it was the God of the Bible Himself who did it, and who
should accept full responsibility for His own actions in this regard.
Blame should not be placed on any one individual or group of
people for the death of Jesus -- God alone who created the whole
sin/blood sacrifice/atonement/salvation scenario in the first place
is the ultimate source of blame. Those people who carried out the
death of Jesus were merely instruments of God's will -- chosen
by God to fulfill His own divine plan of salvation through the
death of His only begotten Son.
If you want to see God in the dock, OK, but God's will, according to the
Bible, doesn't work that way. The people who do the crimes are
responsible themselves when God allows things to happen that we don't
approve of - he isn't to blame. He "allows" the wailing of mothers,
wives and children to accuse him - I have the vision of him crying along
with them - turning the tide of time towards eternal salvation.
Reagards
Bob Brewer
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| User: "Caiaphas" |
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02 Oct 2003 06:21:58 PM |
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"Bob Brewer" <bo@quiescence.de> wrote in message
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Uncle Rich wrote:
A lot of people seem to be missing the point about the death of
Jesus, as recorded in various books of the Bible. The "Christ" of
the Bible was not murdered specifically by Jews, Romans or any
one group but rather "by the sins of the world". The God of the
Bible, as "incarnated" in the body of "His Son" Jesus, freely and
deliberately gave His own life as a sacrifice which was part of
God's master plan from the "foundation of the world".
There is a lot of difficulties trying to see God and Jesus planning this
thing. Why don't we get back to the notion that the disciples
"interpreted" the death of Christ in the way recorded - Christ forsaw
apparently that his death was unavoidable and accepted it as means to
enlighten his followers. His surrender was an act of love, his
forgiveness was an act of grace. It is quite easy to see why this
interpretation became popular.
All this business of making the death of Jesus stories all about
hating the Jews, or hating the Romans is completely off the mark.
If anyone, or anything is to blame for the murder of Jesus, it is
the God of the Bible Himself, who created the concept of "sin"
in the first place as disobedience to His commands -- which in turn
He arbitrarily decided would require some kind of "blood sacrifice"
as an atonement for sin.
I don't think so - historically the Evangelists are responsible for the
terrible slaughter of uncountable Jews. They probably would turn in
their graves if they knew. But it is a fact that the texts which are
critical of the Jews were one-sided and historically incorrect - but it
was polemic and we can't change it.
You state that the Gospels are 'historically incorrect' -- what is your
understanding of the historical account?
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| User: "Caiaphas" |
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29 Sep 2003 08:30:35 PM |
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Can't wait to see it myself. When will it be nationally released?
"Tim Christensen" <timchristensen99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1d4cc191.0309291228.11ed0c4e@posting.google.com...
I have seen this film, The Gospel of John, and believe that is a true
Cinematic masterpiece, depicting the Gospel and the life of Jesus. It
is a must see for any christian, and really put a fantastic visual
presence behind my favourite gospel. I saw it this weekend in Dallas
where it opened, and the theatre was packed. There was a real
emotional response at the end of the film, and I thought it was a
tremendous work of art.
The acting, direction and background were more real than any biblical
movie I have ever seen and i would recommend it to anyone who has
interest in the Gospels.
Best Regards,
Tim
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| User: "Calvin Rice" |
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30 Sep 2003 07:38:36 AM |
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It will be interesting to compare these two movies and see which one -actually-
shows more of the Jews' responsibility for the death of Jesus, and which one
-actually- evangelizes the most. It won't surprise me a bit if this movie
does these things the most, and it also wont surprise me if even in the face
of that the anti-Gibson forces continue to blast The Passion but don't object
to this movie at all. It's too bad The Passion is not out right now so that
we can make direct comparisons and probably expose the anti-Gibson forces for
what they are.
-cr
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| User: "mdginzo" |
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30 Sep 2003 12:21:31 PM |
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"Calvin Rice" <oscwr@netscape.net> wrote in message
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It will be interesting to compare these two movies and see which
one -actually-
shows more of the Jews' responsibility for the death of Jesus, and which
one
-actually- evangelizes the most.
Who gives a *****? How about which one is more enjoyable?
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| User: "Caiaphas" |
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01 Oct 2003 04:22:52 PM |
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Here is a URL where you can view the trailer of The Gospel of John over the
Internet. You will need a DSL or Cable connection.
http://www.gospelofjohnthefilm.com/History/timeofjesus.aspx
Here is where you can find out when it will play in a theater in your city:
http://www.gospelofjohnthefilm.com/TheMovie/InTheaters.aspx
"Tim Christensen" <timchristensen99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1d4cc191.0309291228.11ed0c4e@posting.google.com...
I have seen this film, The Gospel of John, and believe that is a true
Cinematic masterpiece, depicting the Gospel and the life of Jesus. It
is a must see for any christian, and really put a fantastic visual
presence behind my favourite gospel. I saw it this weekend in Dallas
where it opened, and the theatre was packed. There was a real
emotional response at the end of the film, and I thought it was a
tremendous work of art.
The acting, direction and background were more real than any biblical
movie I have ever seen and i would recommend it to anyone who has
interest in the Gospels.
Best Regards,
Tim
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| User: "Caiaphas" |
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29 Sep 2003 04:00:34 PM |
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Is this the Mel Gibson film?
"Tim Christensen" <timchristensen99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1d4cc191.0309291228.11ed0c4e@posting.google.com...
I have seen this film, The Gospel of John, and believe that is a true
Cinematic masterpiece, depicting the Gospel and the life of Jesus. It
is a must see for any christian, and really put a fantastic visual
presence behind my favourite gospel. I saw it this weekend in Dallas
where it opened, and the theatre was packed. There was a real
emotional response at the end of the film, and I thought it was a
tremendous work of art.
The acting, direction and background were more real than any biblical
movie I have ever seen and i would recommend it to anyone who has
interest in the Gospels.
Best Regards,
Tim
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| User: "Tim V." |
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01 Oct 2003 02:49:00 PM |
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"Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in news:141eb.1308$gf3.12697
@eagle.america.net:
Is this the Mel Gibson film?
Isn't 'Passion' the Mel Gibson film?
--
Tim.
"Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither
liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "The Posting One" |
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29 Sep 2003 05:49:07 PM |
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Yes
"Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:141eb.1308$gf3.12697@eagle.america.net...
Is this the Mel Gibson film?
"Tim Christensen" <timchristensen99@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1d4cc191.0309291228.11ed0c4e@posting.google.com...
I have seen this film, The Gospel of John, and believe that is a true
Cinematic masterpiece, depicting the Gospel and the life of Jesus. It
is a must see for any christian, and really put a fantastic visual
presence behind my favourite gospel. I saw it this weekend in Dallas
where it opened, and the theatre was packed. There was a real
emotional response at the end of the film, and I thought it was a
tremendous work of art.
The acting, direction and background were more real than any biblical
movie I have ever seen and i would recommend it to anyone who has
interest in the Gospels.
Best Regards,
Tim
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29 Sep 2003 09:44:14 PM |
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more likely he's talking about this one...
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0377992/
The Posting One wrote:
Yes
"Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Is this the Mel Gibson film?
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| User: "The Posting One" |
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30 Sep 2003 07:56:03 PM |
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No, I'm pretty sure he means this one...
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0335345/
"Pro_Noia" <ME@HERE.COM> wrote in message
news:266eb.129683$bo1.36375@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
more likely he's talking about this one...
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0377992/
The Posting One wrote:
Yes
"Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:141eb.1308$gf3.12697@eagle.america.net...
Is this the Mel Gibson film?
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| User: "Pro_Noia" |
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30 Sep 2003 09:39:36 PM |
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& why would you think that?
considering he wrote "The Gospel of John" which opened in dallas almost
a week ago
AND The Passion hasn't been released yet...
The Posting One wrote:
No, I'm pretty sure he means this one...
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0335345/
"Pro_Noia" <ME@HERE.COM> wrote in message
news:266eb.129683$bo1.36375@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
more likely he's talking about this one...
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0377992/
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| User: "The Posting One" |
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30 Sep 2003 11:17:39 PM |
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Trust me, I'm right on this one.
"Pro_Noia" <ME@HERE.COM> wrote in message
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& why would you think that?
considering he wrote "The Gospel of John" which opened in dallas almost
a week ago
AND The Passion hasn't been released yet...
The Posting One wrote:
No, I'm pretty sure he means this one...
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0335345/
"Pro_Noia" <ME@HERE.COM> wrote in message
news:266eb.129683$bo1.36375@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
more likely he's talking about this one...
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0377992/
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| User: "Pro_Noia" |
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30 Sep 2003 11:23:13 PM |
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aah troll... damn, thought you were just mistaken...
The Posting One wrote:
Trust me, I'm right on this one.
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| User: "Tim Christensen" |
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| Title: Re: The Gospel of John the Film |
30 Sep 2003 11:48:05 AM |
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This is not Mel Gibson's movie. His is called the passion
timchristensen99@yahoo.com (Tim Christensen) wrote in message news:<1d4cc191.0309291228.11ed0c4e@posting.google.com>...
I have seen this film, The Gospel of John, and believe that is a true
Cinematic masterpiece, depicting the Gospel and the life of Jesus. It
is a must see for any christian, and really put a fantastic visual
presence behind my favourite gospel. I saw it this weekend in Dallas
where it opened, and the theatre was packed. There was a real
emotional response at the end of the film, and I thought it was a
tremendous work of art.
The acting, direction and background were more real than any biblical
movie I have ever seen and i would recommend it to anyone who has
interest in the Gospels.
Best Regards,
Tim
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