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25 Jan 2008 11:07:44 PM |
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The Heinous Sin Of Profane Cursing And Swearing |
This is an interesting sermon from George Whitefield. Very instructional.
The title aptly describes the sermon topic.
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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The Heinous Sin Of Profane Cursing And Swearing
by George Whitefield
Matthew 5:34, "But I say unto you, Swear not at all."
Among the many heinous sins for which this nation is grown infamous, perhaps
there is no one more crying, but withal more common, than the abominable
custom of profane swearing and cursing. Our streets abound with persons of
all degrees and qualities, who are continually provoking the holy one of
Israel to anger, by their detestable oaths and blasphemies: and our very
children, "out of whose mouths," the psalmist observes in his days, "was
perfected praise," are now grown remarkable for the quite opposite ill
quality of cursing and swearing. This cannot but be a melancholy prospect,
for every sincere and honest minister of Jesus Christ, to view his
fellow-creatures in; and such as will put him on contriving some means to
prevent the spreading at least of so growing an evil; knowing that the Lord
(without repentance) will assuredly visit for these things. But alas! what
can he do? Public animadversions are so neglected amongst us, that we seldom
find a common swearer punished as the laws direct. And as for private
admonition, men are now so hardened through the deceitfulness of sin, that
to give them sober and pious advice, and to show them the evil of their
doings, is but like "casting pearls before swine; they only turn again and
rend you." Since matters then are come to this pass, all that we can do is,
that as we are appointed watchmen and ambassadors of the Lord, it our duty
from time to time to show the people their transgression, and warn them of
their sin; so that whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear, we
however may deliver our own souls.
That I therefore may discharge my duty in this particular, give me leave, in
the name of God, humbly to offer to your most serious consideration, some
few observations on the words of the text, in order to show the heinousness
of profane cursing and swearing.
But, before I proceed directly to the prosecution of this point, it will be
proper to clear this precept of our Lord from a misrepresentation that has
been put on it by some, who infer from hence, that our Savior prohibits
swearing before a magistrate, when required on a solemn and proper occasion.
But that all swearing is not absolutely unlawful for a Christian, is evident
from the writings of St. Paul, whom we often find upon some solemn occasions
using several forms of imprecation, as, "I call God as witness;" "God is my
judge;" "By your rejoicing in Christ Jesus," and suchlike. And that our
savior does by no means forbid swearing before a magistrate, in the words
now before us, is plain, if we consider the sense and design he had in view,
when he gave his disciples this command. Permit me to observe to you then,
that our blessed master had set himself, from the 27th verse of the chapter,
out of which the text is taken, to vindicate and clear the moral law from
the corrupt glosses and misconstruction of the Pharisees, who then sat in
Moses's chair, but were notoriously faulty in adhering too closely to the
literal expression of the law, without ever considering the due extent and
spiritual meaning of it. Accordingly they imagined, that because God had
said, "Thou shalt not commit adultery," that therefore, supposing a person
was not guilty of the very act of adultery, he was not chargeable with the
breach of the seventh commandment. And likewise in the matter of swearing,
because God had forbidden his people, in the books of Exodus and
Deuteronomy, "to take his name in vain," or to swear falsely by his name;
they therefore judged it lawful to swear by any creature in common
discourse, supposing they did not directly mention the name of God. Our
blessed Savior therefore, in the words now before us, rectifies this their
mistake about swearing, as he had done in the verses immediately forgoing,
concerning adultery, and tells the people, that whatever allowances the
Pharisees might give to swear by any creature, yet he pronounced it
absolutely unlawful for any of his followers to do so. "You have heard, that
it has been said by them of old time," (namely, by the Pharisees and
teachers of the Jewish law) "Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but perform
unto the Lord thine oaths; but I say unto you," (I who am appointed by the
Father to be the great prophet and true law-giver of his church) "Swear not
at all, (in your common conversation) neither by heaven for it is God's
throne; (and therefore to swear by that, is to swear by Him that sits
thereon) neither by the earth, for it is his footstool; nor by Jerusalem,
for it is the city of the great King; neither shalt thou swear by thy head,
because thou canst not make one hair white or black: but let your
communications (which plainly shows that Christ is here speaking of
swearing, not before a magistrate, but in common conversation) let your
communication be yea, yea; nay, nay, (a strong affirmation or negation at
the most); for whatsoever is more than this, cometh of evil;" that is,
cometh from an evil principle, from the evil one, the devil, the author of
all evil.
Which by the way, methinks, should be a caution to all such persons, who,
though not guilty of swearing in the gross sense of the word, yet attest the
truth of what they are speaking of, though ever so trifling, by saying, Upon
my life, - as I live, - by my faith, - by the heavens, and such like: which
expressions, however harmless and innocent they may be esteemed by some
sorts of people, yet are the very oaths which our blessed Lord condemns in
the words immediately following the text; and persons who use such
unwarrantable forms of speaking, must expect to be convicted and condemned
as swearers, at our Savior's second coming to judge the world.
But to return: It appears then from the whole tenor of our Savior's
discourse, that in the words of the text he does by no means disannul or
forbid swearing before a magistrate (which, as might easily be shown, is
both lawful and necessary) but only profane swearing in common conversation;
the heinousness and sinfulness of which I come now, more immediately to lay
before you.
And here, not to mention that it is a direct breach of our blessed master's
and great law-giver's command in the words of the text, as likewise of the
third commandment, wherein God positively declares, "he will not hold him
guiltless (that is, will assuredly punish him) that taketh his name in
vain:" not to mention that it is the greatest abuse of that noble faculty
of speech, whereby we are distinguished from the brute creation; or the
great hazard the common swearer runs, of being perjured some time or other:
not to mention those reasons against it, which of themselves would
abundantly prove the folly and sinfulness of swearing: I shall at this time
content myself with instancing four particulars, which highly aggravate the
crime of profane swearing, and those are such as follow:
I. FIRST, Because there is no temptation in nature to this sin, nor does the
commission of it afford the offender the least pleasure or satisfaction.
II. SECONDLY, Because it is a sin which may be so often repeated.
III. THIRDLY, Because it hardens infidels against the Christian religion,
and must give great offense, and occasion much sorrow and concern to every
true disciple of Jesus Christ.
IV. FOURTHLY, Because it is an extremity of sin, which can only be matched
in hell.
I. The first reason then, why swearing in common conversation is so heinous
in God's sight, and why we should not swear at all, is, because it has no
temptation in nature, nor does the commission of it, unless a man be a devil
incarnate, afford the offender the least pleasure or satisfaction.
Now here, I presume, we may lay it down as a maxim universally agreed on,
that the guilt of any crime is increased or lessened in proportion to the
weakness or strength of the temptation, by which a person is carried to the
commission of it. It was this consideration that extenuated and diminished
the guilt of Saul's taking upon him to offer sacrifice before the Prophet
Saumel came; and of Uzza's touching the ark, because it was in danger of
falling: as, on the contrary, what so highly aggravated the disobedience of
our first parents, and of Lot's wife, was, because the former had so little
reason to eat the forbidden fruit, and the latter so small a temptation to
look back on Sodom.
And now if this be granted, surely the common swearer must of all sinners be
the most without excuse, since there is no manner of temptation in nature to
commission of his crime. In most of the other commands, persons, perhaps,
may plead the force of natural inclination in excuse for the breach of them:
one, for instance, may allege his string propensity to anger, to excuse his
breaking of the sixth; another, his proneness to lust, for his violation of
the seventh. But surely the common swearer has nothing of this kind to urge
in his behalf; for though he may have a natural inclination to this or that
crime, yet no man, it is to be presumed, can say, he is born with a swearing
constitution.
But further, As there is no temptation to it, so there is no pleasure or
profit to be reaped from the commission of it. Ask the drunkard why he rises
up early to follow strong drink, and he will tell you, because it affords
his sensual appetite some kind of pleasure and gratification, though it be
no higher than that of a brute. Inquire of the covetous worldling, why he
defrauds and over-reaches his neighbor, and he has an answer ready; to
enrich himself, and lay up goods for many years. But it must certainly
puzzle the profane swearer himself, to inform you what pleasure he reaps
from swearing: for alas! it is a fruitless tasteless thing that he sells his
soul for. But indeed he does not sell it at all: in this case he prodigally
gives it away (without repentance) to the devil; and parts with a blessed
eternity, and runs into everlasting torment, merely for nothing.
II. But SECONDLY, what increases the heinousness of profane swearing, is,
that it is a sin which may so often be repeated.
This is another consideration which always serves to lessen or increase the
guilt and malignity of any sin. It was some excuse for the drunkenness of
Noah, and the adultery of David, that they committed these crimes but once;
as, on the contrary, of the patriarch Abraham's distrust of God, that he
repeated the dissembling [deception] of Sarah to be his wife, two several
times. And if this be admitted as an aggravation of other profane crimes,
surely much more so of the guilt of common swearing, because it is a sin
which may be, and is for the generality often repeated. In many other gross
sins it cannot be so: if a man be overcome in drink, there must be a
considerable time ere he can recover his debauch, and return to his cups
again: or if he be accustomed to profane the sabbath, he cannot do it every
day, but only one in seven. But alas! the profane swearer is ready for
another oath, almost before the sound of the first is out of our ears; yea,
some double and treble them in one sentence, even so as to confound the
sense of what they say, by an horrid din of blasphemy! Now if the great and
terrible Jehovah has expressly declared that he will not hold him guiltless,
that is, will assuredly punish him, that taketh his name but once in vain;
what a vast heap of these heinous sins lies at every common swearer's door?
It would be apt to sink him into an intolerable despair, did he but see the
whole sum of them. And O what a seared conscience must that wretch have,
that does not feel this prodigious weight!
III. But THIRDLY, what makes the sin of profane swearing appear yet more
exceeding sinful, is, that it hardens infidels against the Christian
religion.
It is the Apostle Peter's advice to the married persons of his time, that
they should walk as became the gospel of Christ, that those who were
without, might be won to embrace the Christian religion, by seeing and
observing their pious conversation coupled together with fear. And what the
Apostle presses on married persons, we find elsewhere enjoined on each
particular member of the church. Accordingly we are commanded by our blessed
Lord, to "let our light to shine before men, that they may see our good
works, and glorify our Father which is in heaven;" And the Apostle Paul bids
us "walk circumspectly towards them that are without, redeeming the time;"
that is, embracing all opportunities to do them good, "because the days are
evil." But alas! in what a direct contradiction does the profane swearer
live to this and such-like precepts, who, instead of gaining proselytes to
Christ from the unbelieving part of the world, does all he can to oppose it!
For how can it be expected, that infidels should honor God, when Christians
themselves despise him; or that any should embrace our religion, when
professors of it themselves make so light of one of its strictest commands?
No; to our grief and shame be it spoken, it is by reason of such impieties
as these, that our holy religion (the best and purest in itself) is become a
by-word among the heathen; that the sacred authority of the holy Jesus and
his doctrine is despised; and "God's name (as it is written) blasphemed
among the Gentiles."
These cannot but be sad stumbling-blocks and offenses in the way of our
brethren's conversion; "But woe be to those men by whom such offenses come."
We may say of them, as our blessed Lord did of Judas, "It had been better
for such men, that they had never been born;" or, as he threatens in another
place, "It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of
judgment, than for such sinners."
But this is not all; As profane swearing must undoubtedly harden those in
their infidelity, that are without, so must it no less grieve and give great
offense to those hones and sincere persons that are within the church. We
hear of David's complaining and crying out, "Woe is me, that I am
constrained to dwell with Mesech, and to have my habitation amongst the
tents of Kedar;" that is, that he was obliged to live and converse with a
people exceedingly wicked and profane. And St. Peter tells us, that "Lot's
righteous soul was grieved day by day, whilst he saw and observed the
ungodly conversation of the wicked." And no doubt it was one great part of
our blessed Master's sufferings whilst on earth, that he was compelled to
converse with a wicked and perverse generation, and to hear his heavenly
Father's sacred name profaned and scoffed at by unrighteous and wicked men.
And surely it cannot but pierce the heart of every true and sincere
Christian, of every one that does in any measure partake of the spirit of
his master, to hear the multitude of oaths and curses which proceed daily
and hourly out of the mouths of many people, and those too, whose liberal
education, and seeming regard for the welfare of religion, one would think,
should teach them a more becoming behavior. To hear the great and terrible
name of God polluted by men, which is adored by angels; and to consider how
often that sacred name is profaned in common discourse, which we are not
worthy to mention in our prayers; this, I say, cannot but make each of them
cry out with holy David, "Woe is me, that I am constrained to dwell with
Mesech, and to have my habitation amongst the tents of Kedar." And though
the blasphemous and profane discourses of others, will not be imputed to
sincere persons for sin, so long as they "have no fellowship with such
hellish fruits of darkness, but rather reprove them;" yet it will greatly
enhance the present guilt, and sadly increase the future punishment of every
profane swearer, by whom such offenses come. For if, as our Savior tells us,
"it had been better for a man to have a mill-stone tied around his neck,
than that he should offend one of his little once, (that is, the weakest of
his disciples) how much sorer punishment will they be thought worthy of,"
who not only cause God's name to be blasphemed among the Gentiles, and the
religion of our dear Redeemer to be abhorred; but who make his saints to
weep and mourn, and vex their righteous souls from day to day, by their
ungodly, profane, and blasphemous conversation? Surely, as God will put the
tears of the one into his bottle, so it will be just in him to punish the
other with eternal sorrow, for all their ungodly and hard speeches, and cast
them into a lake of fire and brimstone, where they shall be glad of a drop
of water to cool those tongues, with which they have so often blasphemed the
Lord of Hosts, and grieved the people of our God.
IV. But it is time for me to proceed to give my FOURTH and last reason, why
common swearing is so exceeding sinful; and that is, Because it is such an
extremity of sin, that can only be matched in hell, where all are desperate,
and without hope of mercy.
The damned devils, and damned souls of men in hell, may be supposed to rave
and blaspheme in their torments, because they know that the chains wherein
they are held, can never be knocked off; but for men that swim in the river
of God's goodness, whose mercies are renewed to them every morning, and who
are visited with fresh tokens of his infinite unmerited loving-kindness
every moment; for these favorite creatures to set their mouths against
heaven, and to blaspheme a gracious, patient, all-bountiful God; is a height
of sin which exceeds the blackness and impiety of devils and hell itself.
And now, after what has been here offered, to show the heinousness of
profane cursing and swearing in common conversation, may I not very justly
address myself to you in the words of the text, "Therefore I say unto you,
Swear not at all;" since it is a sin that has no temptation in nature, nor
brings any pleasure or profit to the committer of it; since it hardens
infidels in their infidelity, and affords sad causes of grief and
lamentation to every honest Christian; since it is a sin that generally
grows into a habit, and lastly, such a sin that can only be matched in hell.
1. And first then, if these things be so, and the sin of profane swearing,
as hath been in some measure shown, is so exceeding sinful, what shall we
say to such unhappy men, who think it not only allowable, but fashionable
and polite, to "take the name of God in vain;" who imagine that swearing
makes them look big among their companions, and really think it a piece of
honor to abound in it? But alas! little do they think that such a behavior
argues the greatest degeneracy of mind and fool-hardiness, that can possibly
be thought of. For what can be more base, than one hour to pretend to adore
God in public worship, and the very next moment to blaspheme his name;
indeed, such a behavior, from persons who deny the being of a God, (if any
such fools there be) is not altogether to much to be wondered at; but for
men, who not only subscribe to the belief of a Deity, but likewise
acknowledge him to be a God of infinite majesty and power; for such men to
blaspheme his holy name, by profane cursing and swearing, and at the same
time confess, that this very God has expressly declared, he will not hold
him guiltless, but will certainly and eternally punish (without repentance)
him that taketh his name in vain; is such an instance of fool-hardiness, as
well as baseness, that can scarcely be paralleled. This is what they presume
not to do in other cases of less danger: they dare not revile a general at
the head of his army, nor rouse a sleeping lion when within reach of his
paw. And is the Almighty God, the great Jehovah, the everlasting King, who
can consume them by the breath of his nostrils, and frown them to hell in an
instant; is he the only contemptible being in their account, that may be
provoked without fear, and offended without punishment? No; though God hear
long, he will not bear always; the time will come, and that too, perhaps,
much sooner than such persons may expect, when God will vindicate his
injured honor, when he will lay bare his almighty arm, and make those
wretches feel the eternal smart of his justice, show power and name they
have so often vilified and blasphemed. Alas! what will become of all their
bravery then? Will they then wantonly sport with the name of their Maker,
and call upon the King of all the earth to damn them any more in jest? No;
their note will then be changed: indeed, they shall call, but it will be for
"the rocks to fall on them, and the hills to cover them from the wrath of
him that sitteth upon the throne, and from the Lamb for ever." It is true,
time was when they prayed, though without thought, perhaps, for damnation
both for themselves and others; and now they will find their prayers
answered.
"They delighted in cursing, therefore shalt it happen unto them; they loved
not blessing, therefore shall it be far from them; they clothed themselves
with cursing like as with a garment, and it shall come into their bowels
like water, and like oil into their bones."
2. But further, if the sin of swearing is so exceeding heinous, and withal
so common, then it is every particular person's duty, especially those that
are in authority, to do their utmost towards discountenancing and
suppressing so malignant a crime. The duty we owe both to God and our
neighbor, requires this at our hands; by the one we are obliged to assert
our Maker's honor; by the other to prevent our neighbor's ruin; and it is
but doing as we would be done by, and as we ourselves act in cases of lesser
consequence. Were we to hear either our own or our friend's good name
vilified [slandered, maligned] and traduced [slandered, maligned], we should
think it our bounden duty to vindicate the wronged reputation of each; and
shall the great, terrible, and holy name of our best and only friend, our
king, our father, nay our God: shall this be daily, nay every moment, defied
and blasphemed; and will no one dare to stand up in defense of his honor and
holiness? Be astonished, O heavens, at this! No; let us scorn all such base
and treacherous treatment; let us resolve to support the cause of religion,
and with a becoming prudent courage manifest our zeal for the honor of the
Lord of Hosts. Men in authority have double the advantages of ordinary
Christians; their very office shows they are intended for the punishment of
evil doers. And such is the degeneracy of mankind, that the generality of
them will be more influenced by the power of persons in authority, than by
the most labored exhortations from the pulpit. To such, therefore, if there
are any here present, I humbly address myself, beseeching them, in the name
of our Lord Jesus Christ, to do their utmost to put a stop to, and restrain
profane cursing and swearing. And though it must be confessed, that this is
a work which requires a great deal of courage and pains, yet they would do
well to consider, it is for God they undertake it, who certainly will
support and bear them out in a due execution of their office here, and
reward them with an exceeding and eternal weight of glory hereafter. But it
is time to draw towards a conclusion.
3. Let me, therefore, once more address myself to every person here present,
in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ; and if any amongst them have been any
way guilty of this notorious sin of swearing, let me entreat them by all
that is near and dear to them, that they would neither give the magistrate
the trouble to punish, nor their friends any reason for the future to warn
them against committing the crime; but keep a constant and careful watch
over the door of their lips, and withal implore the divine assistance
(without which all is nothing) that they offend no more so scandalously with
their tongues. Let them seriously lay to heart, what with great plainness
and simplicity has here been delivered: and if they have any regard for
themselves as men, or their reputation as Christians; if they would not be a
public scandal to their profession, or a grief to all that know or converse
with them: in short, if they would not be devils incarnate here, and provoke
God to punish them eternally hereafter; I say unto them in the name of our
Lord Jesus Christ, "Swear not at all."
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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| Title: Re: The Heinous Sin Of Profane Cursing And Swearing |
26 Jan 2008 12:35:32 PM |
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DEATH TO THE SICK, SADISTIC *****, THE ALL-POWERFUL *****, THE
USELESS JACKASS *****, THE DUMBASS PILE OF *****, THE COMPLETELY USELESS
FUCKING ***** CHRISTIAN GOD
why doens't your ***** of a god PREVENT children from being raped and
murdered ?
DEATH TO THE ***** JACKASS CHRISTIAN GOD
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| User: "Carl" |
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| Title: Re: The Heinous Sin Of Profane Cursing And Swearing |
29 Jan 2008 12:36:48 AM |
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I always thank God for you because of his grace given you in Christ Jesus.
For in him you have been enriched in every way - in all your speaking and in
all your knowledge-because our testimony about Christ was confirmed in you.
Therefore you do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our
Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed. He will keep you strong to the end, so
that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God, who has
called you into fellowship with his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, is faithful.
(1 Corinthians 1:4-9)
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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| Title: Re: The Heinous Sin Of Profane Cursing And Swearing |
29 Jan 2008 09:17:08 PM |
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"Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote in message
news:fnmhi0$gsi$1@news.utelfla.com...
I always thank God for you because of his grace given you in Christ Jesus.
For in him you have been enriched in every way - in all your speaking and
in all your knowledge-because our testimony about Christ was confirmed in
you. Therefore you do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for
our Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed. He will keep you strong to the end,
so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God, who
has called you into fellowship with his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, is
faithful. (1 Corinthians 1:4-9)
did the 200,000 people that your HORSESHIT SKY PIXIE MURDERED with a tusnami
thank him too
DEATH TO THE MAS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING SICK, SADISTIC ***** called the
christian god
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30 Jan 2008 01:03:22 PM |
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SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:
did the 200,000 people that your HORSESHIT SKY PIXIE MURDERED with a tusnami
thank him too
You bet they did, well, they thanked the "real God", those who were
saved, those that were not, didn't, I fear.
My friend,, you have not seen or heard from the Real God, or you would
know Death is not a bad thing for those who believe in him.
You look at men, and expect to see God, that is indeed a rare creature
you seek on this Earth, as few who call his name, have God "in" them.
You look for "proof" in the World around you, there is a God. That proof
is not for the "World to see" only for those who know, can see it, those
who have been given the sight to see it. It is God's plan, this is the
way he wishes it,, but just at this time, the time will come so
everyone will see it. If all men could see it now , then people would
believe because of this proof, and not because of the faith that God
gives as a gift to those who wants to give it to.
You wish to see a World where there is no pain, no suffering, a God that
does away, and does not allow it. That World will come.
What I am about to tell you, you have rarely, if ever heard, as few know
it, outside the walls of a church and those who do inside the walls,
rarely speak of it, outside them.
The reason we have this pain and this suffering in this World, is so we
would know the difference, there must be an opposite to everything to
measure it against. How would we know what Love is, if there was no
hate, how would we know what life truly is, if there was no death ? How
would we know what peace is, if there was no suffering? Everything in
the universe has opposites . (Science just recently found one for
Gravity, the very last thing, they though had no opposite, it is some
kind of dark energy as they call it, they don't have a clue what it is,
but they know it is there.) There is even an opposite for Mass it's self
Before the Big Bang, God had indeed built a place where there was no
suffering, and no death, a place where all could see him, and creatures
who "knew" he was real,, yet some rebelled against God, they did not
know just how good a place they had.
So God made the Universe, and "everything" in it had an opposite,
including "faith", and there are "degrees" of everything, including Love.
So God made man, and he placed two in the Garden, and here again there
was no pain, no suffering, no death, no hate, no fear, and God walked
there, (this Garden was the last attempt, to make a creature, and place
him in a "perfect" place) so man knew he was God,, and man rebelled, and
he learned about all these things because he rebelled, the punishment
was not being thrown from the Garden, it was the knowledge of these
things, this is what man must now live in, not only did he mentally know
of these things, he must experience them. Man now knows what these
things really are, and endures them, so when he is again in a place
where these things no longer exist, he knows how good he has it, because
he remembered how bad it was, and man will never again rebel against
God, because God is the "only" source of all things Good, to rebel means
going back to where there is suffering . There is much more truth here,
this is but seeing it with a dim light, but even "most" of those he
chooses to to let know he is "real" must stay in this world for a time
and do his work, they also endure the suffering of man, so they can be a
light to those who God has not yet chosen. ( we suffer these things, but
not as other men do, we do with Joy and love in our hearts, in spite of
these things, these things can not steal our Joy, because it does not
come from this World or the things in it)
Some are chosen by God and taken home shortly after they are, I have
been at their bedsides, and watched it happen, these people died with a
huge smile on their face, not just at moment of death, but before it,
some shared the love of God with me, that was filling them, some of
these people were actually like you, their whole lives, others had not
really know him, but believed in other gods, made from the Bible by man.
I have also seen those cursing and or in total denial of God, before
they died, In these cases it was not a pleasant experience, for them, or
for me.
You want "proof" there is a God, about the only place God "could" let
you see, at this moment in your life , is at the death bed of a saved soul
DEATH TO THE MAS-MURDERING, CHILD-KILLING SICK, SADISTIC ***** called the
christian god
If you only see the World as a place of such things, it is easy for you
to claim there is no God. ( you only see what you want to see, you are
looking for why there can be no God)
If you only see people "who claim" to be Christians committing such
acts, again it is easy to see why you claim there is no God.
( you only see what you want to see, you are looking at, and for the
reasons why, there can be no God)
If you only hear , "you will burn in Hell" for not believing in this
God, it is very easy to see why you have your beliefs. How can you be
convinced of this, when you don't even believe in Heaven or Hell
One day I pray God will open your eyes, so you can see and hear him, and
his works on this Earth, so you can see them forever in Heaven.
I'm not asking you to believe in God, I'm not telling you , you will
burn in hell, , I am praying and believing you won't , that God will
give you sight
I am not even asking you to stop this kind of post, as these post and
your words will not convince anyone who has been Born Again into God,
and they will not stop anyone from being Born Again into God.
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See lure video you won't believe
http://ezknot.com/videos.html
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30 Jan 2008 01:59:51 PM |
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"Rodney Long" <rdlong@charter.net> wrote in message
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SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:
did the 200,000 people that your HORSESHIT SKY PIXIE MURDERED with a
tusnami
thank him too
You bet they did, well, they thanked the "real God", those who were
saved, those that were not, didn't, I fear.
He asked about the 200,000 that God allowed to be killed, not the ones he
missed.
So, answer the question or shut up moron.
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| User: "Rodney Long" |
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30 Jan 2008 04:18:08 PM |
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Ghamph wrote:
"Rodney Long" <rdlong@charter.net> wrote in message
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SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:
did the 200,000 people that your HORSESHIT SKY PIXIE MURDERED with a
tusnami
thank him too
You bet they did, well, they thanked the "real God", those who were
saved, those that were not, didn't, I fear.
He asked about the 200,000 that God allowed to be killed, not the ones he
missed.
So, answer the question or shut up moron.
I was talking about the ones who lost their life here on Earth
Sorry you missed that, I should have worded it better
--
SpecTastic Wiggle Rig,
Fishing lure remote control
See lure video you won't believe
http://ezknot.com/videos.html
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| User: "John Smith" |
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30 Jan 2008 02:53:34 PM |
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"Rodney Long" <rdlong@charter.net> wrote in message
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SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:
did the 200,000 people that your HORSESHIT SKY PIXIE MURDERED with a
tusnami thank him too
You bet they did, well, they thanked the "real God", those who were saved,
those that were not, didn't, I fear.
My friend,, you have not seen or heard from the Real God, or you would
know Death is not a bad thing for those who believe in him.
You cannot hear or see something that has no evidence for it's existance.
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| User: "Ghamph" |
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30 Jan 2008 03:22:26 PM |
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"Rodney Long" <rdlong@charter.net> wrote in message
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SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:
did the 200,000 people that your HORSESHIT SKY PIXIE MURDERED with a
tusnami thank him too
You bet they did, well, they thanked the "real God", those who were saved,
those that were not, didn't, I fear.
My friend,, you have not seen or heard from the Real God, or you would
know Death is not a bad thing for those who believe in him.
One, I am not your friend.
Next, you have neither seen nor heard from any (non-existing) God either.
If you did see or hear from a real god you would not need the act of
(believing) in a god.
You would know that a god existed.
But since you still use the word believe you are in the dark about the
reality of a god.
You should know what the Bible says about saying (yes) or (no) and never
stating belief as fact when it is only a belief.
I don't believe in your God, but I have eternal life.
I'll bet you can't understand that.
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| User: "Rodney Long" |
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30 Jan 2008 04:54:47 PM |
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Ghamph wrote:
One, I am not your friend.
Why not
Next, you have neither seen nor heard from any (non-existing) God either.
Here you are wrong
If you did see or hear from a real god you would not need the act of
(believing) in a god.
Your right and "I" don't
You would know that a god existed.
If you will read other post I have made, you will see I use "I Know"
instead of I believe, I do use it when others use it, by saying they
don't "believe"
But since you still use the word believe you are in the dark about the
reality of a god.
I using it only for the others here, when I speak to others I "only" use
"I know"
You should know what the Bible says about saying (yes) or (no) and never
stating belief as fact when it is only a belief.
I agree 100%
I don't believe in your God, but I have eternal life.
I'll bet you can't understand that.
I bet you will loose that bet :-)
"I know" you have eternal life, I know every person ever born has it,
now where you will spend that, that I don't know, only God does !
How you believe this, but not in "any" God,, I'm curious ?
--
SpecTastic Wiggle Rig,
Fishing lure remote control
See lure video you won't believe
http://ezknot.com/videos.html
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| User: "Ghamph" |
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30 Jan 2008 05:57:03 PM |
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"Rodney Long" <rdlong@charter.net> wrote in message
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Ghamph wrote:
"I know" you have eternal life, I know every person ever born has it,
Ah, we have some common ground.
now where you will spend that, that I don't know, only God does !
You either know or you don't, which is it.
How you believe this, but not in "any" God,, I'm curious ?
Believe? I don't believe, I know what I know.
To believe, is not knowing. Believing, is taking another trusted persons
word for fact.
Knowing is having seen for yourself.
--
SpecTastic Wiggle Rig,
Fishing lure remote control
See lure video you won't believe
http://ezknot.com/videos.html
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| User: "Rodney Long" |
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01 Feb 2008 04:00:09 PM |
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Ghamph wrote:
"I know" you have eternal life, I know every person ever born has it,
Ah, we have some common ground.
now where you will spend that, that I don't know, only God does !
You either know or you don't, which is it.
For "you" I don't know,, for "me", I know
How you believe this, but not in "any" God,, I'm curious ?
Believe? I don't believe, I know what I know.
I strongly "believe", you are one, that will soon "know" much more.
To believe, is not knowing. Believing, is taking another trusted persons
word for fact.
Correct in a way, this is the only way "people believe" with their own
minds.
Knowing is having seen for yourself.
That's why "I Know" instead of believe
I died, just for an "instant", but I died, no tunnel with a light at the
end,, it was much, much more.
--
SpecTastic Wiggle Rig,
Fishing lure remote control
See lure video you won't believe
http://ezknot.com/videos.html
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| User: "Ghamph" |
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01 Feb 2008 05:28:05 PM |
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" RodneyLong" <rdlong@charter.net> wrote in message
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Ghamph wrote:
Knowing is having seen for yourself.
That's why "I Know" instead of believe
I died, just for an "instant", but I died, no tunnel with a light at the
end,, it was much, much more.
You didn't die. Near death, is not death.
You're still here, you had a near death experience.
However, you must have had a glimpse of your extra sense that we all can
access.
I don't remember a near death event but I have seen glimpses of the future
several times.
--
SpecTastic Wiggle Rig,
Fishing lure remote control
See lure video you won't believe
http://ezknot.com/videos.html
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| User: "Rodney Long" |
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03 Feb 2008 09:09:54 PM |
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Ghamph wrote:
You didn't die. Near death, is not death.
You're still here, you had a near death experience.
However, you must have had a glimpse of your extra sense that we all can
access.
I don't remember a near death event but I have seen glimpses of the future
several times.
The difference
I was a New creature
--
SpecTastic Wiggle Rig,
Fishing lure remote control
See lure video you won't believe
http://ezknot.com/videos.html
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| User: "Jimmy Alpha" |
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04 Feb 2008 06:26:55 AM |
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Rodney Long wrote:
Ghamph wrote:
"I know" you have eternal life, I know every person ever born has it,
Ah, we have some common ground.
now where you will spend that, that I don't know, only God does !
You either know or you don't, which is it.
For "you" I don't know,, for "me", I know
How you believe this, but not in "any" God,, I'm curious ?
Believe? I don't believe, I know what I know.
I strongly "believe", you are one, that will soon "know" much more.
To believe, is not knowing. Believing, is taking another trusted persons
word for fact.
Correct in a way, this is the only way "people believe" with their own
minds.
Knowing is having seen for yourself.
That's why "I Know" instead of believe
I died, just for an "instant", but I died, no tunnel with a light at the
end,, it was much, much more.
Rodney, how was the judgment?
Jimmy Alpha
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| User: "Rodney Long" |
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30 Jan 2008 04:39:07 PM |
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John Smith wrote:
"Rodney Long" <rdlong@charter.net> wrote in message
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SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:
did the 200,000 people that your HORSESHIT SKY PIXIE MURDERED with a
tusnami thank him too
You bet they did, well, they thanked the "real God", those who were saved,
those that were not, didn't, I fear.
My friend,, you have not seen or heard from the Real God, or you would
know Death is not a bad thing for those who believe in him.
You cannot hear or see something that has no evidence for it's existance.
That is true,, just like the World thought the Universe was just our
Milky Way
Now they tell us it's billions of Galaxies 13 billion light years , in
all directions, (that's 26 billion light years from one side to the
other, because it is 13 billion away from Earth, in all directions, yet
they claim the Universe is only 15 billion years old and everything
exploded from a single point, and that point is no where near Earth,,
this means some of this mass traveled at faster than the speed of light,
which they claim mass can never go faster than light, then they found
out how fast the universe was going,, so they guessed it must be slowing
down from that high speed from the bang,, no,, instead it is speeding
up, and it's current speed is not even 1/10000 the speed of light.
How could the Galaxies have moved so far in such a short time, and they
started out slower than they now are ?
Yet you "believe all this ? :-)
Only those who can "see" them through their Telescopes, really have
proof, the rest of the World just took them at there word,, then we had
the Photos, of course those could be easily Doctored.
There are still thousands of people who believe man never walked on the
Moon,, the whole thing was a HOAX
I see things you can't see, because you have not been given the sight.
What if you were born blind,, would you say there is no such thing as
red ? With all the tools known to man,, how can a sighted person "prove"
to a blind person there is red ?
How could "You" prove to a blind person there is red ?????????????
Answer this question !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--
SpecTastic Wiggle Rig,
Fishing lure remote control
See lure video you won't believe
http://ezknot.com/videos.html
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| User: "Ghamph" |
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30 Jan 2008 05:15:15 PM |
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"Rodney Long" <rdlong@charter.net> wrote in message
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John Smith wrote:
That is true,, just like the World thought the Universe was just our
Milky Way
Now they tell us it's billions of Galaxies 13 billion light years , in
all directions, (that's 26 billion light years from one side to the
other, because it is 13 billion away from Earth, in all directions, yet
they claim the Universe is only 15 billion years old and everything
exploded from a single point, and that point is no where near Earth,,
this means some of this mass traveled at faster than the speed of light,
which they claim mass can never go faster than light, then they found
out how fast the universe was going,, so they guessed it must be slowing
down from that high speed from the bang,, no,, instead it is speeding
up, and it's current speed is not even 1/10000 the speed of light.
How could the Galaxies have moved so far in such a short time, and they
started out slower than they now are ?
Yet you "believe all this ? :-)
No.
The big bang is a theory, not scientific fact.
I have a slightly different similar theory.
I think that since the galaxies are moving at a constantly faster rate apart
that they will at some point be out of sight in a few billion years. (Don't
hold your breath)
I think that there are uncountable universes in the form of giant
supermassive black holes (universal eggs).
The excess outer galaxies from our immediate universe will eventually impose
on other universal-egg black holes and cause a critical mass which will
explode into new universes. (what's the plural of universe?)
It's normal for humans to see the edge of their crib and think that their
crib is all there is in the universe, (until they learn different).
Of course, my theory could be proven false if we find out someday in the far
future that the universe is part of some cheese in Gods sandwich He's eating
for lunch.
Perhaps aliens coming to harvest our meat next year will prove to be the
reality.
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30 Jan 2008 03:59:45 PM |
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"Rodney Long" <rdlong@charter.net> wrote in message
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SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:
did the 200,000 people that your HORSESHIT SKY PIXIE MURDERED with a
tusnami thank him too
You bet they did, well, they thanked the "real God", those who were saved,
those that were not, didn't, I fear.
My friend,, you have not seen or heard from the Real God, or you would
know Death is not a bad thing for those who believe in him.
You look at men, and expect to see God, that is indeed a rare creature you
seek on this Earth, as few who call his name, have God "in" them.
You look for "proof" in the World around you, there is a God. That proof
is not for the "World to see" only for those who know, can see it, those
who have been given the sight to see it. It is God's plan, this is the way
he wishes it,, but just at this time, the time will come so everyone will
see it. If all men could see it now , then people would believe because of
this proof, and not because of the faith that God gives as a gift to those
who wants to give it to.
You wish to see a World where there is no pain, no suffering, a God that
does away, and does not allow it. That World will come.
when will your HORSESHIT SKY PIXIE GET OFF OF HIS FAT, LAZY ***** AND PREVENT
CHILDREN FROM BEING RAPED AND MURDERED
What I am about to tell you, you have rarely, if ever heard, as few know
it, outside the walls of a church and those who do inside the walls,
rarely speak of it, outside them.
The reason we have this pain and this suffering in this World, is because
the christian god is a SICK, SADISTIC ***** AND A COLD-HEARTED
*****, AND HE LOVES TO WATCH PEOPLE SUFFER
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30 Jan 2008 05:15:14 PM |
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SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:
"Rodney Long" <rdlong@charter.net> wrote in message
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SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:
did the 200,000 people that your HORSESHIT SKY PIXIE MURDERED with a
tusnami thank him too
You bet they did, well, they thanked the "real God", those who were saved,
those that were not, didn't, I fear.
My friend,, you have not seen or heard from the Real God, or you would
know Death is not a bad thing for those who believe in him.
You look at men, and expect to see God, that is indeed a rare creature you
seek on this Earth, as few who call his name, have God "in" them.
You look for "proof" in the World around you, there is a God. That proof
is not for the "World to see" only for those who know, can see it, those
who have been given the sight to see it. It is God's plan, this is the way
he wishes it,, but just at this time, the time will come so everyone will
see it. If all men could see it now , then people would believe because of
this proof, and not because of the faith that God gives as a gift to those
who wants to give it to.
You wish to see a World where there is no pain, no suffering, a God that
does away, and does not allow it. That World will come.
when will your HORSESHIT SKY PIXIE GET OFF OF HIS FAT, LAZY ***** AND PREVENT
CHILDREN FROM BEING RAPED AND MURDERED
What I am about to tell you, you have rarely, if ever heard, as few know
it, outside the walls of a church and those who do inside the walls,
rarely speak of it, outside them.
The reason we have this pain and this suffering in this World, is because
the christian god is a SICK, SADISTIC ***** AND A COLD-HEARTED
*****, AND HE LOVES TO WATCH PEOPLE SUFFER
Never said he loved to watch,, or was even cold hearted
You don't love punishing your kids do you ?
In the comparison of all time, the suffering here is but a blink in
time, and the rewards are everlasting
This body we all have is nothing but dust from the ground, created as a
shell for us just for a short time.
Another little fact, the human mind can not remember physical pain, it
can everything else but not pain, and I should know as I have a thorn
in the flesh (biblically speaking)
I have had over 150 kidney stones I have passed, they say the worst pain
known to man, and I have never been able to relive that pain, (remember
it), I remember I had hurt, I remember not being able to move lying on
the ground, but I can't remember that pain. I have had these stones
since my 21st birthday, being Born Again did not remove them from me,
but now I don't cruse God when I am having one, I praise him.
If I can't remember that pain here and now, do you think I will be able
to 100 years from now ? or 100,000,000 years from now ?
--
SpecTastic Wiggle Rig,
Fishing lure remote control
See lure video you won't believe
http://ezknot.com/videos.html
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| User: "NOSPAM nospam@nospam" |
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| Title: Re: The Heinous Sin Of Profane Cursing And Swearing |
30 Jan 2008 04:01:19 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:36:48 -0500, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com>
wrote:
I always thank God for you because of his grace given you in Christ Jesus.
For in him you have been enriched in every way - in all your speaking and in
all your knowledge-because our testimony about Christ was confirmed in you.
Therefore you do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our
Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed. He will keep you strong to the end, so
that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God, who has
called you into fellowship with his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, is faithful.
(1 Corinthians 1:4-9)
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
Carl:
To whom is this posted?
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| User: "Merlin" |
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26 Jan 2008 10:03:43 AM |
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alt.bible, alt.christnet, alt.christnet.bible,
alt.christnet.christianlife,
alt.religion.christian, alt.religion.christian.baptist,
alt.religion.christian.biblestudy, alt.christnet
alt.religion.christian.methodist, alt.religion.christian.pentecostal,
free.christians, alt.christnet
heinous sin?
sin is missing the mark in ancient greek archery.
sin is about archery
is not missing the mark less than heinous?
how does not making the make become so heinous?
Carl wrote:
This is an interesting sermon from George Whitefield. Very instructional.
The title aptly describes the sermon topic.
heinous isn't it?
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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The Heinous Sin Of Profane Cursing And Swearing
by George Whitefield
Matthew 5:34, "But I say unto you, Swear not at all."
Among the many heinous sins
there is only sin, not good sin not bad sin.
there is only sin.
glorifying sin doesn't work
changing the rating on some sins doesn't work
qualifying sin does not work either
it is all heinous misuse of the word sin.
in love with the living gay jesus who would never use the word heinous
no matter how bad you are,
merlin
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