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The Holocaust: Ideas and Their Consequences
Ray Cotton
Ray Cotton is the former finance director and treasurer of Probe
Ministries. He received a B.S. in business administration/management
science from the University of Northern Colorado, a certificate in
Christian studies from the Center for Advanced Biblical Studies, and
an M.A. in interdisciplinary studies at the University of Texas at
Dallas. He now serves in a ministry to international students. He can
be reached at
"Schindler's List," Steven Spielberg's award-winning film based on a
novel by Thomas Keneally, brings us a story of great moral courage in
the midst of a culture of fear and hate. Set in World War II Europe,
during the horrors of the Jewish Holocaust, the movie chronicles the
fanatical determination of the Nazi regime to eliminate the Jews from
the face of the earth. Along the way, the movie teaches a lesson about
the power of a single individual to do good, in spite of the
circumstances and in the face of unbelievable difficulties.
The movie allows us to observe the moral growth that took place in the
life of Oskar Schindler as he matured from a greedy war profiteer to a
rescuer of Jewish people. Mr. Schindler went from amassing a personal
fortune to draining that fortune and risking his life in the process.
He saved 1,300 Jews from the Nazi death camps. But he could only save
a small percentage of the persecuted Jewish people, and the movie
re-emphasizes the horror of this tragedy.
Six million Jews (and five million non-Jews) went to their deaths
under the hands of the Nazi exterminators. This means that half of all
the Jews in Europe and a third of all the Jewish people on earth
perished in the Holocaust. This historical lesson of man's inhumanity
to man must never be forgotten and today, thanks to Holocaust museums
in cities around the world and movies like "Schindler's List," the
message is being kept alive.
1994 marked the 50th anniversary of the D-day invasion of Europe; it
also marked the liberation of the first death camp, Majdanek, where
360,000 people, most of them Jews, were exterminated. The liberations
continued as the Allied forces advanced during the next six months.
Auschwitz, the most infamous death camp, was liberated on January 27,
1945.{1} The stories of that came forth from those who liberated the
camps were at first dismissed as too horrible to be true. But as each
succeeding camp was liberated, it became impossible to deny the
reality of it all. To this day the world continues to ask, how could
such things happen in modern times? Even more frightening is the
realization that the same forces which gave rise to the Holocaust are
operating in our world today.{2}
Adolf Hitler, on the last day of his life, April 29, 1945, in the
Berlin bunker, dictated these final words to the German people: Above
all I charge the leaders of the nation and those under them to
scrupulous observance of the laws of race and to merciless opposition
to the universal poisoner of all peoples, international Jewry.{3}
What was the overpowering idea that brought forth the paradigm that
allowed Hitler and the Nazi party to come into power? Was it the
anti-Semitism of the church or was it the ever growing idea of
atheistic naturalism?
It has been asserted that the early church said the Jews may not live
among them as Jews, that the secular society followed by saying the
Jews could not live among them, and the Nazis ultimately said the Jews
may not live. Is this a valid view of the progression of ideas that
led to the Holocaust and, if so, how did this progression develop and
what, if any, leaps of logic or inconsistencies took place during the
process?
Accounting for the Holocaust
Accounting for the Holocaust, deciphering and explaining the social
and moral conditions that led up to it, has prompted all sorts of
theories. It is more than an academic question for if the same
conditions occur again will we be able to forestall another Holocaust?
Also, how could one of the world's most advanced nations become the
seat of such cruelty and depravity? What ideas were in place in the
German culture that led to this tragedy? How did these ideas gain
enough of a following among the European people to produce such a
hideous atrocity? These are important questions. They deserve serious
answers, and we will now attempt to shed some light on the issues.
The Church and Anti-Semitism
First, we need to look at the record of the early Christian church.
The early church was zealous in its efforts to convert both Jews and
Gentiles. The Jews were a major stumbling block because of their
resistance to conversion, their unwillingness to accept Jesus Christ
as their Messiah. The first anti-Jewish policy started in the fourth
century A.D. in Rome under Constantine. Comparing the anti-Jewish
measures of the early Catholic Church canonical law with the
anti-Jewish measures of the Nazi regime in the 1930s and early forties
reveals a striking similarity. As soon as Christianity became the
state religion of Rome, in the fourth century A.D., Jewish equality of
citizenship was ended. Over the centuries this eventually led to
expulsion of the Jews and the establishment of ghettos in Rome in the
1800s in which the Jews were incarcerated.{4}
The Roman Catholic church deviated greatly from the teachings of Jesus
Christ as demonstrated in the parable of the good Samaritan and other
lessons from the life and ministry of Christ found in the gospels of
the New Testament. Christ's teaching was the ethic of love and the
only individuals He dealt with severely were those Jewish Pharisees
and Scribes who were hypocrites. The attacks of the Apostle Paul were
directed at the Judaizers (Phil. 3:2) who were trying to oppose the
spread of Christianity among the Gentiles. The Judaizers often
described the gentiles as dogs, so Paul called the Judaizers dogs.
Paul was not attacking all Jews, but only those actively opposing the
teachings of Christ.
But all the blame does not fall upon the Catholic church. Martin
Luther and some other reformers in Germany were guilty of
communicating an ever increasing anti-Jewish perspective.{5} Clearly,
Jews were perceived as enemies of Christendom by many church leaders,
but it is a huge leap from considering someone an enemy of your cause
to seeing them as a non-person whom you are free to dispose of at
will.
In today's culture, you may consider yourself to be anti-Nazi or
anti-skinheads. This means you avidly oppose all that they stand for,
but it does not mean you would actively pursue their physical demise,
except in just retribution for their personal actions. In fact, if you
saw one of them in physical danger, you would probably take action to
protect them, possibly at your own personal risk. The Catholic church
and many fathers of the reformation may be guilty of anti-Semitism,
but that does not provide the foundation necessary to set the stage
for the events to follow. The far greater question is how one arrives
at the Nazi position of annihilation or "the final solution" to the
"Jewish Problem"? That is, how did the German people come to the point
of seeing the Jews as non-persons whom they could dispose of at will?
What ideas came in to corrupt the thinking of a people steeped in
church culture?
The Real Culprit: Atheistic Naturalism
At this point we must bring in a completely different world view, that
of atheistic naturalism. Atheism is the doctrine that denies or
disbelieves the existence of God or divine beings. Naturalism, which
goes hand in hand with atheism, is the belief that all truth is
derived from a study of natural processes. All action is based on
natural instincts and desires. Only the natural elements of the world
are taken into account, the supernatural or spiritual is excluded.
Machiavelli's Evil Influence
To set the stage for a naturalistic world view, one could go all the
way back to Niccolo Machiavelli (1469-1527), a great voice in the
revival of the ancient view of political naturalism or power ethics,
long suppressed in the Western world by the impact of the early
Christian church. Machiavelli's most influential work, The Prince, was
significant because it helped to mold modern minds and, in turn,
modern history. His theme was plain: the ruler "who wants to keep his
post must learn how not to be good, and use that knowledge, or refrain
from using it, as necessity requires."{6} In other words, do what you
need to do to preserve your position and don't concern yourself with
what is the ethical thing to do.
The Downward Spiral Continues
The ethical stance that whatever strengthens the state is right had a
great influence on the thinking of Thomas Hobbes (1588-1679). Hobbes,
although heavily influenced by the ideas of Machiavelli, was also
influenced by the revived Epicurean ideas of pleasure. Epicurean
philosophy is centered around the goal of maximizing pleasure and
minimizing pain. Thomas Hobbes developed the idea of good being what
we like and evil what we dislike, as well as the idea that
self-preservation is achieved through the sovereign state. In Hobbes
we can trace the merging of Machiavelli's power ethics philosophy with
the Epicurean philosophy of pleasure.
The teaching of Hobbes influenced others such as Friedrich Nietzsche
(1844-1900), Karl Marx (1819-1883), and Friedrich Engels (1820-1895).
From this group came the power politics of men like Lenin, Stalin,
Hitler, and Mussolini. In fact, Hitler personally presented a copy of
Nietzsche's works to Benito Mussolini, and Mussolini submitted a
thesis on Machiavelli for his doctor's degree.
From Neitzsche to Auschwitz (and the Gulag)
There is a need to take a much closer look at the ideas espoused by
Nietzsche, since he became the primary influencer of two divergent
world views or paradigms, both antagonistic toward the Jews and both
responsible for the murder of countless millions of innocent people.
One line leads to the fascism of Hitler and Mussolini, while the other
leads to the communism of Lenin and Stalin. Nietzsche had a profound
impact upon Hitler and subsequent politicians of power.
Although atheism has never lacked a spokesman, German philosopher
Friedrich Nietzsche shines forth as the one who changed the flow of
history with his eloquent presentations leading to the "death of God."
"There will be wars," Nietzsche had written, "such as have never been
waged on earth. I foresee something terrible. Chaos everywhere.
Nothing left which is of any value, nothing which commands: 'Thou
shalt!'" Nietzsche and others prefigured and predicted the moral
nihilism of the twentieth century, the revolt against reason and the
limitless pursuit of the irrational. Nazi Germany materialized the
progression toward this chaos.{7} "Nietzsche despised religion in
general, and Christianity in particular. So profound and operative was
Nietzsche's philosophy upon Hitler, that it provided the conceptual
framework for his demogogical onslaught to obliterate the weak and
inferior of this world."{8} Hitler's hatred of Christians was second
only to his hatred of Jews and Gypsies.
Nietzsche was quick to attack the ethics of love as taught by Christ
in the Beatitudes from the Sermon on the Mount. He believed that if
mankind sought to show responsibility toward the poor and weak, then
the losers would be in control. He predicted that the twentieth
century would become the bloodiest century in history and that
universal madness would break out. Hitler and Stalin brought forth the
reality of his predictions.
In Nietzschean terms, the cause--atheism, and the result-- violence
and hedonism, are as logically connected as the chronological
connection between Hitler's announcement of his intent in Mein Kampf,
and the hell ushered in by the Third Reich.{9} Hitler took Nietzsche's
logic and drove the atheistic world view to its legitimate conclusion.
Even though there was anti-Semitism both in the Catholic church and
expressed by reformation leaders, it was atheistic naturalism that
provided the real power behind the Holocaust. In seeking to blame both
the church and atheistic naturalism for providing the ideas that led
to the Holocaust, how does one reconcile the huge antithesis between
the two totally opposing world views?
One cannot, except to say that the weakness, or failure of the church
to maintain biblical standards allowed for the inroads of
anti-Semitism. The biblical position is totally at odds with the
actions of the Holocaust. As we address the church, we can say the
Holocaust may not have happened if the church had maintained obedience
to biblical teaching, for love is the ultimate norm of the Christian
ethic (Matt. 22:37-40).
But to the atheistic naturalists, we must say, you have faithfully
followed out both the ideology and logical conclusions of your
position.
The mass murder of the Jews was the consummation of his (Hitler's)
fundamental beliefs and ideological position.{10}
There is a world of difference in the lessons to be learned from the
two positions. The naturalist's hope is in man and looks at the world
accordingly. The Christian's hope is in God and sees man as sinful.
History bears witness to both the sinfulness and failure of man, i.e.,
history validates the Christian position and destroys the naturalist's
position. The naturalist's only hope is in education. What hope does
education give us for preventing another Holocaust? We will examine
the hope of education and the true nature of man.
Is Education Really Our Best Hope?
The philosophy of atheistic naturalism can logically lead to the
excesses of the Nazi and Communist regimes. Since this is true, howare
we to prevent such horrors from happening again?
Many today believe the answer lies in education. Education does an
excellent job of teaching us how to best do what we already believe
in, but it does a dismal job of helping us see what it is that we
should believe. It is at this very point that we realize the need for
transcendent truth.
Man's Greatest Need
Man's greatest need is for a redemptive truth beyond himself. The
murder of millions has been perpetuated by some of the most educated,
cultured people in the world. While up to 12,000 people a day were
being obliterated at the Auschwitz camps, the builders of those state
of the art camps were enthralled by the music of Wagner. They had the
best of education and of culture. The Bible tells us that the nature
of man is flawed and that without help from beyond ourselves we are
doomed to eternal death. Even Bernard Shaw recognized this problem as
sin when he wrote:
The first prison I ever saw had inscribed over it "Cease to do evil,
learn to do well": but as the inscription was on the outside, the
prisoners could not read it. It should have been addressed to the
self-righteous free spectator in the street, and should have read,
"All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."{11}
We all stand naked and guilty before God. Romans 3:10 says that "There
is none righteous, no not one." If the Holocaust did nothing else, it
did strip away all illusions about the refined nature of man. Only
when we are prepared to come humbly before God and confess our sin and
ask for forgiveness and deliverance can we have a hope for the future.
Speaking to the Jewish people, God said in 2 Chronicles 7:14, "If my
people, who are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray,
and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear
from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."
This is a promise that all those who belong to the kingdom of God can
apply and claim.
Conclusion
In conclusion, we are drawn to say that the Nazi's "final solution"
was the untimely child of the union of Christian anti- Semitism and
German nationalism,{12} but Christian anti-Semitism is an oxymoron and
is the product of an disobedient church, be it Catholic or Protestant.
Jesus Christ, the One we adore was a Jew, the Apostles from whom we
have the New Testament Scriptures were Jews, and all the teaching of
the New Testament is built upon the foundation of Jewish Old Testament
Scriptures. In contrast, the anti-Semitism of Nazi Germany was the
logical conclusion to the ideology that German nationalism was built
upon, that of atheistic naturalism.
Therefore, the anti-Semitism of the church became the convenient,
albeit invalid, excuse while the real reason for the Holocaust was the
atheistic anti-Semitism of German nationalism based on a naturalistic
world view.
Notes
1. John Conroy, "Beyond One Man's Heroism," Dallas Morning News,
Sunday, 10 July 1994, Section G, page 1.
2. Pauline B. Yearwood, "Reminders from a `Schindler Jew,'" Dallas
Morning News, Sunday, 10 July 1994, Section G, page 1.
3. Adolf Hitler, "My Political Testament," NCA, 6, Doc. 3569-PS, pp.
258-63.
4. Raul Hilberg, The Destruction of the European Jews (New York:
Harper & Row, 1961), pp. 5-6.
5. Peter J. Haas, Morality After Auschwitz (Philadelphia: Fortress
Press, 1988), p. 20.
6. Niccolo Machiavelli, The Prince (New York: W. W. Norton & Co.,
Inc., 1977), p. 44.
7. Nora Levin, The Holocaust: The Destruction of European Jewry
1933-1945 (New York: Schoken Books, 1973), p. xiii.
8. Ravi Zacharias, A Shattered Visage: The Real Face of Atheism (Grand
Rapids, Mich.: Baker Books, 1990), p. 17.
9. Ibid., p. 26.
10. Lucy S. Dawidowicz, The War Against the Jews: 1933-1945 (New York:
Bantam Books, 1986), p. 3.
11. Bernard Shaw, Preface to "Imprisonment" in English Local
Government quoted in Making Moral Decisions, ed. D. M. MacKinnon
(London: SPCK, 1969), p. 67.
12. Dawidowicz, p. 23.
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"Words of Truth" <wordsoftruth417@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Too bad for you and Cotton that Hitler was a Catholic, isn't it, Raytard?
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11 Dec 2004 02:52:12 PM |
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The "Holocaust" is a tool that homosexual zionists, through their control
of the American TV networks and major newspaper, have used to pervert the
American system to work for Israel and the Jews. There are many, many
examples of Christian holocausts which have killed ten or a hundred times
of the number of Jews alledgedly killed, but you won't hear and see about
them in school, or on TV or in the papers.
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Visit the Christian Defense League Website
http://www.cdlreport.com/
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11 Dec 2004 03:51:12 PM |
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"Alabama Pete" <psmith@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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The "Holocaust" is a tool that homosexual zionists, through their control
of the American TV networks and major newspaper, have used to pervert the
American system to work for Israel and the Jews. There are many, many
examples of Christian holocausts which have killed ten or a hundred times
of the number of Jews alledgedly killed, but you won't hear and see about
them in school, or on TV or in the papers.
Cites?
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Alabama Pete" <psmith@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:Xns95BC97430B48B88@64.164.98.29...
The "Holocaust" is a tool that homosexual zionists, through their control
of the American TV networks and major newspaper, have used to pervert the
American system to work for Israel and the Jews. There are many, many
examples of Christian holocausts which have killed ten or a hundred times
of the number of Jews alledgedly killed, but you won't hear and see about
them in school, or on TV or in the papers.
Cites?
Oh, surely you jest!
Let me rephrase that.
"Oh,Robyn, you jest!"
Susan
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| User: "Ash" |
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12 Dec 2004 02:07:49 AM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Alabama Pete" <psmith@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:Xns95BC97430B48B88@64.164.98.29...
The "Holocaust" is a tool that homosexual zionists, through their control
of the American TV networks and major newspaper, have used to pervert the
American system to work for Israel and the Jews. There are many, many
examples of Christian holocausts which have killed ten or a hundred times
of the number of Jews alledgedly killed, but you won't hear and see about
them in school, or on TV or in the papers.
Well, prayer was banned from public chools, that must be considered as
bad as killing 60 million
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| User: "Riain Y. Barton" |
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12 Dec 2004 06:33:16 AM |
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Prayer was not banned from public schools!!!
A school official may not lead prayers or make students or employees pray,
therefore not infringing on personal beliefs, and respecting and being
tolerant of everyone's individuality and the diversity that exists in most
public schools.
"Ash" <ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Robibnikoff wrote:
| > "Alabama Pete" <psmith@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
| > news:Xns95BC97430B48B88@64.164.98.29...
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| >>The "Holocaust" is a tool that homosexual zionists, through their
control
| >>of the American TV networks and major newspaper, have used to pervert
the
| >>American system to work for Israel and the Jews. There are many, many
| >>examples of Christian holocausts which have killed ten or a hundred
times
| >>of the number of Jews alledgedly killed, but you won't hear and see
about
| >>them in school, or on TV or in the papers.
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| Well, prayer was banned from public chools, that must be considered as
| bad as killing 60 million
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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13 Dec 2004 08:08:57 PM |
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"Riain Y. Barton" <riain@riain.us> wrote in message
news:8p6dnXt5GrBlpCHcRVn-ow@comcast.com...
Prayer was not banned from public schools!!!
A school official may not lead prayers or make students or employees pray,
therefore not infringing on personal beliefs, and respecting and being
tolerant of everyone's individuality and the diversity that exists in most
public schools.
We all know s/he meant "organized/official prayer."
Susan
"Ash" <ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cpgu8d$evn$2@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
| Robibnikoff wrote:
| > "Alabama Pete" <psmith@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
| > news:Xns95BC97430B48B88@64.164.98.29...
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| >>The "Holocaust" is a tool that homosexual zionists, through their
control
| >>of the American TV networks and major newspaper, have used to pervert
the
| >>American system to work for Israel and the Jews. There are many, many
| >>examples of Christian holocausts which have killed ten or a hundred
times
| >>of the number of Jews alledgedly killed, but you won't hear and see
about
| >>them in school, or on TV or in the papers.
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| >
| Well, prayer was banned from public chools, that must be considered as
| bad as killing 60 million
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| User: "Riain Y. Barton" |
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14 Dec 2004 01:42:06 AM |
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Say what you mean and mean what you say!
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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| "Riain Y. Barton" <riain@riain.us> wrote in message
| news:8p6dnXt5GrBlpCHcRVn-ow@comcast.com...
| > Prayer was not banned from public schools!!!
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| > A school official may not lead prayers or make students or employees
pray,
| > therefore not infringing on personal beliefs, and respecting and being
| > tolerant of everyone's individuality and the diversity that exists in
most
| > public schools.
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| We all know s/he meant "organized/official prayer."
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| Susan
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| > "Ash" <ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
| > news:cpgu8d$evn$2@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
| > | Robibnikoff wrote:
| > | > "Alabama Pete" <psmith@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
| > | > news:Xns95BC97430B48B88@64.164.98.29...
| > | >
| > | >>The "Holocaust" is a tool that homosexual zionists, through their
| > control
| > | >>of the American TV networks and major newspaper, have used to
pervert
| > the
| > | >>American system to work for Israel and the Jews. There are many,
many
| > | >>examples of Christian holocausts which have killed ten or a hundred
| > times
| > | >>of the number of Jews alledgedly killed, but you won't hear and see
| > about
| > | >>them in school, or on TV or in the papers.
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| > | >
| > | Well, prayer was banned from public chools, that must be considered as
| > | bad as killing 60 million
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14 Dec 2004 04:45:43 AM |
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Irony is to American what chess set is to Boulder.
Riain Y. Barton wrote:
Say what you mean and mean what you say!
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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| "Riain Y. Barton" <riain@riain.us> wrote in message
| news:8p6dnXt5GrBlpCHcRVn-ow@comcast.com...
| > Prayer was not banned from public schools!!!
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| > A school official may not lead prayers or make students or employees
pray,
| > therefore not infringing on personal beliefs, and respecting and being
| > tolerant of everyone's individuality and the diversity that exists in
most
| > public schools.
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| We all know s/he meant "organized/official prayer."
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| Susan
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| > "Ash" <ashamanic@winterfell73.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
| > news:cpgu8d$evn$2@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
| > | Robibnikoff wrote:
| > | > "Alabama Pete" <psmith@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
| > | > news:Xns95BC97430B48B88@64.164.98.29...
| > | >
| > | >>The "Holocaust" is a tool that homosexual zionists, through their
| > control
| > | >>of the American TV networks and major newspaper, have used to
pervert
| > the
| > | >>American system to work for Israel and the Jews. There are many,
many
| > | >>examples of Christian holocausts which have killed ten or a hundred
| > times
| > | >>of the number of Jews alledgedly killed, but you won't hear and see
| > about
| > | >>them in school, or on TV or in the papers.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | Well, prayer was banned from public chools, that must be considered as
| > | bad as killing 60 million
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| User: "The Terminologist" |
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11 Dec 2004 03:09:07 PM |
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Alabama Pete wrote:
The "Holocaust" is a tool that homosexual zionists, through their control
of the American TV networks and major newspaper, have used to pervert the
American system to work for Israel and the Jews. There are many, many
examples of Christian holocausts which have killed ten or a hundred times
of the number of Jews alledgedly killed, but you won't hear and see about
them in school, or on TV or in the papers.
Irony is lost on most Americans, Pete.
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| User: "John Ings" |
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11 Dec 2004 06:37:57 AM |
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On 10 Dec 2004 18:25:50 -0800, (Words of
Truth) wrote:
But all the blame does not fall upon the Catholic church. Martin
Luther and some other reformers in Germany were guilty of
communicating an ever increasing anti-Jewish perspective.{5} Clearly,
Jews were perceived as enemies of Christendom by many church leaders,
but it is a huge leap from considering someone an enemy of your cause
to seeing them as a non-person whom you are free to dispose of at
will.
No leap. Here is Luther on the subject:
"What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people,
the Jews? Since they live among us, we dare not tolerate their
conduct, now that we are aware of their lying and reviling and
blaspheming. If we do, we become sharers in their lies, cursing and
blasphemy. Thus we cannot extinguish the unquenchable fire of divine
wrath, of which the prophets speak, nor can we convert the Jews. With
prayer and the fear of God we must practice a sharp mercy to see
whether we might save at least a few from the glowing flames. We dare
not avenge ourselves. Vengeance a thousand times worse than we could
wish them already has them by the throat. I shall give you my sincere
advice:
"First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and
cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again
see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord
and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and
do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and
blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we
tolerated in the past unknowingly_and I myself was unaware of it_will
be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to
protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before
our very nose, in which they lie about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and
defame Christ and us (as was heard above), it would be the same as if
we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know.
[...]
"Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For
they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they
might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies. This will
bring home to them the fact that they are not masters in our country,
as they boast, but that they are living in exile and in captivity, as
they incessantly wail and lament about us before God.
"Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in
which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught, be taken
from them.
"Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth
on pain of loss of life and limb. For they have justly forfeited the
right to such an office by holding the poor Jews captive with the
saying of Moses (Deuteronomy 17:10) in which he commands them to obey
their teachers on penalty of death, although Moses clearly adds: "what
they teach you in accord with the law of the Lord." Those villains
ignore that. They wantonly employ the poor people's obedience contrary
to the law of the Lord and infuse them with this poison, cursing, and
blasphemy. In the same way the pope also held us captive with the
declaration in Matthew 16:18, "You are Peter," etc., inducing us to
believe all the lies and deceptions that issued from his devilish
mind. He did not teach in accord with the word of God, and therefore
he forfeited the right to teach.
"Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished
completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside,
since they are not lords, officials, tradesmen, or the like. Let them
stay at home. I have heard it said that a rich Jew is now traveling
across the country with twelve horses his ambition is to become a
Kokhba devouring princes, lords, lands, and people with his usury, so
that the great lords view it with jealous eyes. If you great lords and
princes will not forbid such usurers the highway legally, some day a
troop may gather against them, having learned from this booklet the
true nature of the Jews and how one should deal with them and not
protect their activities. For you, too, must not and cannot protect
them unless you wish to become participants in an their abominations
in the sight of God. Consider carefully what good could come from
this, and prevent it.
"Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash
and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them and put aside for
safekeeping. The reason for such a measure is that, as said above,
they have no other means of earning a livelihood than usury, and by it
they have stolen and robbed from us an they possess. Such money should
now be used in no other way than the following: Whenever a Jew is
sincerely converted, he should be handed one hundred, two hundred, or
three hundred florins, as personal circumstances may suggest. With
this he could set himself up in some occupation for the support of his
poor wife and children, and the maintenance of the old or feeble. For
such evil gains are cursed if they are not put to use with God's
blessing in a good and worthy cause.
[...]
Seventh, I recommend putting a flail, an ax, a *****, a spade, a
distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and
Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow,
as was imposed on the children of Adam (Gen. 3 [:19]). For it is not
fitting that they should let us accursed Goyim toil in the sweat of
our faces while they, the holy people, idle away their time behind the
stove, feasting and farting., and on top of all, boasting
blasphemously of their lordship over the Christians by means of our
sweat. No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their
pants."
From "On the Jews and Their Lies" by Martin Luther 1543
Full text at
<http://www.humanitas-international.org/showcase/chronography/documents/luther-jews.htm>
If you can't hear jackboots marching in the background while reading
that, you're ethically deaf.
## Faith proceeds from fear, by way of conceit, to hatred
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10 Dec 2004 11:44:25 PM |
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On 10 Dec 2004 18:25:50 -0800, (Words of
Truth) wrote:
The Holocaust: Ideas and Their Consequences
Amazing: you can't even get past the title without committing a
logical fallacy.
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| User: "The Terminologist" |
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11 Dec 2004 05:05:04 AM |
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Turds of Wrath wrote:
The Holocaust: Ideas and Their Consequences
Ray Cotton
Ray Cotton is the former finance director and treasurer of Probe
Ministries. He received a B.S. in business administration/management
science from the University of Northern Colorado, a certificate in
Christian studies from the Center for Advanced Biblical Studies, and
an M.A. in interdisciplinary studies at the University of Texas at
Dallas. He now serves in a ministry to international students. He can
be reached at
I left this bit in because it betrays the author's lack of academic
credentials. The rest, where Mr Cotton mainly re-invents the wheel and
uses no analytical tools whatsoever, has been snipped. For the full
horrors, read the original posting.
The real cause of the Jewish holocaust: Hitler - a rabid antisemite,
confused fool, gangster and intellectual midget - became the German
Chancellor.
His 'ideas' were a confused hotch-potch of cherry-picked ideas from
Catholicism, Teutonic mythology, half-baked economic analysis, junk
science and paranoia.
Hitler became chancellor because his band of barely politicised
gangsters received a lot of support from the German middle classes and
the desperate unemployed.
They were also umbilically funded by an international coalition of
industrial capitalists and financiers who were scared of the apparent
rise of 'bolshevism' in Europe. They also saw a huge potential market in
the re-arming of Germany.
German nationalism and ethnocentrism, having won the day, pursued its
pseudo-intellectual agenda with great gusto, plagiarising the core
justification for racism: eugenics, a doctrine based not on the work of
Darwin but that of Francis Galton.
This led them to believe not only in racial purity but the need to weed
the congenitally disabled out of the German bloodstock, which led to the
sterilisation programme, which proved too costly and was transformed
into the euthanasia programme.
If all of this sounds a little glib, it is because I am trying to make
it simple enough for the likes of T.O.W. who can only 'understand'
things in terms of dogma to get their heads round.
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11 Dec 2004 10:06:23 AM |
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Words of Truth wrote:
The Holocaust: Ideas and Their Consequences
Ray Cotton
Ray Cotton is the former finance director and treasurer of Probe
Ministries. He received a B.S. in business administration/management
science from the University of Northern Colorado, a certificate in
Christian studies from the Center for Advanced Biblical Studies, and
an M.A. in interdisciplinary studies at the University of Texas at
Dallas. He now serves in a ministry to international students. He can
be reached at
More agitprop from xians.
The Holocaust was just another xian pogrom is all.
That is why Hiteler's Mein Kampf repeatedly invoke's
god against the jews. Hitler was playing off the old, old
bigotries of Christianity as derived from Matthew, Mark,
Luke and John.
Each and every Nazi soldier had an offical German army belt buckle
which read "God Mitt Uns". God is with us.
And that is it in a nutshell. Christian pogrom based on regilous
hatred taken to its logical conclusion.
If there had never been Christianity, theer would never have been
anti-Semitism, no Martin Luther, no Hitler urging Christian Germany
on to one more pogrom.
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Apes bad! Dust good!
Apes bad! Dust good!
21st Century American Christianity
in a nutshell.
Cheerful Charlie
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