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The Holy Trinity of God explained-Theological Bible Message
Alright all you Christians on the Internet, hold up your bibles and say
this like you mean it. You ready?
This is my bible
I am what it says I am
I have what it says I have
I can do what it says I can do
Today I will be taught the Word of God
I boldly confess that my mind is alert and my heart is receptive
I am about to receive the incorruptible, indestructible seed of the Word
of God.
I will never be the same
Never Never Never
I will never be the same
In Jesus name
The Holy Trinity seems like the most heated debate point in these
Newsgroups, so for this message I will quote only from the KJV and NKJV
since this is the favored translation of my opponents.
Verse #1
KJV
[1Jn 5:7] For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father,
the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
NKJV
[1Jn 5:7] For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father,
the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
This is a verse that seems to be removed from all other non KJV
translations. I do not understand why since its definitely the most
explicit of all verses of evidence of a trinity. Trinity critics will
argue that because the theological word is never explicitly mentioned in
the bible, then this must make it a false doctrine.
Some words not explicitly mentioned in the bible but whose concept is
taught in scripture.
Bible-The Holy Word of God.
General Revelation-God reveals himself through the creation
Special Revelation-God reveals himself through the person of Jesus Christ
Omnipresence-God is present everywhere
Trinity- God is revealed in 3 distinct persons all with the same
substance and nature.
These are just some samples, but looking in my theological dictionary
there are literally dozens of words that I could use. It amazes me that
the trinity critics do not know this. Many of them fail to understand
principles and concepts. They take everything as black and white and
cannot think beyond this.
Verse #2
[2Co 13:14] The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and
the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.
[2Co 13:14] The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and
the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen.
How can anyone looking at the above doubt the trinity in such a passage?
Is not the Holy Trinity of God spelled out perfectly above?
Passage #3
[Mt 12:18] Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my
soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall show
judgment to the Gentiles.
If God is not a trinity then why would God say that He will put his
spirit upon Jesus in this passage? I ask this of the Trinity critics.
If the Holy Spirit is not part of God then why would God claim here in
this passage that He has a spirit?
Passage #4
[Ge 1:26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our
likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over
the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and
over every creeping thing that crept upon the earth.
The "use" and the "our" used above in the plural to indicate a being
greater than man and greater than anything God has created. For nothing
in the creation can create like God can. I have heard my trinity
critics claim that this verse is a "plural of Majesty." I do not see
this being taught in scripture.
There are literally dozen and dozens more passages in scripture that
speak of a Trinity of God. Please do check these out on your own.
From NAVES TOPICAL BIBLE
Trinity, The Holy
Ge 1:26; 3:22; Isa 6:3,8; 11:2-3; 42:1; Mt 12:18; Isa 48:16; 61:1-3; Lk
4:18; Isa 63:9-10; Mt 1:18,20; 3:11; Mk 1:8; Lk 3:16; Mt 12:28; 28:19;
Lk 1:35; 3:22; Mt 3:16; Lk 4:1,14; Jn 1:32-33; 3:34- 35; 7:39;
14:16-17,26; 15:26; 16:7,13-15; 20:22; Ac 1:2,4-5; 2:33; 10:36-38; Ro
1:3-4; 8:9-11,26- 27; 1Co 2:10-11; 6:19; 8:6; 12:3-6; 2Co 1:21-22; 5:5;
3:17; 13:14; Ga 4:4,6; Phl 1:19; Col 2:2; 2Th 2:13-14,16; 1Ti 3:16; Tit
3:4-6; Heb 9:14; 1Pe 1:2; 3:18; 1Jn 5:6-7; Rev 4:8 See God; Holy Spirit;
Jesus, The Christ
I hope this brief bible message is of help. Soon I will depart for a
season until the Lord calls me back.
John
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CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries
http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/
John 14:6 Jesus answered, ³I am the way and
the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father
except through me.
AIM-Crucifyself03
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| User: "Just Mark" |
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| Title: Re: The Holy Trinity of God explained-Theological Bible Message |
22 Dec 2005 09:35:37 AM |
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"Bible John" <john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote in message
news:john.doggett-397485.00263822122005@news.supernews.com...
The Holy Trinity of God explained-Theological Bible Message
Alright all you Christians on the Internet, hold up your bibles and say
this like you mean it. You ready?
This is my bible
It's just a book.
I am what it says I am
I am what I decide to be.
I have what it says I have
I have what I earn.
I can do what it says I can do
I can do whatever I decide to do.
Today I will be taught the Word of God
Today, John Wolf will (once again) make a fool of himself.
I boldly confess that my mind is alert and my heart is receptive
I unequivocably assert that my mind is my own, and my heart has a slight
triclyceride issue (nothing a little exercise won't settle).
I am about to receive the incorruptible, indestructible seed of the Word
of God.
I am about to be subjected to John Wolf's drooling lunacy.
I will never be the same
I will be the same, or different...it's my choice, dammit.
Never Never Never
"I do believe in fairies! I do! I do!" ::rolls eyes::
I will never be the same
See above.
In Jesus name
Or Zoroaster, or Mithras...
The Holy Trinity seems like the most heated debate point in these
Newsgroups, so for this message I will quote only from the KJV and NKJV
since this is the favored translation of my opponents.
Non-sequitur: "Controversy exists, therefore I will use these versions."
Makes no sense.
Verse #1
KJV
[1Jn 5:7] For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father,
the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
NKJV
[1Jn 5:7] For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father,
the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
This is a verse that seems to be removed from all other non KJV
translations. I do not understand why since its definitely the most
explicit of all verses of evidence of a trinity. Trinity critics will
argue that because the theological word is never explicitly mentioned in
the bible, then this must make it a false doctrine.
That'd be because, BIBLE John, the words, "testify in heaven: the Father,
the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. And there are three
that testify on earth:," don't even appear for the first time until the 16th
Century, BIBLE John. It's a fact, BIBLE John. You should really do your
homework better, BIBLE John.
Some words not explicitly mentioned in the bible but whose concept is
taught in scripture.
And entire verses don't even show up until 16 Centuries after the alleged
events...but, be that as it may--
Bible-The Holy Word of God.
Nowhere does that book claim such a thing for itself. It was cobbled
together by a committee (that's right: a COMMITTEE!), and we don't even have
the final product that the agreed upon. Stuff has dropped in and out of the
canon for centuries.
General Revelation-God reveals himself through the creation
Ah yes, Romans 1. Couldn't be that a Bronze Age clergyman was mistaken,
could it?
Special Revelation-God reveals himself through the person of Jesus Christ
You'd have to prove that Jesus existed in the first place. Good luck.
Omnipresence-God is present everywhere
Which explains why every time I open my eyes, I can see him. Wait... No, I
can't after all.
Trinity- God is revealed in 3 distinct persons all with the same
substance and nature.
So, God is a set of triplets? Too bad there isn't a fourth--they'd make a
great barbershop quartet.
These are just some samples, but looking in my theological dictionary
there are literally dozens of words that I could use. It amazes me that
the trinity critics do not know this. Many of them fail to understand
principles and concepts. They take everything as black and white and
cannot think beyond this.
LOL! Look who's talking....Mr. "By-God-Fundamentalist". You know what
amazes me? That a kid who just barely graduated from a barely accredited
bible college thinks he has earned the right to be heard on ANY topic, let
alone THIS one. *That's* amazing!
Verse #2
[2Co 13:14] The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and
the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.
[2Co 13:14] The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and
the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen.
How can anyone looking at the above doubt the trinity in such a passage?
Is not the Holy Trinity of God spelled out perfectly above?
The grace of somebody who probably didn't exist, and the love of somebody
who probably doesn't exist, and the communion of something that doesn't even
make sense, be with you all. Oh yeah. Spelled out just perfectly....if
you're psychotic!
Passage #3
[Mt 12:18] Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my
soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall show
judgment to the Gentiles.
If God is not a trinity then why would God say that He will put his
spirit upon Jesus in this passage? I ask this of the Trinity critics.
If the Holy Spirit is not part of God then why would God claim here in
this passage that He has a spirit?
Superstitious crap. Who cares?
Passage #4
[Ge 1:26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our
likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over
the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and
over every creeping thing that crept upon the earth.
The "use" and the "our" used above in the plural to indicate a being
greater than man and greater than anything God has created. For nothing
in the creation can create like God can. I have heard my trinity
critics claim that this verse is a "plural of Majesty." I do not see
this being taught in scripture.
That's precisely your problem. You think you have it all figured out, and
you say so at every opportunity. Funny how scholars with multiple Ph.D.'s
do precisely the opposite. It's as if those who should know admit that they
don't know, and those who don't know run their mouths about how much they
think they know.
There are literally dozen and dozens more passages in scripture that
speak of a Trinity of God. Please do check these out on your own.
From NAVES TOPICAL BIBLE
Aptly named. Just missing the letter "K".
Trinity, The Holy
Ge 1:26; 3:22; Isa 6:3,8; 11:2-3; 42:1; Mt 12:18; Isa 48:16; 61:1-3; Lk
4:18; Isa 63:9-10; Mt 1:18,20; 3:11; Mk 1:8; Lk 3:16; Mt 12:28; 28:19;
Lk 1:35; 3:22; Mt 3:16; Lk 4:1,14; Jn 1:32-33; 3:34- 35; 7:39;
14:16-17,26; 15:26; 16:7,13-15; 20:22; Ac 1:2,4-5; 2:33; 10:36-38; Ro
1:3-4; 8:9-11,26- 27; 1Co 2:10-11; 6:19; 8:6; 12:3-6; 2Co 1:21-22; 5:5;
3:17; 13:14; Ga 4:4,6; Phl 1:19; Col 2:2; 2Th 2:13-14,16; 1Ti 3:16; Tit
3:4-6; Heb 9:14; 1Pe 1:2; 3:18; 1Jn 5:6-7; Rev 4:8 See God; Holy Spirit;
Jesus, The Christ
I hope this brief bible message is of help. Soon I will depart for a
season until the Lord calls me back.
Here he goes again, getting all "spiritual".
You don't fool anybody but yourself, John. A real man sets firm
commitments, and doesn't use weasel words like "soon" and "for a season".
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| User: "Pastor Steve Winter" |
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| Title: Re: The Holy Trinity of God explained-Theological Bible Message |
22 Dec 2005 11:20:44 AM |
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Bible John <john.doggett@x-files.gov> spake thusly and wrote:
The Holy Trinity of God explained-Theological Bible Message
See also: "Devilish deceiver John Wolf rejects Jesus Christ"
and "Re: John Wolf's criminal harassment"
Whether Satan's servants like John Wolf call their polytheistic
philosophies "trinitarianism", "triunity", or whatever
smokescreen or deception... .Whether they philosophize about
pies being sliced or apples being diced...
The bottom line is that they REJECT Jesus name baptism for the
remission of sins as preached and practiced by the Apostles and
ALL real Christians since then.
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized,
and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Jesus name baptism remits sins!
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized
every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of
sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children,
and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God
shall call.
Those that really receive the Word of God are baptized in Jesus
name.
Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were
baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three
thousand souls.
We have all of these proofs that the Apostles baptised using the
Name of Jesus. It astounds me how these trinity preachers can
deceive souls into believing that their filthy false preacher
knows more than the Apostles!
Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things
concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they
were baptized, both men and women.
Acts 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they
were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be
baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of
the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye
baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism.
Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism
of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe
on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Paul told them to believe on Jesus and what did they immediately
understand that meant?
Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name
of the Lord Jesus.
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into
Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Paul taught baptism in Jesus Name, but he found that he should
let the local preachers do the baptizing. They were not
baptised in the name of Paul, but rather, in the Name of Jesus.
But we can gain insight from this that a singular NAME was used
in baptism.
1 Corinthians 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for
you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
1 Corinthians 1:14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but
Crispus and Gaius;
1 Corinthians 1:15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in
mine own name.
1 Corinthians 1:16 And I baptized also the household of
Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
The Bible is so clear in it's warning against trinitarianism.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and
vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of
the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead
bodily.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all
principality and power:
Trinitarian false-christian filth like John Wolf like to publish
page after page of their garbage polytheistic philosophies.
Guess what? Satanic preachers do not want you to put on Christ
by being baptized in Jesus NAME!
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ
have put on Christ.
Why do Satanic preachers like John Wolf want you to reject the
name of Jesus in baptism?
Well....
2 Cor 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers,
transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2 Cor 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed
into an angel of light.
2 Cor 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers
also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end
shall be according to their works.
2 Tim 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse,
deceiving, and being deceived.
Some evil men like John Wolf actually believe the poison
that they try to feed you and seduce you into a comfortable
disobedience to the Bible!
Pastor sTeve Winter http://www.heathenholidays.com
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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| Title: Re: The Holy Trinity of God explained-Theological Bible Message |
22 Dec 2005 02:33:53 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:26:39 -0800, Bible John
<john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote:
Pathetic
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BB
http://www.biblebob.net
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| User: "john w" |
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| Title: Re: The Holy Trinity of God explained-Theological Bible Message |
22 Dec 2005 11:05:13 AM |
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x-no-archive: yes
On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 00:26:39 -0800, Bible John
<john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly; all rights reserved; no portion of
this article may be used elsewhere without express written consent of
the author
The Holy Trinity of God explained-Theological Bible Message
Alright all you Christians on the Internet, hold up your bibles and say
this like you mean it. You ready?
This is my bible
I am what it says I am
I have what it says I have
I can do what it says I can do
Today I will be taught the Word of God
I boldly confess that my mind is alert and my heart is receptive
I am about to receive the incorruptible, indestructible seed of the Word
of God.
I will never be the same
Never Never Never
I will never be the same
In Jesus name
The Holy Trinity seems like the most heated debate point in these
Newsgroups, so for this message I will quote only from the KJV and NKJV
since this is the favored translation of my opponents.
Verse #1
KJV
[1Jn 5:7] For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father,
the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
NKJV
[1Jn 5:7] For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father,
the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
This is a verse that seems to be removed from all other non KJV
translations.
A slight variation of this verse appears in the NIV, which you have
already said you consider perverted and altered.
7 For there are three that testify: 8 the Spirit, the water and the
blood; and the three are in agreement.
And I don't want things worded to please one particular person or POV.
I want it accurate.
The New American (modern Catholic) renders it,
7 Thus there are three that testify,
8 the Spirit and the water and the blood-- and these three are of one
accord.
New Living Translation:
7 So we have these three witnesses --
8 the Spirit, the water, and the blood -- and all three agree.
The Peshitta or Lamsa Translation:
7 And the Spirit testifies that that very Spirit is the truth.
8 And there are three to bear witness, the Spirit and the water and
the blood; and these three are one.
I do not understand why since its definitely the most
explicit of all verses of evidence of a trinity.
Perhaps when you have an M Div and a Th D and a LL D, you will
understand.
Then again, maybe not.
Trinity critics will
argue that because the theological word is never explicitly mentioned in
the bible, then this must make it a false doctrine.
Those who deny the Trinity don't count; they aren't Christians.
And if that is a point of confusion for you, then I question YOUR
Christianity.
Some teachings are core teachings. The Deity of our Lord is one; the
efficacy of the blood is one; the Trinity is one; the fact that Christ
is both the Son and the Father is one; the final authority of the
scriptures as interpreted by the Holy Spirit is one.
You cannot deny ANY of those teachings and be a Christian.
Joel Osteen denies SEVERAL of those teachings, last time I looked.
john w
snip
stopped reading here.
Some words not explicitly mentioned in the bible but whose concept is
taught in scripture.
Bible-The Holy Word of God.
General Revelation-God reveals himself through the creation
Special Revelation-God reveals himself through the person of Jesus Christ
Omnipresence-God is present everywhere
Trinity- God is revealed in 3 distinct persons all with the same
substance and nature.
These are just some samples, but looking in my theological dictionary
there are literally dozens of words that I could use. It amazes me that
the trinity critics do not know this. Many of them fail to understand
principles and concepts. They take everything as black and white and
cannot think beyond this.
Verse #2
[2Co 13:14] The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and
the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.
[2Co 13:14] The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and
the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen.
How can anyone looking at the above doubt the trinity in such a passage?
Is not the Holy Trinity of God spelled out perfectly above?
Passage #3
[Mt 12:18] Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my
soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall show
judgment to the Gentiles.
If God is not a trinity then why would God say that He will put his
spirit upon Jesus in this passage? I ask this of the Trinity critics.
If the Holy Spirit is not part of God then why would God claim here in
this passage that He has a spirit?
Passage #4
[Ge 1:26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our
likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over
the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and
over every creeping thing that crept upon the earth.
The "use" and the "our" used above in the plural to indicate a being
greater than man and greater than anything God has created. For nothing
in the creation can create like God can. I have heard my trinity
critics claim that this verse is a "plural of Majesty." I do not see
this being taught in scripture.
There are literally dozen and dozens more passages in scripture that
speak of a Trinity of God. Please do check these out on your own.
From NAVES TOPICAL BIBLE
Trinity, The Holy
Ge 1:26; 3:22; Isa 6:3,8; 11:2-3; 42:1; Mt 12:18; Isa 48:16; 61:1-3; Lk
4:18; Isa 63:9-10; Mt 1:18,20; 3:11; Mk 1:8; Lk 3:16; Mt 12:28; 28:19;
Lk 1:35; 3:22; Mt 3:16; Lk 4:1,14; Jn 1:32-33; 3:34- 35; 7:39;
14:16-17,26; 15:26; 16:7,13-15; 20:22; Ac 1:2,4-5; 2:33; 10:36-38; Ro
1:3-4; 8:9-11,26- 27; 1Co 2:10-11; 6:19; 8:6; 12:3-6; 2Co 1:21-22; 5:5;
3:17; 13:14; Ga 4:4,6; Phl 1:19; Col 2:2; 2Th 2:13-14,16; 1Ti 3:16; Tit
3:4-6; Heb 9:14; 1Pe 1:2; 3:18; 1Jn 5:6-7; Rev 4:8 See God; Holy Spirit;
Jesus, The Christ
I hope this brief bible message is of help. Soon I will depart for a
season until the Lord calls me back.
John
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| User: "DOC WATSON" |
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| Title: Re: The Holy Trinity of God explained-Theological Bible Message |
22 Dec 2005 06:15:09 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:05:13 -0800, john w <johnw@yow.how> said the
following funny stuff in this here little old news 'froup:
Perhaps when you have an M Div and a Th D and a LL D, you will
understand.
maybe you might, too.......
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Confucious say: "Don't judge people by their relatives!"
Sign in feudin' homestead: "Friends Welcome. Relatives by Appointment.!"
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