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"IknowHimDoYou" |
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13 Dec 2003 11:47:39 AM |
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The Incarnation of Jesus Christ |
The Incarnation of Jesus Christ
As we prepare to celebrate Christmas; that is the nativity or birth of our
Lord and Creator, we should also consider His Incarnation which preceeded
December 25 by 9 months. This date would be September 29. At this
time(and this was celebrated by the early Christians) as the time of His
coming from heaven to earth as the "Seed of the woman" Gen 3:15, where
normally it is the seed of man, thereby implying a virgin conception and
birth). In the Church calander this time is called Michaelmas. All
heaven's creatures sang for joy when this occured and wondered at its true
significance. Never had anything like this occured and never will it
occur again, that God became a man thereby giving us the God-Man as the
Son of God and the Son of Man in one person and the only begotten Son the
Lord Jesus Christ.
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Recte Faciendo Neminem Timeas
Is it opinion? Is it fact? Is it truth?
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| User: "Steve Zodiac" |
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| Title: Re: The Incarnation of Jesus Christ |
14 Dec 2003 10:19:13 AM |
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"IknowHimDoYou" <IknowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IknowHim-1312030947390001@pm4-07.kalama.com...
The Incarnation of Jesus Christ
As we prepare to celebrate Christmas; that is the nativity or birth of our
Lord and Creator, we should also consider His Incarnation which preceeded
December 25 by 9 months.
Dec 25 was a pagan holiday that celebrated the death of the *sun* that died
in the ski (winter solstice) and rose again in 3 days. Just like
christianity itself, christmas owes its roots to paganism.
This date would be September 29.
It would not since no one knows when Jesus was born. Thats because there is
no record of it.
At this
time(and this was celebrated by the early Christians) as the time of His
coming from heaven to earth as the "Seed of the woman" Gen 3:15, where
normally it is the seed of man, thereby implying a virgin conception and
birth).
Similarly , the virgin birth was another pagan myth copied by the early
christians so that they could more easily attract other pagan religions into
their fold.
In the Church calander this time is called Michaelmas. All
heaven's creatures sang for joy when this occured and wondered at its true
significance. Never had anything like this occured and never will it
occur again, that God became a man thereby giving us the God-Man as the
Son of God and the Son of Man in one person and the only begotten Son the
Lord Jesus Christ.
It is a myth and remains a myth. The myth will never occur again because we
are no longer uneducated superstitious goat herders.
Steve Zodiac
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| User: "Thore Schmechtig" |
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| Title: Re: The Incarnation of Jesus Christ |
13 Dec 2003 02:28:04 PM |
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As we prepare to celebrate Christmas; that is the nativity or birth of our
Lord and Creator, we should also consider His Incarnation which preceeded
December 25 by 9 months. This date would be September 29.
(September -) October - November - December.
1, 2, 3.
A Kumquat has enough IQ to realize that this is three months, and that
nine months (better 280 days, because that's the normal time of
pregnancy) before Christmas would be (roughly) MARCH 19th.
Thank you, I-know-*****, for again demonstrating your idiocy.
UNWRITTEN RULES OF FUNDAMENTALISM
1. "I'm right and you are wrong".
2. Never admit that you are wrong, even if you really are.
3. When you have nothing to say, hurl insults.
4. Regard and portray your own violence, whether physical,
psychological,
or verbal, at all times as defensive
5. Be prepared at all times to lie and bluster, particularly when backed
into a corner in an argument
6. Never accept responsibility for any mess you have personally caused.
7. When you are forced to admit to an error, regard the whole process of
error and correction as part of God's personal plan for you and not as a
something for which you should apologise retract or make amends except
verbally and secretly to God himself
8. Always see yourself and you personal actions as part of God's plans
for
the world. Recognise that even your errors are just part of Gods will
for
the betterment of mankind.
9.Profess humility but avoid the actual experience of it.
10.Refuse to take in information that differs from your own view and
oppose all such information through classification of such information
in
a derogatory and simplistic manner(eg by categorising it as left wing
propaganda)
11.Refuse to accept that truth is not black and white; that reality is
complex and there are shades of grey
12.Refuse to forgive anyone else for anything unless you purport to
forgive on behalf of other people unconnected with you for whom you
don't
have that right anyhow.
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| User: "penitent leper" |
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| Title: Re: The Incarnation of Jesus Christ |
13 Dec 2003 06:09:29 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:28:04 +0100, "Thore Schmechtig"
<WRITETOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote:
As we prepare to celebrate Christmas; that is the nativity or birth of our
Lord and Creator, we should also consider His Incarnation which preceeded
December 25 by 9 months. This date would be September 29.
(September -) October - November - December.
1, 2, 3.
A Kumquat has enough IQ to realize that this is three months, and that
nine months (better 280 days, because that's the normal time of
pregnancy) before Christmas would be (roughly) MARCH 19th.
Thank you, I-know-*****, for again demonstrating your idiocy.
snipped for size
The entire subject is nuts to start with. The NT does not picture
an "incarnation of Jesus Christ". John imagines an incarnation of
Logos, and the Synoptic Gospels imagine a descent of the Spirit upon
Jesus.
- pl -
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| User: "The_Sage" |
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| Title: Re: The Incarnation of Jesus Christ |
15 Dec 2003 08:30:19 PM |
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Reply to article by: (IknowHimDoYou)
Date written: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:47:39 -0800
MsgID:<IknowHim-1312030947390001@pm4-07.kalama.com>
The Incarnation of Jesus Christ
As we prepare to celebrate Christmas; that is the nativity or birth of our
Lord and Creator, we should also consider His Incarnation which preceeded
December 25 by 9 months. This date would be September 29.
Sept is three months before Dec, not nine.
The Sage
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: The Incarnation of Jesus Christ |
13 Dec 2003 02:16:25 PM |
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IknowHimDoYou wrote:
The Incarnation of Jesus Christ
As we prepare to celebrate Christmas; that is the nativity or birth of our
Lord and Creator, we should also consider His Incarnation which preceeded
December 25 by 9 months.
===>Some Christians envied the Pagans for their divine emperors
so much, they made a god out of the executed fellow from Galilee, and
even adopted as well as invented such miraculous birth stories about
him.
Testimony to this is the total lack of such stories in the oldest
portions of the "New Testament", i.e. the Pauline letters and
the Markan Gospel. The "virgin birth" idea was copied from Pagan
religions into the revision of MARK, known as the "Matthew"
Gospel. Even "Luke" goes only so far as to insist Jesus' mother
was a virgin AT THE TIME she was told she would have a son.
The entire "virgin birth" idea is totally lacking except for that
fabrication by the author (or final redactor) of the book later
attributed to "Matthew". -- L.
====================================
This date would be September 29. At this
time(and this was celebrated by the early Christians) as the time of His
coming from heaven to earth as the "Seed of the woman" Gen 3:15, where
normally it is the seed of man, thereby implying a virgin conception and
birth). In the Church calander this time is called Michaelmas. All
heaven's creatures sang for joy when this occured and wondered at its true
significance. Never had anything like this occured and never will it
occur again, that God became a man thereby giving us the God-Man as the
Son of God and the Son of Man in one person and the only begotten Son the
Lord Jesus Christ.
--
Recte Faciendo Neminem Timeas
Is it opinion? Is it fact? Is it truth?
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| User: "Stephen Bayzik" |
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| Title: Re: The Incarnation of Jesus Christ |
13 Dec 2003 02:41:22 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message
news:3FDB7399.13048B52@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net...
===>Some Christians envied the Pagans for their divine emperors
so much, they made a god out of the executed fellow from Galilee, and
even adopted as well as invented such miraculous birth stories about
him.
Testimony to this is the total lack of such stories in the oldest
portions of the "New Testament", i.e. the Pauline letters and
the Markan Gospel. The "virgin birth" idea was copied from Pagan
religions into the revision of MARK, known as the "Matthew"
Gospel. Even "Luke" goes only so far as to insist Jesus' mother
was a virgin AT THE TIME she was told she would have a son.
The entire "virgin birth" idea is totally lacking except for that
fabrication by the author (or final redactor) of the book later
attributed to "Matthew". -- L.
Good point Libertarius, unfortunately many contemporary Christians fear
reason and analysis. Hell, many evangelical preachers make a living by
redaction - there is good money in a Sunday sermon to the sheep. :-)
--
Stephen Bayzik
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: The Incarnation of Jesus Christ |
13 Dec 2003 03:46:48 PM |
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Stephen Bayzik wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message
news:3FDB7399.13048B52@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net...
===>Some Christians envied the Pagans for their divine emperors
so much, they made a god out of the executed fellow from Galilee, and
even adopted as well as invented such miraculous birth stories about
him.
Testimony to this is the total lack of such stories in the oldest
portions of the "New Testament", i.e. the Pauline letters and
the Markan Gospel. The "virgin birth" idea was copied from Pagan
religions into the revision of MARK, known as the "Matthew"
Gospel. Even "Luke" goes only so far as to insist Jesus' mother
was a virgin AT THE TIME she was told she would have a son.
The entire "virgin birth" idea is totally lacking except for that
fabrication by the author (or final redactor) of the book later
attributed to "Matthew". -- L.
Good point Libertarius, unfortunately many contemporary Christians fear
reason and analysis. Hell, many evangelical preachers make a living by
redaction - there is good money in a Sunday sermon to the sheep. :-)
--
Stephen Bayzik
===>Someone said a sucker is born every day.
All the preacher needs to do is find them. -- L.
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| User: "Ray Michael OKeeffe" |
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| Title: Re: The Incarnation of Jesus Christ |
13 Dec 2003 10:38:07 PM |
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Check out the signs which Show Jesus was more than a man....
i put together a slide show showing the signs of the end times for a quick
read.... http://beast666.faithweb.com/slides
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Peace and Love
Jesus is Lord
The signs of the beast are here now!
Pointing to Jesus return!
Keep your eyes open and use your mind to see.
Ray Michael O'Keeffe
raymokeeffe@888hotmail.com
(Remove the 888 to email)
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net> wrote in message
news:3FDB7399.13048B52@Nothing_But_The_Truth.net...
IknowHimDoYou wrote:
The Incarnation of Jesus Christ
As we prepare to celebrate Christmas; that is the nativity or birth of
our
Lord and Creator, we should also consider His Incarnation which
preceeded
December 25 by 9 months.
===>Some Christians envied the Pagans for their divine emperors
so much, they made a god out of the executed fellow from Galilee, and
even adopted as well as invented such miraculous birth stories about
him.
Testimony to this is the total lack of such stories in the oldest
portions of the "New Testament", i.e. the Pauline letters and
the Markan Gospel. The "virgin birth" idea was copied from Pagan
religions into the revision of MARK, known as the "Matthew"
Gospel. Even "Luke" goes only so far as to insist Jesus' mother
was a virgin AT THE TIME she was told she would have a son.
The entire "virgin birth" idea is totally lacking except for that
fabrication by the author (or final redactor) of the book later
attributed to "Matthew". -- L.
====================================
This date would be September 29. At this
time(and this was celebrated by the early Christians) as the time of His
coming from heaven to earth as the "Seed of the woman" Gen 3:15, where
normally it is the seed of man, thereby implying a virgin conception and
birth). In the Church calander this time is called Michaelmas. All
heaven's creatures sang for joy when this occured and wondered at its
true
significance. Never had anything like this occured and never will it
occur again, that God became a man thereby giving us the God-Man as the
Son of God and the Son of Man in one person and the only begotten Son
the
Lord Jesus Christ.
--
Recte Faciendo Neminem Timeas
Is it opinion? Is it fact? Is it truth?
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| User: "Thore Schmechtig" |
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| Title: Re: The Incarnation of Jesus Christ |
13 Dec 2003 02:38:36 PM |
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Hey Lib,
===>Some Christians envied the Pagans for their divine emperors
so much, they made a god out of the executed fellow from Galilee, and
even adopted as well as invented such miraculous birth stories about
him.
Nice reply, but I'm surprised that you consider a qualified reply
necessary? After all:
This date would be September 29.
With this line I-know-***** clearly shows that he's too dumb to compute
12-9. That should say enough about the credibility of his postings in
general, shouldn't it? ;)
--
Bye
Tocis (commoner AT carcosa DOT de)
Include HI-AK 523 in the subject or your email will be deleted!
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: The Incarnation of Jesus Christ |
13 Dec 2003 04:30:14 PM |
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Thore Schmechtig wrote:
Hey Lib,
===>Some Christians envied the Pagans for their divine emperors
so much, they made a god out of the executed fellow from Galilee, and
even adopted as well as invented such miraculous birth stories about
him.
Nice reply, but I'm surprised that you consider a qualified reply
necessary? After all:
This date would be September 29.
With this line I-know-***** clearly shows that he's too dumb to compute
12-9. That should say enough about the credibility of his postings in
general, shouldn't it? ;)
===>Yes, it should.
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| User: "patrick_darcy" |
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| Title: Re: The Incarnation of Jesus Christ |
14 Dec 2003 12:11:28 PM |
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IknowHimDoYou wrote:
The Incarnation of Jesus Christ
As we prepare to celebrate Christmas; that is the nativity or birth of our
Lord and Creator, we should also consider His Incarnation which preceeded
December 25 by 9 months. This date would be September 29. At this
time(and this was celebrated by the early Christians) as the time of His
coming from heaven to earth as the "Seed of the woman" Gen 3:15, where
normally it is the seed of man, thereby implying a virgin conception and
birth). In the Church calander this time is called Michaelmas. All
heaven's creatures sang for joy when this occured and wondered at its true
significance. Never had anything like this occured and never will it
occur again, that God became a man thereby giving us the God-Man as the
Son of God and the Son of Man in one person and the only begotten Son the
Lord Jesus Christ.
that was a stupid question to ask in a so called
christian newsgroup.
isnt it ?
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*LOVE* is all u need.
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| User: "DW Suiter" |
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14 Dec 2003 08:28:21 AM |
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Totally erroneous.
God did not become man. This is a lie of the devil. Man became the Son of
God. This is the truth.
The birth was of the spirit; not of the physical, as the carnally minded
dead religionists claim.
This man; Jesus of Nazareth; was the firstborn of many, including the
apostles who also became the Sons of God.
The only hope of any of mankind is to become this same Son of God for this
is the only salvation of and by God.
DW Suiter
Son of God
"IknowHimDoYou" <IknowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IknowHim-1312030947390001@pm4-07.kalama.com...
The Incarnation of Jesus Christ
As we prepare to celebrate Christmas; that is the nativity or birth of our
Lord and Creator, we should also consider His Incarnation which preceeded
December 25 by 9 months. This date would be September 29. At this
time(and this was celebrated by the early Christians) as the time of His
coming from heaven to earth as the "Seed of the woman" Gen 3:15, where
normally it is the seed of man, thereby implying a virgin conception and
birth). In the Church calander this time is called Michaelmas. All
heaven's creatures sang for joy when this occured and wondered at its true
significance. Never had anything like this occured and never will it
occur again, that God became a man thereby giving us the God-Man as the
Son of God and the Son of Man in one person and the only begotten Son the
Lord Jesus Christ.
--
Recte Faciendo Neminem Timeas
Is it opinion? Is it fact? Is it truth?
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| User: "John W" |
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| Title: Re: The Incarnation of Jesus Christ |
14 Dec 2003 10:01:52 PM |
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 06:28:21 -0800, "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net>
wrote:
Totally erroneous.
God did not become man.
Liar. John 1; Col 2; Rev 22
This is a lie of the devil. Man became the Son of
God. This is the truth.
Liar! You Anti-Christ!
Hi! Satan in flesh! I e-mailed you. You never responded. Meaning I
got you, you recognized my name, and you never wrote back! So, I know
who you are, I know where you are, and I even know what you look like.
Turn your life over to God in flesh while you can.
(John 1; Col 2; Rev 22)
John W
The birth was of the spirit; not of the physical, as the carnally minded
dead religionists claim.
This man; Jesus of Nazareth; was the firstborn of many, including the
apostles who also became the Sons of God.
The only hope of any of mankind is to become this same Son of God for this
is the only salvation of and by God.
DW Suiter
Son of God
"IknowHimDoYou" <IknowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IknowHim-1312030947390001@pm4-07.kalama.com...
The Incarnation of Jesus Christ
As we prepare to celebrate Christmas; that is the nativity or birth of our
Lord and Creator, we should also consider His Incarnation which preceeded
December 25 by 9 months. This date would be September 29. At this
time(and this was celebrated by the early Christians) as the time of His
coming from heaven to earth as the "Seed of the woman" Gen 3:15, where
normally it is the seed of man, thereby implying a virgin conception and
birth). In the Church calander this time is called Michaelmas. All
heaven's creatures sang for joy when this occured and wondered at its true
significance. Never had anything like this occured and never will it
occur again, that God became a man thereby giving us the God-Man as the
Son of God and the Son of Man in one person and the only begotten Son the
Lord Jesus Christ.
--
Recte Faciendo Neminem Timeas
Is it opinion? Is it fact? Is it truth?
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| User: "DW Suiter" |
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15 Dec 2003 08:17:43 PM |
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Hello son of perdition. Still doing your father's works; the works of the
devil I see. Are you aware of the fate of people like you who fight against
God? Best wise up.
DW Suiter
Son of God
"John W @yahoo.com>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 06:28:21 -0800, "DW Suiter" <dwsuiter@toast.net>
wrote:
Totally erroneous.
God did not become man.
Liar. John 1; Col 2; Rev 22
This is a lie of the devil. Man became the Son of
God. This is the truth.
Liar! You Anti-Christ!
Hi! Satan in flesh! I e-mailed you. You never responded. Meaning I
got you, you recognized my name, and you never wrote back! So, I know
who you are, I know where you are, and I even know what you look like.
Turn your life over to God in flesh while you can.
(John 1; Col 2; Rev 22)
John W
The birth was of the spirit; not of the physical, as the carnally minded
dead religionists claim.
This man; Jesus of Nazareth; was the firstborn of many, including the
apostles who also became the Sons of God.
The only hope of any of mankind is to become this same Son of God for
this
is the only salvation of and by God.
DW Suiter
Son of God
"IknowHimDoYou" <IknowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IknowHim-1312030947390001@pm4-07.kalama.com...
The Incarnation of Jesus Christ
As we prepare to celebrate Christmas; that is the nativity or birth of
our
Lord and Creator, we should also consider His Incarnation which
preceeded
December 25 by 9 months. This date would be September 29. At this
time(and this was celebrated by the early Christians) as the time of
His
coming from heaven to earth as the "Seed of the woman" Gen 3:15, where
normally it is the seed of man, thereby implying a virgin conception
and
birth). In the Church calander this time is called Michaelmas. All
heaven's creatures sang for joy when this occured and wondered at its
true
significance. Never had anything like this occured and never will it
occur again, that God became a man thereby giving us the God-Man as the
Son of God and the Son of Man in one person and the only begotten Son
the
Lord Jesus Christ.
--
Recte Faciendo Neminem Timeas
Is it opinion? Is it fact? Is it truth?
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