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User: "martus"
Date: 11 Oct 2004 08:44:54 PM
Object: The Israel, Arab, Middle East situation!
Hopefully you will have the following list of FACTS at your
fingertips the next time that the Israel, Arab, Middle East
situation is discussed. The road map is an antichrist plan for the
destruction of the State of Israel. All these plans are flawed to
the core. They are founded in a gigantic hoax, perhaps the hoax of
the Millennium.
1) The Arabs do NOT want peace. The Arabs do NOT and never did
intend to make peace with Israel. The Arabs could have had peace,
and a state, instantly in 1947. That is what the UN offered the
Arabs. The Arabs refused it.
2) At any time between 1947 and 1967, when the areas in question —
Judea, Samaria, and Gaza — were actually in Arab hands, cooperation
among the Arab states could have brought about a state, and peace,
had they wanted it.
3) In 1967, after Israel's MIRACLEOUS victory, in which Israel was
ATTACKED, and by Miracles of God won the war, Israel made the
stunning offer to hand back the captured territories in return for
PEACE. The Arabs again REFUSED even this most STUNNING offer of
PEACE from Israel.
4) After the Arabs had waged two major wars against Israel, the Arab
nations boldly, with a united voice, told the world that their war
goal was the "annihilation" of the Jewish state. Why would any
person or nation of the world, make the ridiculous assumption, of
all things, that the Arabs were longing for peace or would even
consider living peacefully with Israel?
5) Since then, and never more fiercely than today, what is the Arab-
Muslim message, coming out of every Arab radio station, every Arab
television channel, out of every Muslim mosque, and, most
significantly, every Arab school textbook? KILL JEWS – ANNIHILATE
ISRAEL – HATE AMERICA BECAUES THEY WILL NOT JOIN THE REST OF THE
WORLD IN BOWING TO THE MUSLIM RELIGION OF JEW AND CHRISTIAN HATE.
6) First the Muslim religion wants to kill Jews. If Jews are not
handy the Muslim religion secondly wants to kill Christians. History
has proven of the demonic religion of hatred that is Islam, if no
Jews or Christians are available, they will kill and destroy each
other. The only thing that keeps corrupt Arab regimes standing is
the hope of a war of annihilation of ALL Jews. According to that
Satanic religion the Christians are next. Yes, Islam means
submission, BONDAGE to Satan with a capital B. That is the
antichrist Satanic religion of Islam, which is given FAVORED status
by the antichrist Luciferian globalists. Mark it down the writer is
labeled a hate criminal for telling this truth. What a joy to hear
that false accusation, when every day the writer's life is on the
line to give the hope of the Gospel of Jesus Christ to these same
people we would be falsely accused of hating. I will spit in the eye
of their antichrist kangaroo court judges. Yes, I find such hate
crime charge that hypocritical and contemptible.
7) It is a blatantly false claim of the Arabs that the whole
Land, "from the river to the sea," belongs to the Arabs, and that
Israel took it from them. This LIE has led to the demonization of
the settlers in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza.
8) The Jews who have settled in Judea, Samaria, and in the Gaza
district are absolutely, perfectly, and unquestionably legal. IT IS
PROFOUNDLY ABSURD TO SAY THE SETTLEMENTS ARE ILLEGAL. They are legal
in the strictest interpretation of international law, and they are
legitimate by the strictest test of historical right, not to mention
their civic residential rights.
9) Any attempt from outside to EVICT or move them would be a
threefold crime.
10) Israel became a nation in 1312 BC, two thousand years before the
pope put Mohammed in the Jew and Christian killing religion business
of Islam.
11) Arab refugees FIRST BEGAN identifying themselves as part of a
Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of
the modern State of Israel.
12) Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BC, the Jews have had dominion
over the land of Israel for thousands of years with a continuous
presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.
13) The only Arab domination since the conquest in 635 BC lasted no
more than 22 years.
14) For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital.
Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity.
Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to
make it their capital. Arab leaders did not, do not, and will not
visit Jerusalem.
15) Jerusalem is mentioned over 811 times in Bible, and when one
includes Zion the total is 963 times. Jerusalem is NOT mentioned
once in the Koran.
16) King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to
Jerusalem.
17) Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward
Jerusalem.
18) Regarding refugees we see a most classic example of mistreatment
of Arabs by Arabs. Arabs were NOT driven out of their homes.
Following the UN decision on Partition in 1948, the Arab refugees
were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders, promising to purge
the land of Jews. They argued that an "Arab presence" would only get
in the way of the planned devastation. Sixty-eight percent of Arabs
left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier. These same Arab leaders
and Arab countries have denied absorption of these displaced Arabs,
and have used them, and abused them as political pawns against
Israel for over 55 years. Who else could not find or build a home in
55 years?
19) The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to
Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.
20) The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated
to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees absorbed by
Israel from Arab countries is estimated to be the same.
21) It is absurd to blame 3000 years of Jew hatred on a 55 year old
State.
22) Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into
the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory.
Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the
only refugee group in the world, that for over 55 years, has not
been able to find a home. They have been systematically barred from
living in the Arab countries which urged them to leave their homes
in 1947. Of all refugee groups resulting from world war two, only
this group of Arab political pawns, continues NOT to be able to find
a home. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a
country no larger than New Jersey.
23) The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not
including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The
Arab nations were the aggressors and attacked Israel without
provocation, in all five wars, and lost. Israel defended itself each
time and Miraculously defeated the aggressors and won the wars.
24) The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the
state of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West
Bank and autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied
their police and security forces with weapons.
25) Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the
Jews were denied access to places of worship. Jewish grave markers
were used to build public urinals in occupied Jerusalem. Under
Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and
made accessible to people of all faiths.
26) The U.N. record on Israel and the Arabs is a study in profound
absurdity. More than half of the over 700 resolutions of the Untied
Nations are AGAINST the tiny country of Israel. The UNITED NATAIONS
are united against Israel. It is seldom remembered that the Arabs
refused to participate in the 15 nation United Nations Commission of
Palestine which recommended partition in 1948 and sought immediately
to undo the work of the United Nations Commission by force of arms.
27) Slightly OVER 62% of ALL UN General Assembly resolutions have
been directed AGAINST only ONE of the 190 nation members, Israel.
Does anyone else see what is wrong with this picture?
28) The U.N. was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed
by the Jordanians between 1948 and 1967.
29) The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically
desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives
between 1948 and 1967.
30) The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-
like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and
the Western Wall.
From Chittim, Isa 23:1,
Shalom & Simcah,
Jim Searcy
______________________________________________________________________________________
End
times:
http://www.geocities.com/mart1963/
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User: "u2 fan"

Title: Re: The Israel, Arab, Middle East situation! 13 Oct 2004 04:33:05 PM
"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences
caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists
and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way
that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of
Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more
divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete
physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion.We shall unleash the
Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social
cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the
effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody
turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against
the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of
civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose
deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction,
anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration,
will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure
doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This
manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will
follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and
exterminated at the same time." 4 Cmdr. William Guy Carr: Quoted in Satan:
Prince of This World. ~ 1871
http://www.thebeastmovie.com
They sat No "credible" sources show Jesus existed : But No credible sources
show he didn't
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User: "otherfungus IV"

Title: Re: The Israel, Arab, Middle East situation! 13 Oct 2004 05:04:04 PM
"martus" <marttila69@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:511a49a.0410111744.5f36ada1@posting.google.com...

Hopefully you will have the following list of FACTS at your
fingertips the next time that the Israel, Arab, Middle East
situation is discussed. The road map is an antichrist plan for the
destruction of the State of Israel. All these plans are flawed to
the core. They are founded in a gigantic hoax, perhaps the hoax of
the Millennium.

I am SURE that I speak for many average non-Jewish
Americans when I say that *we wish* that the fucking Arabs
and Israelis would blow each other's respective countries
from off of the map via WMD's. The world would be a
MUCH BETTER PLACE without both their loony
religions, and their environment befouling crude oil.
***** them both in the *****! Arab and Jew both! PHOOEY!!!!!
.

User: "stone"

Title: Re: The Israel, Arab, Middle East situation! 14 Oct 2004 10:52:57 AM
..Read the true story about the beginning of Islam at this website:
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0062/0062_01.asp
This contains information that was provided by Alberto Rivera, former Jesuit
priest, and it was told to him at the vatican. Much of this information is
kept secret from the public, for obvious reasons, and it is known only to
high ranking people in the catholic hierarchy and high ranking ayatolas in
Islam.
What is going to happen in the middle east was foretold by Ezekiel, and what
is happening in the middle east now, is leading up to this prophecy. It says
that it will happen in the latter years, which is before the return of
Christ. And if you look closely at the prophecy it is not armageddon either.
I believe this will happen some time before the 7 year tribulation period
begins.
[Note: Gog is the Russian leader, magog is Russia, Persia is Iran and Iraq,
Gomer is France and or Germany, Sheba and Dedan is Jordan and Saudi Arabia]
Ezekiel 38:1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Ezekiel 38:2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the
chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
Ezekiel 38:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I [am] against
thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
Ezekiel 38:4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I
will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them
clothed with all sorts [of armour, even] a great company [with] bucklers and
shields, all of them handling swords:
Ezekiel 38:5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with
shield and helmet:
Ezekiel 38:6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north
quarters, and all his bands: [and] many people with thee.
Ezekiel 38:7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy
company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.
Ezekiel 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years
thou shalt come into the land [that is] brought back from the sword, [and
is] gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have
been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they
shall dwell safely all of them.
Ezekiel 38:9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a
cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.
Ezekiel 38:10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, [that]
at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an
evil thought:
Ezekiel 38:11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled
villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them
dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
Ezekiel 38:12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon
the desolate places [that are now] inhabited, and upon the people [that are]
gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell
in the midst of the land.
Ezekiel 38:13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all
the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil?
hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and
gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?
Ezekiel 38:14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith
the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt
thou not know [it]?
Ezekiel 38:15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts,
thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great
company, and a mighty army:
Ezekiel 38:16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a
cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring
thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be
sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.
Ezekiel 38:17 Thus saith the Lord GOD; [Art] thou he of whom I have spoken
in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those
days [many] years that I would bring thee against them?
Ezekiel 38:18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall
come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, [that] my fury shall
come up in my face.
Ezekiel 38:19 For in my jealousy [and] in the fire of my wrath have I
spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of
Israel;
Ezekiel 38:20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven,
and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the
earth, and all the men that [are] upon the face of the earth, shall shake at
my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places
shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
Ezekiel 38:21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my
mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his
brother.
Ezekiel 38:22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood;
and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that
[are] with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and
brimstone.
Ezekiel 38:23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will
be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I [am] the
LORD.
Ezekiel 39:1 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say,
Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I [am] against thee, O Gog, the chief
prince of Meshech and Tubal:
Ezekiel 39:2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of
thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring
thee upon the mountains of Israel:
Ezekiel 39:3 And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause
thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.
Ezekiel 39:4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all
thy bands, and the people that [is] with thee: I will give thee unto the
ravenous birds of every sort, and [to] the beasts of the field to be
devoured.
Ezekiel 39:5 Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken [it],
saith the Lord GOD.
Ezekiel 39:6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell
carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I [am] the LORD.
Ezekiel 39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people
Israel; and I will not [let them] pollute my holy name any more: and the
heathen shall know that I [am] the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.
Ezekiel 39:8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this
[is] the day whereof I have spoken.
Ezekiel 39:9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth,
and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the
bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and
they shall burn them with fire seven years:
Ezekiel 39:10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither
cut down [any] out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with
fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that
robbed them, saith the Lord GOD.
Ezekiel 39:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] I will give
unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on
the east of the sea: and it shall stop the [noses] of the passengers: and
there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call [it]
The valley of Hamongog.
Ezekiel 39:12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of
them, that they may cleanse the land.
Ezekiel 39:13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury [them]; and it
shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord
GOD.
Ezekiel 39:14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment,
passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon
the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall
they search.
Ezekiel 39:15 And the passengers [that] pass through the land, when [any]
seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have
buried it in the valley of Hamongog.
Ezekiel 39:16 And also the name of the city [shall be] Hamonah. Thus shall
they cleanse the land.
Ezekiel 39:17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto
every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves,
and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do
sacrifice for you, [even] a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel,
that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.
Ezekiel 39:18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of
the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all
of them fatlings of Bashan.
Ezekiel 39:19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till
ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.
Ezekiel 39:20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and
chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.
Ezekiel 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the
heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have
laid upon them.
Ezekiel 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I [am] the LORD their
God from that day and forward.
Ezekiel 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went
into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me,
therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their
enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Ezekiel 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their
transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
Ezekiel 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again
the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and
will be jealous for my holy name;
Ezekiel 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their
trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely
in their land, and none made [them] afraid.
Ezekiel 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered
them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of
many nations;
Ezekiel 39:28 Then shall they know that I [am] the LORD their God, which
caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered
them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Ezekiel 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have
poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
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User: "JCarew"

Title: Re: The Israel, Arab, Middle East situation! 14 Oct 2004 04:36:26 PM
JMJ
"stone" wrote in message


.Read the true story about the beginning of Islam at this website:
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0062/0062_01.asp
This contains information that was provided by Alberto
Rivera, former Jesuit priest, and it was told to him at
the vatican.
snip<

And than we have the real Alberto Rivera a check forger, wife beater and
a fraud with a criminal record
------ "The most godly man I ever met" ---------- Jack T. Chick
(Edited, with commentary, by Dave Armstrong, from articles by Gary Metz)
Alberto Rivera, the alleged former Catholic priest, bishop, and
anti-Catholic hero of Jack Chick comic strips, was exposed as a
total fraud by non-Catholic Gary Metz, in two articles appearing in
evangelical magazines:
1) "The Alberto Story," Cornerstone, vol. 9, no. 53, 1981, pp. 29-31.
2) Christianity Today, March 13, 1981.
{I have heard that the Christian Research Institute (CRI), founded by
the late Dr. Walter Martin, widely regarded as the foremost evangelical
counter-cult specialist, has also done an exposé of Rivera}
Some excerpts from the first article above:
.. . . the Christian Reformed Church, Zondervan Publishers, and the Southern
Baptist Sunday School Board have banned it from their bookstores.
Jack Chick states that Christian bookstores are being infiltrated by
undercover Catholic propaganda teams who pressure the owner until he
'compromises with Rome and pulls Alberto out of the store.'
Is Alberto's story true? No! Our intensive investigation reveals his police
record, his investment schemes, his bad check-writing, his contradictory
testimony, his fabricated educational record, and his reported family abuse.
.. . Alberto Rivera, also known as Alberto Romero, has a history of legal
entanglements. He is currently involved in a court action in Southern
California, accused of fraud.
In 1965, a warrant for his arrest was issued in Hoboken, New Jersey, for
writing bad checks. He also left debts in excess of $3,000.
In 1969 two warrants were issued against him in DeLand and Ormond Beach,
Florida. The first was for the theft of a Bank-Americard. The criminal
investigation division of the Bank of America reports he charged over $2,000
on the credit card. The second warrant was for the 'unauthorized use of an
automobile.' Alberto abandoned the vehicle in Seattle, Washington. From
there he moved to Southern California.
Alberto's account of his conversion is contradictory. In 1964 while working
for the Christian Reformed Church, he said he was converted from Catholicism
in July of 1952. Now he maintains it was in 1967 . . . 3:00 in the
morning on March 20, 1967. He says he immediately defected from the
Catholic church. However, five months later, in August of 1967, he was
still promoting Catholicism and the ecumenical movement in a newspaper
interview in his hometown of Las Palmas in the Canary Islands.
Alberto commands great respect from many with his alleged numerous degrees
including an N.D., a D.D., a Th.D., a Ph.D., and a master's in psychology.
However, he is ambiguous when asked where he received these degrees. Alberto
attended a seminary in Costa Rica (the Seminario Biblio Latinamericano) with
a friend from Las Palmas, but he did not graduate. That friend, Rev.
Plutarco Bonilla (a respected Christian leader in Central America),
said that Alberto never finished high school in Las Palmas and that he
was in the seminary program for non-high school graduates. The school
in a letter said they were forced to expel Alberto for his 'continual lying
and defiance of seminary authority.' The known chronology of his life does
not allow time for him to have achieved the academic status he claims.
When Rev. Wishart [former associate of Alberto, and once a pastor of
the First Baptist Church of San Fernando] pressed Alberto concerning
his degrees, Alberto admitted receiving them from a diploma mill in
Colorado. This ended their relationship. Pastor Rasmussen (Faith Baptist
Church in Canoga Park, California) also asked Alberto to substantiate
some of his claims by submitting to a lie detector test. Alberto said he
would: three times appointments were made for him, three times he
failed to appear.
He met his first 'wife' in Costa Rica while working with the Methodist
church. Rev. Bonilla says that Alberto was living there with a woman in
the late 1950s but they weren't legally married: Alberto said God ordained
their marriage. Alberto later claimed in an employment form that he and
Carmen Lydia Torres were married on November 25, 1963. Their son Juan was
born in Hoboken, New Jersey, in September, 1964 . . . A supervisor at the
time, Rev. Edson Lewis, said that Alberto physically abused both Carmen
Lydia and Juan. Less than a year after his birth, in July, 1965, Juan
died in El Paso, Texas, where his parents had fled, after they wrote bad
checks in New Jersey.
[a new son, Alberto, was born in 1967 or 1968] It is difficult to
determine the whereabouts of the child Alberto today, but Rev.
Abrego [former associateand roommate] claims he was placed in a
welfare home in Tennessee . . .Alberto and Carmen Lydia had
still another son, Luis Marx, early in 1969. While they were
still in Florida, their hosts said Luis Marx was mistreated.
What happened to Luis Marx is unknown, but when Alberto left
Florida for Seattle with the car and credit card, they no longer
had the child with them. What happened to Carmen Lydia after
Seattle is also unknown, but Alberto remarried in 1977 to
Nury Frias, a woman from the Dominican Republic. Whether he
was ever legally married to and/or divorced from the other
woman is unknown. At any rate, it is extremely damaging to
Rivera's credibility to discover that he had two children
(Juan and Alberto) in America during the time he was
supposed to be a celibate priest in Europe!
What does Jack Chick think about this? . . . When he was finally reached by
phone at his home, he said that he had never met a more godly man than
Alberto, and that he knows Alberto's story is true because he 'prayed about
it.' Jack says he expects his own life to be taken by Jesuit assassins .
When we reached Alberto by phone, he also refused to meet with us
. . . He claims that any wrongdoings prior to his conversion in 1967
were done under the orders of the Catholic church, and any
wrongdoings since his conversion are fabrications by the conspirators.
As we have seen, Alberto's story is fraudulent, as was the story of John
Todd, another Jack Chick protégé, who said the witches are taking
over the world (see Issue #48 of Cornerstone). Alberto has skillfully
created a closed, paranoid defense system which makes it difficult to
corner him on specific issues. He can always dismiss any accusation
as part of the Jesuit plot. Alberto Rivera's fraudulent claims underscore a
sad fact: many Protestants have as distorted a view of Catholics as
whites earlier in the century had of blacks. The black man was
caricatured as having 'lotsa rhythm and little-a brains,' while the
Catholic is portrayed as an automaton who is in
unquestioning bondage to church authorities.
In a later issue of Cornerstone (Vol. 10, Issue no. 54), is an article,
"Cornerstone Responds to Chick":
Jack T. Chick has issued a three-page reply to Gary Metz's expose of Alberto
Rivera . . . In his letter of March 25, 1981, co-signed by Rivera, Chick
alleges that 'the systematic destruction of John Todd's ministry' is being
repeated by the Vatican to destroy Alberto. (Todd claimed to have been one
of the leaders of an international conspiracy of witches to set up
Jimmy Carter as the Antichrist; Chick promoted Todd's story in earlier
comic books.) Chick accuses Christianity Today and Cornerstone,
both of whom ran exposes on John Todd, of furthering the cause of
the 'antichrist in the Vatican.'
A typical example of Chick's defense of Alberto: the evidence for
Alberto's degrees disappeared because the Vatican 'erased Dr.
Rivera's name from all directories in schools, seminaries, and
colleges'; Rivera's former associates and acquaintances contradict
his story because they are Vatican spies; the women he was
involved with were from 'the Legion of Mary or Catholic Youth.'
So with the magic wand of Vatican conspiracy, Rivera is
exonerated from any evidence that can possibly be adduced against him.
We feel that if Jack Chick really has a burden for Catholics, he needs to
steer clear of fabrications and find a more reliable source of information.
Rivera's third Chick comic book, The Godfathers, contains the following
claims, presented seriously as solemn truth:
 the Vatican plans to exterminate the Jews and set up the
seat of the papacy in the Temple of Jerusalem, where the pope
will reign as God, literally fulfilling the prophecies concerning the
"man of sin" in 2 Thess 2:3-4;
 the Vatican financed the Moslem-Jewish wars in the 10th century;
 the Jesuits assassinated Abraham Lincoln;
 Communist Founders Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels were
coached and directed by Jesuit agents;
 the Jesuits also trained Trotsky, Lenin, and Josef Stalin;
 Adolf Hitler was a pawn of the Catholics, while his book
Mein Kampf was really written by a Jesuit priest;
 the Vatican was behind World War I and II, and the Russian
revolution of 1917;
 the Ku Klux Klan, the Nazis, and the Masons are all secretly
being directed by Jesuit agents;
 all the other so-called international conspiracies (the Illuminati,
the Communists, the Bilderbergers, the Trilateral Commission, the
Council on Foreign Relations, the Club of Rome, etc.) were
actually created by the Catholic Church as a smokescreen to
direct attention away from the Vatican.
Cornerstone magazine observes:
Rivera's claim to be a former priest, bishop, and intelligence agent for the
Roman Catholic hierarchy has been discussed in previous issues . . .
we found this claim to be a complete falsehood . . . I am amazed that
Jack Chick can have such a paranoiac view of history; the word
'Catholicaphobia' immediately forms itself in my mind. It was because
of such propaganda that two previous Chick comic books were
banned by the Canadian government last October. They refer to it
as being in the category of 'obscene literature.' Actually, if I did
believe there was a secret Jesuit conspiracy, I would say that Alberto
Rivera is still a part of it. His ludicrous accusations have
damaged the cause of legitimate Protestant/Catholic relations.
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User: "Pastor Dave"

Title: Re: The Israel, Arab, Middle East situation! 14 Oct 2004 03:18:07 PM
On 14 Oct 2004 15:52:57 GMT, while wondering if all
people love cupcakes, "stone"
<antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> yodeled:


.Read the true story about the beginning of Islam at this website:
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0062/0062_01.asp
This contains information that was provided by Alberto Rivera, former Jesuit
priest, and it was told to him at the vatican. Much of this information is
kept secret from the public, for obvious reasons, and it is known only to
high ranking people in the catholic hierarchy and high ranking ayatolas in
Islam.

What is going to happen in the middle east was foretold by Ezekiel, and what
is happening in the middle east now, is leading up to this prophecy. It says
that it will happen in the latter years, which is before the return of
Christ. And if you look closely at the prophecy it is not armageddon either.
I believe this will happen some time before the 7 year tribulation period
begins.

Christ already returned and there will be no "7 year
tribulation". The prophecies in Ezekiel have nothing
to do with todays Middle East.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/1stcentury/
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works." - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
"The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology
and biology is thus in the peculiar position of
being a science founded on an unproved theory.
Is it then science, or faith? Belief in the
theory of evolution is thus exactly parallel to
belief in special creation. Both are concepts
which believers know to be true, but neither,
up to the present, has been capable of proof.
- L. Harrison Matthews, FRS, Introduction to
the 1971 edition of Charles Darwin's Origin
of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or
the Preservation of Favored Races in the
Struggle for Life
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User: "Loffe"

Title: Re: The Israel, Arab, Middle East situation! 12 Oct 2004 11:55:45 AM
Another zionist fundamentalist! Charming, origninal and "FACTS", I think
not.
It's this simple: if youve been occupied for 50 yrs and have all your human
rights taken away from you, you'd be ***** too. Enough to do the old
suicide bombing thing.
UN gave that territory to the jews even though it wasnt theirs to give in
the first place. And if we look back at the 50+ years since then as a trial
period, Israel has failed miserably and should be declared unvaild as a
state. And if the state was founded 300 years ago and belongs to you, why
the ***** did you leave? You didnt want it then why now? Because it suits
you? You cant give anything up and then like a little child demand it back.
No orange juice in the world can change that fact. The UN thinks it can,
however. Sad.
"martus" <marttila69@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:511a49a.0410111744.5f36ada1@posting.google.com...

Hopefully you will have the following list of FACTS at your
fingertips the next time that the Israel, Arab, Middle East
situation is discussed. The road map is an antichrist plan for the
destruction of the State of Israel. All these plans are flawed to
the core. They are founded in a gigantic hoax, perhaps the hoax of
the Millennium.

1) The Arabs do NOT want peace. The Arabs do NOT and never did
intend to make peace with Israel. The Arabs could have had peace,
and a state, instantly in 1947. That is what the UN offered the
Arabs. The Arabs refused it.

2) At any time between 1947 and 1967, when the areas in question -
Judea, Samaria, and Gaza - were actually in Arab hands, cooperation
among the Arab states could have brought about a state, and peace,
had they wanted it.

3) In 1967, after Israel's MIRACLEOUS victory, in which Israel was
ATTACKED, and by Miracles of God won the war, Israel made the
stunning offer to hand back the captured territories in return for
PEACE. The Arabs again REFUSED even this most STUNNING offer of
PEACE from Israel.

4) After the Arabs had waged two major wars against Israel, the Arab
nations boldly, with a united voice, told the world that their war
goal was the "annihilation" of the Jewish state. Why would any
person or nation of the world, make the ridiculous assumption, of
all things, that the Arabs were longing for peace or would even
consider living peacefully with Israel?

5) Since then, and never more fiercely than today, what is the Arab-
Muslim message, coming out of every Arab radio station, every Arab
television channel, out of every Muslim mosque, and, most
significantly, every Arab school textbook? KILL JEWS - ANNIHILATE
ISRAEL - HATE AMERICA BECAUES THEY WILL NOT JOIN THE REST OF THE
WORLD IN BOWING TO THE MUSLIM RELIGION OF JEW AND CHRISTIAN HATE.

6) First the Muslim religion wants to kill Jews. If Jews are not
handy the Muslim religion secondly wants to kill Christians. History
has proven of the demonic religion of hatred that is Islam, if no
Jews or Christians are available, they will kill and destroy each
other. The only thing that keeps corrupt Arab regimes standing is
the hope of a war of annihilation of ALL Jews. According to that
Satanic religion the Christians are next. Yes, Islam means
submission, BONDAGE to Satan with a capital B. That is the
antichrist Satanic religion of Islam, which is given FAVORED status
by the antichrist Luciferian globalists. Mark it down the writer is
labeled a hate criminal for telling this truth. What a joy to hear
that false accusation, when every day the writer's life is on the
line to give the hope of the Gospel of Jesus Christ to these same
people we would be falsely accused of hating. I will spit in the eye
of their antichrist kangaroo court judges. Yes, I find such hate
crime charge that hypocritical and contemptible.

7) It is a blatantly false claim of the Arabs that the whole
Land, "from the river to the sea," belongs to the Arabs, and that
Israel took it from them. This LIE has led to the demonization of
the settlers in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza.

8) The Jews who have settled in Judea, Samaria, and in the Gaza
district are absolutely, perfectly, and unquestionably legal. IT IS
PROFOUNDLY ABSURD TO SAY THE SETTLEMENTS ARE ILLEGAL. They are legal
in the strictest interpretation of international law, and they are
legitimate by the strictest test of historical right, not to mention
their civic residential rights.

9) Any attempt from outside to EVICT or move them would be a
threefold crime.

10) Israel became a nation in 1312 BC, two thousand years before the
pope put Mohammed in the Jew and Christian killing religion business
of Islam.

11) Arab refugees FIRST BEGAN identifying themselves as part of a
Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of
the modern State of Israel.

12) Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BC, the Jews have had dominion
over the land of Israel for thousands of years with a continuous
presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.

13) The only Arab domination since the conquest in 635 BC lasted no
more than 22 years.

14) For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital.
Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity.
Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to
make it their capital. Arab leaders did not, do not, and will not
visit Jerusalem.

15) Jerusalem is mentioned over 811 times in Bible, and when one
includes Zion the total is 963 times. Jerusalem is NOT mentioned
once in the Koran.

16) King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to
Jerusalem.

17) Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward
Jerusalem.

18) Regarding refugees we see a most classic example of mistreatment
of Arabs by Arabs. Arabs were NOT driven out of their homes.
Following the UN decision on Partition in 1948, the Arab refugees
were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders, promising to purge
the land of Jews. They argued that an "Arab presence" would only get
in the way of the planned devastation. Sixty-eight percent of Arabs
left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier. These same Arab leaders
and Arab countries have denied absorption of these displaced Arabs,
and have used them, and abused them as political pawns against
Israel for over 55 years. Who else could not find or build a home in
55 years?

19) The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to
Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms.

20) The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated
to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees absorbed by
Israel from Arab countries is estimated to be the same.

21) It is absurd to blame 3000 years of Jew hatred on a 55 year old
State.

22) Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY not absorbed or integrated into
the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory.
Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the
only refugee group in the world, that for over 55 years, has not
been able to find a home. They have been systematically barred from
living in the Arab countries which urged them to leave their homes
in 1947. Of all refugee groups resulting from world war two, only
this group of Arab political pawns, continues NOT to be able to find
a home. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a
country no larger than New Jersey.

23) The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not
including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The
Arab nations were the aggressors and attacked Israel without
provocation, in all five wars, and lost. Israel defended itself each
time and Miraculously defeated the aggressors and won the wars.

24) The P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction of the
state of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West
Bank and autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied
their police and security forces with weapons.

25) Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the
Jews were denied access to places of worship. Jewish grave markers
were used to build public urinals in occupied Jerusalem. Under
Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and
made accessible to people of all faiths.

26) The U.N. record on Israel and the Arabs is a study in profound
absurdity. More than half of the over 700 resolutions of the Untied
Nations are AGAINST the tiny country of Israel. The UNITED NATAIONS
are united against Israel. It is seldom remembered that the Arabs
refused to participate in the 15 nation United Nations Commission of
Palestine which recommended partition in 1948 and sought immediately
to undo the work of the United Nations Commission by force of arms.

27) Slightly OVER 62% of ALL UN General Assembly resolutions have
been directed AGAINST only ONE of the 190 nation members, Israel.
Does anyone else see what is wrong with this picture?

28) The U.N. was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed
by the Jordanians between 1948 and 1967.

29) The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically
desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives
between 1948 and 1967.

30) The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-
like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and
the Western Wall.

From Chittim, Isa 23:1,

Shalom & Simcah,
Jim Searcy

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End
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User: "u2 fan"

Title: Re: The Israel, Arab, Middle East situation! 12 Oct 2004 04:37:32 PM
It is a complicated situation, not all arabs are evildoers, and they need
our help and charity, clear to all the applied Koran will bring about death
to everyone, and the command to "love one another" of the bible would bring
about a real paradise for everyone from the poorest of the poor to everyone.
What should we do ? It's a big mission to "save the world" where is 007 ?
Well 007 can't save the world only LOVE can.
Israel is somewhat complicated, there are evildoers in Israel all at level
but in most arabs led countries there is the common plan to eradicate Israel
by all means possible.
We know the outcome eventually all nations will gather against Israel, there
will be an antichrist ( maybe THAT's why nations will gather against Israel
since that's where the AC will be in the temple )
The Israel we see today might go a path least expected to become waring
provoked by evildoers in nations around them getting nukes, Israel may win a
nuclear war in the middle east ...
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