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"David Matthieu P.P." |
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THE MARK & THE VOICE OF THE BEAST |
There is one verse that does not seem to fit the universal state of
spiritual deception depicted in the book of Revelation by Saint John.
According to the popular interpretation of Revelation 13: 15, men will be
forced to worship the image of the beast. This explanation supported by many
famous Pastors is in absolute contradiction with the other verses written by
Saint John who clearly stated that deceived by false miracles men will
worship the beast.
Rv:13:15: And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that
the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would
not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
As all reader can see in some version of the Bible this important part of
the above verse is translated "would not worship", this may not be evident
but there is a difference between "do not worship" and "would not worship".
The nuance may not be clear for all yet, so first let us place Rev 13: 15 in
context:
Rv 13:13: And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from
heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14: And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those
miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them
that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which
had the wound by a sword, and did live.
These verses precceding Rv 13:15 clearly explain that those who dwell on the
earth will be deceived through miracles and great wonders. As I have also
explained in other posts, in the verse Rv 13:15 the worship of the
beast is directly linked to preaching.
The Lord Jesus Christ said in Jn:10:27: "My sheep hear my Voice,
and I know them, and they follow me." In John 10:5 we can also
read these words of Jesus: "And a stranger will they not follow,
but will flee from him: for they know not the Voice of strangers."
That Voice which is not preaching the true Gospel of Jesus Christ should be
ignored. We need to be careful not to listen to that Voice the Holy
Scriptures have been warning us to stay away from. The prophecy of the book
of Daniel also warned us concerning that Voice:
Dan 7:11. I beheld then BECAUSE OF THE VOICE OF THE GREAT
WORDS WHICH THE HORN SPAKE: I beheld even till the beast
was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Specifically in the Chapter 13 of the book of Revelation Saint John wrote
about the Voice of the Beast, even though having two horns like a Lamb, he
"spoke" like a Dragon. The scriptures are warning us to always be on guard
and not to listen to that Voice. Furthermore as we can also read in the same
chapter 13 of the Book of Revealtion that the Voice of the Beast is uttering
blasphemies.
Rv:13:5: AND THERE WAS GIVEN UNTO HIM A MOUTH
SPEAKING GREAT THINGS and BLASPHEMIES; and power was given
unto him to CONTINUE forty and two months.
6: And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme
his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7: And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and
to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds,
and tongues, and nations.
When we compare the above verses of Rv13: to Dan 7:25 we realize
that these passages are conveying exactly the same message using
slightly different wording. When juxtaposed, Dan 7:25 and these
verses of Rev 13 are giving us some amazing insights about this end
time event we are discussing.
Dan:7:25: And HE SHALL SPEAK GREAT WORDS AGAINST
THE MOST HIGH, and shall wear out the saints of the most
High, and think to change times and laws:and they shall be given
into his hand UNTIL a time and times and the dividing of time.
This is in the chapter 13 of the book of Revelation that Saint John wrote
the specific verse 15 disclosing valuable information and clarifying
the prophetic verses we have consulted above. I pasted again below the
literal translation of the verse 15 with reference numbers from the Lexicon
of Strong:
Rev: 13:15. And was given to it to give |4151| A SPIRIT
to the image of the beast, that even |2980| could
SPEAK the image of the beast, and might make as many
as not would worship the image of the beast,
that {they} be killed. (Literal Bible with Strong's numbers)
Strong's Ref. # 4151 Romanized pneuma, pronounced
pnyoo'-mah from GSN4154; a current of air, i.e. breath
(blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively, a spirit,
i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital
principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an
angel, demon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit,
the Holy Spirit:
KJV--ghost, life, spirit(-ual, -ually), mind.
I repeat again in the literal translation with the reference # 4151 of the
Strong Concordance it is clear that a "spirit" is associated with the
worship of the beast. Let read again the Reference #2980 of
the Greek lexicon of Strong:
Strong's Ref. # 2980 Romanized laleo, pronounced lal-eh'-o
a prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb; to talk,
i.e. utter words:
KJV--preach, say, speak (after), talk, tell, utter.
Saint John is not the only one disclosing that the spirit of the cult of the
beast will use his Voice to preach, in 2Cor:11:4 we also have
the testimony of the Apostle Paul warning us that the Voice of the beast
shall change the original Gospel and preach another Gospel.
Further more Saint Paul foretold, that Voice will even preach another Jesus,
the Apostle confirmed that another spirit will be received
by the Churches as it is also divulged by Saint John in Rv 13:15. The Voice
of the Beast is speaking blasphemy against God, calling unclean
spirits of devils Holy Spirit of God and preaching doctrines of devils.
Because of the great wonders and the fact that the Voice of the beast will
deceitfully preach the Gospel, as many as who"would not worship" the beast
shall receive the Anointing of Delusion and Death. The Voice of the Beast
will completely distort the Gospel Old and New Testament, changing the
commandments of God and deviously manipulating the timing of important
events such as Crucifiixion, Resurrection, Reign of Christ, Tribulation and
Rapture etc. As prophesied in the books of Daniel and Revelation the Voice
of the Beast shall deceive and control the whole Church in it's entirety and
the Saints shall be given into his Hands "until" a time and times and the
dividing of time.
Rv:13:8: And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose
names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the
foundation of the world.
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| User: "Prophet8" |
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| Title: Re: THE MARK & THE VOICE OF THE BEAST |
22 Nov 2004 09:04:47 PM |
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"David Matthieu P.P." <johnrevelation7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:30fdk3F2uh7rvU1@uni-berlin.de...
There is one verse that does not seem to fit the universal state of
spiritual deception depicted in the book of Revelation by Saint John.
According to the popular interpretation of Revelation 13: 15, men will be
forced to worship the image of the beast. This explanation supported by
many
famous Pastors is in absolute contradiction with the other verses written
by
Saint John who clearly stated that deceived by false miracles men will
worship the beast.
Rv:13:15: And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that
the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would
not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
As all reader can see in some version of the Bible this important part of
the above verse is translated "would not worship", this may not be evident
but there is a difference between "do not worship" and "would not
worship".
The nuance may not be clear for all yet, so first let us place Rev 13: 15
in
context:
Rv 13:13: And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down
from
heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14: And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those
miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to
them
that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast,
which
had the wound by a sword, and did live.
These verses precceding Rv 13:15 clearly explain that those who dwell on
the
earth will be deceived through miracles and great wonders. As I have also
explained in other posts, in the verse Rv 13:15 the worship of the
beast is directly linked to preaching.
The Lord Jesus Christ said in Jn:10:27: "My sheep hear my Voice,
and I know them, and they follow me." In John 10:5 we can also
read these words of Jesus: "And a stranger will they not follow,
but will flee from him: for they know not the Voice of strangers."
That Voice which is not preaching the true Gospel of Jesus Christ should
be
ignored. We need to be careful not to listen to that Voice the Holy
Scriptures have been warning us to stay away from. The prophecy of the
book
of Daniel also warned us concerning that Voice:
Dan 7:11. I beheld then BECAUSE OF THE VOICE OF THE GREAT
WORDS WHICH THE HORN SPAKE: I beheld even till the beast
was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Specifically in the Chapter 13 of the book of Revelation Saint John wrote
about the Voice of the Beast, even though having two horns like a Lamb, he
"spoke" like a Dragon. The scriptures are warning us to always be on guard
and not to listen to that Voice. Furthermore as we can also read in the
same
chapter 13 of the Book of Revealtion that the Voice of the Beast is
uttering
blasphemies.
Rv:13:5: AND THERE WAS GIVEN UNTO HIM A MOUTH
SPEAKING GREAT THINGS and BLASPHEMIES; and power was given
unto him to CONTINUE forty and two months.
6: And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme
his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7: And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and
to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds,
and tongues, and nations.
When we compare the above verses of Rv13: to Dan 7:25 we realize
that these passages are conveying exactly the same message using
slightly different wording. When juxtaposed, Dan 7:25 and these
verses of Rev 13 are giving us some amazing insights about this end
time event we are discussing.
Dan:7:25: And HE SHALL SPEAK GREAT WORDS AGAINST
THE MOST HIGH, and shall wear out the saints of the most
High, and think to change times and laws:and they shall be given
into his hand UNTIL a time and times and the dividing of time.
This is in the chapter 13 of the book of Revelation that Saint John wrote
the specific verse 15 disclosing valuable information and clarifying
the prophetic verses we have consulted above. I pasted again below the
literal translation of the verse 15 with reference numbers from the
Lexicon
of Strong:
Rev: 13:15. And was given to it to give |4151| A SPIRIT
to the image of the beast, that even |2980| could
SPEAK the image of the beast, and might make as many
as not would worship the image of the beast,
that {they} be killed. (Literal Bible with Strong's numbers)
Strong's Ref. # 4151 Romanized pneuma, pronounced
pnyoo'-mah from GSN4154; a current of air, i.e. breath
(blast) or a breeze; by analogy or figuratively, a spirit,
i.e. (human) the rational soul, (by implication) vital
principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an
angel, demon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit,
the Holy Spirit:
KJV--ghost, life, spirit(-ual, -ually), mind.
I repeat again in the literal translation with the reference # 4151 of the
Strong Concordance it is clear that a "spirit" is associated with the
worship of the beast. Let read again the Reference #2980 of
the Greek lexicon of Strong:
Strong's Ref. # 2980 Romanized laleo, pronounced lal-eh'-o
a prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb; to talk,
i.e. utter words:
KJV--preach, say, speak (after), talk, tell, utter.
Saint John is not the only one disclosing that the spirit of the cult of
the
beast will use his Voice to preach, in 2Cor:11:4 we also have
the testimony of the Apostle Paul warning us that the Voice of the beast
shall change the original Gospel and preach another Gospel.
Further more Saint Paul foretold, that Voice will even preach another
Jesus,
the Apostle confirmed that another spirit will be received
by the Churches as it is also divulged by Saint John in Rv 13:15. The
Voice
of the Beast is speaking blasphemy against God, calling unclean
spirits of devils Holy Spirit of God and preaching doctrines of devils.
Because of the great wonders and the fact that the Voice of the beast will
deceitfully preach the Gospel, as many as who"would not worship" the beast
shall receive the Anointing of Delusion and Death. The Voice of the Beast
will completely distort the Gospel Old and New Testament, changing the
commandments of God and deviously manipulating the timing of important
events such as Crucifiixion, Resurrection, Reign of Christ, Tribulation
and
Rapture etc. As prophesied in the books of Daniel and Revelation the Voice
of the Beast shall deceive and control the whole Church in it's entirety
and
the Saints shall be given into his Hands "until" a time and times and the
dividing of time.
Just for the record, the Church (Ekklesia) is not referred to anywhere in
the book of Revelation after chapter 5. The church is present in heaven when
Jesus begins to open the seals of the judgements about to fall on the earth
and all its inhabitants.
Chapter six begins thus:
1 ¶ And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it
were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow;
and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to
conquer.
3 ¶ And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say,
Come and see.
4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him
that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one
another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
So we can logically preclude that there will be some sort of "peace" prior
to the opening of the first seal.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction
cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not
escape.
We see in Chapter seven the sealing of the remant of Israel from all the
tribes of Israel... these are those he will save at his second coming spoken
of in large measure in the Hebrew Bible (OT).
The "saints" referred to thereafter chapter 5 are those that believe the
testimony of the angel that preaches to them that dwell on the earth,
because the 'Church' (Ekklesia) is no longer on the earth to preach the
gospel.
Re 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the
everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every
nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice,
Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and
worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of
waters. 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is
fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of
the wrath of her fornication. 9 And the third angel followed them, saying
with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive
his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the
wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup
of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the
presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rv:13:8: And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose
names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the
foundation of the world.
We indeed need to be watching for his soon return.....
Mt 25:
1 ¶ Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which
took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go
ye out to meet him.
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps
are gone out.
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us
and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were
ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the
Son of man cometh.
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| User: "David Matthieu P.P." |
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| Title: Re: THE MARK & THE VOICE OF THE BEAST |
23 Nov 2004 06:52:14 AM |
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"Prophet8" <someone@truthforever.now> wrote in message
news:jNxod.310640$nl.18697@pd7tw3no...
Just for the record, the Church (Ekklesia) is not referred to anywhere in
the book of Revelation after chapter 5. The church is present in heaven
when
Jesus begins to open the seals of the judgements about to fall on the
earth
and all its inhabitants.
You made a huge mistake in your deduction, I do not know how you came to
this conclusion, it seems that apparently you believe in the teaching of
those TV false Prophets. Unfortunately this interpretation of the non
existence of a Church on the Earth after the Chapter 5 of the Book of
Revelation is totally unscriptural. In the Chapter 11 the Holy Spirit of God
revealed to Saint John there will be two true and faithfulChurches on the
Earth.
Rv:11:3: And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall
prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4: These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before
the God of the earth.
Rv:1:20: The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand,
and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the
seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven
churches.
As you can see in the Chapter 11, the two witnesses are not only two olive
trees but also two candlesticks which are two Churches.
Saint John gave a precise chronology to the Events of the End Time clearly
showing that the interpretation of the Moguls of the false Gospel is totally
wrong.
Rv:8:13: And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of
heaven, saying with a loud voice, WOE, WOE, WOE to the inhabiters of the
earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels,
which are yet to sound!
These solemn words are written in the last verse of Chapter 8 of the Book of
Revelation. The chapter 9 begins with the sounding of the fifth trumpet and
Saint John depicted Satan as a fallen star freeing demonic legions out of
the bottomless pit. In the holy Vision, Darkness is seen covering the earth
and blocking the rays of Light. Saint John also unveiled the torments caused
by demonic spirits to specific Men who had not the seal of the holy Spirit
of God. Rv 9: 11 is the Key Verse allowing us to uncover that the fith seal
is related to the Angel of the bottomless Pit, another appellation of Satan.
Through out the book of Revelation there are several verses indicating that
the Devil and his angels shall deceive the whole world, also in Rv: 12:12
Saint John perspicuously warned us of this Woe:
Rv:12:12: Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. WOE to
the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto
you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
The wise Christians have noticed that in the book of Revelation this
apocalyptic event of the earthly reign of Satan spiritually deceiving the
Nations is chronologically marked with two other sequential Woes. In the
Chapter 9, soon after the disclosure in the verse 11 that the Angel of the
Bottomless is the king over the demonic hordes deceiving humanity, we
immediately come across these inspired words:
Rv:9:12: ONE WOE IS PAST; and, behold, THERE COME TWO WOES MORE HEREAFTER.
Among all the alarming details of the sounding of the sixth trumpet, can be
found the prophecy of the two witnesses who are ''the two olive trees, and
the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.'' Since the Holy
Spirit also revealed to Saint John in Rv 1:20 that the candlesticks are the
churches, this is irrefutably proving the existence on earth of two faithful
Churches at the time of the prophecy of the two witnesses. The beast that
ascended out of the bottomless pit shall wage war against the Saints and
kill the two witnesses. The Spirit of life from God shall enter into them
and the two witnesses will ascend up to heaven.
Rv 11: 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part
of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand:
and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 THE SECOND WOE IS PAST, AND, BEHOLD, THE THIRD WOE COMETH QUICKLY.
The verse Rv 11: 14 shows that the testimony of the witnesses will come
after the first Woe of the ascent of Satan out of the bottomless pit to
deceive the whole world. Contrarily to the preaching of the Kings of the new
gospel of a tribulation free Church, Saint John warned us that the angel of
the bottomless pit and his false prophets shall make war and persecute the
elect. To free His People, God shall send his two witnesses and their
testimony will only last 3 ½ years. The Pharaohs of the false gospel shall
fight against the Lord refusing to let God's People go. When the two
witnesses shall have finished their testimony and shortly after their
ascent, fire shall come down from God out of heaven to devour the Kings of
the gospel of deception for their rebellion and sorcery. Whosoever will not
forsake their doctrines and worship of devils shall also be tormented with
fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence
of the Lamb. The readers involved in this abomination should repent to
escape the wrath of God and the third Woe.
Rv16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone
about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague
of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
Rv 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of
the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward
unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy
name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his
temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and
thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
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| User: "Prophet8" |
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| Title: Re: THE MARK & THE VOICE OF THE BEAST |
23 Nov 2004 06:57:44 PM |
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"David Matthieu P.P." <johnrevelation7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:30gq41F2u5fvbU1@uni-berlin.de...
"Prophet8" <someone@truthforever.now> wrote in message
news:jNxod.310640$nl.18697@pd7tw3no...
Just for the record, the Church (Ekklesia) is not referred to anywhere
in
the book of Revelation after chapter 5. The church is present in heaven
when
Jesus begins to open the seals of the judgements about to fall on the
earth
and all its inhabitants.
You made a huge mistake in your deduction, I do not know how you came to
this conclusion, it seems that apparently you believe in the teaching of
those TV false Prophets. Unfortunately this interpretation of the non
existence of a Church on the Earth after the Chapter 5 of the Book of
Revelation is totally unscriptural.
So give us a verse after chapter 5 that refers to the Ekklesia. You can't
find even ONE!
What is indeed unscriptural is that the Ekklesia is to suffer the wrath of
the tribulation.
1Th 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead,
even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by
our Lord Jesus Christ,
Re 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from
the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Re 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to
stand?
Re 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven
angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the
earth.
Rv:11:3: And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall
prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4: These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before
the God of the earth.
What does this have to do with the Ekklesia?
Rv:1:20: The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right
hand,
and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the
seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven
churches.
Yeah, this is Chapter One....
As you can see in the Chapter 11, the two witnesses are not only two olive
trees but also two candlesticks which are two Churches.
No, the two witnesses are two witnesses sent to Israel.... This is not the
Ekklesia.
Saint John gave a precise chronology to the Events of the End Time
clearly
showing that the interpretation of the Moguls of the false Gospel is
totally
wrong.
Yes, it is clear alright..... Clear that the Ekklesia is not on the earth
during the tribulation.
Then of course we have the book of Corinthinians.
Rv:8:13: And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of
heaven, saying with a loud voice, WOE, WOE, WOE to the inhabiters of the
earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels,
which are yet to sound!
These solemn words are written in the last verse of Chapter 8 of the Book
of
Revelation. The chapter 9 begins with the sounding of the fifth trumpet
and
Saint John depicted Satan as a fallen star freeing demonic legions out of
the bottomless pit. In the holy Vision, Darkness is seen covering the
earth
and blocking the rays of Light.
And you actually see the Ekklesia as part of this darkness, and/or will be
subjected to it? WOW!
Saint John also unveiled the torments caused
by demonic spirits to specific Men who had not the seal of the holy Spirit
of God. Rv 9: 11 is the Key Verse allowing us to uncover that the fith
seal
is related to the Angel of the bottomless Pit, another appellation of
Satan.
Through out the book of Revelation there are several verses indicating
that
the Devil and his angels shall deceive the whole world, also in Rv: 12:12
Saint John perspicuously warned us of this Woe:
Yes, I'm familiar with ALL this...... You are mixing apples and oranges...
This has nothing whatsoever to do with the Ekklesia, or 'BODY' of Christ.
His sheep hear his voice, and can NOT be deceived; therefore you have shown
yet another proof of why the Ekklesia is not present on the earth during
this period.
Rv:12:12: Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. WOE to
the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down
unto
you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Yes, it will be a time of great trouble, such as never was.....
Lu 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted
worthy to >escape< all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand
before the Son of man.
If one is STANDING BEFORE THE SON OF MAN, during this period, where is
he/she located? Where is rejoicing 'in his presence?
Your false teaching is a great dishonour to the grace and mercy of our Lord.
Disagree with me all you want, but don't think you have any authority to
judge my faith in his word.
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| User: "David Matthieu P.P." |
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| Title: Re: THE MARK & THE VOICE OF THE BEAST |
24 Nov 2004 06:16:43 AM |
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"Prophet8" <someone@truthforever.now> wrote in message
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Your false teaching is a great dishonour to the grace and mercy of our
Lord.
Disagree with me all you want, but don't think you have any authority to
judge my faith in his word.
"Prophet8" certainly have faith in the word of his Lord Hal Lindsay who also
gave authority to this poster to even reject the words of Jesus Christ.
Even though Saint John received the Revelation from Christ himself that the
Candlesticks represents the Churches in the vision of Revelation, "Prophet8"
on the other hand also received a Revelation from Hal Lindsay that the
Candlesticks in Rv:11:4 are no Churches. My reply was only based on the
truth revealed by the Lord Jesus Christ, but for "Prophet8" this a false
teaching and a great dishonourf to the grace and mercy to his Lord Hal
Lindasy who wrote a different Revelation.
Since "Prophet8" obviously did not like the fact that I only mentioned in my
reply the words of the Lord Jesus Christ without even considering the new
Revelation of Hal Lindsay, therefore I will use the rest of this post to
write about this new TV prophet.
To claim Political power over all the Nations of the Globe,
Hal Lindsay and the Pre-Tribulation leaders are preaching that
Satan has not been cast out of heaven. According to these
ambitious Clerics, Christ will only reign when they finally
accede to Political Power and govern the whole World.
The "Christian" Community is so captivated by the fantastic
Revelations of Hal Lindsay on TBN and by the Left Behind
stuffs, that the good old Scriptures of the Bible have long
been forgotten.
Col:2:14: Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that
was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out
of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15: AND HAVING SPOILED PRINCIPALITIES AND
POWERS, HE MADE A SHEW OF THEM OPENLY,
TRIUMPHING OVER THEM IN IT.
Mk:3:27: No man can enter into a strong man's house, and
SPOIL his goods, except he will first BIND the strong man;
and then he will SPOIL his house.
What a surprise! These verses are conveying a message that
is neither religiously or politically correct. Unbelievably
the words written in the Bible are proclaiming that Christ
spoiled principalities and powers, binding and triumphing
over them at the Cross. Resurrected, ascended to Heaven,
sitting at the right hand of God, Christ publicly made a
show of Satan. Where did Hal Lindsay get all these strange
political fables he is preaching? He is so confident in his
ability to twist the scriptures that he is not bothered at
all by the eventually that someone may read and understand
these verses? These controversial verses are the explanation
of Rev 20: 1, 2, 3, Saint John saw Satan being locked up in
the bottomless pit.
Eph:4:8: Wherefore he saith, WHEN HE ASCENDED UP
ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVITY CAPTIVE, and gave gifts
unto men.
9: (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also
descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10: HE THAT DESCENDED IS THE SAME ALSO THAT
ASCENDED UP FAR ABOVE ALL HEAVENS, THAT HE
MIGHT FILL ALL THINGS.)
Furthermore we can read in the everlasting Gospel that God spoke
to Jesus shortly before His Crucifixion. The people therefore,
that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said,
an angel spoke to him:
Jn:12:30: Jesus answered and said, This voice came not
because of me, but for your sakes.
31: NOW IS THE JUDGMENT OF THIS WORLD:
NOW SHALL THE PRINCE OF THIS WORLD BE CAST
OUT.
32: And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw
all men unto me.
This is for the second time we clearly read that Satan was cast
out by Christ at the cross. Plus we have also read when the
resurrected Christ ascended up on high he led captivity captive.
He that descended in the lower parts of the earth is the same
one who chained Satan in the bottomless pit. Christ ascended far
above all Heavens, giving power to the Church to overcome Satan
by his blood.
Rv:12:10: And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, NOW IS
COME SALVATION, AND STRENGTH, AND THE
KINGDOM OF OUR GOD,
AND THE POWER OF HIS CHRIST: FOR THE ACCUSER
OF OUR BRETHREN IS CAST DOWN, which accused them
before our God day and night.
11: And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the
word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto
the death.
To achieve his political goals Hal Lindsay has been deceptively
teaching great words against Christ. Intentionally he deprived
Christ of his Kingship to elevate the Prince of Darkness above
the Heaven. Amazingly a large number of believers are delighted
by the antichrist teachings of this brilliant politician who is
hiding under the mantle of Christianity.
Col:2:8: Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and
vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of
the world, and not after Christ.
9: FOR IN HIM DWELLETH ALL THE FULNESS OF THE
GODHEAD BODILY.
10: And ye are complete in him, WHICH IS THE HEAD OF ALL
PRINCIPALITY AND POWER:
1Pt:321: The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save
us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer
of a good conscience toward God,) BY THE RESURRECTION OF
JESUS CHRIST:
22: WHO IS GONE INTO HEAVEN, AND IS ON THE RIGHT
HAND OF GOD; ANGELS AND AUTHORITIES AND POWERS
BEING MADE SUBJECT UNTO HIM.
In the Gospel of Truth we can read that sitting at the right hand
of God, Christ resurrected is the head of all Principality and
Power. The angels and powers are made subject unto him. However
Hal Lindsay, manipulating and distorting the scriptures, is not
embarrassed to teach that Christ has not reigned yet. He must think
we, Christians, are stupid and have absolutely no understanding of
the Scriptures. In the Epistle of Jude we can clearly read that
Christ has been reigning even at the time of the writing of the
Gospel and for ever. Jude:1:25: TO THE ONLY WISE GOD OUR
SAVIOUR, BE GLORY AND MAJESTY, DOMINION AND
POWER, BOTH NOW AND EVER.AMEN. Further more we
can read in 1Cor:15:25,26: "FOR HE MUST REIGN, TILL HE
HATH PUT ALL ENEMIES UNDER HIS FEET. The last
enemy that shall be destroyed is death". Even though it is written
that Christ has been reigning and must reign until the end, Hal
Lindsay is convincing the Church that Christ did not reign at all.
I have no objection to the political aspiration of Mr. Lindsay,
however I am completely scandalized that he is abasing the Cross
and treading the Gospel under his feet to attain his Political
objectives to reign over the whole world.
Eph:1:17: That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father
of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation
in the knowledge of him:
18: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye
may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches
of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
19: And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward
who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20: WHICH HE WROUGHT IN CHRIST, WHEN HE RAISED
HIM FROM THE DEAD, AND SET HIM AT HIS OWN RIGHT
HAND IN THE HEAVENLY PLACES,
21: FAR ABOVE ALL PRINCIPALITY, AND POWER, AND
MIGHT, AND DOMINION, AND EVERY NAME THAT IS
NAMED, NOT ONLY IN THIS WORLD, BUT ALSO IN THAT
WHICH IS TO COME:
22: AND HATH PUT ALL THINGS UNDER HIS FEET, AND
GAVE HIM TO BE THE HEAD OVER ALL THINGS to the church,
23: Which is his body, the fulness oF HIM THAT FILLETH ALL IN ALL.
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| Title: Re: THE MARK & THE VOICE OF THE BEAST |
24 Nov 2004 06:22:53 PM |
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"David Matthieu P.P." <johnrevelation7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:30jcdeF31bs5vU1@uni-berlin.de...
"Prophet8" <someone@truthforever.now> wrote in message
news:c0Rod.319088$%k.30780@pd7tw2no...
Your false teaching is a great dishonour to the grace and mercy of our
Lord.
Disagree with me all you want, but don't think you have any authority to
judge my faith in his word.
"Prophet8" certainly have faith in the word of his Lord Hal Lindsay who
also
gave authority to this poster to even reject the words of Jesus Christ.
Even though Saint John received the Revelation from Christ himself that
the
Candlesticks represents the Churches in the vision of Revelation,
"Prophet8"
on the other hand also received a Revelation from Hal Lindsay that the
Candlesticks in Rv:11:4 are no Churches. My reply was only based on the
truth revealed by the Lord Jesus Christ, but for "Prophet8" this a false
teaching and a great dishonourf to the grace and mercy to his Lord Hal
Lindasy who wrote a different Revelation.
Again, i ask, show me anywhere after the fifth chapter that mentions the
Ekklesia. You can't find one.
It is also very plain what the two witnesses are, and they are not the body
of Christ. They have a special mission for the remnant of Israel, and after
they are killed they are taken back to heaven.
Perhaps you should brush up on your meaning of pronouns and read this again?
It is CLEARLY talking about TWO literal persons, NOT the body of Christ, or
Ekklesia which is represented by SEVEN candlesticks.
1 ¶ And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood,
saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that
worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not;
for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under
foot forty and two months.
3 ¶ And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a
thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before
the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and
devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this
manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their
prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the
earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that
ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall
overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which
spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see
their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead
bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make
merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets
tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered
into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them
which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up
hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld
them.
This private interpretation of yours, that these two witnesses are actually
the seven candlesticks is not supported by scripture.
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| User: "David Matthieu P.P." |
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| Title: Re: THE MARK & THE VOICE OF THE BEAST |
25 Nov 2004 03:57:54 AM |
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"Prophet8" <someone@truthforever.now> wrote in message
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Again, i ask, show me anywhere after the fifth chapter that mentions the
Ekklesia. You can't find one.
Since you invited me to read again these passages, so let's read them and
may be this time you will see the"Ekklesia":
Rv:11:1: And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood,
saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that
worship therein.
2Cor:6:16: And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are
the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and
walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
(And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of
God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people,
and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.)
17: Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord,
and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18: And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters,
saith the Lord Almighty.
Rv:11:2: But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it
not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread
under foot forty and two months.
Mt:5:14: Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot
be hid.
Rv:21:10: And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain,
and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven
from God,
11: Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most
precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
Rv:21:2: And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God
out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3: And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of
God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people,
and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Much more critical information can be unveiled from the scriptures referring
to this final period of the two witnesses who by the way the holy Spirit has
also revealed to be two candlesticks. Even though you were searching for the
word "Ekklesia": after the chapter five in the book of Revelation, yet these
verses of Chapter 11 refer to the restoration of the Church. In these verses
of the book of Revelation, this restoration of the Church is also compared
to the rebuilding of the temple of Jerusalem during the time of Zechariah by
Zerubbabel and Joshua:
Rv:11:3: And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and
they shall prophesy A THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND THREESCORE
DAYS, clothed in sackcloth.
4: These are the TWO OLIVE TREES, and the two candlesticks
STANDING BEFORE THE GOD OF THE EARTH.
Zech:4:
1: And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me,
as a man that is wakened out of his sleep,
2: And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have
looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl
upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven
pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
3: And TWO OLIVE TREES by it, one upon the right side of the
bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.
4: So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me,
saying, What are these, my lord?
Zech:4:
11: Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these
TWO OLIVE TREES upon the right side of the candlestick
and upon the left side thereof?
12: And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these
two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty
the golden oil out of themselves?
13: And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be?
And I said, No, my lord.
14: Then said he, These are the TWO ANOINTED ONES, THAT STAND
BY THE LORD OF THE WHOLE EARTH.
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