No, God is myth. Teaching children that God is real is promoting
deceit and is promoting an element of anti-humanism which is

antithetical to freedom, freethinking, liberty, and pro-humanism
in a modern world. Ideally, education on the facts of religions
would be advisable. In your case, I doubt you're interested in
or capable of such an endeavor, so the children influenced by
your teachings are likely to be steeped in the ancient mindsets
of childhood brainwashing which continue to invest inordinate
energy in mythical approaches to existence.

5) Teach children to expect punishment for breaking laws, both

and God's.

God is myth. Government must be monitored, and the populace,
including children, must be wary of being mislead by any entity
that has the resources, power, and proclivity to misdirect the
populace in ways deleterious to human welfare and freedom.
On a simpler level, for children, see my response to "1", above.

6) Stop trying to fund and legislate liberal belief systems to the

of parents who don't want it, and certainly don't want to pay for it.

To what are you referring?

7) De-Fund any and all liberal program that seeks to undermine parental
authority at their own expense. Like public schools.

You're against public schools? Sad, really, in that the anti-public
school crowd supports divisive policies which engender discrimin-
ation against minorities (in large measure, but not in all instances),
divisiveness along religious and economic lines, promotion of
ancient myths as facts, and living one's only chance at life steeped
in ancient mindsets far removed from open-minded search for
verity, far removed from pluralistic and secularistic pro-humanism
as an ideal end, far removed from respect for tolerance of reli-
gious/non-religious diversity, far removed from respect for free
choices on a whole host of social-cultural issues, far removed
from estimable education on the actual nature of religions and
the downsides associated therewith, and far removed from the
inherent value of the human individual based on freedom and
based on tolerance for the broad array of individual character-
istics which enrich society by virtue of the ability of individuals
to freely and democratically express their ideals in the open-
market of human discourse.

To be honest.

"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" <phf@ghg.net> wrote in message
news:3f2809b6_2@news.ghg.net...

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The current method christians use to promote and
perpetuate their faith:

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Cover up the downsides of religious history, threaten
children with eternal damnation if they don't believe
the christian view, and treat all other religions and
freedom from faith as works of demons or unworthy
of even being studied as to the facts regarding those
religions and freedom from faith?

Yes, that's the path that christians use to perpetuate
their faith.

Moral? No, that's merely treating children as objects
for brainwashing, leading to delusion, confusion, deceit
by parents, and continued slavery for the children, their
children, and so on and so forth, ad infinitum ... in an
endless cycle of brainwashing from one generation to
the next.

There must be a better way ...

Actually, providing choices for children would enable
children to make intelligent decisions about what belief
or disbelief to follow. With a broad background in
religious facts, religious history, and facts regarding
disbelief, our next generation would gird against anti-
human laws prevalent in today's society.

A workable program would continue to allow parents
to teach their faith (per cultural tradition) while providing
children with a broad spectrum of religious facts, ethics,
and fundamentals regarding beliefs and disbeliefs.

There is, I admit, a period of time that starts very early
for some, where society would be hard-pressed to pro-
vide information to a child, with parents tempted to use
brainwashing to achieve their goals. However, at a later
age, programs could be developed to accomplish the
goals of brainwash-protection by providing young chil-
dren with information on the facts of religions, beliefs,
and disbeliefs in schools.

Let me detail a better way for raising our children:

At an early age, children should be provided the facts on
religions, beliefs, and disbeliefs so that they can decide
for themselves what belief or disbelief to adopt as their
own.

Another advantage to dealing with brainwashing through
education at an early age is that education standards
would have to be recognized by all schools, secular and
non-secular, as is the case for reading, writing, and
arithmetic today.

The exact standards vary from state to state, but regard-
less of where a student attends school, education stan-
dards must be met.

Setting a standard that facts regarding religions, beliefs,
and disbeliefs should be taught would simply add another
measure by which student knowledge could be tested
and ascertained to assure they are getting the information
needed to make decisions impacting their lives, their future,
their choices.

Why wait until students are in first grade?

Here's an idea for you - provide tax incentives for daycares
to educate preschoolers on the facts regarding religions,
beliefs, and disbeliefs. I can tell you from personal exper-
ience that many christians like to "god-proof" (brainwash)
their child when they're 3, 4, 5, and the only counter society
has for such "god-proofing" (brainwashing) is to bring the
facts on religions, beliefs, and disbeliefs to the children who
go to daycare.

You would be surprised at the methods used by churches
in America to indoctrinate (brainwash) the very young into
their belief systems. Drawings of Jesus prancing across a
hilltop offering love and eternal life to children, feeding the
hungry, songs of praise, yadayadayadayada.

Why not promote information distribution regarding the
facts on beliefs and disbeliefs?

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Popular song used to seduce little children
into the christian faith:

Jesus Loves the Little Children ...

... All the children of the world,
Red and yellow black and white,
They're all precious in his site,
Jesus loves the little children of the world.

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By the way, I, a human being, love
all human beings, christians, muslims,
hindus, buddhists, jews, gnostics,
pagans, atheists, agnostics, humanists,
freelovers, freethinkers, all of
non-faith/faith/distance from faith,
and I, a human being, threaten no one,
*ever*, with any torment/punishment
should they not feel as I do regarding
the wondrous joy and pleasure that can
be had by all via a pro-human, pro-love,
and pro-freedom life free of faith.

} {aside}
}
} Preface: Note that all of the following
} is a simple iteration of fact. For those
} who find the facts unappealing, change
} the way the world is, don't pretend that
} by denial/refusal to acknowledge the
} nature of christian faith, you can make
} it all go away like a fairy with a magic
} wand.
}
} As long as you leverage your faith
} off the christian bible, you're tied to
} every aspect of christian faith iterated
} in this post - you cannot, logically,
} reasonably, non-pretentiously, support
} a faith based on the christian bible by
} simply pretending the following does not
} exist or is irrelevant to the aspects of
} faith that you happen to like while you
} go about your life in denial as if the
} downsides of christian faith don't exist
} except "by them" (those not of your so-
} called doctrinal liberal sanctimonious
} pretentious superiority by virtue of
} your denial of responsibility for every
} aspect of faith not one with positive
} characteristics in a secular modern
} world).
}
} {end aside}

The above (a song sung/taught to
children in most christian churches),
one example of the extent of brain-
washing many (most?) Americans put
their children through (a not so subtle
implication/message to children being
that not believing Jesus loves you
makes you bad/evil).

So, the message we have from the song
is that Jesus is good, believe in Jesus,
and Jesus died for you.

Not mentioned in the song:

By the way, believe this or burn in hell,
forever, iterated through much of Chris-
tianity, denied or distanced from by
some (unspecified) number of Christians.

Tragically, many children are inflicted
with that hell meme (via hellfire and
brimstone pastors, the christian bible,
and subtle 'hints' from even the most
liberal of christian establishments)
while the love of Jesus is bragged
about openly (and brainwashed into
children as = to good while not
believing is claimed = to bad).

Difficult for many (most?) children to
overcome all that guilt force fed into
them from childhood ...

And this, many (most?) Americans feel
compelled to put their children through ...

But, the children grow up and (some,
many, most?) come to realize they've
been lied to/misled, by their parents
and church authority figures and society
and culture, and they must deal with
those lies/deception (and the absurdity/
pretentiousness of the society/culture
in which they find themselves) for
their entire lives ...

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Christian roots? A long journey of
sacrifice, pain, and death, inspired
by God (so the bible claims), for
animals, men, women, and children ...

The following are some of God's death
instructions impacting children - see
the following link for a more complete
list of violence/cruelty in the bible,
causing many folks to see pro-humanism
and God worship as polar opposites:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty.html

God, the mass murderer.
Genesis 7:4, 19:24

God threatens to kill the Pharaoh's
firstborn son.
Exodus 4:23

God murders the Egyptian firstborn
humans and animals.
Exodus 12:30

Children who strike their parents
are to be killed.
Exodus 21:15

God kills Aaron's sons for offering
"strange fire before the Lord."
Leviticus 10:1-2

Children who curse their parents,
adulterers, and homosexuals must
be killed.
Leviticus 20:9-12

The unchaste daughters of priests
must be burnt to death.
Leviticus 21:9

God will "send wild beasts among
you, which shall rob your of your
children."
Leviticus 26:22

"And ye shall eat the flesh of your
sons, and the flesh of your daughters
shall ye eat."
Leviticus 26:30

God kills Aaron's sons for offering
"strange fire before the Lord."
Numbers 3:4, 26:61

God hardens King Sihon's spirit and
then kills him and all the men, women,
and "little ones" in his kingdom.
Deuteronomy 2:30-34

God delivers Og into Moses' hands,
who then kills every man, woman, and
child in every city.
Deuteronomy 3:3-6

God tells the Israelites to kill
everyone in the lands that they
conquer and to "show no mercy unto
them."
Deuteronomy 7:2

Kill any friends or family that
worship a god that is different
than your own.
Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Kill all the inhabitants of any
city where you find people that
worship differently than you.
Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious
views that are different than your
own.
Deuteronomy 17:2-7

Kill anyone who refuses to listen
to a priest.
Deuteronomy 17:12-13

Kill all the men and boys in the
cities that God "delivers into your
hands," but keep the women for
yourself.
Deuteronomy 20:13-15

Kill everything that breathes in
the cities that God gives you for
an inheritance.
Deuteronomy 20:16

Kill rebellious or disobedient sons.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21

Kill rape victims if they fail to cry
out loud enough.
Deuteronomy 22:23-34

If you misbehave, God will make you
eat your sons and daughters.
Deuteronomy 28:53, 28:55 28:56-67

Don't make God angry or he'll burn
or starve you to death. If that fails,
he'll have some animals eat you or
snakes bite you. As a last resort
he'll kill you with "the sword
without, and terror within." He'll
"destroy both the young man and the
virgin, the suckling also with the
man of gray hairs."
Deuteronomy 32:23-25

Joshua killed "everything that
breathed" in each of the cities
that he conquered, "as the Lord
God of Israel commanded."
Joshua 6:21, 8:24-26, 10:28-29,
10:32-33, 10:35, 10:37, 10:38,
10:40, 11:8, 11:11, 11:12, 11:14,
11:21

If you happen to see "the accursed
thing," don't touch it. If you do,
you, your family, and all of your
animals must be burned.
Joshua 7:1-26

God gets right in and fights with
the Israelites. He "slew them with
a great slaughter" and even "chased
them along the way." What a guy.
Joshua 10:10

God threw down "great stones from
heaven" so that he could kill even
more people than the Israelites
"slew with the sword."
Joshua 10:11

Jephthah sacrifices his daughter
to God.
Judges 11:29-39

God orders Saul to kill every
Amalekite "man and woman, infant
and suckling, ox and sheep, camel
and *****."
1 Samuel 15:3

David kills all the Amalekites
again (see 15:7-8 where Saul
kills them all the first time).
1 Samuel 27:8-11

To punish David for having Uriah
killed, God kills David's
newborn son.
2 Samuel 12:15, 18

God kills a couple hundred thousand
people to punish David for having
a census.
2 Samuel 24:15

Laying the foundation for a city
using your firstborn child and
using your youngest son to set
up the gates.
1 Kings 16:34

When many people are needlessly
slaughtered, you will know that
the Lord is God.
1 Kings 20:28

God sends two bears to rip up
42 little children for making
fun of Elisha's bald head.
2 Kings 2:23-24

Mothers boiling and eating their
own children.
2 Kings 6:28-29

God sends a famine on the people
that lasts for seven years.
2 Kings 8:1

The 70 sons of Ahab are killed and
their heads are put in baskets.
2 Kings 10:7-8

Jehu shows off his "zeal for the
Lord" by murdering everyone in
Samaria.
2 Kings 10:16-17

God sends lions to devour the
Samaritans because "they knew not
the manner of the God of the land."
2 Kings 17:25-26

David tortures all the inhabitants
of several cities with saws, harrows
of iron, and axes.
1 Chronicles 20:3

God kills the king of Israel and
helps Abijah kill 500,000 Israelites.
2 Chronicles 13:15-20

In the largest single God-assisted
massacre in the bible, Asa kills one
million Ethiopians.
2 Chronicles 14:8-13

Whoever does not seek the God of
Israel should be executed.
2 Chronicles 15:13

God killed the women and children
of Judah and smote the men with an
incurable disease of the bowels
until their "bowels fell out."
2 Chronicles 21:14-19

Amaziah, with God's help, kills
10,000 people; another 10,000 he
leaves alive so that he can throw
them off a cliff and break them in
pieces.
2 Chronicles 25:11-12

Pekah kills 120,000 people in one
day "because they had forsaken the
Lord God of their fathers".
2 Chronicles 28:6, 8

God sends the king of the Chaldees
to kill all the "young men with the
sword." He had "no compassion upon
young man or maiden, old man, or
him that stooped for age: he gave
them all into his hand."
2 Chronicles 36:16-17

Esther has Haman's ten sons hung.
Est.9:13

God (or Satan) kills Job's children
in a windstorm.
Job 1:19

God will rain fire and brimstone
upon "wicked" people.
Psalms 11:6

The God of Peace teaches us to kill
our neighbors in war.
Psalms 18:34

If God doesn't like you, he'll burn
you to death.
Psalms 21:9

If you forget God he will tear you
in pieces.
Psalms 50:22

If you don't trust God, he'll kill
you, and while you're dying the
"righteous" will laugh at you.
Psalms 52:5-6

"The righteous" will rejoice when
they see "the wicked" being
dismembered by God. They'll "wash
their feet in the blood of the
wicked."
Psalms 58:10

God will "fill the places with dead
bodies."
Psalms 110:6

God is praised for slaughtering
little babies.
Psalms 135:8, 136:10

Happiness is smashing your little
children against rocks.
Psalms 137:9

A prayer that God will burn people
to death.
Psalms 140:10

Beat the hell out of your children.
Proverbs 13:24, 19:18, 22:15,
23:13-14, 29:15

"The blueness of a wound cleanseth
away evil; so do stripes the inward
parts of the belly."
Proverbs 20:30

Beat your slaves just like you do
your children. Don't try to correct
them with words.
Proverbs 29:19

If you mock your father or disobey
your mother, the ravens will pick
out your eyeballs and feed them to
the eagles.
Proverbs 30:17

If God can find you, he will "thrust
you through," smash your children
"to pieces" before your eyes, and
rape your wife.
Isaiah 13:15-18

God will kill the young men in war
and starve their children to death.
Jeremiah 11:22-23

God's sword will "devour" everyone
until "no flesh shall have peace."
Jeremiah 12:12

God will make everyone drunk and
then "dash the fathers and the sons
together." He vows to "not pity, nor
spare, nor have mercy, but destroy
them."
Jeremiah 13:13-14

God promises to kill everyone by
war, starvation, and disease.
Jeremiah 14:12,24:10, 29:17-18,
42:17-18, 22

God has ordained that everyone
"shall die of grievous deaths,"
and that they shall neither "be
lamented" nor even buried, but
"they shall be as dung upon the
face of the earth."
Jeremiah 16:3-4

When the people ask why God is
killing everyone, God answers
by saying, "Because your fathers
have forsaken me."
Jeremiah 16:10

Jeremiah asks God to kill the
young men in war and the children
by starvation.
Jeremiah 18:21

God will make parents eat their
own children, and friends eat
each other.
Jeremiah 19:7-9

God will kill everyone, "both
man and beast," with a "great
pestilence."
Jeremiah 21:6

God will force all of Israel to
"be drunken." Then, he'll kill
them all with a sword.
Jeremiah 24:27-28

God will kill so many people that
the entire earth will be covered
with their dead bodies. No one
is to mourn them or even bury
them, "they shall be as dung upon
the ground."
Jeremiah 25:33

Even those Jews that flee to Egypt
will not be spared. God will hunt
them down and kill them all with
war, famine, and disease.
Jeremiah 44:12-13

God will cause the daughters of
Rabbah to be burned to death.
Jeremiah 49:2

God will "break in pieces" pretty
much everyone and everything he
can think of..
Jeremiah 51:21-23

God will cause fathers to eat their
sons and sons to eat their fathers.
Ezekiel 5:10

God plans to kill everyone with
plagues, famines, and wars. But
if any still survive, then he'll
send beasts to devour them.
Ezekiel 5:17

God plans to decorate the land
with human bones and dead bodies.
Ezekiel 6:5

Nebuchadnezzar orders those who
accused Daniel (including their
wives and children) to be cast
into the lions den.
Daniel 6:24

God assures Hosea that he will
"slay even the beloved fruit of
the womb."
Hosea 9:16

God promises to dash to pieces
the infants of Samaria and "their
women with child shall be ripped
up."
Hosea 13:16

Jesus strongly approves of the
law and the prophets. He hasn't
the slightest objection to the
cruelties of the Old Testament.
Matthew 5:17

Jesus says that most people are
going to hell.
Matthew 7:13-14

Families will be torn apart
because of Jesus. "Brother shall
deliver up the brother to death,
and the father the child: and
the children shall rise up
against their parents, and
cause them to be put to death.
Matthew 10:21

Jesus condemns entire cities
to dreadful deaths and to
the eternal torment of hell
because they didn't care for
his preaching.
Matthew 11:20-24

Jesus will send his angels
to gather up "all that offend"
and they "shall cast them into
a furnace of fire: there shall
be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
Matthew 13:41-42, 50

Jesus is criticized by the
Pharisees for not washing his
hands before eating. He defends
himself by attacking them for
not killing disobedient children
according to the commandment:
"He that curseth father or
mother, let him die the death."
Matthew 15:4-7

Any city that doesn't "receive"
the followers of Jesus will be
destroyed in a manner even more
savage than that of Sodom and
Gomorrah.
Mark 6:11

Jesus criticizes the Jews for
not killing their disobedient
children according to Old
Testament law.
Mark 7:9

Jesus tells us to cut off our
hands and feet, and pluck out
our eyes to avoid going to hell.
Mark 9:43

Jesus says that entire cities
will be violently destroyed
and the inhabitants "thrust
down to hell" for not
"receiving" his disciples.
Luke 10:10-15

Jesus says that we should
fear God since he has the
power to kill us and then
torture us forever in hell.
Luke 12:5

All of the vicious Old
Testament laws will be
binding forever.
Luke 16:17

Those who, for whatever
reason, do not believe in
Jesus are tormented forever
in hell.
John 3:18

Jesus says that the wrath
of God" is on all unbelievers.
John 3:36

Those who do not believe in
Jesus will be cast into
a fire to be burned.
John 15:6

God will torture forever
those who don't know the
password to heaven.
Acts 4:12

Jesus will take "vengeance
on them that know not God"
by burning them forever "in
flaming fire."
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9

God gives Death and Hell
the task of indiscriminately
killing one quarter of the
earth's human population with
the sword, starvation, and
"with the beasts of the
earth."
Revelations 6:8

Four angels, with an army
of 200 million, killed a third
of the earth's population.
Revelations 9:15-19

God will have people killed
by fire, plagues, and beasts.
There will be dead bodies
rotting, unburied everywhere.
And those that are not killed
by God (the Christians?) will
"rejoice over them [the dead
nonchristians?] and make merry,
and shall send gifts to one
another."
Revelations 11:5-10

God will send fire from heaven
to devour people.
Revelations 20:9-10

Whoever isn't found listed in
the book of life will be
cast into the lake of fire.
Revelations 20:15

Those who are fearful or
unbelieving will be cast into
"the lake which burneth with
fire and brimstone."
Revelations 21:8

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By the way, there is no evidence
God exists other than the ______
[fill in word here] like that
presented above.

It would appear that the evidence
is overwhelming that humans made
up the God/sacrifice stuff and
that Gods/sacrifices the world
over are evidence of humankind's
journey from the depths of
ignorance and fear to (hopefully,
some day, if humankind can stop
the pernicious and evil brain-
washing/guilt-tripping of children
into blind faith routine) ...

A natural, deep, and meaningful
understanding of our true nature
in a natural god-free world.

For a more sane, rational, caring,
considerate, just, worthy, fulfilling,
pro-freedom, pro-loving, pro-children,
pro-human, and peaceful way to live
out your one and only sure shot at
life, on this earth, at this time,
refer to FREELOVER principles:
http://www.ghg.net/phf/freelover.htm

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