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" ::: good news :::" |
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22 Sep 2007 08:55:04 PM |
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The New Jerusalem for the Children of Israel |
And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and
shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven
from God, Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone
most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; And had a
wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve
angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve
tribes of the children of Israel. (Revelation 21:10-12 KJV)
God is so faithful! He will never let His Elect down, and the children
if Israel will walk into the Holy City as the first whom God elected.
They are the apple of His eye.
Do not worry, God is in control, always.
::: vera :::
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| User: "L.T. David" |
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| Title: Re: The New Jerusalem for the Children of Israel |
22 Sep 2007 10:03:19 PM |
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" ::: good news :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5llvbpF8ta18U1@mid.individual.net...
And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and
shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven
from God, Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone
most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; And had a wall
great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and
names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the
children of Israel. (Revelation 21:10-12 KJV)
God is so faithful! He will never let His Elect down, and the children of
Israel will walk into the Holy City as the first whom God elected. They
are the apple of His eye.
The Holy Jerusalem is a Christian city. Maybe the Jews have a 'Holy
Tel-Aviv' up there just for themselves. I wouldn't worry if I was you. Why
are you trying so hard to please the Jewish readers on these newsgroups?
Can't you not treat them like any other human beings. Is it guilt? Are you
going to live the rest of your life with a guilty conscience because you're
German. It's history, forget it.
Do not worry, God is in control, always.
::: vera :::
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::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm :::::::
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::::::: http://alpha.org/default.asp :::::::
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| User: "Fred A Stover" |
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| Title: Re: The New Jerusalem for the Children of Israel |
23 Sep 2007 04:01:35 AM |
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"L.T. David" <LTDC@newsnet.ca> wrote in message
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" ::: good news :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5llvbpF8ta18U1@mid.individual.net...
And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and
shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven
from God, Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone
most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; And had a wall
great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and
names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the
children of Israel. (Revelation 21:10-12 KJV)
God is so faithful! He will never let His Elect down, and the children of
Israel will walk into the Holy City as the first whom God elected. They
are the apple of His eye.
The Holy Jerusalem is a Christian city. Maybe the Jews have a 'Holy
Tel-Aviv' up there just for themselves. I wouldn't worry if I was you. Why
are you trying so hard to please the Jewish readers on these newsgroups?
Can't you not treat them like any other human beings. Is it guilt? Are you
going to live the rest of your life with a guilty conscience because
you're German. It's history, forget it.
It isn't a matter of pleasing Jewish readers who probably aren't too pleased
with a lot we say. It's a matter of folks claiming to be Christians and
denying the promises to the Jews in the NT. The Christian scriptures say
Israel was blinded in part so gentiles could be brought into the promises,
and would be saved later. Someone contrary to that is as offensive to
Christians as worshipping having sex with a pig would be to jews and
muslims.
His,
Do not worry, God is in control, always.
::: vera :::
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::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de :::::::
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm :::::::
::::::: http://www.e-sword.net :::::::
::::::: http://alpha.org/default.asp :::::::
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| User: " ::: good news :::" |
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| Title: Re: The New Jerusalem for the Children of Israel |
23 Sep 2007 06:15:40 AM |
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In news:PXpJi.51466$Um6.3636@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net,
Fred A Stover <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> typed:
"L.T. David" <LTDC@newsnet.ca> wrote in message
news:FHkJi.8896$RI4.53353@wagner.videotron.net...
" ::: good news :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5llvbpF8ta18U1@mid.individual.net...
And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain,
and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out
of heaven from God, Having the glory of God: and her light was like
unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as
crystal; And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and
at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are
the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel.
(Revelation 21:10-12 KJV) God is so faithful! He will never let His
Elect down, and the
children of Israel will walk into the Holy City as the first whom
God elected. They are the apple of His eye.
The Holy Jerusalem is a Christian city. Maybe the Jews have a 'Holy
Tel-Aviv' up there just for themselves. I wouldn't worry if I was
you. Why are you trying so hard to please the Jewish readers on
these newsgroups? Can't you not treat them like any other human
beings. Is it guilt? Are you going to live the rest of your life
with a guilty conscience because you're German. It's history, forget
it.
It isn't a matter of pleasing Jewish readers who probably aren't too
pleased with a lot we say. It's a matter of folks claiming to be
Christians and denying the promises to the Jews in the NT. The
Christian scriptures say Israel was blinded in part so gentiles could
be brought into the promises, and would be saved later. Someone
contrary to that is as offensive to Christians as worshipping having
sex with a pig would be to jews and muslims.
Amen.
I have also found out that the Jewish are not really very happy with us
Christians. It is just - well, how can I explain it - no, it is not
guilt, for I was not even born when all the horror took place here in
Germany - it is just love I feel for these people. God has put them onto
my heart. I love them, because God loves them. He is enthusiastic about
them, and He has infected me. :-)
His,
God bless you,
::: vera :::
who just came from church and is heading off to the lake
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::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de :::::::
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm :::::::
::::::: http://www.e-sword.net :::::::
::::::: http://alpha.org/default.asp :::::::
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| User: "L.T. David" |
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| Title: Re: The New Jerusalem for the Children of Israel |
23 Sep 2007 07:26:50 AM |
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" ::: good news :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5ln06pF93a5mU1@mid.individual.net...
In news:PXpJi.51466$Um6.3636@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net,
Fred A Stover <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> typed:
"L.T. David" <LTDC@newsnet.ca> wrote in message
news:FHkJi.8896$RI4.53353@wagner.videotron.net...
" ::: good news :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5llvbpF8ta18U1@mid.individual.net...
And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain,
and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out
of heaven from God, Having the glory of God: and her light was like
unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as
crystal; And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and
at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are
the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel.
(Revelation 21:10-12 KJV) God is so faithful! He will never let His
Elect down, and the
children of Israel will walk into the Holy City as the first whom
God elected. They are the apple of His eye.
The Holy Jerusalem is a Christian city. Maybe the Jews have a 'Holy
Tel-Aviv' up there just for themselves. I wouldn't worry if I was
you. Why are you trying so hard to please the Jewish readers on
these newsgroups? Can't you not treat them like any other human
beings. Is it guilt? Are you going to live the rest of your life
with a guilty conscience because you're German. It's history, forget
it.
It isn't a matter of pleasing Jewish readers who probably aren't too
pleased with a lot we say. It's a matter of folks claiming to be
Christians and denying the promises to the Jews in the NT. The
Christian scriptures say Israel was blinded in part so gentiles could
be brought into the promises, and would be saved later. Someone
contrary to that is as offensive to Christians as worshipping having
sex with a pig would be to jews and muslims.
Amen.
I have also found out that the Jewish are not really very happy with us
Christians. It is just - well, how can I explain it - no, it is not guilt,
for I was not even born when all the horror took place here in Germany -
it is just love I feel for these people. God has put them onto my heart. I
love them, because God loves them. He is enthusiastic about them, and He
has infected me. :-)
I'm sorry but knowing you from all those hate posts you send every day, this
sounds to me as plain hypocrisy. Why not treat Jews as you would ordinary
people you meet in your everyday life. Let Jews worry about their own
problems. You don't owe them a thing, no more than you do other people on
these newsgroups. Jews with the Jews, Roman with the Romans, the way of a
good politician.
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| User: "Fred A Stover" |
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| Title: Re: The New Jerusalem for the Children of Israel |
23 Sep 2007 06:15:05 PM |
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"L.T. David" <LTDC@newsnet.ca> wrote in message
news:VXsJi.3$sn1.206@weber.videotron.net...
" ::: good news :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5ln06pF93a5mU1@mid.individual.net...
In news:PXpJi.51466$Um6.3636@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net,
Fred A Stover <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> typed:
"L.T. David" <LTDC@newsnet.ca> wrote in message
news:FHkJi.8896$RI4.53353@wagner.videotron.net...
" ::: good news :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:5llvbpF8ta18U1@mid.individual.net...
And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain,
and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out
of heaven from God, Having the glory of God: and her light was like
unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as
crystal; And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and
at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are
the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel.
(Revelation 21:10-12 KJV) God is so faithful! He will never let His
Elect down, and the
children of Israel will walk into the Holy City as the first whom
God elected. They are the apple of His eye.
The Holy Jerusalem is a Christian city. Maybe the Jews have a 'Holy
Tel-Aviv' up there just for themselves. I wouldn't worry if I was
you. Why are you trying so hard to please the Jewish readers on
these newsgroups? Can't you not treat them like any other human
beings. Is it guilt? Are you going to live the rest of your life
with a guilty conscience because you're German. It's history, forget
it.
It isn't a matter of pleasing Jewish readers who probably aren't too
pleased with a lot we say. It's a matter of folks claiming to be
Christians and denying the promises to the Jews in the NT. The
Christian scriptures say Israel was blinded in part so gentiles could
be brought into the promises, and would be saved later. Someone
contrary to that is as offensive to Christians as worshipping having
sex with a pig would be to jews and muslims.
Amen.
I have also found out that the Jewish are not really very happy with us
Christians. It is just - well, how can I explain it - no, it is not
guilt, for I was not even born when all the horror took place here in
Germany - it is just love I feel for these people. God has put them onto
my heart. I love them, because God loves them. He is enthusiastic about
them, and He has infected me. :-)
I'm sorry but knowing you from all those hate posts you send every day,
this sounds to me as plain hypocrisy. Why not treat Jews as you would
ordinary people you meet in your everyday life. Let Jews worry about their
own problems. You don't owe them a thing, no more than you do other people
on these newsgroups. Jews with the Jews, Roman with the Romans, the way of
a good politician.
You haven't heard? There's "a time to love, and a time to hate" (Eccles.
3:8). The hatred derives from, "I will put enmity between thee and the
woman, and between thy seed and her seed" (Gen 3:15), and the love is for
the brothers and sisters in Christ, and in Adam who are not the seed of
Satan.
Your judgment is a bit faulty.
His,
..
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http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
<)))))))><
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| User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." |
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| Title: Re: The New Jerusalem for the Children of Israel |
23 Sep 2007 06:46:55 PM |
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"Fred A Stover" <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:ZrCJi.1361$6p6.71@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
"L.T. David" <LTDC@newsnet.ca> wrote in message
news:VXsJi.3$sn1.206@weber.videotron.net...
[snip]
I'm sorry but knowing you from all those hate posts you send every day,
this sounds to me as plain hypocrisy. Why not treat Jews as you would
ordinary people you meet in your everyday life. Let Jews worry about
their own problems. You don't owe them a thing, no more than you do other
people on these newsgroups. Jews with the Jews, Roman with the Romans,
the way of a good politician.
You haven't heard? There's "a time to love, and a time to hate" (Eccles.
3:8). The hatred derives from, "I will put enmity between thee and the
woman, and between thy seed and her seed" (Gen 3:15), and the love is for
the brothers and sisters in Christ, and in Adam who are not the seed of
Satan.
Your judgment is a bit faulty.
Talk about faulty logic.
1) Half of "whole Israel" is comprised of Israelites whom God will not cast
down.
2) The seed of Satan is the Gentiles.
3) The Gentile believes are grafted INTO Israel, just as Paul wrote.
4) Hence, Christians are guests in Israel's house.
5) You, however, need not show up, as they already have your number, Nazi.
Ike
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| User: "L.T. David" |
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23 Sep 2007 09:47:15 PM |
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:PVCJi.4272$ax2.2472@trndny08...
"Fred A Stover" <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:ZrCJi.1361$6p6.71@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
"L.T. David" <LTDC@newsnet.ca> wrote in message
news:VXsJi.3$sn1.206@weber.videotron.net...
[snip]
I'm sorry but knowing you from all those hate posts you send every day,
this sounds to me as plain hypocrisy. Why not treat Jews as you would
ordinary people you meet in your everyday life. Let Jews worry about
their own problems. You don't owe them a thing, no more than you do
other people on these newsgroups. Jews with the Jews, Roman with the
Romans, the way of a good politician.
You haven't heard? There's "a time to love, and a time to hate" (Eccles.
3:8). The hatred derives from, "I will put enmity between thee and the
woman, and between thy seed and her seed" (Gen 3:15), and the love is for
the brothers and sisters in Christ, and in Adam who are not the seed of
Satan.
Your judgment is a bit faulty.
Talk about faulty logic.
1) Half of "whole Israel" is comprised of Israelites whom God will not
cast down.
Why do you call the Jews and or Israelis "whole Israel" or Israelites? It is
not for them to identify thenselves such? It's certainly not for Christians
to do so. You're not God.
2) The seed of Satan is the Gentiles.
And the Jews are the Serpent, kif kif. lol.
3) The Gentile believes are grafted INTO Israel, just as Paul wrote.
Depends unto which Israel you speak about. Biblical Israel or Jews?
4) Hence, Christians are guests in Israel's house.
How did you figure that out? Your interpretation of the word of God, maybe?
lol.
5) You, however, need not show up, as they already have your number, Nazi.
If ignorants are allowed, you're in.
Read (2Corinthians 11:22-24)
You will find the words Islaelites and Jews in those verses. Did you ever
asked yourself why?
Ike
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| User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." |
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23 Sep 2007 10:50:09 PM |
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"L.T. David" <LTDC@newsnet.ca> wrote in message
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:PVCJi.4272$ax2.2472@trndny08...
"Fred A Stover" <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:ZrCJi.1361$6p6.71@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
"L.T. David" <LTDC@newsnet.ca> wrote in message
news:VXsJi.3$sn1.206@weber.videotron.net...
[snip]
I'm sorry but knowing you from all those hate posts you send every day,
this sounds to me as plain hypocrisy. Why not treat Jews as you would
ordinary people you meet in your everyday life. Let Jews worry about
their own problems. You don't owe them a thing, no more than you do
other people on these newsgroups. Jews with the Jews, Roman with the
Romans, the way of a good politician.
You haven't heard? There's "a time to love, and a time to hate"
(Eccles. 3:8). The hatred derives from, "I will put enmity between thee
and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed" (Gen 3:15), and the
love is for the brothers and sisters in Christ, and in Adam who are not
the seed of Satan.
Your judgment is a bit faulty.
Talk about faulty logic.
1) Half of "whole Israel" is comprised of Israelites whom God will not
cast down.
Why do you call the Jews and or Israelis "whole Israel" or Israelites?
I don't.
"Whole Israel" represents the church eternal, which is comprised of
believing Israelites, believing Gentiles (Christians), and the children of
the Israelite-Christians to come.
It is not for them to identify thenselves such? It's certainly not for
Christians to do so. You're not God.
2) The seed of Satan is the Gentiles.
And the Jews are the Serpent, kif kif. lol.
Uh, no, the "serpent" (a prophetic/metaphorical term for liars) was a
Gentile.
Hence, those are the opposing seeds, i.e. the seed of the Gentiles vs the
seed of Israel.
3) The Gentile believes are grafted INTO Israel, just as Paul wrote.
Depends unto which Israel you speak about. Biblical Israel or Jews?
Well, here's the problem: Somewhere among the people called "Jews" is a true
remnant which God will call out in the End of the Age, as Paul writes...
Ro 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according
to the election of grace.
In Revelation, John documents these in his discussions of the 144,000
Christian-Israelites who "keep the commandments of God AND have the faith of
Jesus," etc., etc.
4) Hence, Christians are guests in Israel's house.
How did you figure that out? Your interpretation of the word of God,
maybe? lol.
Ah, no, the whole function of Romans 11 is that the Gentile believer has no
business boasting against the branches.
5) You, however, need not show up, as they already have your number,
Nazi.
If ignorants are allowed, you're in.
Show me said ignorance.
Read (2Corinthians 11:22-24)
You will find the words Islaelites and Jews in those verses. Did you ever
asked yourself why?
I already know why: There are Jews who are Jews indeed, and Jews who are not
Jews. Problem is, no one knows who is who, nor will anyone until Jesus sorts
the situation out.
Ike
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| User: "L.T. David" |
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| Title: Re: The New Jerusalem for the Children of Israel |
24 Sep 2007 12:49:44 AM |
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"L.T. David" <LTDC@newsnet.ca> wrote in message
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Fred A Stover" <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"L.T. David" <LTDC@newsnet.ca> wrote in message
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[snip]
I'm sorry but knowing you from all those hate posts you send every
day, this sounds to me as plain hypocrisy. Why not treat Jews as you
would ordinary people you meet in your everyday life. Let Jews worry
about their own problems. You don't owe them a thing, no more than you
do other people on these newsgroups. Jews with the Jews, Roman with
the Romans, the way of a good politician.
You haven't heard? There's "a time to love, and a time to hate"
(Eccles. 3:8). The hatred derives from, "I will put enmity between thee
and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed" (Gen 3:15), and the
love is for the brothers and sisters in Christ, and in Adam who are not
the seed of Satan.
Your judgment is a bit faulty.
Talk about faulty logic.
1) Half of "whole Israel" is comprised of Israelites whom God will not
cast down.
Why do you call the Jews and or Israelis "whole Israel" or Israelites?
It is not for them to identify thenselves such? It's certainly not for
Christians to do so. You're not God.
I don't.
"Whole Israel" represents the church eternal, which is comprised of
believing Israelites, believing Gentiles (Christians), and the children of
the Israelite-Christians to come.
I can understand whom you mean by 'Gentiles (Christians)', but who are those
you call believing Israelites? If the "Whole Israel" 'represents the church
eternal', you are leaving the Jews out, unless you invented a new meaning
for the word "church" or you haven't got a clue what the word Israelite
mean. The word Israelite was used to identify the inhabitants of a
geographical location, a piece of land the Bible calls Israel. It does not
have the same meaning as the word "Israel", (spiritual Israel), used in the
Tanach to identify the children of God, the spiritual children of
Jacob-Israel.
2) The seed of Satan is the Gentiles.
And the Jews are the Serpent, kif kif. lol.
Uh, no, the "serpent" (a prophetic/metaphorical term for liars) was a
Gentile.
irrelevant.
Hence, those are the opposing seeds, i.e. the seed of the Gentiles vs the
seed of Israel.
Jews versus non-Jews? Gentiles are neither Christians nor Jews.
3) The Gentile believes are grafted INTO Israel, just as Paul wrote.
Depends unto which Israel you speak about. Biblical Israel or Jews?
Well, here's the problem: Somewhere among the people called "Jews" is a
true remnant which God will call out in the End of the Age, as Paul
writes...
What is your interpretation for "End of the Age"?
Ro 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant
according to the election of grace.
In Revelation, John documents these in his discussions of the 144,000
Christian-Israelites who "keep the commandments of God AND have the faith
of Jesus," etc., etc.
You just can't use such interpretation or apply it to group of
Judeo-Christians? Revelation is not a basic for Chritian doctrines. Only
some Protestants or some idiots use that book for their agendas.
4) Hence, Christians are guests in Israel's house.
How did you figure that out? Your interpretation of the word of God,
maybe? lol.
Ah, no, the whole function of Romans 11 is that the Gentile believer has
no business boasting against the branches.
5) You, however, need not show up, as they already have your number,
Nazi.
If ignorants are allowed, you're in.
Read (2Corinthians 11:22-24)
Show me said ignorance.
Maybe it's that cult you belong to. You use expressions I'm just not used
to. I suspect you belong to a cult of some kind, Jehovah Witness or Joshua
for Jews? lol.
You will find the words Islaelites and Jews in those verses. Did you ever
asked yourself why?
I already know why: There are Jews who are Jews indeed, and Jews who are
not Jews. Problem is, no one knows who is who, nor will anyone until Jesus
sorts the situation out.
First reasonable answer we got from you so far. And we may never find out if
there's nothing beyond our life on this earth. But that shouldn't stop us
for making fools of ourselves arguing about something out of our reach, in
another dimension.
Ike
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| User: "Fred A Stover" |
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| Title: Re: The New Jerusalem for the Children of Israel |
23 Sep 2007 07:40:13 PM |
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Fred A Stover" <fredstover7@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"L.T. David" <LTDC@newsnet.ca> wrote in message
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[snip]
I'm sorry but knowing you from all those hate posts you send every day,
this sounds to me as plain hypocrisy. Why not treat Jews as you would
ordinary people you meet in your everyday life. Let Jews worry about
their own problems. You don't owe them a thing, no more than you do
other people on these newsgroups. Jews with the Jews, Roman with the
Romans, the way of a good politician.
You haven't heard? There's "a time to love, and a time to hate" (Eccles.
3:8). The hatred derives from, "I will put enmity between thee and the
woman, and between thy seed and her seed" (Gen 3:15), and the love is for
the brothers and sisters in Christ, and in Adam who are not the seed of
Satan.
Your judgment is a bit faulty.
Talk about faulty logic.
No, derelict, it was judgment, not logic.
1 Cor. 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for
they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are
spiritually discerned.
1) Half of "whole Israel" is comprised of Israelites whom God will not
cast down.
Except for "half" that's my point, the gentiles are the few chosen of the
many called.
2) The seed of Satan is the Gentiles.
The seed of Satan is the blasphemers, liars, enemies of God.
3) The Gentile believes are grafted INTO Israel, just as Paul wrote.
My point exactly!
4) Hence, Christians are guests in Israel's house.
Abraham's
5) You, however, need not show up, as they already have your number, Nazi.
No, dumasso, I'm the zionist who says Jerusalem on earth is for the Jews
until New Jerusalem descends. You're the nazi.
His,
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[snip]
I'm sorry but knowing you from all those hate posts you send every day,
this sounds to me as plain hypocrisy. Why not treat Jews as you would
ordinary people you meet in your everyday life. Let Jews worry about
their own problems. You don't owe them a thing, no more than you do
other people on these newsgroups. Jews with the Jews, Roman with the
Romans, the way of a good politician.
You haven't heard? There's "a time to love, and a time to hate"
(Eccles. 3:8). The hatred derives from, "I will put enmity between thee
and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed" (Gen 3:15), and the
love is for the brothers and sisters in Christ, and in Adam who are not
the seed of Satan.
Your judgment is a bit faulty.
Talk about faulty logic.
No, derelict, it was judgment, not logic.
No, that would be you, Nazi.
1 Cor. 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for
they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are
spiritually discerned.
1) Half of "whole Israel" is comprised of Israelites whom God will not
cast down.
Except for "half" that's my point, the gentiles are the few chosen of the
many called.
2) The seed of Satan is the Gentiles.
The seed of Satan is the blasphemers, liars, enemies of God.
No, THE SEED OF SATAN IS THE GENTILES.
That's where the trouble-maker in the garden came from, i.e. that OTHER
seed.
The Gentiles.
The natural man (i.e. the Gentiles) were created by the natural process and
were created on the last "day" of the creation week. This is the serpent's
"seed."
The spiritual man, Adam, was created BEFORE all the other living things.
This is the seed of Israel.
When the beast man (the Gentiles) saw that God put the spiritual man (Adam)
in charge, it got jealous, and tricked Adam out of his birthright.
3) The Gentile believes are grafted INTO Israel, just as Paul wrote.
My point exactly!
Ah, so, now you're confessing that there are NOT two different fates for the
Israelites and Gentile believers?
4) Hence, Christians are guests in Israel's house.
Abraham's
ISRAEL'S
5) You, however, need not show up, as they already have your number,
Nazi.
No, dumasso, I'm the zionist who says Jerusalem on earth is for the Jews
until New Jerusalem descends. You're the nazi.
Which is just another of your wrong sayings.
NEW JERUSALEM isn't a "place."
NEW JERUSALEM IS the body of believers, Israelite, Christian, and children
of the remnant.
Hence, all three are represented in the symbolism, and they all go there,
and they all come from there.
Hence, there is NO different fate for Christian OR Israelite.
Ike
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[snip]
I'm sorry but knowing you from all those hate posts you send every
day, this sounds to me as plain hypocrisy. Why not treat Jews as you
would ordinary people you meet in your everyday life. Let Jews worry
about their own problems. You don't owe them a thing, no more than you
do other people on these newsgroups. Jews with the Jews, Roman with
the Romans, the way of a good politician.
You haven't heard? There's "a time to love, and a time to hate"
(Eccles. 3:8). The hatred derives from, "I will put enmity between thee
and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed" (Gen 3:15), and the
love is for the brothers and sisters in Christ, and in Adam who are not
the seed of Satan.
Your judgment is a bit faulty.
Talk about faulty logic.
No, derelict, it was judgment, not logic.
No, that would be you, Nazi.
You're the Nazi, adolph.
1 Cor. 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for
they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are
spiritually discerned.
1) Half of "whole Israel" is comprised of Israelites whom God will not
cast down.
Except for "half" that's my point, the gentiles are the few chosen of the
many called.
2) The seed of Satan is the Gentiles.
The seed of Satan is the blasphemers, liars, enemies of God.
No, THE SEED OF SATAN IS THE GENTILES.
That's where the trouble-maker in the garden came from, i.e. that OTHER
seed.
The Gentiles.
The natural man (i.e. the Gentiles) were created by the natural process
and were created on the last "day" of the creation week. This is the
serpent's "seed."
I already knew you were crazy.
The spiritual man, Adam, was created BEFORE all the other living things.
This is the seed of Israel.
When the beast man (the Gentiles) saw that God put the spiritual man
(Adam) in charge, it got jealous, and tricked Adam out of his birthright.
Ibid
3) The Gentile believes are grafted INTO Israel, just as Paul wrote.
My point exactly!
Ah, so, now you're confessing that there are NOT two different fates for
the Israelites and Gentile believers?
There never were different fates, just different dispensations.
4) Hence, Christians are guests in Israel's house.
Abraham's
ISRAEL'S
5) You, however, need not show up, as they already have your number,
Nazi.
No, dumasso, I'm the zionist who says Jerusalem on earth is for the Jews
until New Jerusalem descends. You're the nazi.
Which is just another of your wrong sayings.
NEW JERUSALEM isn't a "place."
NEW JERUSALEM IS the body of believers, Israelite, Christian, and children
of the remnant.
Hence, all three are represented in the symbolism, and they all go there,
and they all come from there.
Hence, there is NO different fate for Christian OR Israelite.
Too much loco weed?
The Three Dispensations
One of the points the Lord was making on the road to Emmaus as recorded in
the book of Hebrews is that salvation through faith was nothing new, for
salvation was through faith before the law was given: "By faith Noah, being
warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to
the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became
heir of the righteousness which is by faith" (Heb. 11:7). However, under the
law salvation was through faith and doing the law, as Paul later wrote: "For
I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do
the whole law" (Gal. 5:3), Just as Noah and others before the law was given
were under a different dispensation than the circumcision, so are believers
in Christ under a different dispensation..
There are three dispensations in scripture as man is redeemed from the fall
of Adam. When Adam fell, he was no longer a servant of the Lord's house. He
had become a servant of Satan's house, the house of which all the
descendents of Adam are born: "he that believes not is condemned already"
(John 3:18). This is the condition resulting from Adam's original sin. As
servants of another, men were not called by the Lord. However, "the heavens
declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows his handywork" (Ps. 19:1),
and the Lord did find the runaway servants who sought Him: "then began men
to call upon the name of the Lord" (Gen. 4:26). Salvation was by faith, as
we are shown in Hebrews, but not free from the condemnation of sin,
"Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses (even over them that had not
sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression) who is the figure of
him that was to come" (Rom 5:14), and under this first dispensation
condemnation was immediate with death, the condemned under the first
dispensation are the people of old time in this verse: "When I shall bring
thee down with them that descend into the pit, with the people of old time,
and shall set thee in the low parts of the earth, in places desolate of old,
with them that go down to the pit, that thou be not inhabited; and I shall
set glory in the land of the living" (Ezek. 26:20). Satan made his claim for
the body of Moses (Jude 1:9) because Moses had killed the Egyptian (Ex.
2:11-12) under the first dispensation. Since some of Satan's servants were
slipping into salvation, a new agreement was sought to stop the gap. The
Lord's part in the agreement was deferment of condemnation until the
judgment, negating Satan's claim for the body of Moses, who died under this
dispensation, and bringing Jacob and his descendents to whom the law was
given into the Lord's house. The other guy's part in the agreement was the
adding of the curse of the law to salvation: "For as many as are of the
works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one
that continues not in all things which are written in the book of the law to
do them" (Gal. 3:10, 1Tim 4:1-3):"When you come to appear before me, who has
required this at your hand, to tread my courts?" (Is. 1:12,1 Tim. 4:1-4)
Salvation now came not merely through faith but also through doing the law.
Wayfaring Jews were people of His house and could be sought out and called
by Him: "Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the
Samaritans enter not. But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of
Israel" (Matt 10:5-6). When the price for all sin was paid on the cross, the
Lord was free to seek out all: "Go into all the world, and preach the gospel
to every creature" (Mark 16:15), and salvation of all in Him was through
faith, free from condemnation: "There is therefore now no condemnation to
them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the
Spirit" (Rom 8:1). All, not in Christ, remain under the condemnation of the
law, for "Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise
pass from the law, till all be fulfilled" (Matt 5:18).
The Jews and those who have come into Christ are servants in the Lord's
house; so, there are two groups of elect, the gospel elect (Col. 3:12) and
the enemy-of-the-gospel elect (Rom 11:28). Only the gospel-elect are free
from the condemnation of the law. One is not appointed to wrath (1 Thess
5:9), but the other is appointed to wrath (Ps 95:11)
His,
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ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
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[snip]
I'm sorry but knowing you from all those hate posts you send every
day, this sounds to me as plain hypocrisy. Why not treat Jews as you
would ordinary people you meet in your everyday life. Let Jews worry
about their own problems. You don't owe them a thing, no more than
you do other people on these newsgroups. Jews with the Jews, Roman
with the Romans, the way of a good politician.
You haven't heard? There's "a time to love, and a time to hate"
(Eccles. 3:8). The hatred derives from, "I will put enmity between
thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed" (Gen 3:15), and
the love is for the brothers and sisters in Christ, and in Adam who
are not the seed of Satan.
Your judgment is a bit faulty.
Talk about faulty logic.
No, derelict, it was judgment, not logic.
No, that would be you, Nazi.
You're the Nazi, adolph.
Nope.
You're the one separating Israel from it's birthright, not me. And it's your
doctrine (and the other like it, replacement theology) that has always stood
in the way of truth, and brought persecutions upon the Jews.
Ike
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[snip]
I'm sorry but knowing you from all those hate posts you send every
day, this sounds to me as plain hypocrisy. Why not treat Jews as you
would ordinary people you meet in your everyday life. Let Jews worry
about their own problems. You don't owe them a thing, no more than
you do other people on these newsgroups. Jews with the Jews, Roman
with the Romans, the way of a good politician.
You haven't heard? There's "a time to love, and a time to hate"
(Eccles. 3:8). The hatred derives from, "I will put enmity between
thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed" (Gen 3:15),
and the love is for the brothers and sisters in Christ, and in Adam
who are not the seed of Satan.
Your judgment is a bit faulty.
Talk about faulty logic.
No, derelict, it was judgment, not logic.
No, that would be you, Nazi.
You're the Nazi, adolph.
Nope.
You're the one separating Israel from it's birthright, not me. And it's
your doctrine (and the other like it, replacement theology) that has
always stood in the way of truth, and brought persecutions upon the Jews.
You're the one talking with the doctrine from replacement theology Satan.
I'm the one who says they worship in the temple when He returns,
You're the one who says they go to New Jerusalem with the Christians before
New Jerusalem descends.
His,
The Day of The Lord
A key to understanding many of the prophecies referring to the day of the
Lord or "that day" is a clear understanding of the day of the Lord. It
begins with the Lord's return for His millennial reign (2 Pet 3:10) followed
by the second resurrection among the rest of the dead: "And I saw thrones,
and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them: and I saw the souls of
them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had
received his mark on their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and
reigned with Christ a thousand years (but the rest of the dead lived not
again until the thousand years were finished). This is the first
resurrection" (Rev 20:4-5). The day of the Lord is the thousand year
millennium, which is followed by eternity with a new heaven and earth: "And
I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth
were passed away; and there was no more sea" (Rev 21:1).
The day of the Lord is the day of His wrath: "Behold, the day of the Lord
comes, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and
he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven and
the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be
darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to
shine. And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their
iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay
low the haughtiness of the terrible. I will make a man more precious than
fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir. Therefore I will shake
the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of
the Lord of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger" (Is 13:9-13): "And I
saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat on him was
called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he does judge and make war.
His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he
had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed
with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And
the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in
fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goes a sharp sword, that
with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of
iron: and he treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty
God" (Rev. 19:11-15).
The day of the Lord is also the day of His rest: "For he spoke in a certain
place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from
all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom
it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief (Heb 4:4-8).
The day of the Lord is the seventh millennial day (Heb 4:4,7), and what is
prophesied along with the seventh millennial day is the first 6 millennial
days, which make the seventh day the seventh: The first 1000-year day is the
day in which Adam died at the age of 930 years (Gen 5:5): "But of the tree
of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day
that you eat thereof you shall surely die" (Gen 2:17) The last or latter
days, the three 1000-year days at the end of the week, are the time of the
Messiah (Acts 2:17, Heb 1:2): "And it shall come to pass in the last days,
that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the
mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations [goyim:
uncircumcised] shall flow unto it" (Is 2:2), and the uncircumcised have
been flowing into the Lord's house "free from the law of sin and death" (Rom
8:2) since His first coming. To the Jews, Hosea also prophesied of these
last three days: "After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will
raise us up, and we shall live in his sight" (Hos 6:2). The day of the Lord
is the last millennial day of the last days: "But, beloved, be not ignorant
of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a
thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as
some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that
any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of
the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall
pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat,
the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up" (2 Pet
3:8-10).
Prophecies become clearer when we read them within the framework of seven
millennial days between the fall of Adam and the final, white throne
judgment with "the last days" or "latter days" being the three between the
Lord's first coming and the judgment and with the day of the Lord, being
also the day of His wrath and the day of His rest, being the last thousand
year day: "For yet seven days, ... and every living substance that I have
made will I destroy from off the face of the earth" (Gen 7:4).
--
http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
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I'm the one who says they worship in the temple when He returns,
You're the one who says they go to New Jerusalem with the Christians
before New Jerusalem descends.
See, this is how deceived you are.
The rebuilding of the temple is a BAD thing, moron, not a good thing.
Jesus is building His Holy Temple, which is the body of believers.
The rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem will be a DIRECT ASSAULT on the
teachings and substance of Jesus Christ, especially after the fools who
build it turn it into an abominable temple of all the world's religions.
But of course, YOU would think that is a good thing.
My, but you're ignorant of what's really going on.
Ike
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[snip]
I'm the one who says they worship in the temple when He returns,
You're the one who says they go to New Jerusalem with the Christians
before New Jerusalem descends.
See, this is how deceived you are.
The rebuilding of the temple is a BAD thing, moron, not a good thing.
No, blasphemer, the fulfillment of His word is never a bad thing.
The temple is for the bosom of Abraham, who are returned to Israel when He
gathers His elect, receive Christ after He returns, and who must also do the
law:
Galatians 5:3
For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a
debtor to do the whole law.
<snip>
His,
The Three Dispensations
One of the points the Lord was making on the road to Emmaus as recorded in
the book of Hebrews is that salvation through faith was nothing new, for
salvation was through faith before the law was given: "By faith Noah, being
warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to
the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became
heir of the righteousness which is by faith" (Heb. 11:7). However, under the
law salvation was through faith and doing the law, as Paul later wrote: "For
I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do
the whole law" (Gal. 5:3), Just as Noah and others before the law was given
were under a different dispensation than the circumcision, so are believers
in Christ under a different dispensation..
There are three dispensations in scripture as man is redeemed from the fall
of Adam. When Adam fell, he was no longer a servant of the Lord's house. He
had become a servant of Satan's house, the house of which all the
descendents of Adam are born: "he that believes not is condemned already"
(John 3:18). This is the condition resulting from Adam's original sin. As
servants of another, men were not called by the Lord. However, "the heavens
declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows his handywork" (Ps. 19:1),
and the Lord did find the runaway servants who sought Him: "then began men
to call upon the name of the Lord" (Gen. 4:26). Salvation was by faith, as
we are shown in Hebrews, but not free from the condemnation of sin,
"Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses (even over them that had not
sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression) who is the figure of
him that was to come" (Rom 5:14), and under this first dispensation
condemnation was immediate with death, the condemned under the first
dispensation are the people of old time in this verse: "When I shall bring
thee down with them that descend into the pit, with the people of old time,
and shall set thee in the low parts of the earth, in places desolate of old,
with them that go down to the pit, that thou be not inhabited; and I shall
set glory in the land of the living" (Ezek. 26:20). Satan made his claim for
the body of Moses (Jude 1:9) because Moses had killed the Egyptian (Ex.
2:11-12) under the first dispensation. Since some of Satan's servants were
slipping into salvation, a new agreement was sought to stop the gap. The
Lord's part in the agreement was deferment of condemnation until the
judgment, negating Satan's claim for the body of Moses, who died under this
dispensation, and bringing Jacob and his descendents to whom the law was
given into the Lord's house. The other guy's part in the agreement was the
adding of the curse of the law to salvation: "For as many as are of the
works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one
that continues not in all things which are written in the book of the law to
do them" (Gal. 3:10, 1Tim 4:1-3):"When you come to appear before me, who has
required this at your hand, to tread my courts?" (Is. 1:12,1 Tim. 4:1-4)
Salvation now came not merely through faith but also through doing the law.
Wayfaring Jews were people of His house and could be sought out and called
by Him: "Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the
Samaritans enter not. But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of
Israel" (Matt 10:5-6). When the price for all sin was paid on the cross, the
Lord was free to seek out all: "Go into all the world, and preach the gospel
to every creature" (Mark 16:15), and salvation of all in Him was through
faith, free from condemnation: "There is therefore now no condemnation to
them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the
Spirit" (Rom 8:1). All, not in Christ, remain under the condemnation of the
law, for "Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise
pass from the law, till all be fulfilled" (Matt 5:18).
The Jews and those who have come into Christ are servants in the Lord's
house; so, there are two groups of elect, the gospel elect (Col. 3:12) and
the enemy-of-the-gospel elect (Rom 11:28). Only the gospel-elect are free
from the condemnation of the law. One is not appointed to wrath (1 Thess
5:9), but the other is appointed to wrath (Ps 95:11)
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ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
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I'm the one who says they worship in the temple when He returns,
You're the one who says they go to New Jerusalem with the Christians
before New Jerusalem descends.
See, this is how deceived you are.
The rebuilding of the temple is a BAD thing, moron, not a good thing.
No, blasphemer, the fulfillment of His word is never a bad thing.
LOL
Jesus is building the temple--it is the assembly of the believers.
God never told anyone to build it again. In fact, He is the one who
destroyed it in the first place.
But the foolish continue in their ways towards their foolish ends.
No matter.
God will destroy it again, and rightly so: It will be in the way of Jesus'
seat.
But, of course, you would be dumb enough to think that abomination is a good
thing.
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I'm the one who says they worship in the temple when He returns,
You're the one who says they go to New Jerusalem with the Christians
before New Jerusalem descends.
See, this is how deceived you are.
The rebuilding of the temple is a BAD thing, moron, not a good thing.
No, blasphemer, the fulfillment of His word is never a bad thing.
LOL
Jesus is building the temple--it is the assembly of the believers.
God never told anyone to build it again. In fact, He is the one who
destroyed it in the first place.
But the foolish continue in their ways towards their foolish ends.
No matter.
God will destroy it again, and rightly so: It will be in the way of Jesus'
seat.
But, of course, you would be dumb enough to think that abomination is a
good thing.
Again, No, blasphemer, the fulfillment of His word is never a bad thing.
His,
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http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
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[snip]
I'm the one who says they worship in the temple when He returns,
You're the one who says they go to New Jerusalem with the Christians
before New Jerusalem descends.
See, this is how deceived you are.
The rebuilding of the temple is a BAD thing, moron, not a good thing.
No, blasphemer, the fulfillment of His word is never a bad thing.
LOL
Jesus is building the temple--it is the assembly of the believers.
God never told anyone to build it again. In fact, He is the one who
destroyed it in the first place.
But the foolish continue in their ways towards their foolish ends.
No matter.
God will destroy it again, and rightly so: It will be in the way of
Jesus' seat.
But, of course, you would be dumb enough to think that abomination is a
good thing.
Again, No, blasphemer, the fulfillment of His word is never a bad thing.
God never said to build another temple. He is already building it, and it's
the assembled body of the believers.
Hence, He'll smash your foolish abomination to the ground and establish His,
i.e. the camp of the saints, where the Holy Mountain of our Lord the Holy
Mountain will be, i.e. Jesus Himself, the temple of God, will be sitting on
the mountain.
Rev 16:18-19
And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a
great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty
an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three
parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in
remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the
fierceness of his wrath.
If people thought it was something to see the veil ripped in two, wait until
the see all of Jerusalem ripped into thirds.
But alas, it takes foolish people to get some parts of prophecy fulfilled,
and you fit the bill just fine.
Ike
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I'm sorry but knowing you from all those hate posts you send
every day, this sounds to me as plain hypocrisy. Why not treat
Jews as you would ordinary people you meet in your everyday life.
Let Jews worry about their own problems. You don't owe them a
thing, no more than you do other people on these newsgroups. Jews
with the Jews, Roman with the Romans, the way of a good
politician.
You haven't heard? There's "a time to love, and a time to hate"
(Eccles. 3:8). The hatred derives from, "I will put enmity between
thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed" (Gen 3:15),
and the love is for the brothers and sisters in Christ, and in
Adam who are not the seed of Satan.
Your judgment is a bit faulty.
Talk about faulty logic.
No, derelict, it was judgment, not logic.
No, that would be you, Nazi.
Fred, a Nazi? That is surely not true.
1 Cor. 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of
God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,
because they are spiritually discerned.
1) Half of "whole Israel" is comprised of Israelites whom God will
not cast down.
Except for "half" that's my point, the gentiles are the few chosen
of the many called.
2) The seed of Satan is the Gentiles.
The seed of Satan is the blasphemers, liars, enemies of God.
No, THE SEED OF SATAN IS THE GENTILES.
That's where the trouble-maker in the garden came from, i.e. that
OTHER seed.
The Gentiles.
The natural man (i.e. the Gentiles) were created by the natural
process and were created on the last "day" of the creation week. This
is the serpent's "seed."
The spiritual man, Adam, was created BEFORE all the other living
things. This is the seed of Israel.
When the beast man (the Gentiles) saw that God put the spiritual man
(Adam) in charge, it got jealous, and tricked Adam out of his
birthright.
I have never ehard that before, so may I ask for book, chapter and
verse?
3) The Gentile believes are grafted INTO Israel, just as Paul wrote.
My point exactly!
Ah, so, now you're confessing that there are NOT two different fates
for the Israelites and Gentile believers?
4) Hence, Christians are guests in Israel's house.
Abraham's
ISRAEL'S
5) You, however, need not show up, as they already have your number,
Nazi.
No, dumasso, I'm the zionist who says Jerusalem on earth is for the
Jews until New Jerusalem descends. You're the nazi.
Which is just another of your wrong sayings.
NEW JERUSALEM isn't a "place."
NEW JERUSALEM IS the body of believers, Israelite, Christian, and
children of the remnant.
New Jerusalem is a city where the Body of Christ will live. I have
calculated the space in it once, and, believe me, there will be spave
enough.
This is a rather plain description:
And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and
shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven
from God, Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone
most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; And had a
wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve
angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve
tribes of the children of Israel: On the east three gates; on the north
three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. And
the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of
the twelve apostles of the Lamb. And he that talked with me had a golden
reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the
breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand
furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. And
he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits,
according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. And the
building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold,
like unto clear glass. And the foundations of the wall of the city were
garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was
jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an
emerald; The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh,
chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a
chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst. And the
twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl:
and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are
the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the
moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb
is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk
in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and
honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for
there shall be no night there. And they shall bring the glory and honour
of the nations into it. And there shall in no wise enter into it any
thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a
lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. (Revelation
21:10-27 KJV)
Hence, all three are represented in the symbolism, and they all go
there, and they all come from there.
Hence, there is NO different fate for Christian OR Israelite.
Ike
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" ::: good news :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
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In news:nDEJi.1886$YN2.1230@trndny07,
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. <xeickleberrybooks@verizon.net> typed:
[snip]
The seed of Satan is the blasphemers, liars, enemies of God.
No, THE SEED OF SATAN IS THE GENTILES.
That's where the trouble-maker in the garden came from, i.e. that
OTHER seed.
The Gentiles.
The natural man (i.e. the Gentiles) were created by the natural
process and were created on the last "day" of the creation week. This
is the serpent's "seed."
The spiritual man, Adam, was created BEFORE all the other living
things. This is the seed of Israel.
When the beast man (the Gentiles) saw that God put the spiritual man
(Adam) in charge, it got jealous, and tricked Adam out of his
birthright.
I have never ehard that before, so may I ask for book, chapter and verse?
Sure.
Genesis chapters 1-3.
Also read Ezekiel's three prophecies concerning the "garden of Eden."
Also carefully read all of Jesus' references to the Gentiles.
3) The Gentile believes are grafted INTO Israel, just as Paul wrote.
My point exactly!
Ah, so, now you're confessing that there are NOT two different fates
for the Israelites and Gentile believers?
4) Hence, Christians are guests in Israel's house.
Abraham's
ISRAEL'S
5) You, however, need not show up, as they already have your number,
Nazi.
No, dumasso, I'm the zionist who says Jerusalem on earth is for the
Jews until New Jerusalem descends. You're the nazi.
Which is just another of your wrong sayings.
NEW JERUSALEM isn't a "place."
NEW JERUSALEM IS the body of believers, Israelite, Christian, and
children of the remnant.
New Jerusalem is a city where the Body of Christ will live. I have
calculated the space in it once, and, believe me, there will be spave
enough.
No, New Jerusalem IS the body of Christ.
At the very beginning, the scribe writes that the book is "esemanen
apostelias," i.e. "semantically dispatched," or simply, "sent in signs."
esemanen is "semantic" in the modern vernacular.
Revelation is NEVER literal, but symbolic in its intent.
More to the point, John saw the city, but describes it as a bride, then the
angel says he'll show John the bride, but describes it as a city.
Which is it? A bride, or a city?
The answer is the bride IS the city.
This is a rather plain description:
And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and
shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven
from God, Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone
most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; And had a wall
great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and
names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the
children of Israel: On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on
the south three gates; and on the west three gates. And the wall of the
city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles
of the Lamb. And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the
city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof. And the city lieth
foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the
city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth
and the height of it are equal. And he measured the wall thereof, an
hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that
is, of the angel. And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and
the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass. And the foundations of the
wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The
first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a
chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald; The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth,
sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz;
the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an
amethyst. And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was
of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were
transparent glass. And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty
and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun,
neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it,
and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved
shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their
glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by
day: for there shall be no night there. And they shall bring the glory and
honour of the nations into it. And there shall in no wise enter into it
any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh
a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. (Revelation
21:10-27 KJV)
If I told you what all this means, I'd have my fifth book done, but
generally...
1) This passage describes the people who make up the city--Israelite,
Christian, and remnant.
2) It sets the number of residents.
3) It describes the worthiness of the residents via the twelve stones which
outline Jesus' teachings.
4) It describes the function of the assembly.
5) It describes who is included and who is not included in the assembly.
Anyway, the description of the New Jerusalem is metaphorical, not literal,
as Jesus is the cornerstone of a greater building, and Jesus is no "brick."
Or have you not read...?
Eph 2:19-22
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but
fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built
upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being
the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together
groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded
together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
What are we built on? What is this building? What is this "habitation?"
The whole assembly of the faithful.
Jesus even says early in Revelation...
Re 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God,
and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God,
and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh
down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
Jesus says he'll make whosoever overcomes a PILLAR, i.e. a part, of the
temple of God.
Hence, the temple He describes at the end is no building of brick and
mortar, but the assembly of whole Israel.
Don't read Revelation (or, for that matter, the Bible) like a child. Read it
the way it was written--spiritually and semantically.
Ike
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26 Sep 2007 02:50:46 AM |
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@verizon.net> wrote in message
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" ::: good news :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
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In news:nDEJi.1886$YN2.1230@trndny07,
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. <xeickleberrybooks@verizon.net> typed:
3) The Gentile believes are grafted INTO Israel, just as Paul wrote.
My point exactly!
Ah, so, now you're confessing that there are NOT two different fates
for the Israelites and Gentile believers?
4) Hence, Christians are guests in Israel's house.
Abraham's
ISRAEL'S
5) You, however, need not show up, as they already have your number,
Nazi.
No, dumasso, I'm the zionist who says Jerusalem on earth is for the
Jews until New Jerusalem descends. You're the nazi.
Which is just another of your wrong sayings.
NEW JERUSALEM isn't a "place."
NEW JERUSALEM IS the body of believers, Israelite, Christian, and
children of the remnant.
New Jerusalem is a city where the Body of Christ will live. I have
calculated the space in it once, and, believe me, there will be spave
enough.
No, New Jerusalem IS the body of Christ.
No, New Jerusalem is where Christ went to prepare a place for us, in which
we descend when the day of the Lord is over.
John 14:2-3
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have
told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare a
place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I
am, there ye may be also.
Rev. 21:1-2
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the
first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. [2] And I John saw
the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared
as a bride adorned for her husband.
At the very beginning, the scribe writes that the book is "esemanen
apostelias," i.e. "semantically dispatched," or simply, "sent in signs."
esemanen is "semantic" in the modern vernacular.
Revelation is NEVER literal, but symbolic in its intent.
ROTFL!!!!!!!
The satanic troll lies again:
Preterist rubbish.
Rev. 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto
his servants things which must come to pass rapidly; and he sent [esemanen]
and signified [apostelias]
it by his angel unto his servant John:
It is sent and it is marked as authentic by sending it by the Angel of the
Lord.
More to the point, John saw the city, but describes it as a bride, then
the angel says he'll show John the bride, but describes it as a city.
Which is it? A bride, or a city?
The bride is the people in the city.
The church is espoused to Christ: "I have espoused you to one husband, that
I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ" (2 Cor. 11:2).
His,
--
http://tinyurl.com/2hf6ak
ho echon ota akoueto Preparing the way of the Lord
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a
little child, he shall not enter therein. (Matt 10:15)
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