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"Yas" |
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05 Dec 2003 10:37:57 AM |
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The only Democracy in the Middle East |
The Only "Democracy" in the Middle East where..
No Separation between religion and state.
Non Jews are discriminated in most areas.
Religious laws dictate the life style of non-religious israeli citizens.
Even today, after 50 years of independence israel has no constitution.
30% of all people under israeli control do not enjoy civil, or even human
rights.
Parts of the education system are controlled by the secret services.
80% of israel's resources belong to 10% of it's citizens (The Russians no
doubt!)
More then 1000 people are held in administrative custody without being
charged, and with no time limits.
israel is the only country that has a law allowing interrogators to use
torture!!!
All mass media channels are held by a handful of families.
in israel, the government has the right to shut down a newspaper.
Non Jewish citizens are forbidden from buying state owned land.
What a wonderful "democracy"
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: "Pastor" Frank Bears False Witness . . . Still. was: Re: The only Democracy in the Middle East |
31 Dec 2003 09:30:36 AM |
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Eric" <duima@sympatico.ca.no.trash> wrote in message
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On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:22:28 -0500, in alt.religion.christian "Mickey"
<mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:59b7dd1f172ff6d7a028f727f4ee69aa@news.teranews.com...
The point is not, that we all are sinners, but that some repent
and
others don't. Where Germans are sorry, ashamed and repentant of their
holocaust of the Jews, Jews on the other hand are proud and
self-justified
in killing every inhabitant of the entire "promised land" to "possess
the
land" and "reap where they have not sown", and still feel justified
doing
the same to Palestinians today for the same reasons.
More ***** and propaganda. Germans killed Jews for no reason other
than
an attempt at "racial purity". Jews presented NO THREAT WHATSOEVER to
the
average German. Compare this now to Israel, where Arabs are blowing up
innocent children on busses. This is what you compare, and expect to be
seen
as credible? You are either a troll and a liar or a grand fool. Care to
enlighten us as to which?
It's always justified to blow up the invaders of land along with their
relatives regardless what excuses the invaders use to justify their
occupation. When you have not come in peace, you deserve violence.
Of course, this is simple logic. Unfortunately, the morons of the world
are
even more simple, and cannot grasp the fact. A man walks into your house
with a gun and announces his intent to kill you, and they think you are a
monster for shooting him first. Typical sideways logic.
If you believe Israeli propaganda, that the promised land, the land of
milk and honey, was an unpopulated desert merely frequented by the odd
nomads, until the Jews came to make it bloom, you more of an idiot than
most. "sideways logic" indeed, you obviously never heard of Jewish
terrorists, like the Stern Gang, who drove the British out and went on a
rampage killing Palestinian villagers causing a massive refugee problem. See
below
--
Pastor Frank
"One is allowed to lie for the Land of Israel"
--Yitzhak Shamir, former Prime Minister of Israel
Famous Zionist Quote (back when the Zionists were really cocky):
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not
even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because
those Arab villages were destroyed and don't exist any longer, nor do the
geography books which showed them, for they were destroyed also and replaced
with Israeli geography books showing only Israeli names.
Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta;
Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushu'a in the place of
Tal al-Shuman. There is not one single place built in this country that did
not have a former Arab Population."
--Moshe Dayan, Address to the Technion, Haifa (as quoted in
Ha'aretz, 4 April 1969) http://www.birzeit.edu/crdps/village@.html
http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/destroyed_villages/list.htm
Conservative observers state, that Israel was built on the bones of at
least two million Palestinians. By December 1948, 418 Arab villages had been
destroyed, and the United Nations Relief and Works Agency registers 726,000
Palestinian refugees. Walter Eytan, Director-General of Israel's Foreign
Ministry, accepts this figure as meticulous, and even suggests that the
number was closer to 800,000. In Lydda alone Zionist terrorists murdered
50,000 Palestinians, men, women and children, both Muslim and Christian.
(See: The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949. by Benny
Morris: ISBN # 0-521-33028-9)
Only about 5 percent of the present day Jews came from Palestine,
whereas 95 percent are Khazars.
"...I know the blasphemy of them WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS,
and are not, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN." (Revelation
2:9, 3:9)
PETITION TO WORLD LEADERS
We, the undersigned want justice, and have the appalling death toll of
Zionist aggression, oppression, occupation and colonialism in the Middle
East declared a "Crime against Humanity" which must be punished. We
want human rights respected, occupation and confiscation of land made
illegal, and the appalling conditions imposed on occupied civilian
populations lifted.
We want an International Court with power to resolve territorial
disputes established NOW, so that the dispossessed and ethnically
cleansed can sue for redress, instead of having to draw scant
attention to their plight by needing to blow themselves up in the
presence of their ruthless enemies.
Any government conducting or supporting colonialism or other
human rights abuses, must be declared a rogue state and their leaders
and perpetrators must face criminal charges. Supporting, encouraging
or financing human and civil rights abusers must be considered a hate crime.
---
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.547 / Virus Database: 340 - Release Date: 12/2/03
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| User: "Mickey" |
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| Title: Re: "Pastor" Frank Bears False Witness . . . Still. was: Re: The only Democracy in the Middle East |
31 Dec 2003 02:23:05 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"Eric" <duima@sympatico.ca.no.trash> wrote in message
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On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:22:28 -0500, in alt.religion.christian "Mickey"
<mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:59b7dd1f172ff6d7a028f727f4ee69aa@news.teranews.com...
The point is not, that we all are sinners, but that some repent
and
others don't. Where Germans are sorry, ashamed and repentant of
their
holocaust of the Jews, Jews on the other hand are proud and
self-justified
in killing every inhabitant of the entire "promised land" to
"possess
the
land" and "reap where they have not sown", and still feel justified
doing
the same to Palestinians today for the same reasons.
More ***** and propaganda. Germans killed Jews for no reason other
than
an attempt at "racial purity". Jews presented NO THREAT WHATSOEVER to
the
average German. Compare this now to Israel, where Arabs are blowing
up
innocent children on busses. This is what you compare, and expect to
be
seen
as credible? You are either a troll and a liar or a grand fool. Care
to
enlighten us as to which?
It's always justified to blow up the invaders of land along with their
relatives regardless what excuses the invaders use to justify their
occupation. When you have not come in peace, you deserve violence.
Of course, this is simple logic. Unfortunately, the morons of the world
are
even more simple, and cannot grasp the fact. A man walks into your house
with a gun and announces his intent to kill you, and they think you are
a
monster for shooting him first. Typical sideways logic.
If you believe Israeli propaganda, that the promised land, the land of
milk and honey, was an unpopulated desert merely frequented by the odd
nomads, until the Jews came to make it bloom, you more of an idiot than
most.
No, I believe my father and his family and friends who lived there at the
time, and the reports of the British mandate, which showed about 500,000
Arabs in ALL of Palestine, which included Jerusalem. You, otoh, believe in
fairy tales.
"sideways logic" indeed, you obviously never heard of Jewish
terrorists, like the Stern Gang, who drove the British out and went on a
rampage killing Palestinian villagers causing a massive refugee problem.
See
below
And yet another attempt at using someone else's post as a carrier wave for
your propaganda. If lame had a poster boy, you'd be he.
Mickey
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| User: "Sheldon Liberman" |
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| Title: Re: "Pastor" Frank Bears False Witness . . . Still. was: Re: Theonly Democracy in the Middle East |
28 Dec 2003 10:52:52 AM |
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Eric wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:22:28 -0500, in alt.religion.christian "Mickey"
<mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:59b7dd1f172ff6d7a028f727f4ee69aa@news.teranews.com...
" Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:B3nHb.21454$Pg1.15834@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_KOdnUDn4Kq0NHGi4p2dnA@comcast.com...
Gee, I wonder if this peaceful Christ he refers to is the one that
has
inspired such rampages as the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the
endless
sprees of Northern Ireland and others. Odd isn't it that Christians
like
this never seem to take issue when their brothers kill for no reason,
but
always find time to spew their ***** when a tiny nation like Israel
defends itself against 250,000,000 Arabs.
I am trying to think of a non-Christian culture that did not conduct
"rampages" and "endless sprees" of mayhem and violence. Oddly, I can't
seem to think of one, but then my knowledge is not exhaustive. Can you
give
me some help here? Did the Christians treat their enemies any worse
than
the Aztecs or Chinese or Mongols of Polynesians or Iroquois or Arabs?
Or
could it be that notions of human rights are a modern phneomena utterly
foreign to anyone in the Medieval and Early Modern periods? Or could
the
Christian European penchant for violently attacking those they
considered
to
be threats possibly have something to do with the fact that Medieval
Europe
was the constant target of invaders from the North, East, and South from
the
4th century on? And perhaps the use of violence to resist invaders
became
an habituated response to perceived threat that actually had little or
nothing to do with Jesus? May I be so bold as to suggest that Marc
Bloch
explained this process much more elegantly and in infinitely greater
detail
in his wonderful two books entitled "Feudal Society"? May I also
suggest
that you read Bloch, and also Heeres and Husinga? It will broaden your
horizons somewhat.
The point is not, that we all are sinners, but that some repent and
others don't. Where Germans are sorry, ashamed and repentant of their
holocaust of the Jews, Jews on the other hand are proud and self-justified
in killing every inhabitant of the entire "promised land" to "possess the
land" and "reap where they have not sown", and still feel justified doing
the same to Palestinians today for the same reasons.
More ***** and propaganda. Germans killed Jews for no reason other than
an attempt at "racial purity". Jews presented NO THREAT WHATSOEVER to the
average German. Compare this now to Israel, where Arabs are blowing up
innocent children on busses. This is what you compare, and expect to be seen
as credible? You are either a troll and a liar or a grand fool. Care to
enlighten us as to which?
It's always justified to blow up the invaders of land along with their
relatives regardless what excuses the invaders use to justify their
occupation. When you have not come in peace, you deserve violence.
Why don't you think logically? Israel was invaded by Jordan, Syria, and
Iraq in 1967, and nipped a potential attack by Egypt in the bud. That's
what led to what YOU call an Israeli invasion. Why can't you people see
that, if Israel was the aggressor nation, it would never have given
Sinai back to Egypt or Golan to Syria. All they wanted in return was a
guarantee of the right to peaceful existence. Jordan lost the West Bank
and still Israel is willing to give the land to people who have no legal
status in exchange for peace, but the fools who speak for them refuse.
Sheesh.
Mickey
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| User: "Mickey" |
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| Title: Re: "Pastor" Frank Bears False Witness . . . Still. was: Re: The only Democracy in the Middle East |
28 Dec 2003 11:05:46 AM |
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"Sheldon Liberman" <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Eric wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:22:28 -0500, in alt.religion.christian "Mickey"
<mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:59b7dd1f172ff6d7a028f727f4ee69aa@news.teranews.com...
" Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:B3nHb.21454$Pg1.15834@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_KOdnUDn4Kq0NHGi4p2dnA@comcast.com...
Gee, I wonder if this peaceful Christ he refers to is the one that
has
inspired such rampages as the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the
endless
sprees of Northern Ireland and others. Odd isn't it that Christians
like
this never seem to take issue when their brothers kill for no reason,
but
always find time to spew their ***** when a tiny nation like
Israel
defends itself against 250,000,000 Arabs.
I am trying to think of a non-Christian culture that did not conduct
"rampages" and "endless sprees" of mayhem and violence. Oddly, I
can't
seem to think of one, but then my knowledge is not exhaustive. Can
you
give
me some help here? Did the Christians treat their enemies any worse
than
the Aztecs or Chinese or Mongols of Polynesians or Iroquois or Arabs?
Or
could it be that notions of human rights are a modern phneomena
utterly
foreign to anyone in the Medieval and Early Modern periods? Or could
the
Christian European penchant for violently attacking those they
considered
to
be threats possibly have something to do with the fact that Medieval
Europe
was the constant target of invaders from the North, East, and South
from
the
4th century on? And perhaps the use of violence to resist invaders
became
an habituated response to perceived threat that actually had little or
nothing to do with Jesus? May I be so bold as to suggest that Marc
Bloch
explained this process much more elegantly and in infinitely greater
detail
in his wonderful two books entitled "Feudal Society"? May I also
suggest
that you read Bloch, and also Heeres and Husinga? It will broaden
your
horizons somewhat.
The point is not, that we all are sinners, but that some repent and
others don't. Where Germans are sorry, ashamed and repentant of their
holocaust of the Jews, Jews on the other hand are proud and
self-justified
in killing every inhabitant of the entire "promised land" to "possess
the
land" and "reap where they have not sown", and still feel justified
doing
the same to Palestinians today for the same reasons.
More ***** and propaganda. Germans killed Jews for no reason other
than
an attempt at "racial purity". Jews presented NO THREAT WHATSOEVER to
the
average German. Compare this now to Israel, where Arabs are blowing up
innocent children on busses. This is what you compare, and expect to be
seen
as credible? You are either a troll and a liar or a grand fool. Care to
enlighten us as to which?
It's always justified to blow up the invaders of land along with their
relatives regardless what excuses the invaders use to justify their
occupation. When you have not come in peace, you deserve violence.
Why don't you think logically? Israel was invaded by Jordan, Syria, and
Iraq in 1967, and nipped a potential attack by Egypt in the bud. That's
what led to what YOU call an Israeli invasion. Why can't you people see
that, if Israel was the aggressor nation, it would never have given
Sinai back to Egypt or Golan to Syria. All they wanted in return was a
guarantee of the right to peaceful existence. Jordan lost the West Bank
and still Israel is willing to give the land to people who have no legal
status in exchange for peace, but the fools who speak for them refuse.
Sheesh.
If Israel were an aggressor nation, Egypt, Jordan Syria and Lebanon would
now be part of Greater Judea. Israel could have conquered ALL of Egypt back
in 1956, and again in 1967, along with Jordan and Syria.
Mickey
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| User: "Eric" |
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| Title: Re: "Pastor" Frank Bears False Witness . . . Still. was: Re: The only Democracy in the Middle East |
28 Dec 2003 01:13:41 PM |
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On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:52:52 -0500, in alt.religion.christian Sheldon
Liberman <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Eric wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:22:28 -0500, in alt.religion.christian "Mickey"
<mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:59b7dd1f172ff6d7a028f727f4ee69aa@news.teranews.com...
" Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:B3nHb.21454$Pg1.15834@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_KOdnUDn4Kq0NHGi4p2dnA@comcast.com...
Gee, I wonder if this peaceful Christ he refers to is the one that
has
inspired such rampages as the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the
endless
sprees of Northern Ireland and others. Odd isn't it that Christians
like
this never seem to take issue when their brothers kill for no reason,
but
always find time to spew their ***** when a tiny nation like Israel
defends itself against 250,000,000 Arabs.
I am trying to think of a non-Christian culture that did not conduct
"rampages" and "endless sprees" of mayhem and violence. Oddly, I can't
seem to think of one, but then my knowledge is not exhaustive. Can you
give
me some help here? Did the Christians treat their enemies any worse
than
the Aztecs or Chinese or Mongols of Polynesians or Iroquois or Arabs?
Or
could it be that notions of human rights are a modern phneomena utterly
foreign to anyone in the Medieval and Early Modern periods? Or could
the
Christian European penchant for violently attacking those they
considered
to
be threats possibly have something to do with the fact that Medieval
Europe
was the constant target of invaders from the North, East, and South from
the
4th century on? And perhaps the use of violence to resist invaders
became
an habituated response to perceived threat that actually had little or
nothing to do with Jesus? May I be so bold as to suggest that Marc
Bloch
explained this process much more elegantly and in infinitely greater
detail
in his wonderful two books entitled "Feudal Society"? May I also
suggest
that you read Bloch, and also Heeres and Husinga? It will broaden your
horizons somewhat.
The point is not, that we all are sinners, but that some repent and
others don't. Where Germans are sorry, ashamed and repentant of their
holocaust of the Jews, Jews on the other hand are proud and self-justified
in killing every inhabitant of the entire "promised land" to "possess the
land" and "reap where they have not sown", and still feel justified doing
the same to Palestinians today for the same reasons.
More ***** and propaganda. Germans killed Jews for no reason other than
an attempt at "racial purity". Jews presented NO THREAT WHATSOEVER to the
average German. Compare this now to Israel, where Arabs are blowing up
innocent children on busses. This is what you compare, and expect to be seen
as credible? You are either a troll and a liar or a grand fool. Care to
enlighten us as to which?
It's always justified to blow up the invaders of land along with their
relatives regardless what excuses the invaders use to justify their
occupation. When you have not come in peace, you deserve violence.
Why don't you think logically? Israel was invaded by Jordan, Syria, and
Iraq in 1967, and nipped a potential attack by Egypt in the bud. That's
what led to what YOU call an Israeli invasion. Why can't you people see
that, if Israel was the aggressor nation, it would never have given
Sinai back to Egypt or Golan to Syria. All they wanted in return was a
guarantee of the right to peaceful existence. Jordan lost the West Bank
and still Israel is willing to give the land to people who have no legal
status in exchange for peace, but the fools who speak for them refuse.
Sheesh.
Let me tell you again:
"It's always justified to blow up the invaders of land along with
their relatives regardless what excuses the invaders use to justify
their occupation. When you have not come in peace, you deserve
violence."
Mickey
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| User: "Sheldon Liberman" |
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| Title: Re: "Pastor" Frank Bears False Witness . . . Still. was: Re: Theonly Democracy in the Middle East |
28 Dec 2003 02:05:35 PM |
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Eric wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:52:52 -0500, in alt.religion.christian Sheldon
Liberman <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Eric wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:22:28 -0500, in alt.religion.christian "Mickey"
<mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:59b7dd1f172ff6d7a028f727f4ee69aa@news.teranews.com...
" Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:B3nHb.21454$Pg1.15834@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_KOdnUDn4Kq0NHGi4p2dnA@comcast.com...
Gee, I wonder if this peaceful Christ he refers to is the one that
has
inspired such rampages as the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the
endless
sprees of Northern Ireland and others. Odd isn't it that Christians
like
this never seem to take issue when their brothers kill for no reason,
but
always find time to spew their ***** when a tiny nation like Israel
defends itself against 250,000,000 Arabs.
I am trying to think of a non-Christian culture that did not conduct
"rampages" and "endless sprees" of mayhem and violence. Oddly, I can't
seem to think of one, but then my knowledge is not exhaustive. Can you
give
me some help here? Did the Christians treat their enemies any worse
than
the Aztecs or Chinese or Mongols of Polynesians or Iroquois or Arabs?
Or
could it be that notions of human rights are a modern phneomena utterly
foreign to anyone in the Medieval and Early Modern periods? Or could
the
Christian European penchant for violently attacking those they
considered
to
be threats possibly have something to do with the fact that Medieval
Europe
was the constant target of invaders from the North, East, and South from
the
4th century on? And perhaps the use of violence to resist invaders
became
an habituated response to perceived threat that actually had little or
nothing to do with Jesus? May I be so bold as to suggest that Marc
Bloch
explained this process much more elegantly and in infinitely greater
detail
in his wonderful two books entitled "Feudal Society"? May I also
suggest
that you read Bloch, and also Heeres and Husinga? It will broaden your
horizons somewhat.
The point is not, that we all are sinners, but that some repent and
others don't. Where Germans are sorry, ashamed and repentant of their
holocaust of the Jews, Jews on the other hand are proud and self-justified
in killing every inhabitant of the entire "promised land" to "possess the
land" and "reap where they have not sown", and still feel justified doing
the same to Palestinians today for the same reasons.
More ***** and propaganda. Germans killed Jews for no reason other than
an attempt at "racial purity". Jews presented NO THREAT WHATSOEVER to the
average German. Compare this now to Israel, where Arabs are blowing up
innocent children on busses. This is what you compare, and expect to be seen
as credible? You are either a troll and a liar or a grand fool. Care to
enlighten us as to which?
It's always justified to blow up the invaders of land along with their
relatives regardless what excuses the invaders use to justify their
occupation. When you have not come in peace, you deserve violence.
Why don't you think logically? Israel was invaded by Jordan, Syria, and
Iraq in 1967, and nipped a potential attack by Egypt in the bud. That's
what led to what YOU call an Israeli invasion. Why can't you people see
that, if Israel was the aggressor nation, it would never have given
Sinai back to Egypt or Golan to Syria. All they wanted in return was a
guarantee of the right to peaceful existence. Jordan lost the West Bank
and still Israel is willing to give the land to people who have no legal
status in exchange for peace, but the fools who speak for them refuse.
Sheesh.
Let me tell you again:
"It's always justified to blow up the invaders of land along with
their relatives regardless what excuses the invaders use to justify
their occupation. When you have not come in peace, you deserve
violence."
Another One Who Flew In from the Cukoo's Nest.
Mickey
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| User: "Mickey" |
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| Title: Re: "Pastor" Frank Bears False Witness . . . Still. was: Re: The only Democracy in the Middle East |
28 Dec 2003 07:55:41 PM |
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"Sheldon Liberman" <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FEF378F.6040900@sympatico.ca...
Another One Who Flew In from the Cukoo's Nest.
How true... care to tell us how you did it, or are you saving the secret for
your next trip in?
Mickey
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| User: "Eric" |
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| Title: Re: "Pastor" Frank Bears False Witness . . . Still. was: Re: The only Democracy in the Middle East |
28 Dec 2003 02:33:52 PM |
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On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:05:35 -0500, in alt.religion.christian Sheldon
Liberman <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Eric wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:52:52 -0500, in alt.religion.christian Sheldon
Liberman <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Eric wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:22:28 -0500, in alt.religion.christian "Mickey"
<mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:59b7dd1f172ff6d7a028f727f4ee69aa@news.teranews.com...
" Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:B3nHb.21454$Pg1.15834@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_KOdnUDn4Kq0NHGi4p2dnA@comcast.com...
Gee, I wonder if this peaceful Christ he refers to is the one that
has
inspired such rampages as the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the
endless
sprees of Northern Ireland and others. Odd isn't it that Christians
like
this never seem to take issue when their brothers kill for no reason,
but
always find time to spew their ***** when a tiny nation like Israel
defends itself against 250,000,000 Arabs.
I am trying to think of a non-Christian culture that did not conduct
"rampages" and "endless sprees" of mayhem and violence. Oddly, I can't
seem to think of one, but then my knowledge is not exhaustive. Can you
give
me some help here? Did the Christians treat their enemies any worse
than
the Aztecs or Chinese or Mongols of Polynesians or Iroquois or Arabs?
Or
could it be that notions of human rights are a modern phneomena utterly
foreign to anyone in the Medieval and Early Modern periods? Or could
the
Christian European penchant for violently attacking those they
considered
to
be threats possibly have something to do with the fact that Medieval
Europe
was the constant target of invaders from the North, East, and South from
the
4th century on? And perhaps the use of violence to resist invaders
became
an habituated response to perceived threat that actually had little or
nothing to do with Jesus? May I be so bold as to suggest that Marc
Bloch
explained this process much more elegantly and in infinitely greater
detail
in his wonderful two books entitled "Feudal Society"? May I also
suggest
that you read Bloch, and also Heeres and Husinga? It will broaden your
horizons somewhat.
The point is not, that we all are sinners, but that some repent and
others don't. Where Germans are sorry, ashamed and repentant of their
holocaust of the Jews, Jews on the other hand are proud and self-justified
in killing every inhabitant of the entire "promised land" to "possess the
land" and "reap where they have not sown", and still feel justified doing
the same to Palestinians today for the same reasons.
More ***** and propaganda. Germans killed Jews for no reason other than
an attempt at "racial purity". Jews presented NO THREAT WHATSOEVER to the
average German. Compare this now to Israel, where Arabs are blowing up
innocent children on busses. This is what you compare, and expect to be seen
as credible? You are either a troll and a liar or a grand fool. Care to
enlighten us as to which?
It's always justified to blow up the invaders of land along with their
relatives regardless what excuses the invaders use to justify their
occupation. When you have not come in peace, you deserve violence.
Why don't you think logically? Israel was invaded by Jordan, Syria, and
Iraq in 1967, and nipped a potential attack by Egypt in the bud. That's
what led to what YOU call an Israeli invasion. Why can't you people see
that, if Israel was the aggressor nation, it would never have given
Sinai back to Egypt or Golan to Syria. All they wanted in return was a
guarantee of the right to peaceful existence. Jordan lost the West Bank
and still Israel is willing to give the land to people who have no legal
status in exchange for peace, but the fools who speak for them refuse.
Sheesh.
Let me tell you again:
"It's always justified to blow up the invaders of land along with
their relatives regardless what excuses the invaders use to justify
their occupation. When you have not come in peace, you deserve
violence."
Another One Who Flew In from the Cukoo's Nest.
My argument stands as it is. The invader deserves everything they have
got by their own act of invasion. Peace should never be given to them
until they pack up and leave.
Mickey
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Eric wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:05:35 -0500, in alt.religion.christian Sheldon
Liberman <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Eric wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:52:52 -0500, in alt.religion.christian Sheldon
Liberman <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Eric wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:22:28 -0500, in alt.religion.christian "Mickey"
<mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:59b7dd1f172ff6d7a028f727f4ee69aa@news.teranews.com...
" Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:B3nHb.21454$Pg1.15834@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_KOdnUDn4Kq0NHGi4p2dnA@comcast.com...
Gee, I wonder if this peaceful Christ he refers to is the one that
has
inspired such rampages as the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the
endless
sprees of Northern Ireland and others. Odd isn't it that Christians
like
this never seem to take issue when their brothers kill for no reason,
but
always find time to spew their ***** when a tiny nation like Israel
defends itself against 250,000,000 Arabs.
I am trying to think of a non-Christian culture that did not conduct
"rampages" and "endless sprees" of mayhem and violence. Oddly, I can't
seem to think of one, but then my knowledge is not exhaustive. Can you
give
me some help here? Did the Christians treat their enemies any worse
than
the Aztecs or Chinese or Mongols of Polynesians or Iroquois or Arabs?
Or
could it be that notions of human rights are a modern phneomena utterly
foreign to anyone in the Medieval and Early Modern periods? Or could
the
Christian European penchant for violently attacking those they
considered
to
be threats possibly have something to do with the fact that Medieval
Europe
was the constant target of invaders from the North, East, and South from
the
4th century on? And perhaps the use of violence to resist invaders
became
an habituated response to perceived threat that actually had little or
nothing to do with Jesus? May I be so bold as to suggest that Marc
Bloch
explained this process much more elegantly and in infinitely greater
detail
in his wonderful two books entitled "Feudal Society"? May I also
suggest
that you read Bloch, and also Heeres and Husinga? It will broaden your
horizons somewhat.
The point is not, that we all are sinners, but that some repent and
others don't. Where Germans are sorry, ashamed and repentant of their
holocaust of the Jews, Jews on the other hand are proud and self-justified
in killing every inhabitant of the entire "promised land" to "possess the
land" and "reap where they have not sown", and still feel justified doing
the same to Palestinians today for the same reasons.
More ***** and propaganda. Germans killed Jews for no reason other than
an attempt at "racial purity". Jews presented NO THREAT WHATSOEVER to the
average German. Compare this now to Israel, where Arabs are blowing up
innocent children on busses. This is what you compare, and expect to be seen
as credible? You are either a troll and a liar or a grand fool. Care to
enlighten us as to which?
It's always justified to blow up the invaders of land along with their
relatives regardless what excuses the invaders use to justify their
occupation. When you have not come in peace, you deserve violence.
Why don't you think logically? Israel was invaded by Jordan, Syria, and
Iraq in 1967, and nipped a potential attack by Egypt in the bud. That's
what led to what YOU call an Israeli invasion. Why can't you people see
that, if Israel was the aggressor nation, it would never have given
Sinai back to Egypt or Golan to Syria. All they wanted in return was a
guarantee of the right to peaceful existence. Jordan lost the West Bank
and still Israel is willing to give the land to people who have no legal
status in exchange for peace, but the fools who speak for them refuse.
Sheesh.
Let me tell you again:
"It's always justified to blow up the invaders of land along with
their relatives regardless what excuses the invaders use to justify
their occupation. When you have not come in peace, you deserve
violence."
Another One Who Flew In from the Cukoo's Nest.
My argument stands as it is. The invader deserves everything they have
got by their own act of invasion. Peace should never be given to them
until they pack up and leave.
You've changed the words around somewhat, but basically said the
samething a third time runing. Understand this boor: the land never was
the Palestinians, they never had title to it, they rejected the UN
partition and launched an illegal war, there was no such thing as a
Palestinian pre-1964, and Jordan lost the land when they invaded Israel
in 67. I know this is a little complecated for you, but I'm sorry, it
doesn't come in comic book format.
Mickey
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"Sheldon Liberman" <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FEF4C4A.6030609@sympatico.ca...
Eric wrote:
Let me tell you again:
"It's always justified to blow up the invaders of land along with
their relatives regardless what excuses the invaders use to justify
their occupation. When you have not come in peace, you deserve
violence."
Another One Who Flew In from the Cukoo's Nest.
My argument stands as it is. The invader deserves everything they have
got by their own act of invasion. Peace should never be given to them
until they pack up and leave.
You've changed the words around somewhat, but basically said the
samething a third time runing. Understand this boor: the land never was
the Palestinians, they never had title to it, they rejected the UN
partition and launched an illegal war, there was no such thing as a
Palestinian pre-1964, and Jordan lost the land when they invaded Israel
in 67. I know this is a little complecated for you, but I'm sorry, it
doesn't come in comic book format.
Ah but come now Sheldon, he's right. The Arabs ARE invaders, and can expect
nothing more than to be shot like invaders.
Mickey
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31 Dec 2003 09:31:06 AM |
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Auydnacg3KDxF3KiRVn-vg@comcast.com...
"Sheldon Liberman" <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FEF4C4A.6030609@sympatico.ca...
You've changed the words around somewhat, but basically said the
samething a third time runing. Understand this boor: the land never was
the Palestinians, they never had title to it, they rejected the UN
partition and launched an illegal war, there was no such thing as a
Palestinian pre-1964, and Jordan lost the land when they invaded Israel
in 67. I know this is a little complecated for you, but I'm sorry, it
doesn't come in comic book format.
Ah but come now Sheldon, he's right. The Arabs ARE invaders, and can
expect
nothing more than to be shot like invaders.
Mickey
Another liar for Satan. Nobody believes your spiel, that the "promised
land", the "land flowing with milk and honey" was merely an uninhabited
desert, occasionally frequented by nomadic herdsmen. The truth is, that
Palestine was densely populated by people whose ancestors lived there for
thousands of years. Then came Jewish terrorists, like the Stern Gang
destroying and killing wantonly like their ancestors, on record in the OT of
having killed EVERY original inhabitant of the area, and started a massive
wave of refugees, who have been living on UN hand-outs ever since. See below
--
Pastor Frank
"One is allowed to lie for the Land of Israel"
--Yitzhak Shamir, former Prime Minister of Israel
Famous Zionist Quote (back when the Zionists were really cocky):
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not
even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because
those Arab villages were destroyed and don't exist any longer, nor do the
geography books which showed them, for they were destroyed also and replaced
with Israeli geography books showing only Israeli names.
Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta;
Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushu'a in the place of
Tal al-Shuman. There is not one single place built in this country that did
not have a former Arab Population."
--Moshe Dayan, Address to the Technion, Haifa (as quoted in
Ha'aretz, 4 April 1969) http://www.birzeit.edu/crdps/village@.html
http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/destroyed_villages/list.htm
Conservative observers state, that Israel was built on the bones of at
least two million Palestinians. By December 1948, 418 Arab villages had been
destroyed, and the United Nations Relief and Works Agency registers 726,000
Palestinian refugees. Walter Eytan, Director-General of Israel's Foreign
Ministry, accepts this figure as meticulous, and even suggests that the
number was closer to 800,000. In Lydda alone Zionist terrorists murdered
50,000 Palestinians, men, women and children, both Muslim and Christian.
(See: The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949. by Benny
Morris: ISBN # 0-521-33028-9)
Only about 5 percent of the present day Jews came from Palestine,
whereas 95 percent are Khazars.
"...I know the blasphemy of them WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS,
and are not, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN." (Revelation
2:9, 3:9)
PETITION TO WORLD LEADERS
We, the undersigned want justice, and have the appalling death toll of
Zionist aggression, oppression, occupation and colonialism in the Middle
East declared a "Crime against Humanity" which must be punished. We
want human rights respected, occupation and confiscation of land made
illegal, and the appalling conditions imposed on occupied civilian
populations lifted.
We want an International Court with power to resolve territorial
disputes established NOW, so that the dispossessed and ethnically
cleansed can sue for redress, instead of having to draw scant
attention to their plight by needing to blow themselves up in the
presence of their ruthless enemies.
Any government conducting or supporting colonialism or other
human rights abuses, must be declared a rogue state and their leaders
and perpetrators must face criminal charges. Supporting, encouraging
or financing human and civil rights abusers must be considered a hate crime.
---
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.547 / Virus Database: 340 - Release Date: 12/2/03
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31 Dec 2003 02:25:13 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:f19fab8ffe6612b19c0a3b81bc6b8ab8@news.teranews.com...
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Auydnacg3KDxF3KiRVn-vg@comcast.com...
"Sheldon Liberman" <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FEF4C4A.6030609@sympatico.ca...
You've changed the words around somewhat, but basically said the
samething a third time runing. Understand this boor: the land never
was
the Palestinians, they never had title to it, they rejected the UN
partition and launched an illegal war, there was no such thing as a
Palestinian pre-1964, and Jordan lost the land when they invaded
Israel
in 67. I know this is a little complecated for you, but I'm sorry, it
doesn't come in comic book format.
Ah but come now Sheldon, he's right. The Arabs ARE invaders, and can
expect
nothing more than to be shot like invaders.
Mickey
Another liar for Satan.
You may be, but as I do not believe in Satan (in forms other than cretins
such as yourself), I will leave that for Christians and whatever god
actually gives a ***** about your hate filled failure of a life to sort out.
Yes another lame attempt to piggy-back some propaganda onto someone else's
post.
Mickey
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28 Dec 2003 04:14:46 PM |
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On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:34:02 -0500, in alt.religion.christian Sheldon
Liberman <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Eric wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:05:35 -0500, in alt.religion.christian Sheldon
Liberman <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Eric wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:52:52 -0500, in alt.religion.christian Sheldon
Liberman <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Eric wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:22:28 -0500, in alt.religion.christian "Mickey"
<mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:59b7dd1f172ff6d7a028f727f4ee69aa@news.teranews.com...
" Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:B3nHb.21454$Pg1.15834@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_KOdnUDn4Kq0NHGi4p2dnA@comcast.com...
Gee, I wonder if this peaceful Christ he refers to is the one that
has
inspired such rampages as the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the
endless
sprees of Northern Ireland and others. Odd isn't it that Christians
like
this never seem to take issue when their brothers kill for no reason,
but
always find time to spew their ***** when a tiny nation like Israel
defends itself against 250,000,000 Arabs.
I am trying to think of a non-Christian culture that did not conduct
"rampages" and "endless sprees" of mayhem and violence. Oddly, I can't
seem to think of one, but then my knowledge is not exhaustive. Can you
give
me some help here? Did the Christians treat their enemies any worse
than
the Aztecs or Chinese or Mongols of Polynesians or Iroquois or Arabs?
Or
could it be that notions of human rights are a modern phneomena utterly
foreign to anyone in the Medieval and Early Modern periods? Or could
the
Christian European penchant for violently attacking those they
considered
to
be threats possibly have something to do with the fact that Medieval
Europe
was the constant target of invaders from the North, East, and South from
the
4th century on? And perhaps the use of violence to resist invaders
became
an habituated response to perceived threat that actually had little or
nothing to do with Jesus? May I be so bold as to suggest that Marc
Bloch
explained this process much more elegantly and in infinitely greater
detail
in his wonderful two books entitled "Feudal Society"? May I also
suggest
that you read Bloch, and also Heeres and Husinga? It will broaden your
horizons somewhat.
The point is not, that we all are sinners, but that some repent and
others don't. Where Germans are sorry, ashamed and repentant of their
holocaust of the Jews, Jews on the other hand are proud and self-justified
in killing every inhabitant of the entire "promised land" to "possess the
land" and "reap where they have not sown", and still feel justified doing
the same to Palestinians today for the same reasons.
More ***** and propaganda. Germans killed Jews for no reason other than
an attempt at "racial purity". Jews presented NO THREAT WHATSOEVER to the
average German. Compare this now to Israel, where Arabs are blowing up
innocent children on busses. This is what you compare, and expect to be seen
as credible? You are either a troll and a liar or a grand fool. Care to
enlighten us as to which?
It's always justified to blow up the invaders of land along with their
relatives regardless what excuses the invaders use to justify their
occupation. When you have not come in peace, you deserve violence.
Why don't you think logically? Israel was invaded by Jordan, Syria, and
Iraq in 1967, and nipped a potential attack by Egypt in the bud. That's
what led to what YOU call an Israeli invasion. Why can't you people see
that, if Israel was the aggressor nation, it would never have given
Sinai back to Egypt or Golan to Syria. All they wanted in return was a
guarantee of the right to peaceful existence. Jordan lost the West Bank
and still Israel is willing to give the land to people who have no legal
status in exchange for peace, but the fools who speak for them refuse.
Sheesh.
Let me tell you again:
"It's always justified to blow up the invaders of land along with
their relatives regardless what excuses the invaders use to justify
their occupation. When you have not come in peace, you deserve
violence."
Another One Who Flew In from the Cukoo's Nest.
My argument stands as it is. The invader deserves everything they have
got by their own act of invasion. Peace should never be given to them
until they pack up and leave.
You've changed the words around somewhat, but basically said the
samething a third time runing. Understand this boor: the land never was
the Palestinians, they never had title to it, they rejected the UN
partition and launched an illegal war, there was no such thing as a
Palestinian pre-1964, and Jordan lost the land when they invaded Israel
in 67. I know this is a little complecated for you, but I'm sorry, it
doesn't come in comic book format.
"When you have not come in peace, you deserve violence."
Mickey
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28 Dec 2003 05:16:36 PM |
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Eric wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:34:02 -0500, in alt.religion.christian Sheldon
Liberman <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Eric wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:05:35 -0500, in alt.religion.christian Sheldon
Liberman <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Eric wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:52:52 -0500, in alt.religion.christian Sheldon
Liberman <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Eric wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:22:28 -0500, in alt.religion.christian "Mickey"
<mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote:
"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:59b7dd1f172ff6d7a028f727f4ee69aa@news.teranews.com...
" Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:B3nHb.21454$Pg1.15834@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:_KOdnUDn4Kq0NHGi4p2dnA@comcast.com...
Gee, I wonder if this peaceful Christ he refers to is the one that
has
inspired such rampages as the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the
endless
sprees of Northern Ireland and others. Odd isn't it that Christians
like
this never seem to take issue when their brothers kill for no reason,
but
always find time to spew their ***** when a tiny nation like Israel
defends itself against 250,000,000 Arabs.
I am trying to think of a non-Christian culture that did not conduct
"rampages" and "endless sprees" of mayhem and violence. Oddly, I can't
seem to think of one, but then my knowledge is not exhaustive. Can you
give
me some help here? Did the Christians treat their enemies any worse
than
the Aztecs or Chinese or Mongols of Polynesians or Iroquois or Arabs?
Or
could it be that notions of human rights are a modern phneomena utterly
foreign to anyone in the Medieval and Early Modern periods? Or could
the
Christian European penchant for violently attacking those they
considered
to
be threats possibly have something to do with the fact that Medieval
Europe
was the constant target of invaders from the North, East, and South from
the
4th century on? And perhaps the use of violence to resist invaders
became
an habituated response to perceived threat that actually had little or
nothing to do with Jesus? May I be so bold as to suggest that Marc
Bloch
explained this process much more elegantly and in infinitely greater
detail
in his wonderful two books entitled "Feudal Society"? May I also
suggest
that you read Bloch, and also Heeres and Husinga? It will broaden your
horizons somewhat.
The point is not, that we all are sinners, but that some repent and
others don't. Where Germans are sorry, ashamed and repentant of their
holocaust of the Jews, Jews on the other hand are proud and self-justified
in killing every inhabitant of the entire "promised land" to "possess the
land" and "reap where they have not sown", and still feel justified doing
the same to Palestinians today for the same reasons.
More ***** and propaganda. Germans killed Jews for no reason other than
an attempt at "racial purity". Jews presented NO THREAT WHATSOEVER to the
average German. Compare this now to Israel, where Arabs are blowing up
innocent children on busses. This is what you compare, and expect to be seen
as credible? You are either a troll and a liar or a grand fool. Care to
enlighten us as to which?
It's always justified to blow up the invaders of land along with their
relatives regardless what excuses the invaders use to justify their
occupation. When you have not come in peace, you deserve violence.
Why don't you think logically? Israel was invaded by Jordan, Syria, and
Iraq in 1967, and nipped a potential attack by Egypt in the bud. That's
what led to what YOU call an Israeli invasion. Why can't you people see
that, if Israel was the aggressor nation, it would never have given
Sinai back to Egypt or Golan to Syria. All they wanted in return was a
guarantee of the right to peaceful existence. Jordan lost the West Bank
and still Israel is willing to give the land to people who have no legal
status in exchange for peace, but the fools who speak for them refuse.
Sheesh.
Let me tell you again:
"It's always justified to blow up the invaders of land along with
their relatives regardless what excuses the invaders use to justify
their occupation. When you have not come in peace, you deserve
violence."
Another One Who Flew In from the Cukoo's Nest.
My argument stands as it is. The invader deserves everything they have
got by their own act of invasion. Peace should never be given to them
until they pack up and leave.
You've changed the words around somewhat, but basically said the
samething a third time runing. Understand this boor: the land never was
the Palestinians, they never had title to it, they rejected the UN
partition and launched an illegal war, there was no such thing as a
Palestinian pre-1964, and Jordan lost the land when they invaded Israel
in 67. I know this is a little complecated for you, but I'm sorry, it
doesn't come in comic book format.
"When you have not come in peace, you deserve violence."
Four and counting. I suggest you stop here because I doubt you can count
to five.
Israel came in peace and left in pieces.
Mickey
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28 Dec 2003 05:56:42 PM |
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On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:16:36 -0500, in alt.religion.christian Sheldon
Liberman <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Israel came in peace and left in pieces.
Interesting. I have not mentioned either israel or palestine, but you
seem to be able to identify the guilty party every time. Why is that?
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31 Dec 2003 09:30:50 AM |
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"Eric" <duima@sympatico.ca.no.trash> wrote in message
news:p5ruuvk9sibttlurjjsun4q62f25rjt4qj@4ax.com...
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:16:36 -0500, in alt.religion.christian Sheldon
Liberman <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Israel came in peace and left in pieces.
Interesting. I have not mentioned either israel or palestine, but you
seem to be able to identify the guilty party every time. Why is that?
If you are telling us, that those refugee Palestinian villagers were
actually Jews, and the ones terrorizing them into fleeing into refugee camps
were actually Palestinian Semites, then I don't believe you.
How come you get everything always backwards and in reverse? Tell us,
how much is the Israeli government paying you to justify every and all of
their actions against non-Jews, inundating us with Israeli propaganda?
--
Pastor Frank
"One is allowed to lie for the Land of Israel"
--Yitzhak Shamir, former Prime Minister of Israel
Famous Zionist Quote (back when the Zionists were really cocky):
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not
even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because
those Arab villages were destroyed and don't exist any longer, nor do the
geography books which showed them, for they were destroyed also and replaced
with Israeli geography books showing only Israeli names.
Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta;
Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushu'a in the place of
Tal al-Shuman. There is not one single place built in this country that did
not have a former Arab Population."
--Moshe Dayan, Address to the Technion, Haifa (as quoted in
Ha'aretz, 4 April 1969) http://www.birzeit.edu/crdps/village@.html
http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/destroyed_villages/list.htm
Conservative observers state, that Israel was built on the bones of at
least two million Palestinians. By December 1948, 418 Arab villages had been
destroyed, and the United Nations Relief and Works Agency registers 726,000
Palestinian refugees. Walter Eytan, Director-General of Israel's Foreign
Ministry, accepts this figure as meticulous, and even suggests that the
number was closer to 800,000. In Lydda alone Zionist terrorists murdered
50,000 Palestinians, men, women and children, both Muslim and Christian.
(See: The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949. by Benny
Morris: ISBN # 0-521-33028-9)
Only about 5 percent of the present day Jews came from Palestine,
whereas 95 percent are Khazars.
"...I know the blasphemy of them WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS,
and are not, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN." (Revelation
2:9, 3:9)
PETITION TO WORLD LEADERS
We, the undersigned want justice, and have the appalling death toll of
Zionist aggression, oppression, occupation and colonialism in the Middle
East declared a "Crime against Humanity" which must be punished. We
want human rights respected, occupation and confiscation of land made
illegal, and the appalling conditions imposed on occupied civilian
populations lifted.
We want an International Court with power to resolve territorial
disputes established NOW, so that the dispossessed and ethnically
cleansed can sue for redress, instead of having to draw scant
attention to their plight by needing to blow themselves up in the
presence of their ruthless enemies.
Any government conducting or supporting colonialism or other
human rights abuses, must be declared a rogue state and their leaders
and perpetrators must face criminal charges. Supporting, encouraging
or financing human and civil rights abusers must be considered a hate crime.
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"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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"Eric" <duima@sympatico.ca.no.trash> wrote in message
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On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:16:36 -0500, in alt.religion.christian Sheldon
Liberman <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Israel came in peace and left in pieces.
Interesting. I have not mentioned either israel or palestine, but you
seem to be able to identify the guilty party every time. Why is that?
If you are telling us, that those refugee Palestinian villagers were
actually Jews, and the ones terrorizing them into fleeing into refugee
camps
were actually Palestinian Semites, then I don't believe you.
How come you get everything always backwards and in reverse? Tell us,
how much is the Israeli government paying you to justify every and all of
their actions against non-Jews, inundating us with Israeli propaganda?
Yes another lame attempt to piggy-back some propaganda onto someone else's
post.
Mickey
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31 Dec 2003 04:17:20 PM |
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:30:50 GMT, in alt.religion.christian "Pastor
Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote:
"Eric" <duima@sympatico.ca.no.trash> wrote in message
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On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:16:36 -0500, in alt.religion.christian Sheldon
Liberman <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Israel came in peace and left in pieces.
Interesting. I have not mentioned either israel or palestine, but you
seem to be able to identify the guilty party every time. Why is that?
If you are telling us, that those refugee Palestinian villagers were
actually Jews, and the ones terrorizing them into fleeing into refugee camps
were actually Palestinian Semites, then I don't believe you.
How come you get everything always backwards and in reverse? Tell us,
how much is the Israeli government paying you to justify every and all of
their actions against non-Jews, inundating us with Israeli propaganda?
As I said before, I have not mentioned either israel or palestine.
It's the guy named liberman always manage to identify israel as the
guilty party without mistake in arguing against my mutual argument.
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28 Dec 2003 06:46:04 PM |
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Eric wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:16:36 -0500, in alt.religion.christian Sheldon
Liberman <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Israel came in peace and left in pieces.
Interesting. I have not mentioned either israel or palestine, but you
seem to be able to identify the guilty party every time. Why is that?
Because, idiot, read the topic of the thread you are responing to. Who's
the only democracy in the middle east?
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28 Dec 2003 07:57:32 PM |
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"Sheldon Liberman" <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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Eric wrote:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:16:36 -0500, in alt.religion.christian Sheldon
Liberman <sheldon.liberman@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Israel came in peace and left in pieces.
Interesting. I have not mentioned either israel or palestine, but you
seem to be able to identify the guilty party every time. Why is that?
Because, idiot, read the topic of the thread you are responing to. Who's
the only democracy in the middle east?
Israel, of course.
Mickey
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29 Dec 2003 12:48:16 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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" Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Gee, I wonder if this peaceful Christ he refers to is the one that
has
inspired such rampages as the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the
endless
sprees of Northern Ireland and others. Odd isn't it that Christians
like
this never seem to take issue when their brothers kill for no reason,
but
always find time to spew their ***** when a tiny nation like Israel
defends itself against 250,000,000 Arabs.
I am trying to think of a non-Christian culture that did not conduct
"rampages" and "endless sprees" of mayhem and violence. Oddly, I can't
seem to think of one, but then my knowledge is not exhaustive. Can you
give
me some help here? Did the Christians treat their enemies any worse
than
the Aztecs or Chinese or Mongols of Polynesians or Iroquois or Arabs?
Or
could it be that notions of human rights are a modern phneomena utterly
foreign to anyone in the Medieval and Early Modern periods? Or could
the
Christian European penchant for violently attacking those they
considered
to
be threats possibly have something to do with the fact that Medieval
Europe
was the constant target of invaders from the North, East, and South from
the
4th century on? And perhaps the use of violence to resist invaders
became
an habituated response to perceived threat that actually had little or
nothing to do with Jesus? May I be so bold as to suggest that Marc
Bloch
explained this process much more elegantly and in infinitely greater
detail
in his wonderful two books entitled "Feudal Society"? May I also
suggest
that you read Bloch, and also Heeres and Husinga? It will broaden your
horizons somewhat.
The point is not, that we all are sinners, but that some repent and
others don't. Where Germans are sorry, ashamed and repentant of their
holocaust of the Jews, Jews on the other hand are proud and self-justified
in killing every inhabitant of the entire "promised land" to "possess the
land" and "reap where they have not sown", and still feel justified doing
the same to Palestinians today for the same reasons.
You are either FOR universal human rights or against them. Make up
your
mind on which side of the fence you are on, for you will be judged as you
have judged others, especially "the least of them" See below
You obviously have enough problems with your own "salvation," "Pastor"
Frank, or have you forgotten your frequent and repeated bearing false
witness sins? So why don't you concern yourself with your own soul and let
me worry about mine. I sleep just fine . . . . You could try reading and
educating yourself, for a start . . . . . .
--
Pastor Frank
CHRIST'S SOCIAL GOSPEL
(Jesus in Matt: 25:41): Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil
and
his angels:
42: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye
gave
me no drink:
43: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not:
sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44: Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an
hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and
did
not minister unto thee?
45: Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as
ye
did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46: And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous
into life eternal.
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29 Dec 2003 04:20:22 PM |
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" Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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You obviously have enough problems with your own "salvation," "Pastor"
Frank, or have you forgotten your frequent and repeated bearing false
witness sins? So why don't you concern yourself with your own soul and
let
me worry about mine. I sleep just fine . . . . You could try reading and
educating yourself, for a start . . . . . .
His own soul? My, my, my, aren't WE making assumptions.
Mickey
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29 Dec 2003 07:16:55 PM |
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"Mickey" <mickeyb@comcast.net> wrote in message
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" Didymos" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <pfrank@christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:59b7dd1f172ff6d7a028f727f4ee69aa@news.teranews.com...
You obviously have enough problems with your own "salvation," "Pastor"
Frank, or have you forgotten your frequent and repeated bearing false
witness sins? So why don't you concern yourself with your own soul and
let
me worry about mine. I sleep just fine . . . . You could try reading
and
educating yourself, for a start . . . . . .
His own soul? My, my, my, aren't WE making assumptions.
Mickey
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