"David Chilles" <Chilles.@brane.com> wrote in message
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Dennis Kemmerer wrote:

"David Chilles" <Chilles.@brane.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 19:34:47 GMT, David Chilles

<Chilles.@brane.com>

wrote:

At the position that the Pope is in, with the access to the

knowledge

of his religion, he cannot claim ignorance of the facts. The fact

is,

the

Pope is lying and he knows it. It is the same cover up that he

used

with the priests who were molesting girls and boys in their

charge,

to

maintain the elitist prestige of the church. He knows there is no

sin

of homosexuality in the bible in context, only the sin of

idolatry in

the

fertility sexual rituals of giving of the seed to Baal, Molech

and

Venus.

It may not be a sin, but the Bible does specify the death penalty

for

homosexual acts.

Evil little fables, aren't they!

Let's get this straight, the bible does not say a word about

homosexuality

what so ever in context, only the sin of idolatry of the sexual

rituals to

the fertility gods. Idolatry is treason, and it carried the death

penalty.

You are agreeing with a bigot that hates homosexuals, you should
be so proud of yourself.

Watch your attributions. I'm on your side. I'm making fun of the bible
babble.

Watch your reinforcing the myth of homosexuality is a sin in the bible.

Hey, doofus, for chrissake I'm on _your_ side!

Read my posts. I'm saying that the bible is a bunch of fables.

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 22:28:49 GMT, "Light Templar"
<I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:

"Nokia" <nokiamail@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 21:30:35 GMT, David Chilles <Chilles.@brane.com>
wrote:

Let's get this straight, the bible does not say a word about

homosexuality

what so ever in context, only the sin of idolatry of the sexual

to

the fertility gods. Idolatry is treason, and it carried the death

penalty.

Actually, the bible mentions it 24 times.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gay.htm

Including this little diamond from Paul:

"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their
women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman,
burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that
which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of
their error which was meet."

If you read the several chapters before that, you will discover that
heterosexuals were GIVEN UP to homosexual behaviors due to their sin of
idolotry. Had they already been homosexual, then it wouldn't have been
much of oa punishment, would it?

Where are you getting this idolatry? Where does it say so?

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 22:28:49 GMT, "Light Templar"
<I@DONTACCEPTEMAIL.FAM> wrote:

"Nokia" <nokiamail@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 21:30:35 GMT, David Chilles <Chilles.@brane.com>
wrote:

Let's get this straight, the bible does not say a word about

homosexuality

what so ever in context, only the sin of idolatry of the sexual rituals

to

the fertility gods. Idolatry is treason, and it carried the death

penalty.

Actually, the bible mentions it 24 times.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gay.htm

Including this little diamond from Paul:

"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their
women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman,
burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that
which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of
their error which was meet."

If you read the several chapters before that, you will discover that
heterosexuals were GIVEN UP to homosexual behaviors due to their sin of
idolotry.   Had they already been homosexual, then it wouldn't have been
much of oa punishment, would it?

Where are you getting this idolatry? Where does it say so?

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 22:32:43 GMT, David Davis <Davis@neutralc.com>
wrote:

Nokia wrote:

On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 21:30:35 GMT, David Chilles <Chilles.@brane.com>
wrote:

Let's get this straight, the bible does not say a word about homosexuality
what so ever in context, only the sin of idolatry of  the sexual rituals to
the fertility gods. Idolatry is treason, and it carried the death penalty.

Actually, the bible mentions it 24 times.

There were two very important and always over looked words
(above) when it comes the the myth of homosexuality as a sin
in the bible. IN CONTEXT! You can get the bible to say any
damn thing you want out of context.

And you just like all the christians with a homophobic agenda, ignore
the verse that puts this into context, verse 23.

Adam Clarke's Commentary:
Romans, 1
Verse 23. They changed the glory,] The finest representation of
their deities was in the human figure; and on such representative
figures the sculptors spent all their skill; hence the HERCULES of
Farnese, the VENUS of Medicis, and the APOLLO of Belvidere.
And when they had formed their gods according to the human shape,
they endowed them with human passions; and as they clothed them
with attributes of extraordinary strength, beauty, wisdom, &c., not
having the true principles of morality, they represented them as
slaves to the most disorderly and disgraceful passions; excelling in
irregularities the most profligate of men, as possessing unlimited
powers of sensual gratification.

Verse 26.   For this cause God gave them up]. Their system
of idolatry necessarily produced all kinds of impurity.
How could it be otherwise, when the highest objects of
their worship were adulterers, fornicators, and prostitutes
of the most infamous kind, such as Jupiter, Apollo, Mars, Venus.

Verse 27. Receiving in themselves that recompense,] Both
the women and men, by their unnatural prostitutions, enervated
their bodies, so that barrenness prevailed, and those disorders
which are necessarily attendant on prostitution and sodomitical
practices.

sooo...why would this be the correct interpretation? As you said, the
bible can be made to mean anything. Your interpretation really doesn't
look any more solid or better thought through than the church's.

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 22:32:43 GMT, David Davis <Davis@neutralc.com> wrote:

Nokia wrote:

On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 21:30:35 GMT, David Chilles <Chilles.@brane.com>
wrote:

Let's get this straight, the bible does not say a word about homosexuality
what so ever in context, only the sin of idolatry of  the sexual rituals to
the fertility gods. Idolatry is treason, and it carried the death penalty.

Actually, the bible mentions it 24 times.

There were two very important and always over looked words
(above) when it comes the the myth of homosexuality as a sin
in the bible. IN CONTEXT! You can get the bible to say any
damn thing you want out of context.

You said it.

James 2:
3  And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing,

Gay meaning joyful.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/gay.htm

Including this little diamond from Paul:

"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their
women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman,
burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that
which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of
their error which was meet."

And you just like all the christians with a homophobic agenda, ignore
the verse that puts this into context, verse 23.

You can get the bible to say any damn thing you want out of context.

Adam Clarke's Commentary:
Romans, 1
Verse 23. They changed the glory,] The finest representation of
their deities was in the human figure; and on such representative
figures the sculptors spent all their skill; hence the HERCULES of
Farnese, the VENUS of Medicis, and the APOLLO of Belvidere.
And when they had formed their gods according to the human shape,
they endowed them with human passions; and as they clothed them
with attributes of extraordinary strength, beauty, wisdom, &c., not
having the true principles of morality, they represented them as
slaves to the most disorderly and disgraceful passions; excelling in
irregularities the most profligate of men, as possessing unlimited
powers of sensual gratification.

Verse 26.   For this cause God gave them up]. Their system
of idolatry necessarily produced all kinds of impurity.
How could it be otherwise, when the highest objects of
their worship were adulterers, fornicators, and prostitutes
of the most infamous kind, such as Jupiter, Apollo, Mars, Venus.

Verse 27. Receiving in themselves that recompense,] Both
the women and men, by their unnatural prostitutions, enervated
their bodies, so that barrenness prevailed, and those disorders
which are necessarily attendant on prostitution and sodomitical
practices.

"Martin Thomas" <mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 19:34:47 GMT, David Chilles
<Chilles.@brane.com> wrote:

At the position that the Pope is in, with the access to the knowledge
of his religion, he cannot claim ignorance of the facts. The fact is, the
Pope is lying and he knows it. It is the same cover up that he used
with the priests who were molesting girls and boys in their charge, to
maintain the elitist prestige of the church. He knows there is no sin
of homosexuality in the bible in context, only the sin of idolatry in the
fertility sexual rituals of giving of the seed to Baal, Molech and Venus.
There is no way he could not know that the facts will not bear the
mythical sin of homosexuality, that he in his cover up is using to
maintain control over the people he is assigned to manage.

Anyone who critically and without bias researches the Bible,

But the pope isn't a brain dead fundamentalist nutter who
pretends to believe in the literal truth of everything in the
Bible.

He is the man in charge of a slightly different species of
lunacy.

Is that dried up old palsy ridden man actually in charge of anything
anymore?

"Martin Thomas" <mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net> wrote in message
news:p9hrivors492acv1dqejnud209m43e2h9t@4ax.com...

On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 19:34:47 GMT, David Chilles
<Chilles.@brane.com> wrote:

At the position that the Pope is in, with the access to the knowledge
of his religion, he cannot claim ignorance of the facts. The fact is, the
Pope is lying and he knows it. It is the same cover up that he used
with the priests who were molesting girls and boys in their charge, to
maintain the elitist prestige of the church. He knows there is no sin
of homosexuality in the bible in context, only the sin of idolatry in the
fertility sexual rituals of giving of the seed to Baal, Molech and Venus.
There is no way he could not know that the facts will not bear the
mythical sin of homosexuality, that he in his cover up is using to
maintain control over the people he is assigned to manage.

Anyone who critically and without bias researches the Bible,

But the pope isn't a brain dead fundamentalist nutter who
pretends to believe in the literal truth of everything in the
Bible.

He is the man in charge of a slightly different species of
lunacy.

Is that dried up old palsy ridden man actually in charge of anything
anymore?

"Martin Thomas" <mart666t@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net> wrote in message
news:p9hrivors492acv1dqejnud209m43e2h9t@4ax.com...

On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 19:34:47 GMT, David Chilles
<Chilles.@brane.com> wrote:

At the position that the Pope is in, with the access to the knowledge
of his religion, he cannot claim ignorance of the facts. The fact is, the
Pope is lying and he knows it. It is the same cover up that he used
with the priests who were molesting girls and boys in their charge, to
maintain the elitist prestige of the church. He knows there is no sin
of homosexuality in the bible in context, only the sin of idolatry in the
fertility sexual rituals of giving of the seed to Baal, Molech and Venus.
There is no way he could not know that the facts will not bear the
mythical sin of homosexuality, that he in his cover up is using to
maintain control over the people he is assigned to manage.

Anyone who critically and without bias researches the Bible,

But the pope isn't a brain dead fundamentalist nutter who
pretends to believe in the literal truth of everything in the
Bible.

He is the man in charge of a slightly different species of
lunacy.

Is that dried up old palsy ridden man actually in charge of anything
anymore?