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"Carl" |
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24 May 2007 08:37:15 PM |
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The Power Of Faith |
Faith in Jesus Christ is a marvelous thing. Something that frees us from the
penalty of sin. It is joyous and wondrous. Danny Hall writes about the power
of faith.
May God bless,
Carl
website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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THE POWER OF FAITH
By Danny Hall
One of the most frustrating things about being a human being is being a
human being! There are so many times when we just can't seem to do the right
thing, or think the right thing, or make the right decision. Even on our
best days there is always an undercurrent that isn't quite right.
About a week ago I came across a Dennis the Menace cartoon. A box of crayons
is lying on the floor, and there are drawings all over the wall. Dennis' mom
has put him in the corner. Dennis is saying, "Boy, I sure do wish life came
with an eraser!" Have you ever felt like that? So many times I have. The
good news is that there is an eraser. You just have to know where to look
for it.
This is the second message in a series on the statement in Scripture "The
just shall live by faith." This message will focus on the wonderful power of
faith. For the most part we'll study Paul's letter to the Romans, where he
uses this statement "The just shall live by faith" in his theme verses,
1:16-17. In order to understand this statement, we're going to do a quick
survey of the whole book of Romans, just as we surveyed the book of Habakkuk
in the last message (Discovery Paper 4671). Paul uses this statement as a
launch pad for all the rest of his discussion in the book.
Verses 1-17 of chapter 1 are the introduction of the letter, and it is much
longer than Paul's introductions usually are. It begins with powerful
statements about who Jesus Christ is. It talks of Paul's longing to come and
see the Romans and bring the gospel to them. It concludes with this powerful
statement of what the letter is going to be about in verses 16-17, and we'll
come back and study those two verses in just a moment.
In 1:18 Paul launches into a discussion of the plight of man. He talks about
the problem of sin and its downward spiral in life, about how we fail to
acknowledge who God is and give him the glory as our Creator and Lord. That
leads to all kinds of deterioration and destruction of the very moral fabric
of humanity. He spends the rest of chapter 1 talking about that.
In chapter 2 Paul speaks specifically to his Jewish brethren, who came to
believe that by the privileges given them by God as his chosen people, they
were special spiritually. Paul goes through chapter 2 and well into chapter
3 confronting that error. He reminds them that while they do have the Law
and all kinds of special privileges, and they are called by God to be the
conduit of his Messiah, to be the custodians of his truth and a light to the
world, they have abrogated that responsibility. They have become ingrown and
spiritually proud. Just as the pagans outside their nation have, they have
fallen short of what it means to be truly human, to be people who are alive
in God as we all were created to be.
But in 3:21 to the end of chapter 8, Paul gives us the wonderful news that
God has an answer for all the problems of humanity's sinfulness, whether the
pagan's or the Jew's. Paul builds a glorious exposition of who Christ is,
what he has accomplished for us, and how faith in Christ will help us. By
the time Paul gets to chapter 8, we are in a wonderful attitude of praise
and worship for the great salvation God has given us.
Chapters 9-11 have posed all kinds of difficulty for students of the book of
Romans. In these chapters Paul seems to be sidetracking into the problems
connected with the nation of Israel's being set aside as God's people and
the Gentiles' being "grafted in." But when we study our theme verses, we
will see that these chapters play an important part in the argument Paul is
unfolding as to what God is doing. It is directly related to what we learned
in the last message from the book of Habakkuk about trusting God and his
sovereign purposes.
Then in chapters 12-16, Paul finishes with a wonderful explanation of how
our life in Christ impacts us practically, day by day.
In summary, Paul is unfolding the glorious story of what Jesus Christ has
done for us and how it impacts our lives so that we are set free by him.
With that overview in mind, let's go back and look at our theme verses,
1:16-17:
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation
to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it
the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written,
"But the righteous man shall live by faith."
In these two short verses Paul has managed to compress an incredible amount
of wonderful truth. Let's try to unpack it as we look at the key elements of
the verses.
The gospel proclaims Jesus
First Paul says, "I am not ashamed of the gospel.." What possible reason
could there be for him to be ashamed of the gospel? Some have theorized that
perhaps Paul was a rather obscure preacher from an unimportant portion of
the Roman Empire, and he was now planning to go to the capital city of Rome
and begin to proclaim Christ in the face of the powerful might of Rome, to
enter the teeth of the lion, so to speak. He might have been tempted to feel
insignificant in the larger scope of things.
That could be true, but it is not at the heart of what Paul is saying.
Possibly what Paul is speaking of here is his realization of what the plan
of salvation looks like in its entirety. There is no other book in Paul's
writings where he is more passionate and positive about his own Jewishness,
yet brokenhearted about the unbelief of his Jewish brethren. "Paul," we want
to ask, "didn't God promise the Jews, your people, that they would be the
conduit of the Messiah? Aren't they God's chosen people? How is it that now
the Jews seem to be set aside in favor of the Gentiles?"
This hearkens back to Habakkuk. Remember, Habakkuk too was concerned about
the fate of the Jewish nation. God said he would raise up the Chaldeans
(Babylonians) to come in and discipline them. Habakkuk was aghast that God
would raise up Gentiles to discipline the Jews! He couldn't understand and
was actually angry and disillusioned with God. But God told Habakkuk to step
back and take in the bigger picture. The sovereign God of the universe was
working out his purposes, and Habakkuk needed to trust him.
In the same way Paul as a Jew might be tempted to be ashamed of the fact
that the Jews had failed, and that this church he is planning to visit is a
predominantly Gentile church, yet he, a former Pharisee, is the apostle to
the Gentiles! This might seem like a crazy plan to him.
But regardless of the reason he is tempted to feel ashamed, what Paul wants
us to realize is that he is not ashamed, because God is doing something
greater than either Jew or Gentile could ever imagine! God has done
something so significant, so wonderful, so amazing, that it transcends even
the distinction between Jew and Gentile. This is God's sovereign work for
the whole world, which he had always intended for the nation of Israel, now
fulfilled!
The second word I want us to look at in Paul's theme verses is "gospel." We
sometimes equate the word "gospel" with what we call the plan of salvation,
in other words a description of what we believed to become a Christian. But
that's not the way Paul uses the word "gospel." Paul is talking about the
proclamation of who Jesus Christ is--the Son of God, crucified, risen, and
reigning as Lord--the Savior. In the opening five verses of Romans he
writes:
"Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for
the gospel of God, which He promised beforehand through His prophets in the
holy Scriptures, concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David
according to the flesh, who was declared the Son of God with power by the
resurrection from the dead, according to the spirit of holiness, Jesus
Christ our Lord, through whom we have received grace and apostleship to
bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles, for His name's
sake."
The gospel is all about Jesus Christ. It is the proclamation of Christ that
draws people to him, and the proclamation of Christ was at the center of all
that Paul was. In 1 Corinthians 2:2, where Paul is reflecting on his first
visit to the Corinthians, he reminds them, "I determined to know nothing
among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified."
The gospel is able to save
Paul then says about this gospel that it is "the power of God for
salvation." The word "power" is the great Greek word dunamis (from which we
have derived our word "dynamite"). That word simply means to be able. It
speaks of the inherent ability of the gospel to do what it's supposed to do.
Paul makes this same point in Galatians 3:10-14, which is the other place
where he quotes the statement "The just shall live by faith":
For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is
written, "Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the
book of the Law, to perform them." Now that no one is justified by the Law
before God is evident; for, "The righteous man shall live by faith."
However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, "He who practices them
shall live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having
become a curse for us--for it is written, "Cursed is every one who hangs on
a tree"--in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to
the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through
faith.
Paul reminds us here, as he teaches in Romans, that there is no inherent
power in the Law to make us new or to change our lives. Rather, as the Law
directed us toward holiness in God, it would expose us as being sinful. In
contrast to that, Paul says that the gospel, the message of who Jesus Christ
is and what he has done, is able to save us. The gospel is where we can find
the "eraser" we're looking for. The gospel of Jesus Christ is how things can
be made new, as we trust in him.
One of the manifestations of our spiritual weakness as human beings is that
we tend to settle for less than what God offers. There are at least four
categories that we fall into in this.
Some people's response to their spiritual need is despair. "I can't change
anything. I'm awful. The world is awful. There's no spiritual hope."
Another category is what I call fatalism. "I'm not getting any better, and I
can't do anything about it. I'm just doing what I can." It amounts to
drudgery. There may be those days when an inspirational speaker or a crisis
helps people in this category to rise to the occasion for a moment or two,
so that things go better. But then they fall back into the rut of drudgery
again. A lot of us live this way.
A third category we might fall into when settling for less than what God
offers is humanistic pride. People in this category cling to accomplishments
or success to feel good about themselves. It may be in the arts or sports or
their profession. It may be in doing enough community service so everybody
will think they're the most wonderful person in the community. Maybe they
experience this through their children. There's a certain task where they
get a little more accomplished, and people recognize them for that. There is
nothing inherently wrong with that, of course, but some people settle for
that as if that were what life is all about--human applause. Every morning
they get up and run back to the rat race saying, "I've got to work harder,
write a few more lines of code. Maybe we'll go public in the next six months
and I'll be the richest guy on my block!"
The fourth category is religious pride. Some develop an attitude in life of
being the most spiritual person they can be to feel good about themselves.
Every religion, Christian and non-Christian, develops around its faith
system a set of beliefs about what a good Christian (Muslim, Mormon, etc.)
is. We have one in this church. If I were to ask you what a good Christian
looks like, certain behaviors and religious activities, "Christian" things,
which, again, are not bad in themselves, would come to mind: go to church
every Sunday, read the Bible every day, etc. But when we define ourselves by
how many good things we do and come to feel that these things are the
essence of life, then we've settled for less than God offers us.
In contrast to these lesser responses to spiritual need, Paul says,
indirectly in Galatians 3:10-14 and specifically in Romans 1:16, that the
gospel itself is the power of God for salvation. The gospel will give us
something far beyond anything we ever dreamed of. It's what will break the
back of all that despair, drudgery, or pride, whether humanistic or
religious, and set us free to experience the real life that God wants to
offer. The gospel tells us there is something more out there to be had!
There is something real, in relationship with God himself, by which we can
be set free from what holds us down, as we believe. This is the real power
of the gospel.
Life-changing faith
Paul goes on to say in 1:17 that in this powerful gospel, to everyone who
believes, the righteousness of God is revealed. There are basically two
positions on what he means by the righteousness of God. One is that this is
God's own moral quality of righteousness. The other is that this is the
righteousness of God that is given to us. Throughout the book of Romans Paul
actually uses this phrase both ways. Depending on the context, he emphasizes
one meaning or the other. In 3:21ff especially, he uses both meanings when
he talks about God's being shown to be a righteous and just God while also
giving to us his righteousness.
I think, however, that in this theme verse Paul is using the first meaning.
This display of the gospel reveals to us that God himself is a righteous
God. We might question his ways and motives at times, but the gospel, the
finished work of Jesus Christ, declares to the world that God himself is
righteous and he has acted justly in his world, even as he has acted
lovingly and wonderfully and graciously toward all who would believe.
Paul then says the righteousness of God is revealed "from faith to faith."
Now if you were to look up the phrase "from faith to faith" in a number of
commentaries on the book of Romans, you'd find umpteen different opinions on
what it means. The Greek text literally says, "Out of faith unto faith."
Sometimes the interpretation of this phrase is that it's intensifying or
emphasizing the idea of faith. Another interpretation points to the
progression of our walk with God; it begins with faith in Christ and
continues with faith in Christ.
But I'd like to suggest another interpretation. The Greek word for faith is
also the word for faithfulness, and depending on its context, it can be used
that way. For instance, in Romans 3:3, Paul clearly uses this word in
reference to God's faithfulness: "What then? If some did not believe, their
unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God, will it?" So, in this
case, I would suggest that "faith to faith" is a hinge phrase in Romans
1:17. The righteousness of God is revealed from his faithfulness to our
faith. That is, based on God's righteous faithfulness to fulfill all his
promises and accomplish his works, we place our faith in him. The powerful
gospel has revealed him this way, and as we encounter his wonderful,
transforming grace, the gospel comes home to us personally and powerfully,
changing our lives.
Real life
That brings us finally to the little statement "The righteous man shall live
by faith." Interestingly, Paul's quote from Habakkuk is not a direct
translation of either the Hebrew text or the Septuagint, the Greek
translation of the Old Testament used in Paul's time. Paul is basically
giving us his own paraphrase.
People have struggled as to how to translate this statement. It is most
often translated as we read it above. But an alternate reading, which you
may find in the margin notes of your Bible, is also compelling: "The just by
faith shall live." There are strong arguments in favor of each, but in light
of the whole course of the argument of Romans, I believe the second reading
fits better. Paul is saying to us, "The just by faith shall live." What he
is inviting us to recognize is that this powerful gospel he is talking
about, and which he is going to explain, gives us something more than just
some sort of new religion--it gives us real life. The pagans can try to find
life in self-indulgence or accomplishment. The Jews can search for it in
religious privilege as well as in the ethnicity, legalism, and social
structure that they have built. You can search for life in whatever you
want, but you will find life only in Christ. The one who is justified by
faith in Christ is the one who lives.
What God is offering to us is life that is outside of the normal human
experience. An interesting study for you to do would be to trace out the
word "life" or "live" in the New Testament using a concordance. The New
Testament concept of life is not mere existence. It is a special kind of
life, a life that is empowered by God himself. What Paul wants us to see is
that in the gospel of Christ, what has kept us in bondage is broken and we
are set free.
At the end of each major section of the book of Romans, Paul's heart breaks
forth in a song of praise. At the end of Romans 8, after his long discourse
on the wonders of Christ and of his salvation, he offers a beautiful song of
praise to God that concludes with these words: "For I am convinced that
neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present,
nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created
thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ
Jesus our Lord" (8:38-39).
At the end of chapter 11, after going through his discussion about how the
gospel is for the Jew and Gentile alike in God's sovereign purposes in the
unfolding plan of salvation, Paul writes: "Oh, the depth of the riches both
of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and
unfathomable His ways! For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who became
His counselor? Or who has first given to Him that it might be paid back to
him again? For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be
the glory forever. Amen" (11:33-36).
At the end of chapter 16, after giving us wonderful instruction about how
the gospel is to impact our life and giving his final greetings to his
friends, he says, "Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my
gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the
mystery which has been kept secret for long ages past, but now is
manifested, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the
commandment of the eternal God, has been made known to all the nations,
leading to obedience of faith; to the only wise God, through Jesus Christ,
be the glory forever. Amen" (16:25-29).
The power of the gospel is that we can be made new, we can be made alive.
Remember those four categories of settling for less than what God offers?
What the gospel does is turn those things on their heads.
In the place of despair, the gospel offers hope. I will not be forever
caught in the bondage of frailty and sinfulness. I can be set free. There is
hope for new, eternal life and real victory.
In the place of fatalism, the gospel gives joy, a heart of praise and wonder
that God has done something amazing to set us free.
In the place of humanistic pride, the gospel brings peace. I do not have to
get up tomorrow morning and prove myself again. I don't have to accomplish
something so that someone will pat me on the back so I can justify my
existence. God reaches into the turmoil of that rat race and gives me peace.
I am truly loved, eternally welcome in the presence of God.
And finally, in the place of religious pride, there is freedom. I don't have
to worry whether I'm doing enough for God to make the grade, whether I've
put enough money in the plate, whether I need to go feed the poor this
afternoon, or come to church on Wednesday as well as Sunday. We are freed
from that kind of bondage. God's acceptance of us derives from what Jesus
Christ has done on our behalf. Through him we are set free to just be who
God created us to be, fully alive in him.
In the last message we saw that faith means having the perspective of God's
sovereignty. Added to that, we can now see that faith means trusting in the
gospel of Jesus Christ, the power of which break the bonds of our sinfulness
and sets us free to experience the freedom of life in him.
Scripture quotations are taken from New American Standard Bible, ã 1960,
1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995 The Lockman Foundation.
Used by permission.
Catalog No. 4672
Romans 1:16, 17; Galatians 3:10-14
2nd Message
Danny Hall
June 25, 2000
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31 May 2007 01:02:58 PM |
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On Wed, 30 May 2007 13:27:30 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Legally, YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED to own or operate firearms.
So you're BREAKING THE LAW if you have any.
And why am I calloused?
Did it register with you YET that I have never shot ANYBODY?
I'm PREPARED to!
So you ADMIT to illegally owning weapons? This should be forwarded to
the Seattle FBI.
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31 May 2007 08:20:43 PM |
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<NOspam@no.spam> wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 May 2007 13:27:30 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Legally, YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED to own or operate firearms.
So you're BREAKING THE LAW if you have any.
And why am I calloused?
Did it register with you YET that I have never shot ANYBODY?
I'm PREPARED to!
So you ADMIT to illegally owning weapons? This should be forwarded to
the Seattle FBI.
Seattle fire arms is officially aware of him.
One miss step and plonk.
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01 Jun 2007 11:39:02 AM |
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In article <465f7454$0$13735$882e0bbb@news.ThunderNews.com>, "Vernono O"
<Here @there> wrote:
<NOspam@no.spam> wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 May 2007 13:27:30 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Legally, YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED to own or operate firearms.
So you're BREAKING THE LAW if you have any.
And why am I calloused?
Did it register with you YET that I have never shot ANYBODY?
I'm PREPARED to!
So you ADMIT to illegally owning weapons? This should be forwarded to
the Seattle FBI.
Seattle fire arms is officially aware of him.
One miss step and plonk.
....the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed." Constitution for the United States of America.
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May God Bless You
Michael
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01 Jun 2007 02:42:38 PM |
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"Michael" <mikeburt@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:mikeburt-0106071239130001@192.168.1.104...
In article <465f7454$0$13735$882e0bbb@news.ThunderNews.com>, "Vernono O"
<Here @there> wrote:
<NOspam@no.spam> wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 May 2007 13:27:30 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Legally, YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED to own or operate firearms.
So you're BREAKING THE LAW if you have any.
And why am I calloused?
Did it register with you YET that I have never shot ANYBODY?
I'm PREPARED to!
So you ADMIT to illegally owning weapons? This should be forwarded to
the Seattle FBI.
Seattle fire arms is officially aware of him.
One miss step and plonk.
...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed." Constitution for the United States of America.
Many "rights" are limited for felons and other mentally unstable or
insufficient age.
It isn't carte banc.
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May God Bless You
Michael
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01 Jun 2007 01:35:45 PM |
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:39:02 GMT, (Michael)
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In article <465f7454$0$13735$882e0bbb@news.ThunderNews.com>, "Vernono O"
<Here @there> wrote:
<NOspam@no.spam> wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 May 2007 13:27:30 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Legally, YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED to own or operate firearms.
So you're BREAKING THE LAW if you have any.
And why am I calloused?
Did it register with you YET that I have never shot ANYBODY?
I'm PREPARED to!
So you ADMIT to illegally owning weapons? This should be forwarded to
the Seattle FBI.
Seattle fire arms is officially aware of him.
One miss step and plonk.
...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
infringed." Constitution for the United States of America.
Nevertheless, John W. is BY LAW forbidden to own or operate said
items, FOR GOOD REASON.
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01 Jun 2007 11:06:12 AM |
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On Thu, 31 May 2007 18:20:43 -0700, "Vernono O" <Here @there> wrote:
<NOspam@no.spam> wrote in message
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On Wed, 30 May 2007 13:27:30 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Legally, YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED to own or operate firearms.
So you're BREAKING THE LAW if you have any.
And why am I calloused?
Did it register with you YET that I have never shot ANYBODY?
I'm PREPARED to!
So you ADMIT to illegally owning weapons? This should be forwarded to
the Seattle FBI.
Seattle fire arms is officially aware of him.
One miss step and plonk.
That's GOOD to know, Vernon; thank you.
Obviously more than only a few from these groups has alerted the
Seattle FBI to liar-johnnie's misbehaviors.
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01 Jun 2007 02:40:54 PM |
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<NOspam@no.spam> wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 May 2007 18:20:43 -0700, "Vernono O" <Here @there> wrote:
<NOspam@no.spam> wrote in message
news:kc3u53dskkt1bacd1evcuonkqtkfka1dp8@4ax.com...
On Wed, 30 May 2007 13:27:30 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Legally, YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED to own or operate firearms.
So you're BREAKING THE LAW if you have any.
And why am I calloused?
Did it register with you YET that I have never shot ANYBODY?
I'm PREPARED to!
So you ADMIT to illegally owning weapons? This should be forwarded to
the Seattle FBI.
Seattle fire arms is officially aware of him.
One miss step and plonk.
That's GOOD to know, Vernon; thank you.
Obviously more than only a few from these groups has alerted the
Seattle FBI to liar-johnnie's misbehaviors.
I didn't alert them. A third party told me. As I said in another post,
even though I don't own a gun, I am involved in gun safety and insuring
that the criminals and nuts (the insane) don't keep the rest of us from
making constitutionally guaranteed choices.
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02 Jun 2007 12:58:03 PM |
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:40:54 -0700, "Vernono O" <Here @there> wrote:
<NOspam@no.spam> wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 May 2007 18:20:43 -0700, "Vernono O" <Here @there> wrote:
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On Wed, 30 May 2007 13:27:30 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
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Legally, YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED to own or operate firearms.
So you're BREAKING THE LAW if you have any.
And why am I calloused?
Did it register with you YET that I have never shot ANYBODY?
I'm PREPARED to!
So you ADMIT to illegally owning weapons? This should be forwarded to
the Seattle FBI.
Seattle fire arms is officially aware of him.
One miss step and plonk.
That's GOOD to know, Vernon; thank you.
Obviously more than only a few from these groups has alerted the
Seattle FBI to liar-johnnie's misbehaviors.
I didn't alert them. A third party told me. As I said in another post,
even though I don't own a gun, I am involved in gun safety and insuring
that the criminals and nuts (the insane) don't keep the rest of us from
making constitutionally guaranteed choices.
Well, whoever did, that's good.
The more who keep them alerted concerning trigger-happy liar-johnnie,
the better.
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john w <johnw wrote:
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On Tue, 29 May 2007 19:55:33 -0500, Rod <kc0oeb@cableone.net> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
larry4355@adelphia.net wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2007 17:03:17 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2007 16:22:42 -0400, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com>
wrote:
No. I have quite accurately characterized your statements and responded to
them showing the unreasonableness they contain. It's apparent you are unable
and/or unwilling to accept that fact.
No, you haven't. You advocate murder before disabling. Rod doesn't,
and I don't either. You're TRIGGER HAPPY.
I do not agree on him being trigger happy.
Now here is a couple questions for Rod and Elaine. Can you both
honestly say that you shot someone to wound them, that is all it will
do?
With 90% certainty. I no longer own handguns
That is your choice. Do not presume to make that choice for others!
but that doesn't mean
I'm so bad a shot that I have to kill the guy when a shot to the
leg or thigh will stop him.
???? What makes you think you're going to get 4-5 chances? What if
your first shot misses, and now that he knows you have a gun, he
shoots YOU 5 times?
Your "scenario" MAKES NO SENSE! You are making half-a-dozen unfair
ASSUMPTIONS, and DEMANDING that everyone else buy into them!
NO THANKS!
I'll make this easy for you larry; I'm not going to support allowing
callous people like Carl and Weatherly to own guns for much longer.
Oh! What do you plan to do about it?
And why am I calloused?
Did it register with you YET that I have never shot ANYBODY?
I'm PREPARED to!
Christ said "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Well,
it comes to my mind that if I don't want to be killed then I best not
be doing it.
You may interpret the Bible however you please. So why can't the
rest of us? Interpret as we please?
You are insane! You are a CONTROL FREAK!
YOU are NUTS Weatherly, a bona fide, dyed in wool fruitcake.
Carl and Weatherly don't like the idea of actually following Christ,
Kindly don't speak for me!
for them it's all about how good they look. Weatherly is a psychotic
Actually, that is libel, and it's a lie. You don't know my
diagnosis!
and Carl is a christian when it's convenient to his interests, and
right now his gun rights are being threatened.
And you are a "Christian" when you don't have someone to libel.
I've said countless times that I am not a Christian, and you
ARE nuts John. Stone cold crazy.............................
(make untruthful, damaging statements)
As for me, I'm not a christian in their sense, but I believe in Christ
and am trying to follow His example as closely as I am able.
As am I, as is Carl.
So why must we all do everything just like you?
Of course not, you're Christians...
And I
have not done it perfectly, but I haven't endorsed disregard for
anothers life as have they.
You assume too much!
You shouldn't prove it with your posts if you don't want it
known. I'll be glad to provide the examples !
I don't hate guns, I distrust many of the people that own them. My
wife owns a .44 cal smith and wesson with a 6 inch barrell and a 9
round clip. Elaine owns a gun. You don't see these people here
rallying behind callous disregard for life !
I won't speak for your wife, and I won't speak for Elaine.
Kindly stop speaking for me, and kindly stop speaking for Carl!
I'm not speaking for either of you, I'm replying to a madman.
Can you honestly say you know where the bullet will end up when it
enters the body or the intruder?
I'm not that bad of a shot that I have kill a man when wounding
him would stop him. If a person is that lousy a shot they shouldn't
have a gun.
I note that Larry asked you a valid question, and you refused to
answer.
The question he asked indicated to me that he had missed my point
entirely. I no longer had the energy left to argue a point with those
not willing to recognize it as a valid point. It's waste of effort
and not worth the stress that it causes.
Can you honestly say, it will not
cause the intruder to have a heart attack and die from that heart
attack?
Thats possible, but it's a far cry from killing a man because I'm not
a good enough shot to hit his leg, or because you think a home
invasion justifies a killing.
Under American law, it does.
Thats a far cry from a moral value in a judicial system that
orders the removal of the ten commandments from state or federal
properties. If the legal system were what it should be ther would
be justice for the poor instead of exhorbitant lawyer fees to obtain
a just decision. Even the poor would have access to justice.
Christian society isn't the best example of a just and moral society
that exists.
You asked us these questions, now I'm going to ask one of you. If you
were an intruder, would you want someone killing you for an intrusion
when holding a gun on them or a shot to the leg would stop you ? Is
this how you want to be treated ?
If I were to break into a home, I would know that the LAW allows
that homeowner to KILL me. That is the risk I take if I break into
someone's home.
You continue to seem more interested in the right of the criminal than
in your own right to your life if he breaks in and MURDERS you!
That is not rational!
This opinion doesn't surprise me at all. It's just another reason that
you shouldn't be allowed to own a gun.
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31 May 2007 02:43:35 AM |
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On Wed, 30 May 2007 20:22:43 -0500, Rod <kc0oeb@cableone.net> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
john w <johnw wrote:
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On Tue, 29 May 2007 19:55:33 -0500, Rod <kc0oeb@cableone.net> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
larry4355@adelphia.net wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2007 17:03:17 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 29 May 2007 16:22:42 -0400, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com>
wrote:
No. I have quite accurately characterized your statements and responded to
them showing the unreasonableness they contain. It's apparent you are unable
and/or unwilling to accept that fact.
No, you haven't. You advocate murder before disabling. Rod doesn't,
and I don't either. You're TRIGGER HAPPY.
I do not agree on him being trigger happy.
Now here is a couple questions for Rod and Elaine. Can you both
honestly say that you shot someone to wound them, that is all it will
do?
With 90% certainty. I no longer own handguns
That is your choice. Do not presume to make that choice for others!
but that doesn't mean
I'm so bad a shot that I have to kill the guy when a shot to the
leg or thigh will stop him.
???? What makes you think you're going to get 4-5 chances? What if
your first shot misses, and now that he knows you have a gun, he
shoots YOU 5 times?
Your "scenario" MAKES NO SENSE! You are making half-a-dozen unfair
ASSUMPTIONS, and DEMANDING that everyone else buy into them!
NO THANKS!
I'll make this easy for you larry; I'm not going to support allowing
callous people like Carl and Weatherly to own guns for much longer.
Oh! What do you plan to do about it?
And why am I calloused?
Did it register with you YET that I have never shot ANYBODY?
I'm PREPARED to!
Christ said "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Well,
it comes to my mind that if I don't want to be killed then I best not
be doing it.
You may interpret the Bible however you please. So why can't the
rest of us? Interpret as we please?
You are insane! You are a CONTROL FREAK!
YOU are NUTS Weatherly, a bona fide, dyed in wool fruitcake.
Forgive me if I don't take your word for that! I was thinking exactly
the same thing about you!
And I'm not trying to take your guns away from you!
Oh! Sorry! You're too big a ______ to own guns!
Carl and Weatherly don't like the idea of actually following Christ,
Kindly don't speak for me!
for them it's all about how good they look. Weatherly is a psychotic
Actually, that is libel, and it's a lie. You don't know my
diagnosis!
and Carl is a christian when it's convenient to his interests, and
right now his gun rights are being threatened.
And you are a "Christian" when you don't have someone to libel.
I've said countless times that I am not a Christian,
Pardon me! I have never read those words from you before!
So now I am very curious, just exactly WHY you hang out in a
Christian group.
Must be the fun of being disruptive!
and you
ARE nuts John. Stone cold crazy.............................
AGAIN, I am happy with my diagnosis.
Have YOU been diagnosed yet?
(make untruthful, damaging statements)
As for me, I'm not a christian in their sense, but I believe in Christ
and am trying to follow His example as closely as I am able.
As am I, as is Carl.
So why must we all do everything just like you?
Of course not, you're Christians...
One of the reasons I became a Christian is that God allows for
individuality!
john w
And I
have not done it perfectly, but I haven't endorsed disregard for
anothers life as have they.
You assume too much!
You shouldn't prove it with your posts if you don't want it
known. I'll be glad to provide the examples !
I don't hate guns, I distrust many of the people that own them. My
wife owns a .44 cal smith and wesson with a 6 inch barrell and a 9
round clip. Elaine owns a gun. You don't see these people here
rallying behind callous disregard for life !
I won't speak for your wife, and I won't speak for Elaine.
Kindly stop speaking for me, and kindly stop speaking for Carl!
I'm not speaking for either of you, I'm replying to a madman.
Can you honestly say you know where the bullet will end up when it
enters the body or the intruder?
I'm not that bad of a shot that I have kill a man when wounding
him would stop him. If a person is that lousy a shot they shouldn't
have a gun.
I note that Larry asked you a valid question, and you refused to
answer.
The question he asked indicated to me that he had missed my point
entirely. I no longer had the energy left to argue a point with those
not willing to recognize it as a valid point. It's waste of effort
and not worth the stress that it causes.
Can you honestly say, it will not
cause the intruder to have a heart attack and die from that heart
attack?
Thats possible, but it's a far cry from killing a man because I'm not
a good enough shot to hit his leg, or because you think a home
invasion justifies a killing.
Under American law, it does.
Thats a far cry from a moral value in a judicial system that
orders the removal of the ten commandments from state or federal
properties. If the legal system were what it should be ther would
be justice for the poor instead of exhorbitant lawyer fees to obtain
a just decision. Even the poor would have access to justice.
Christian society isn't the best example of a just and moral society
that exists.
You asked us these questions, now I'm going to ask one of you. If you
were an intruder, would you want someone killing you for an intrusion
when holding a gun on them or a shot to the leg would stop you ? Is
this how you want to be treated ?
If I were to break into a home, I would know that the LAW allows
that homeowner to KILL me. That is the risk I take if I break into
someone's home.
You continue to seem more interested in the right of the criminal than
in your own right to your life if he breaks in and MURDERS you!
That is not rational!
This opinion doesn't surprise me at all. It's just another reason that
you shouldn't be allowed to own a gun.
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31 May 2007 01:09:20 PM |
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On Thu, 31 May 2007 00:43:35 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
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And I'm not trying to take your guns away from you!
You couldn't anyway, coward-boi.
And besides, you're not allowed BY LAW to own any.
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30 May 2007 08:46:59 PM |
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On Tue, 29 May 2007 17:03:17 -0400, wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
On Tue, 29 May 2007 16:22:42 -0400, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com>
wrote:
No. I have quite accurately characterized your statements and responded to
them showing the unreasonableness they contain. It's apparent you are unable
and/or unwilling to accept that fact.
No, you haven't. You advocate murder before disabling. Rod doesn't,
and I don't either. You're TRIGGER HAPPY.
The point was made, Stupid Person, that you don't know how many
bullets you'll have to fire to "disable" someone.
And while you're theoretically trying to "disable someone" the person
you're trying to DISABLE is trying to KILL you!
You may need 5 shots to "disable him". He likely will only need ONE
shot to KILL you!
So, I wonder, how many times you've pulled your gun and DISABLED
someone.
I'm betting it's all a theory planted firmly in YOUR OTHER BRAIN.
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29 May 2007 08:19:53 AM |
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On Mon, 28 May 2007 22:31:33 -0500, Rod <kc0oeb@cableone.net> wrote:
Carl wrote:
"Rod" <kc0oeb@cableone.net> wrote in message
news:135n3oqm6ldfj95@corp.supernews.com...
Carl wrote:
<NOspam@no.spam> wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 May 2007 05:34:14 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Even law enforcement will tell you, "don't worry yourself with where
to hit a perpetrator, and don't worry about "now, where can I best
place just ONE bullet?"
Another lie. No police officer recommends shooting, except as a LAST
RESORT.
And you know all police officers say this without exception??? LOL!!!
What an erroneous overgeneralization you make.
So, to disprove your claim that "No police officer recommends shooting,
except as a LAST RESORT" only one police officer has to be shown to say
otherwise. Care to reword your statement?
Yea, I care to take your challenge, just as soon as you provide
scripture of Christ saying that it is okay.
I didn't offer a challenge. You seem to be imagining things. I pointed out
the clear fallacy of your statement based upon its wording and then offered
you the opportunity to change it. You chose not to. So basically your
statement becomes moot because it's based upon a faulty premise.
Walk the walk or shut the hell up, Carl !
LOL! You're quite amusing Rod. You've already made it readily apparent you
only accept portions of the Bible and not the whole Bible so already you've
lost the argument by putting unreasonable and unintelligent restrictions.
This shows that you aren't willing nor able to discuss this. You have taken
a rather naive and foolish stance (this "shoot to wound" nonsense) to an
extreme with no regards to fact and reality.
I believe it's time for you and I to part ways. You have
mischaracterized my statements. No reasonable or civil
discussion will ever take place under those conditions.
Goodbye Carl.
Rod and Carl,
You guys do realize that Steve is experiencing multiple orgasims
reading these trinity posts which he motivated. Think about it.
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29 May 2007 03:24:06 PM |
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"Bible Bob" <biblebob@saintly.com> wrote in message
news:81ao53dqgdrussq8ls02ckulpm0rlv86s5@4ax.com...
You guys do realize that Steve is experiencing multiple orgasims
reading these trinity posts which he motivated. Think about it.
I really couldn't care less what Steve Winter thinks. I gave up on that
years ago. I just refute his heresies and move on. Sometimes I take the time
to remind him of how and where he errs but mainly for other readers.
May God bless,
Carl
website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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29 May 2007 09:51:34 PM |
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Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
Rod and Carl,
You guys do realize that Steve is experiencing multiple
What a profane and obscene scum this Robert Sowle is! Of course
he is attracted to Satanic scum like Carl Mccaskey and Rod
Eastman.
Robert Sowle again reveals more about himself by his comments.
Robert Sowle is the scum who has shared with us his sexual lust
for little children. Robert Sowle has revealed many personal
things about himself during the course of his malicious false
accusations including his lust for little children.
So far the filthy devil scum Robert Sowle has shared with us that
he thinks everyone would find child porn enjoyable!
Robert Sowle also shared with us how he had to go check his
computer to make sure it didn't have any child porn on it (when
he was accused by the sick nut Wolf).
Let's revisit some of Robert Sowle telling us about himself and
his secret (well not so secret now) lust for children:
Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
How does looking at naked little girls and
boys make you feel? Good, I bet.
[[ End of quote from Robert Sowle ]]
Robert Sowle reveals much here about his sexual lust for
children!
Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
because I know just like
everyone else knows that child molesters enjoy what they do.
[[ End of quote from Robert Sowle ]]
How does Robert Sowle know so much about what child molesters
enjoy? Why would Robert Sowle believe that everyone would take
something like that for granted? Robert Sowle reveals much about
his sexual lust for children, eh?
REMEMBER, this low life scum Robert Sowle has repeatedly stated
that he "works with children"!
Is Robert Sowle to be trusted around children? Are parents in
Charlotte, NC still trusting Robert Sowle around their children?
Pastor Winter
--
Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
http://tinyurl.com/mxu7o for trinity is antichrist sermon
"That's factual; but not true."- deceiver Robert Sowle 2007
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29 May 2007 09:50:29 PM |
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Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
Rod and Carl,
You guys do realize that Steve is experiencing multiple
What a profane and obscene scum this Robert Sowle is! Of course
he is attracted to Satanic scum like Carl Mccaskey and Rod
Eastman.
Robert Sowle is the scum who has shared with us his sexual lust
for little children. Robert Sowle has revealed many personal
things about himself during the course of his malicious false
accusations including his lust for little children.
So far the filthy devil scum Robert Sowle has shared with us that
he thinks everyone would find child porn enjoyable!
Robert Sowle also shared with us how he had to go check his
computer to make sure it didn't have any child porn on it (when
he was accused by the sick nut Wolf).
Let's revisit some of Robert Sowle telling us about himself and
his secret (well not so secret now) lust for children:
Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
How does looking at naked little girls and
boys make you feel? Good, I bet.
[[ End of quote from Robert Sowle ]]
Robert Sowle reveals much here about his sexual lust for
children!
Bible Bob <biblebob@saintly.com> spake thusly and wrote:
because I know just like
everyone else knows that child molesters enjoy what they do.
[[ End of quote from Robert Sowle ]]
How does Robert Sowle know so much about what child molesters
enjoy? Why would Robert Sowle believe that everyone would take
something like that for granted? Robert Sowle reveals much about
his sexual lust for children, eh?
REMEMBER, this low life scum Robert Sowle has repeatedly stated
that he "works with children"!
Is Robert Sowle to be trusted around children? Are parents in
Charlotte, NC still trusting Robert Sowle around their children?
Pastor Winter
--
Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
http://tinyurl.com/mxu7o for trinity is antichrist sermon
"That's factual; but not true."- deceiver Robert Sowle 2007
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29 May 2007 09:26:07 AM |
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Bible Bob wrote:
On Mon, 28 May 2007 22:31:33 -0500, Rod <kc0oeb@cableone.net> wrote:
Carl wrote:
"Rod" <kc0oeb@cableone.net> wrote in message
news:135n3oqm6ldfj95@corp.supernews.com...
Carl wrote:
<NOspam@no.spam> wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 May 2007 05:34:14 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Even law enforcement will tell you, "don't worry yourself with where
to hit a perpetrator, and don't worry about "now, where can I best
place just ONE bullet?"
Another lie. No police officer recommends shooting, except as a LAST
RESORT.
And you know all police officers say this without exception??? LOL!!!
What an erroneous overgeneralization you make.
So, to disprove your claim that "No police officer recommends shooting,
except as a LAST RESORT" only one police officer has to be shown to say
otherwise. Care to reword your statement?
Yea, I care to take your challenge, just as soon as you provide
scripture of Christ saying that it is okay.
I didn't offer a challenge. You seem to be imagining things. I pointed out
the clear fallacy of your statement based upon its wording and then offered
you the opportunity to change it. You chose not to. So basically your
statement becomes moot because it's based upon a faulty premise.
Walk the walk or shut the hell up, Carl !
LOL! You're quite amusing Rod. You've already made it readily apparent you
only accept portions of the Bible and not the whole Bible so already you've
lost the argument by putting unreasonable and unintelligent restrictions.
This shows that you aren't willing nor able to discuss this. You have taken
a rather naive and foolish stance (this "shoot to wound" nonsense) to an
extreme with no regards to fact and reality.
I believe it's time for you and I to part ways. You have
mischaracterized my statements. No reasonable or civil
discussion will ever take place under those conditions.
Goodbye Carl.
Rod and Carl,
You guys do realize that Steve is experiencing multiple orgasims
reading these trinity posts which he motivated. Think about it.
Yea, he's probably got bubba trapped in a corner
in his 8 x 12 cell.
--
Gal 6:7 Be not tricked; God is not made sport of: for whatever seed a
man puts in, that will he get back as grain.
Gal 6:8 Because he who puts in the seed of the flesh will of the flesh
get the reward of death; but he who puts in the seed of the Spirit will
of the Spirit get the reward of eternal life.
Gal 6:9 And let us not get tired of well-doing; for at the right time
we will get in the grain, if we do not give way to weariness.
Gal 6:10 So then, as we have the chance, let us do good to all men, and
specially to those who are of the family of the faith.
1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father,
the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1John 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit,
and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
1John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is
greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in
himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he
believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
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unless you are flaming the bible on purpose and don't really
care....... you will continue to call yourself bible bob. this is
a sport for you. you don't care about the bible nor christianity,
it's all about bob.
the lack of moral leadership in christianity today is major, from the
president on down, we have a lapse of morality into this pit of
disgusting yet typical statements from the typically saved among us.
thank god we have at least one example of love inthis world.....
jesus.
merlin
You can only send to a maximum of 5 groups.
alt.bible, alt.religion.christian, alt.religion.christian.baptist,
alt.religion.christian.methodist, alt.christnet,
alt.religion.christian.pentecostal, free.christians
On May 29, 9:19 am, Bible Bob <bible...@saintly.com> wrote:
Rod and Carl,
You guys do realize that Steve is experiencing multiple orgasims
reading these trinity posts which he motivated. Think about it.
cause you obviously have not thought about your own words........ and
all this while spoofing the bible, bible bob?
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29 May 2007 10:47:12 AM |
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On Mon, 28 May 2007 22:50:34 -0400, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com>
wrote:
It's apparent you really have no desire to discuss this rationally,
reasonably, civilly nor intelligently so I bid you farewell as well. I will
pray for you.
You might also consider praying that you're not up for murder or
manslaughter charges in the future, while you're at it.
You sound TOO DANGEROUS to be permitted a weapon, as it is obvious
you are trigger happy.
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29 May 2007 06:56:28 PM |
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On Mon, 28 May 2007 21:25:59 -0500, Rod <kc0oeb@cableone.net> wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
Carl wrote:
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On Mon, 28 May 2007 05:34:14 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
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Even law enforcement will tell you, "don't worry yourself with where
to hit a perpetrator, and don't worry about "now, where can I best
place just ONE bullet?"
Another lie. No police officer recommends shooting, except as a LAST
RESORT.
And you know all police officers say this without exception??? LOL!!! What
an erroneous overgeneralization you make.
So, to disprove your claim that "No police officer recommends shooting,
except as a LAST RESORT" only one police officer has to be shown to say
otherwise. Care to reword your statement?
Yea, I care to take your challenge, just as soon as you provide
And I keep asking YOU, Rod, where you come up with the authority to
tell others what to believe?
john w
scripture of Christ saying that it is okay.
Walk the walk or shut the hell up, Carl !
I'm going to squeeze off 3 - 4 rounds before I even stop firing.
Then you'd be charged with murder.
And your qualifications as an expert in the laws of all 50 states are...?
Feel free to go to http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefenseblog/blogger.html
and read the numerous examples of people successfully defending themselves
with firearms (with the intruders, perps, etc. getting severely injured,
even killed) and no charges brought against the person or persons defending
themselves or it being ruled as "justifiable homicide" (when you get a
chance, you might want to look up "justifiable homicide" in your legal books
since you imply you know so much about the law in all 50 states).
Your statements on this are ignorant, naive yet amusing as well.
May God bless,
Carl
website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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| Title: Re: The crock of crap Of Faith |
30 May 2007 12:14:29 PM |
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On Tue, 29 May 2007 16:56:28 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
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And I keep asking YOU, Rod, where you come up with the authority to
tell others what to believe?
Where do you, liar-johnnie?
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| Title: Re: The crock of crap Of Faith |
29 May 2007 10:43:30 AM |
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On Mon, 28 May 2007 22:03:38 -0400, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com>
wrote:
<NOspam@no.spam> wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 May 2007 05:34:14 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Even law enforcement will tell you, "don't worry yourself with where
to hit a perpetrator, and don't worry about "now, where can I best
place just ONE bullet?"
Another lie. No police officer recommends shooting, except as a LAST
RESORT.
And you know all police officers say this without exception??? LOL!!! What
an erroneous overgeneralization you make.
So, to disprove your claim that "No police officer recommends shooting,
except as a LAST RESORT" only one police officer has to be shown to say
otherwise. Care to reword your statement?
No. I stand behind it, and won't alter the wording simply to make you
feel better.
FACTS are facts.
I'm going to squeeze off 3 - 4 rounds before I even stop firing.
Then you'd be charged with murder.
And your qualifications as an expert in the laws of all 50 states are...?
Feel free to go to http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefenseblog/blogger.html
and read the numerous examples of people successfully defending themselves
with firearms (with the intruders, perps, etc. getting severely injured,
even killed) and no charges brought against the person or persons defending
themselves or it being ruled as "justifiable homicide" (when you get a
chance, you might want to look up "justifiable homicide" in your legal books
since you imply you know so much about the law in all 50 states).
I implied nothing.
Your statements on this are ignorant, naive yet amusing as well.
Thank you, and likewise.
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| Title: Re: The crock of crap Of Faith |
29 May 2007 06:38:04 PM |
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On Tue, 29 May 2007 11:43:30 -0400, wrote:
© 2007 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
On Mon, 28 May 2007 22:03:38 -0400, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com>
wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:q06m53p7kp29p0mr34tgfuv2cmrqgcjvd0@4ax.com...
On Mon, 28 May 2007 05:34:14 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Even law enforcement will tell you, "don't worry yourself with where
to hit a perpetrator, and don't worry about "now, where can I best
place just ONE bullet?"
Another lie. No police officer recommends shooting, except as a LAST
RESORT.
And you know all police officers say this without exception??? LOL!!! What
an erroneous overgeneralization you make.
So, to disprove your claim that "No police officer recommends shooting,
except as a LAST RESORT" only one police officer has to be shown to say
otherwise. Care to reword your statement?
No. I stand behind it, and won't alter the wording simply to make you
feel better.
FACTS are facts.
The FACT that you so easily OVERLOOK is that you can't speak for all
police officers until you have personally spoken to all police
officers.
In the meantime, you simply make yourself look increasingly idiotic.
john w
I'm going to squeeze off 3 - 4 rounds before I even stop firing.
Then you'd be charged with murder.
And your qualifications as an expert in the laws of all 50 states are...?
Feel free to go to http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefenseblog/blogger.html
and read the numerous examples of people successfully defending themselves
with firearms (with the intruders, perps, etc. getting severely injured,
even killed) and no charges brought against the person or persons defending
themselves or it being ruled as "justifiable homicide" (when you get a
chance, you might want to look up "justifiable homicide" in your legal books
since you imply you know so much about the law in all 50 states).
I implied nothing.
Your statements on this are ignorant, naive yet amusing as well.
Thank you, and likewise.
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| Title: Re: The crock of crap Of Faith |
30 May 2007 12:12:14 PM |
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On Tue, 29 May 2007 16:38:04 -0700, john w <johnw<no>@yahoo.com>
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The FACT that you so easily OVERLOOK is that you can't speak for all
police officers until you have personally spoken to all police
officers.
Neither can you, old man. And furthermore, I never said I did.
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| Title: Re: The crock of crap the right to kill. |
31 May 2007 01:27:02 PM |
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"Pastor Steve Winter" <steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote in message
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Rod <kc0oeb@cableone.net> spake thusly and wrote:
Steve Winter has a history of
I have a history of reporting crime to law enforcement.
Folks, Steve Winter has a long history of claiming to file police reports
which turn out to be false. Which makes me wonder, if he truly has been
filing so many police reports, all of which prove to be false and frivilous,
why hasn't Steve Winter been arrested for filing false statements. Because
if he hasn't then it's probably because he really hasn't filed as many
reports as he claims. Either way, it makes him a prevaricator
extraordinaire.
May God bless,
Carl
website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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| User: "Pastor Steve Winter" |
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| Title: Re: The crock of crap the right to kill. |
31 May 2007 11:49:04 PM |
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"Carl" <> spake thusly and wrote:
Folks, Steve Winter has a long history of claiming to file police reports
which turn out to be false.
Carl Mccaskey really is a low down, Satanic, false-christian
liar. Here is some documentation of criminal activity by Carl
Mccaskey of Tallahassee, Florida
Some samples of the criminal complaints that I have filed against
Carl Mccaskey include: Durham police IRs 98-26609, 99-13333,
99-82433, 00-27821, and 00-34780
The following is from an old website. I still have the legal
documents that the file names refer to. The IR records that I
reference are part of the public record. Carl Mccaskey is a
sick, obsessed, false-christian liar when he denies his history!
Criminal complaint filed against Carl Mccaskey 4/9/98
nettlogs.txt This file consists of various logs of IRC harassment
by Carl Mccaskey which led to a criminal complaint being filed
with the Durham Police Dept [IR 98-26609] 4/9/98 against Mr.
Mccaskey with Nettally being listed as an accessory.
This file also contains an email from an admin at Nettally.com
stating his intent to support Mr. Mccaskey's IRC harassment and
his reluctance to do anything about his email harassment
fcas0604.txt This is a 6/4/98 FAX that was sent to the FBI and
Durham police regarding another harassing email believed to be
from Carl Mccaskey. This file will have various information
replaced with the * and the content of the email will not be
published here but was included in the original FAX.
This email was confirmed to have originated at nettally.com
per0611.txt This is the text of a 6/11/98 FAX that I sent to the
police and the FBI regarding an email that I received from one of
the trash at Net Tally who has been supporting Carl Mccaskey in
his harassment campaigns. The harassing email, fcas0604.txt, that
he deceitfully referred to in his email was traced to nettally by
the admins of the web/email site that was abused. Mr. Perrine has
now been given notice not to email here again and his email was
forwarded to abuse@cntfl.com.
mca0712.txt This is the content of a 7/12/98 FAX to the FBI and
the police etc. which was also emailed to Sprint and CNTFL abuse
depts. regarding the ongoing malicious harassment from Nettally
and Carl Mccaskey.
mca0713.txt This is the text of my 7/13/98 FAX to the police and
the FBI which contained an email sent to sprint and cntfl
regarding the ongoing harassment by wire from nettally. This is a
continuation of Durham police [IR 98-26609] 4/9/98 and many other
criminal complaints.
mca0713c.txt This is the text of my second 7/13/98 FAX to the
police and the FBI which contained an email sent to sprint and
cntfl regarding the ongoing harassment by wire from nettally.
This is a continuation of Durham police [IR 98-26609] 4/9/98 and
many other criminal complaints.
mca0925.txt This is the 9/25/98 log of another harassment by wire
incident by Carl Mccaskey. The low life trash running
nettally.com are knowingly supportive of Mr. Mccaskey's
harassment campaign
mca1217.txt This is the text of a 12/17/98 complaint emailed to
cntfl regarding additional IRC harassment from nettally.com. I am
deleting the content of the chat so as not to republish
Mccaskey's ramblings.
mca1217a.txt This is the text of an additional 12/17/98 complaint
emailed to cntfl regarding additional IRC harassment from
nettally.com. I am deleting the content of the chat so as not to
republish Mccaskey's ramblings.
mca1218.txt This is the text of an additional 12/18/98 complaint
emailed to cntfl regarding additional IRC harassment from
nettally.com. I am deleting the content of the chat so as not to
republish Mccaskey's ramblings.
mca1218.txt This is the text of a 2/21/99 complaint emailed to
cntfl.com and undernet.org containing the content of my written
statement to the Durham, NC police reported as Durham Police IR
99-13333 regarding this most recent denial of service attack from
nettally.com. I named Carl Mccaskey of Tallahassee, FL as the
suspect.. There were undernet IRCOPs aware of this incident as
well.
12/08/99 Durham, NC Police IR99-82433 Electronic Computer
Harassment complaint filed against Carl Mccaskey with one Mr.
Perrine named as an accessory.
8/08/2000 Durham, NC Police IR2000-27821 Electronic Computer
Stalking/Harassment complaint filed against Carl Mccaskey of
Tallahassee, FL. I provided the police with several IRC logs of
recent contacts as evidence.
10/03/2000 Durham, NC Police IR00-34780 Electronic Computer
Stalking/Harassment complaint filed against Carl Mccaskey of
Tallahassee, FL. I provided the police with IRC logs as evidence
Pastor Steve Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
http://tinyurl.com/mxu7o for trinity is antichrist sermon
"That's factual; but not true."- deceiver Robert Sowle 2007
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| Title: Re: The crock of crap the right to kill. |
01 Jun 2007 10:36:45 AM |
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"Pastor Steve Winter" <steve-.NO--SPAM@-prime.org> wrote in message
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"Carl" < > spake thusly and wrote:
Folks, Steve Winter has a long history of claiming to file police reports
which turn out to be false.
Carl Mccaskey really is a low down, Satanic, false-christian
liar. Here is some documentation of criminal activity by Carl
Mccaskey of Tallahassee, Florida
And still Steve Winter has documented NO criminal activity committed by
myself. It's his usual falsehoods and libel he routinely engages in. No law
enforcement agency, court or even rational individual has accepted Steve
Winter's accusations of criminal activity.
May God bless,
Carl
website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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