Religions > Bible > The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and Suffering in the World?
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The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and Suffering in the World? |
The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and Suffering in the World?
Guest: Dr. Norman Geisler
Description:
- If God exists, why is there evil in the world?
- What is evil?
- Where did evil come from?
- Why doesn't God intervene and stop all evil?
- Why does God allow the innocent to suffer?
- How can physical evils such as earthquakes, tornadoes and cancer be explained?
- Could God have made a better world than the one we live in?
- Is there a good reason for the existence of hell on which even some atheists would agree?
- What about those who have never heard the Gospel?
Video Series - Media Player [384 kbps] ~2.5 hours
http://207.234.208.119/bibleweb.info/=DRIVE=bibleweb-drive/_-_/=CD-R=why-evil-and-suffering/index.html
- Blessings, -- Melchizedek
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| User: "James" |
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| Title: Re: The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and Suffering in the World? |
08 Jul 2006 05:34:15 PM |
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"Melchizedek" <Melchizedek@as-if.com>
Re: The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and Suffering in the World?
The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and Suffering in the World?
<snip>
Hello,
There are several very good reasons, although the recipients of the
"evil" and "suffering" may find it hard to understand.
God permits those things to occur at this time because of an extremely
important issue raised back in Eden. God originally created man and
put him in a beautiful garden-like place that had all kinds of
delicious foods. (Ge 2:15,16) God also created man to live forever on
the earth, IF he continually obeyed. (Ge 2:17) Disobedience was the
only condition that would bring death and end his eternal existence on
this earth.
When God created the earth and man, all His other living intelligent
beings, the angels, saw what He did. They observed the situation that
occurred in Eden. A rebellious angel, Satan (cowardly hiding behind a
serpent), talked to Eve and told her that God had lied and that doing
things her way could prove beneficial to her; that Eve would do better
if she decided for herself what was right and wrong. (Ge 3:3,4)
Eve took the bate, fell for it and disobeyed, and Adam later joined
her. Right then and there they rejected God and His perfect guidance,
and instead went with their own.
If God would have destroyed the rebels right then, all the other
intelligent beings that God created would never know if Satan was
right. (also none of us would be here today since we are all direct
descendants of Adam and Eve) Thus throughout all eternity there would
be doubts if God's ways are really the best ways. And intelligent
creatures at times, no doubt would forever challenge God's ways. So
much for endless peace and harmony.
God, in His wisdom and in His mercy, permitted the challenge to His
sovereignty to continue, to prove that only His ways are correct. So,
God had to settle the issue. But such an issue would take time so
Satan could not claim that God didn't let enough time elapse to prove
Satan's case. Or if God stepped in before every 'natural disaster'
(see Job below) or evil human action, Satan could claim that God is
not allowing humans to take care of such things. So at the present God
is letting humans 'run the show'. That means that the whole world is
basically ran by Satan. Joh 12:31,
"Now is the judgment of this world, now shall the ruler of this world
be cast out;" (RSV)
The first human couple listened to that liar, and disobeyed God. As
God said would happen, it brought on death. But in order for a perfect
body to die without any outside help, it has to become imperfect. And
since Adam and Eve were mercifully permitted to have offspring, (as
said before, if He destroyed them right in the beginning, none of us
would be here today) we also inherited that imperfection.
Later, Satan again challenged God saying that humans would not serve
God if faced with adversity of any kind. (see Job 1:9-12; 2:4,5)
Satan has been proven to be the liar that he is. Mankind has
demonstrated over the centuries that he cannot govern himself with
complete success. Mankind is even 'destroying the earth'. (Re 11:18)
Man must follow God's guidance in order to succeed in all things. As a
prophet put it at Jer 10:23,
"I know, O LORD, that a man's life is not his own; it is not for man
to direct his steps." (NIV)
Also, certain ones of mankind have also proven Satan to be a liar,
since they have faithfully served God despite the adverse conditions
they were under.
Since the challenge to God's sovereignty is reaching its climax, soon
all the pain and suffering will cease. Never again will such things be
permitted to happen. God promises this at Re 21:3,4,
"And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of
God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people,
and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 He will wipe
every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or
crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."" (NIV)
Sincerely, James
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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| Title: Re: The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and Suffering in the World? |
08 Jul 2006 06:05:40 PM |
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"James" <bireda@allvantage.com> wrote in message
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"Melchizedek" <Melchizedek@as-if.com>
Re: The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and Suffering in the
World?
The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and Suffering in the World?
<snip>
Hello,
There are several very good reasons, although the recipients of the
"evil" and "suffering" may find it hard to understand.
God permits those things to occur at this time because of an extremely
important issue raised back in Eden. God originally created man and
put him in a beautiful garden-like place that had all kinds of
delicious foods. (Ge 2:15,16) God also created man to live forever on
the earth, IF he continually obeyed. (Ge 2:17) Disobedience was the
only condition that would bring death and end his eternal existence on
this earth.
When God created the earth and man, all His other living intelligent
beings, the angels, saw what He did. They observed the situation that
occurred in Eden. A rebellious angel, Satan (cowardly hiding behind a
serpent), talked to Eve and told her that God had lied and that doing
things her way could prove beneficial to her; that Eve would do better
if she decided for herself what was right and wrong. (Ge 3:3,4)
Eve took the bate, fell for it and disobeyed, and Adam later joined
her. Right then and there they rejected God and His perfect guidance,
and instead went with their own.
If God would have destroyed the rebels right then, all the other
intelligent beings that God created would never know if Satan was
right. (also none of us would be here today since we are all direct
descendants of Adam and Eve) Thus throughout all eternity there would
be doubts if God's ways are really the best ways. And intelligent
creatures at times, no doubt would forever challenge God's ways. So
much for endless peace and harmony.
God, in His wisdom and in His mercy, permitted the challenge to His
sovereignty to continue, to prove that only His ways are correct. So,
God had to settle the issue. But such an issue would take time so
Satan could not claim that God didn't let enough time elapse to prove
Satan's case. Or if God stepped in before every 'natural disaster'
(see Job below) or evil human action, Satan could claim that God is
not allowing humans to take care of such things. So at the present God
is letting humans 'run the show'. That means that the whole world is
basically ran by Satan. Joh 12:31,
"Now is the judgment of this world, now shall the ruler of this world
be cast out;" (RSV)
The first human couple listened to that liar, and disobeyed God. As
God said would happen, it brought on death. But in order for a perfect
body to die without any outside help, it has to become imperfect. And
since Adam and Eve were mercifully permitted to have offspring, (as
said before, if He destroyed them right in the beginning, none of us
would be here today) we also inherited that imperfection.
yes the loving, caring christian god damned all mankind to hell for all
eternity because eve committed the ultimate crime of eating some fruit from
a tree
why does god's tree mean more to him than his human creations?
the christian god certainly is a COLD-HEARTED *****
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| User: "dennis" |
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08 Jul 2006 09:00:36 PM |
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SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:
"James" <bireda@allvantage.com> wrote in message
news:t7c0b2pae18rs6ttape6bc5d02elpgh2f8@4ax.com...
"Melchizedek" <Melchizedek@as-if.com>
Re: The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and Suffering in the
World?
The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and Suffering in the World?
<snip>
Hello,
There are several very good reasons, although the recipients of the
"evil" and "suffering" may find it hard to understand.
God permits those things to occur at this time because of an extremely
important issue raised back in Eden. God originally created man and
put him in a beautiful garden-like place that had all kinds of
delicious foods. (Ge 2:15,16) God also created man to live forever on
the earth, IF he continually obeyed. (Ge 2:17) Disobedience was the
only condition that would bring death and end his eternal existence on
this earth.
When God created the earth and man, all His other living intelligent
beings, the angels, saw what He did. They observed the situation that
occurred in Eden. A rebellious angel, Satan (cowardly hiding behind a
serpent), talked to Eve and told her that God had lied and that doing
things her way could prove beneficial to her; that Eve would do better
if she decided for herself what was right and wrong. (Ge 3:3,4)
Eve took the bate, fell for it and disobeyed, and Adam later joined
her. Right then and there they rejected God and His perfect guidance,
and instead went with their own.
If God would have destroyed the rebels right then, all the other
intelligent beings that God created would never know if Satan was
right. (also none of us would be here today since we are all direct
descendants of Adam and Eve) Thus throughout all eternity there would
be doubts if God's ways are really the best ways. And intelligent
creatures at times, no doubt would forever challenge God's ways. So
much for endless peace and harmony.
God, in His wisdom and in His mercy, permitted the challenge to His
sovereignty to continue, to prove that only His ways are correct. So,
God had to settle the issue. But such an issue would take time so
Satan could not claim that God didn't let enough time elapse to prove
Satan's case. Or if God stepped in before every 'natural disaster'
(see Job below) or evil human action, Satan could claim that God is
not allowing humans to take care of such things. So at the present God
is letting humans 'run the show'. That means that the whole world is
basically ran by Satan. Joh 12:31,
"Now is the judgment of this world, now shall the ruler of this world
be cast out;" (RSV)
The first human couple listened to that liar, and disobeyed God. As
God said would happen, it brought on death. But in order for a perfect
body to die without any outside help, it has to become imperfect. And
since Adam and Eve were mercifully permitted to have offspring, (as
said before, if He destroyed them right in the beginning, none of us
would be here today) we also inherited that imperfection.
yes the loving, caring christian god damned all mankind to hell for all
eternity because eve committed the ultimate crime of eating some fruit from
a tree
why does god's tree mean more to him than his human creations?
the christian god certainly is a COLD-HEARTED *****
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and Suffering in the World? |
08 Jul 2006 09:11:34 PM |
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"dennis" <dennis@dbrown5.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1152410436.651629.324810@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:
"James" <bireda@allvantage.com> wrote in message
news:t7c0b2pae18rs6ttape6bc5d02elpgh2f8@4ax.com...
"Melchizedek" <Melchizedek@as-if.com>
Re: The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and Suffering in the
World?
The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and Suffering in the
World?
<snip>
Hello,
There are several very good reasons, although the recipients of the
"evil" and "suffering" may find it hard to understand.
God permits those things to occur at this time because of an extremely
important issue raised back in Eden. God originally created man and
put him in a beautiful garden-like place that had all kinds of
delicious foods. (Ge 2:15,16) God also created man to live forever on
the earth, IF he continually obeyed. (Ge 2:17) Disobedience was the
only condition that would bring death and end his eternal existence on
this earth.
When God created the earth and man, all His other living intelligent
beings, the angels, saw what He did. They observed the situation that
occurred in Eden. A rebellious angel, Satan (cowardly hiding behind a
serpent), talked to Eve and told her that God had lied and that doing
things her way could prove beneficial to her; that Eve would do better
if she decided for herself what was right and wrong. (Ge 3:3,4)
Eve took the bate, fell for it and disobeyed, and Adam later joined
her. Right then and there they rejected God and His perfect guidance,
and instead went with their own.
If God would have destroyed the rebels right then, all the other
intelligent beings that God created would never know if Satan was
right. (also none of us would be here today since we are all direct
descendants of Adam and Eve) Thus throughout all eternity there would
be doubts if God's ways are really the best ways. And intelligent
creatures at times, no doubt would forever challenge God's ways. So
much for endless peace and harmony.
God, in His wisdom and in His mercy, permitted the challenge to His
sovereignty to continue, to prove that only His ways are correct. So,
God had to settle the issue. But such an issue would take time so
Satan could not claim that God didn't let enough time elapse to prove
Satan's case. Or if God stepped in before every 'natural disaster'
(see Job below) or evil human action, Satan could claim that God is
not allowing humans to take care of such things. So at the present God
is letting humans 'run the show'. That means that the whole world is
basically ran by Satan. Joh 12:31,
"Now is the judgment of this world, now shall the ruler of this world
be cast out;" (RSV)
The first human couple listened to that liar, and disobeyed God. As
God said would happen, it brought on death. But in order for a perfect
body to die without any outside help, it has to become imperfect. And
since Adam and Eve were mercifully permitted to have offspring, (as
said before, if He destroyed them right in the beginning, none of us
would be here today) we also inherited that imperfection.
yes the loving, caring christian god damned all mankind to hell for all
eternity because eve committed the ultimate crime of eating some fruit
from
a tree
why does god's tree mean more to him than his human creations?
the christian god certainly is a COLD-HEARTED *****
No matter how good the king, he always punished the wicked.
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| Title: Re: The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and Suffering in theWorld? -- They don't. |
17 Jun 2006 04:00:50 PM |
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Melchizedek wrote:
The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and Suffering in the World?
Guest: Dr. Norman Geisler
Description:
- If God exists, why is there evil in the world?
===>There's no such being.
It is an anthropomorphic invention of humans. An IDOL.
Same as the idea of "good" and "evil".
They are human concepts, reflecting what humans like and dislike.
A beaver dam is "evil" for humans, but is "good" for beavers.
Pneumonia is "evil" for humans, but "good" for the pneumococcus
in cases of pneumococcal, staphylococcal, and streptococcal infections.
From a cosmic perspective, the perspective of SPINOZA'S GOD,
the only REAL "GOD", there are only events. "Good" and "evil"
are simply human labels on those events. -- L.
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| User: "Bull" |
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| Title: Re: The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and Suffering in the World? |
17 Jun 2006 09:46:20 AM |
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:25:56 -0400, "Melchizedek"
<Melchizedek@as-if.com> wrote:
The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and
Suffering in the World?
Guest: Dr. Norman Geisler
Description:
- If God exists, why is there evil in the
world?
- What is evil?
- Where did evil come from?
- Why doesn't God intervene and stop all
evil?
- Why does God allow the innocent to suffer?
- How can physical evils such as
earthquakes, tornadoes and cancer be explained?
- Could God have made a better world than
the one we live in?
- Is there a good reason for the existence
of hell on which even some atheists would agree?
- What about those who have never heard the
Gospel?
Video Series - Media Player [384 kbps] ~2.5
hours
http://207.234.208.119/bibleweb.info/=DRIVE=bibleweb-drive/_-_/=CD-R=why-evil-and-suffering/index.html
- Blessings, -- Melchizedek
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they have answers even if they are ridiculous.
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| User: "Melchizedek" |
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| Title: Re: The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and Suffering in the World? |
17 Jun 2006 03:04:35 PM |
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"Bull" <BDurham@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:rb58925l8hkupqajfomjt16nrel71pr6kr@4ax.com...
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:25:56 -0400, "Melchizedek"
<Melchizedek@as-if.com> wrote:
The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and
Suffering in the World?
Guest: Dr. Norman Geisler
Description:
- If God exists, why is there evil in the
world?
- What is evil?
- Where did evil come from?
- Why doesn't God intervene and stop all
evil?
- Why does God allow the innocent to suffer?
- How can physical evils such as
earthquakes, tornadoes and cancer be explained?
- Could God have made a better world than
the one we live in?
- Is there a good reason for the existence
of hell on which even some atheists would agree?
- What about those who have never heard the
Gospel?
Video Series - Media Player [384 kbps] ~2.5
hours
http://207.234.208.119/bibleweb.info/=DRIVE=bibleweb-drive/_-_/=CD-R=why-evil-and-suffering/index.html
- Blessings, -- Melchizedek
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// A Christian Bible Study Collection
// Small Group Bible Studies
//
http://bibleweb.info/0-newsgroup-material/
[XXXX][O]=========
The Word of God =========><>
\\
250Gb online - 1.5Tb DVD archive
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\\ http://Bibleweb.Info/
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Don't worry! The faithful have an answer to all <=== Why do anti-Chrstians flock here?
these questions and more. It's important that
they have answers even if they are ridiculous.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and Suffering in theWorld? -- THEY DON'T! |
17 Jun 2006 04:27:18 PM |
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Melchizedek wrote:
"Bull" <BDurham@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:rb58925l8hkupqajfomjt16nrel71pr6kr@4ax.com...
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:25:56 -0400, "Melchizedek"
<Melchizedek@as-if.com> wrote:
The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and
Suffering in the World?
Guest: Dr. Norman Geisler
Description:
- If God exists, why is there evil in the
world?
===>There's no such being.
It is an anthropomorphic invention of humans. An IDOL.
Same as the idea of "good" and "evil".
They are human concepts, reflecting what humans like and dislike.
A beaver dam is "evil" for humans, but is "good" for beavers.
Pneumonia is "evil" for humans, but "good" for the pneumococcus
in cases of pneumococcal, staphylococcal, and streptococcal infections.
From a cosmic perspective, the perspective of SPINOZA'S GOD,
the only REAL "GOD", there are only events. "Good" and "evil"
are simply human labels on those events. -- L.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and Suffering in the World? |
17 Jun 2006 12:54:47 PM |
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:25:56 -0400, "Melchizedek" <Melchizedek@as-if.com> wrote:
The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and Suffering in the World?
Guest: Dr. Norman Geisler
Description:
- If God exists, why is there evil in the world?
1. Because mankind, God's creation, is evil.
That's the reason evil exists.
2. The suffering servant is Christ. Suffering brings us closer to him,
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Bull" |
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| Title: Re: Re: The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and Suffering in the World? |
17 Jun 2006 01:19:14 PM |
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:54:47 -0500, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:25:56 -0400, "Melchizedek"
<Melchizedek@as-if.com> wrote:
The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and
Suffering in the World?
Guest: Dr. Norman Geisler
Description:
- If God exists, why is there evil in the
world?
1. Because mankind, God's creation, is evil.
That's the reason evil exists.
2. The suffering servant is Christ. Suffering
brings us closer to him,
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
May your life be filled with extreme suffering --
all the better to get close to your little
imaginary friend.
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| User: "Melchizedek" |
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| Title: Re: Re: The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and Suffering in the World? |
17 Jun 2006 03:05:01 PM |
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"Bull" <BDurham@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:vrh892t6dcfl7k9qsapifhet5l7afga7sq@4ax.com...
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:54:47 -0500, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:25:56 -0400, "Melchizedek"
<Melchizedek@as-if.com> wrote:
The Problem of Evil: Why Does God Allow Evil and
Suffering in the World?
Guest: Dr. Norman Geisler
Description:
- If God exists, why is there evil in the
world?
1. Because mankind, God's creation, is evil.
That's the reason evil exists.
2. The suffering servant is Christ. Suffering
brings us closer to him,
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
May your life be filled with extreme suffering --
all the better to get close to your little
imaginary friend. <=== Why do anti-Christians flock here?
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