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The Revelation of Jesus Christ concerning his coming:
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Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to
shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he
sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Notice how The Revelation begins: "to shew unto his servants things
which must shortly come to pass"..
To show unto... whom ?
The things that must... what ?
Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of
Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of
this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the
time is at hand.
Notice it reads "for the time is at hand."
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Is there More to consider ?
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Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which
shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his
kingdom.
When Jesus said "coming in his kingdom" , was He speaking of his second
coming ?
Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be
some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they
have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Jesus said "till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power",
and had said before "till they see the Son of man coming in his
kingdom", so JESUS has said " there be some of them that stand here,
which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in
his kingdom and the kingdom of God with power" ...
Mar 14:61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high
priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of
the Blessed?
Mar 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man
sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Notice in the scripture above that JESUS told the high priest, "and
ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and
coming in the clouds of heaven". "Coming in the "clouds" of heaven". So
JESUS has said:
" There be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of
death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom" and "the
kingdom of God with power" .. and to the high priest "and ye shall see
the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the
clouds of heaven".
To say "coming in the clouds of heaven" is to say "coming in the
kingdom of God with power", because JESUS said both. The "cloud" being
symbolic of "power" it seems.
_________
In the scripture below JESUS was talking about Jerusalem being trodden
by the Gentiles:
Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be
led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down
of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in
the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the
sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after
those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven
shall be shaken.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud
with power and great glory.
Now remember JESUS has said:
" There be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of
death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom" and "the
kingdom of God with power" .. and to the high priest "ye shall see the
Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds
of heaven".
And JESUS was saying this to those standing with him, and to that
generation of vipers who would live to see it.
Behold Jerusalem in Jesus' time, the mother of harlots:
Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the
damnation of hell?
Mat 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men,
and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of
them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city
to city:
Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the
earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son
of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this
generation.
Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and
stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered
thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her
wings, and ye would not!
Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up,
and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
As redemption was to be after Jerusalem was trodden by the gentiles
and recieving their just reward, the desolation of Jerusalem in 70 a.d.
was a ransom in full, a riddance of those who cried out "crucify him",
may his blood be upon us", and marked the time of Christian salvation,
"redemption":
G629
apolutro=AFsis (redemption)
ap-ol-oo'-tro-sis
From a compound of G575 and G3083; (the act) ransom in full, that is,
(figuratively) riddance, or (specifically) Christian salvation: -
deliverance, redemption.
And his reward was with him, to reward those who cried out "crucify
him", "may his blood be upon us":
Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her
double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to
her double.
And to reward his Apostles with eternal life, even as the last living
apostle had died:
Mat 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in
heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Mat 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into
another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the
cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to
give every man according as his work shall be.
And the Greek word used as "quickly" means right away, without delay:
G5035
tachu (quickly)
takh-oo'
Neuter singular of G5036 (as adverb); shortly, that is, without delay,
soon, or (by surprise) suddenly, or (by implication of ease) readily: -
lightly, quickly.
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see
the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great
glory.
Now remember JESUS has said:
" There be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of
death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom" and "the
kingdom of God with power" .. and to the high priest "YE shall see the
Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds
of heaven"
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Part Two
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Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire;
so shall it be in the end of this world.
(cont. below)
The Greek word "aion" was used and translated as "world" in that
passage, that is properly, "the end of this [age]" :
G165
aio=AFn
ahee-ohn'
From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also
past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic
period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more),
[n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end).
Compare G5550.
(cont)
Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall
gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do
iniquity;
Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be
wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the
kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
And the new age began, the kingdom of God and the Lamb came and the
righteous shine forth within it.
Mar 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in
this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man
be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy
angels.
JESUS said to "this adulterous and sinful generation", that generation
of vipers he was among, that if they are ashamed of him, he will be
ashamed of them when he comes, which is to say he will come in their
generation; even some standing with him would live to see it: *Mat
16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall
not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Luk 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them,
Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the
prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
Did JESUS say "all" things?
Jesus called his Apostles, then said:
Joh 1:51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and
descending upon the Son of man.
"Hereafter"
Joh 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the
Son of man should be glorified.
"The hour is come"
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see
the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great
glory.
Remember, JESUS has said:
" There be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of
death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom" and "the
kingdom of God with power" .. and to the high priest "YE shall see the
Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds
of heaven"
Joh 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am,
there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father
honour.
Joh 12:27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save
me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
Joh 12:28 Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from
heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
Joh 12:29 The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that
it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
Joh 12:30 Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me,
but for your sakes.
Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of
this world be cast out.
Now was then, the hour was at hand just before JESUS was crucified and
rose from the dead, and JESUS said the hour of judgment had come.
Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him;
for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven,
and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Mat 12:42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with
this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost
parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a
greater than Solomon is here.
Mat 12:20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he
not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.
Rev 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and
the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his
servants the things which must shortly be done.
"and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his
servants the things which must"... what ?
Rev 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had
heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel
which shewed me these things.
Rev 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy
fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep
the sayings of this book: worship God.
Rev 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy
of this book: for the time is at hand.
"for the time is at hand".
And it is said the hand of John finished writing The Revelation by 69
a=2Ed., 38 years after Christ ascended into the kingdom of heaven and the
right hand of the power of God.
________
Believe me, I do know this may come as a shock to you. To me it seemed
even blasphemous to consider, and im sure you may feel the same way,
but as I have searched for truth in the scriptures and prayed for truth
and understanding and put away the teachings of men, I ask that you
hear the words of our LORD and consider them.
ShaQad
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free.
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The Revelation of Jesus Christ concerning his coming
It Is Written:
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to
shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he
sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Notice how The Revelation begins: "to shew unto his servants things
which must shortly come to pass"..
To show unto... whom ?
The things that must... what ?
Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of
Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of
this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the
time is at hand.
Notice it reads "for the time is at hand."
How can we put this away? If you can reason this away, please try.
Is there More to consider ?
Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which
shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his
kingdom.
When Jesus said "coming in his kingdom" , was He speaking of his
second coming ?
JESUS said much more to consider:
Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be
some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they
have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Jesus said " there be some of them that stand here, which shall not
taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with
power", and had said before " There be some standing here, which shall
not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his
kingdom", so JESUS has said "There be some standing here, which shall
not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom"
"and the kingdom of God come with power" ...
Mar 14:61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high
priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of
the Blessed?
Mar 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting
on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Notice in the scripture above that JESUS told the high priest, "and
ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and
coming in the clouds of heaven". "Coming in the "clouds" of heaven".
So JESUS has said "Verily I say unto you, there be some of them
that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen
the kingdom of God come with power", and had said before " There be
some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the
Son of man coming in his kingdom", so JESUS has said " There be some
standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of
man coming in his kingdom" "and the kingdom of God come with power" ,
And to the high priest "and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the
right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven"...
To say "coming in the clouds of heaven" is to say "coming in the
kingdom of God with power", because JESUS said both. ( The "cloud"
being symbolic of "power" it seems.)
In this scripture below JESUS was talking about Jerusalem being
trodden by the Gentiles:
Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then
know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and
let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that
are in the countries enter thereinto.
Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are
written may be fulfilled.
Luk 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give
suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and
wrath upon this people.
Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be
led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down
of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in
the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the
sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after
those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven
shall be shaken.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with
power and great glory.
Now remember JESUS has said:
"Verily I say unto you, there be some of them that stand here,
which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God
come with power", and had said before " There be some standing here,
which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in
his kingdom", so JESUS has said " There be some standing here, which
shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his
kingdom" "and the kingdom of God come with power" , And to the high
priest "and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of
power, and coming in the clouds of heaven"...
And JESUS was saying this to those standing with him, and to that
generation of vipers who would live to see it.
Behold Jerusalem in Jesus' time, the mother of harlots:
Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the
damnation of hell?
Mat 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men,
and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of
them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city
to city:
Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the
earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son
of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this
generation.
"Verily".
Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and
stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered
thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her
wings, and ye would not!
Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints,
and of all that were slain upon the earth.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up,
and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
As redemption was to be after Jerusalem was trodden by the gentiles
and recieving their just reward, the desolation of Jerusalem in 70 a.d.
was a ransom in full, a riddance of those who cried out "crucify him",
"may his blood be upon us", who cried out for an abomination against
the Son of God, and marked the time of Christian salvation,
"redemption":
G629
apolutro=AFsis (redemption)
ap-ol-oo'-tro-sis
From a compound of G575 and G3083; (the act) ransom in full, that is,
(figuratively) riddance, or (specifically) Christian salvation: -
deliverance, redemption.
Mat 27:25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us,
and on our children.
Luk 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem,
weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.
And his reward was with him, to reward those who cried out "crucify
him", "His blood be upon us, and our children":
Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her
double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to
her double.
And to reward his apostles with eternal life, even as the last
living Apostle had died:
Mat 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in
heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Mat 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into
another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the
cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to
give every man according as his work shall be.
And the Greek word used as "quickly" means right away, without
delay:
G5035
tachu (quickly)
takh-oo'
Neuter singular of G5036 (as adverb); shortly, that is, without delay,
soon, or (by surprise) suddenly, or (by implication of ease) readily: -
lightly, quickly.
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see
the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great
glory.
Now remember JESUS has said:
"Verily I say unto you, there be some of them that stand here,
which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God
come with power", and had said before " There be some standing here,
which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in
his kingdom", so JESUS has said " There be some standing here, which
shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his
kingdom" "and the kingdom of God come with power" , And to the high
priest "and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of
power, and coming in the clouds of heaven"...
Part Two
Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire;
so shall it be in the end of this world.
(cont. below)
The Greek word "aion" was used and translated by King James as
"world" in that passage, that is properly, "the end of this age" :
G165
aio=AFn
ahee-ohn'
From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also
past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic
period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more),
[n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end).
Compare G5550.
This is not just my understanding, Look at the same verse in other
translations:
Mat 13:40
(ESV) Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it
be at the close of the age.
(HNV) As therefore the darnel weeds are gathered up and burned with
fire; so will it be at the end of this age.
(ISV) Just as weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so it will be at
end of the age.
(cont)
Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall
gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do
iniquity;
Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be
wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the
kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
As the new age began, the kingdom of God and the Lamb came, after
all, JESUS did say:
"Verily I say unto you, there be some of them that stand here,
which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God
come with power", and had said before " There be some standing here,
which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in
his kingdom"
And "the righteous shine forth as the sun" within it now and will
forever:
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to
shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the
light thereof.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the
light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour
into it.
Mar 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in
this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man
be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy
angels.
JESUS said to "this adulterous and sinful generation", that
generation of vipers he was among, that if they are ashamed of him, he
will be ashamed of them when he comes, which is to say he will come in
their generation; even some standing with him would live to see it:
*Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which
shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his
kingdom.
Jesus called his Apostles, then said:
Joh 1:51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and
descending upon the Son of man.
"Hereafter"
Joh 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the
Son of man should be glorified.
"The hour is come"
Joh 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there
shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father
honour.
Joh 12:27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save
me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
Joh 12:28 Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from
heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
Joh 12:29 The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that
it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
Joh 12:30 Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me,
but for your sakes.
Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of
this world be cast out.
Now was then, the "hour" was at hand, and JESUS said "Now is the
judgment of this world":
Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for
the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and
earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Mat 12:42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with
this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost
parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a
greater than Solomon is here.
Mat 12:20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he
not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.
Rev 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and
the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his
servants the things which must shortly be done.
"and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto
his servants the things which must"... what ?
Rev 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had
heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel
which shewed me these things.
Rev 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy
fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep
the sayings of this book: worship God.
Rev 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of
this book: for the time is at hand.
"for the time is at hand".
And it is said the hand of John finished writing The Revelation by
69 a.d., near 38 years after Christ ascended into the kingdom of heaven
and the right hand of the power of God.
*Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you
free.
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I pledge allegiance... to the God...of Abraham, Isaac, and
Jacob.... And to the kingdom... for which Christ stands... all
nations... under God...invincible... with liberty and justice for all.
Believe me, I do know this may come as a shock to you. To me it seemed
even blasphemous to consider, and im sure you may feel the same way,
but as I have searched for truth in the scriptures and prayed for truth
and understanding and put away the teachings of men, I ask that you
hear the words of our Lord JESUS and consider them. I am sure it does
not offend the LORD to hear his words.
Do not believe any man, not me, nobody, but go to the LORD and the
Bible for questions about scripture, because we may be wrong, I may be
wrong. And pray.
Ps...that e-sword e-Bible opened up the Bible for me, I highly
reccomend it.
=20
(Thank you Rick Meyers)
Flowerchild
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On 16 Oct 2005 00:06:49 -0700, "Flowerchild" <shaqad@netzero.com>
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Part Three: John chapter 5
Especially ... John 5:39 (KJV)
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and
they are they which testify of me.
The scriptures He was talking about are not the "New Testament".
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16 Oct 2005 05:35:43 PM |
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Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and
they are they which testify of me.
The scriptures He was talking about are not the "New Testament".
my Dear Zoomdie, if you look at the sentence its fairley clear he
diddent hafe a clue WHAT he was talking about!
'hafe A really good look in the scriptures because you think you will
live forever and that's What they say about me ...'
NOT really a convincing piece of proase really, is It? or Am i missing
somthink?
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16 Oct 2005 05:45:46 PM |
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On 16 Oct 2005 15:35:43 -0700, "the14thdisciple"
<the14thdisciple@littleboxes.nl> wrote:
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and
they are they which testify of me.
The scriptures He was talking about are not the "New Testament".
my Dear Zoomdie, if you look at the sentence its fairley clear he
diddent hafe a clue WHAT he was talking about!
'hafe A really good look in the scriptures because you think you will
live forever and that's What they say about me ...'
NOT really a convincing piece of proase really, is It? or Am i missing
somthink?
loaf Form 14
Bin Dinkin again, eh.
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16 Oct 2005 05:57:42 PM |
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Bin Dinkin again, eh.
o i SEE! yoar Using the KJV version ... of Corrs ...
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16 Oct 2005 06:40:31 PM |
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On 16 Oct 2005 15:57:42 -0700, "the14thdisciple"
<the14thdisciple@littleboxes.nl> wrote:
Bin Dinkin again, eh.
o i SEE! yoar Using the KJV version ... of Corrs ...
loaf Form 14
Obviously... in both regards.
U Bin Drinkin. and you're spell checker is drinkin too.
Be on the lookout for ... Bin Drinkin Lots. ;-)
Also known as BDL (Bin Drinkin Lots),
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"sha^qad" <shaqad@netzero.com> wrote in message
news:1129272175.229703.166260@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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The Revelation of Jesus Christ concerning his coming:
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Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to
shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he
sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Notice how The Revelation begins: "to shew unto his servants things
which must shortly come to pass"..
To show unto... whom ?
The things that must... what ?
Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of
Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of
this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the
time is at hand.
Notice it reads "for the time is at hand."
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Is there More to consider ?
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Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which
shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his
kingdom.
When Jesus said "coming in his kingdom" , was He speaking of his second
coming ?
Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be
some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they
have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Jesus said "till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power",
and had said before "till they see the Son of man coming in his
kingdom", so JESUS has said " there be some of them that stand here,
which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in
his kingdom and the kingdom of God with power" ...
Mar 14:61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high
priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of
the Blessed?
Mar 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man
sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Notice in the scripture above that JESUS told the high priest, "and
ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and
coming in the clouds of heaven". "Coming in the "clouds" of heaven". So
JESUS has said:
" There be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of
death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom" and "the
kingdom of God with power" .. and to the high priest "and ye shall see
the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the
clouds of heaven".
To say "coming in the clouds of heaven" is to say "coming in the
kingdom of God with power", because JESUS said both. The "cloud" being
symbolic of "power" it seems.
Not neceesarily-it could certainly mean "amongst confusion", like driving
through clouds on a high mountain.
There is alot of leeway in Revelation.
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In the scripture below JESUS was talking about Jerusalem being trodden
by the Gentiles:
Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be
led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down
of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in
the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the
sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after
those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven
shall be shaken.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud
with power and great glory.
Now remember JESUS has said:
" There be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of
death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom" and "the
kingdom of God with power" .. and to the high priest "ye shall see the
Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds
of heaven".
And JESUS was saying this to those standing with him, and to that
generation of vipers who would live to see it.
But they did not see it.Another event has to happen.
Behold Jerusalem in Jesus' time, the mother of harlots:
Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the
damnation of hell?
Mat 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men,
and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of
them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city
to city:
Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the
earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son
of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this
generation.
Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and
stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered
thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her
wings, and ye would not!
Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up,
and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
As redemption was to be after Jerusalem was trodden by the gentiles
and recieving their just reward, the desolation of Jerusalem in 70 a.d.
was a ransom in full, a riddance of those who cried out "crucify him",
may his blood be upon us", and marked the time of Christian salvation,
"redemption":
Ok, that is the coming to pass of a certain revelation (the stones all
coming down)
G629
apolutroŻsis (redemption)
ap-ol-oo'-tro-sis
From a compound of G575 and G3083; (the act) ransom in full, that is,
(figuratively) riddance, or (specifically) Christian salvation: -
deliverance, redemption.
And his reward was with him, to reward those who cried out "crucify
him", "may his blood be upon us":
Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her
double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to
her double.
And to reward his Apostles with eternal life, even as the last living
apostle had died:
Mat 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in
heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Mat 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into
another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the
cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to
give every man according as his work shall be.
And the Greek word used as "quickly" means right away, without delay:
G5035
tachu (quickly)
takh-oo'
Neuter singular of G5036 (as adverb); shortly, that is, without delay,
soon, or (by surprise) suddenly, or (by implication of ease) readily: -
lightly, quickly.
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see
the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great
glory.
Now remember JESUS has said:
" There be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of
death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom" and "the
kingdom of God with power" .. and to the high priest "YE shall see the
Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds
of heaven"
Again, quickly to The Father could mean a million years.ToThe Son, the same.
________
Part Two
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Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire;
so shall it be in the end of this world.
(cont. below)
The Greek word "aion" was used and translated as "world" in that
passage, that is properly, "the end of this [age]" :
G165
aioŻn
ahee-ohn'
From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also
past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic
period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more),
[n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end).
Compare G5550.
(cont)
Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall
gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do
iniquity;
Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be
wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the
kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
This will be visible to us-the "angels and their actions" but *not to all of
us*
And the new age began, the kingdom of God and the Lamb came and the
righteous shine forth within it.
Has not begun.
Mar 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in
this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man
be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy
angels.
JESUS said to "this adulterous and sinful generation", that generation
of vipers he was among, that if they are ashamed of him, he will be
ashamed of them when he comes, which is to say he will come in their
generation; even some standing with him would live to see it: *Mat
16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall
not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Luk 18:31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them,
Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the
prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
Did JESUS say "all" things?
Jesus called his Apostles, then said:
Joh 1:51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and
descending upon the Son of man.
"Hereafter"
Joh 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the
Son of man should be glorified.
"The hour is come"
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see
the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great
glory.
That hour has not come.
Remember, JESUS has said:
" There be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of
death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom" and "the
kingdom of God with power" .. and to the high priest "YE shall see the
Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds
of heaven"
Do you know if they will be resurrected first?Would they know time passed
between their deaths in those days and their awakening in these?(besides the
obvious technological society we live in)
Joh 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am,
there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father
honour.
Joh 12:27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save
me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
Joh 12:28 Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from
heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
Joh 12:29 The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that
it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
Joh 12:30 Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me,
but for your sakes.
Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of
this world be cast out.
Now was then, the hour was at hand just before JESUS was crucified and
rose from the dead, and JESUS said the hour of judgment had come.
.....AND WHERE I AM....
You think that meant a GPS coordinate?
Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him;
for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven,
and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Mat 12:42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with
this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost
parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a
greater than Solomon is here.
Mat 12:20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he
not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.
Rev 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and
the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his
servants the things which must shortly be done.
"and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his
servants the things which must"... what ?
Rev 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had
heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel
which shewed me these things.
Rev 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy
fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep
the sayings of this book: worship God.
Rev 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy
of this book: for the time is at hand.
"for the time is at hand".
And it is said the hand of John finished writing The Revelation by 69
a.d., 38 years after Christ ascended into the kingdom of heaven and the
right hand of the power of God.
Yet, the time is not yet at hand.Jesus spoke in Parables (which is why
atheists ask for some of you to wonder why the bible is taken as science by
some-it should not, and I just gave you one reason why)
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Believe me, I do know this may come as a shock to you. To me it seemed
even blasphemous to consider, and im sure you may feel the same way,
but as I have searched for truth in the scriptures and prayed for truth
and understanding and put away the teachings of men, I ask that you
hear the words of our LORD and consider them.
ShaQad
*Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you
free.
Yeah, even says so at CIA.
However....
1. Leo Sgouros Apr 8 2002, 9:58 pm
Newsgroups: alt.politics.org.cia
From: "Leo Sgouros"
Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 01:57:52 GMT
Local: Mon, Apr 8 2002 9:57 pm
Subject: When will there be an alt.politics.dea?
I have some things to talk about boys.
Its time.
From: Dramar Ankalle (mikal...@ix.netcom.com)
Subject: blood drinking, anyone?
Newsgroups: alt.bible.prophecy
View: Complete Thread (4 articles) | Original Format
Date: 2001-04-16 01:12:03 PST
K R Y P T O S B A B Y L O N A B O M I N A T I O N S
M Y S T E R Y C E N T R A L I N T E L L I G E N C E
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The other CIA pilot expels a breath. "God," he murmurs.
The dramatic recording ends minutes later, as the small plane is seen
drifting toward the Amazon River below. The tape was released yesterday by
the State Department, along with a report from the joint U.S.-Peruvian
investigation into the mistaken April 20 shootdown of a plane carrying
American missionaries.
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v01/n1416/a02.htm
Notice the timing and the incident.
Christos Anesti
APOLLYON
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14 Oct 2005 01:38:22 PM |
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On 13 Oct 2005 23:42:55 -0700, "sha^qad"
<shaqad@netzero.com> spake thusly:
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The Revelation of Jesus Christ concerning his coming:
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"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see
him, and they also which pierced him" - Revelation 1:7a
Note: EVEN THEY WHO PIERCED HIM.
That must be a first century return, since that's when
those who PIERCED Him lived.
And this isn't saying that they'll see Him when they're
resurrected, since what's taught is that the world sees
Him coming and THEN the resurrection happens. So,
in order for those who PIERCED Him to SEE HIM COMING,
they MUST still be alive when He comes.
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
"Be strong all people of the land. Do not fear."
"If you will not believe, surely you will not be
established." - Jehovah
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14 Oct 2005 11:21:17 PM |
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On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:38:22 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
==>On 13 Oct 2005 23:42:55 -0700, "sha^qad"
==><shaqad@netzero.com> spake thusly:
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==>> The Revelation of Jesus Christ concerning his coming:
==>>_____________________________________________________
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==>"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see
==>him, and they also which pierced him" - Revelation 1:7a
==>
==>Note: EVEN THEY WHO PIERCED HIM.
==>
==>That must be a first century return, since that's when
==>those who PIERCED Him lived.
==>
==>And this isn't saying that they'll see Him when they're
==>resurrected, since what's taught is that the world sees
==>Him coming and THEN the resurrection happens. So,
==>in order for those who PIERCED Him to SEE HIM COMING,
==>they MUST still be alive when He comes.
Did every eye see Him coming? No! Come on, because if it did not fit
part, it does not fit all. I wish preterism would return back to the
pit it crawled out from under.
In Jesus Name,
Bro. Bill Price
The Apostolic Defender
http://www.apostolicjesusname.com
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15 Oct 2005 03:05:27 AM |
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Jesus has returned through incarnation in the quiet of the night
And that person who has pierced him, of course has also been
reincarnated
in this century!
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15 Oct 2005 05:16:10 AM |
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.... do You know whear Jeasus has got his piercing, Mister
sick-sick-sick? onley If it is a 'sensetive' place (like a Nippel) it
is quite likely he wouldst want the same person to do the next one.
i Did NOT know that Jeasus had no pearcings. did He hafe a tattoo of
his Mum as well? and Maybe some nice earrings?
loaf Form 14
http://www.littleboxes.nl
Littleboxes Nursing Home
"Caring for the wants and needs of the needy and the wanty"
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16 Oct 2005 01:39:00 AM |
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the14thdisciple wrote:
... do You know whear Jeasus has got his piercing, Mister
sick-sick-sick? onley If it is a 'sensetive' place (like a Nippel) it
is quite likely he wouldst want the same person to do the next one.
i Did NOT know that Jeasus had no pearcings. did He hafe a tattoo of
his Mum as well? and Maybe some nice earrings?
loaf Form 14
http://www.littleboxes.nl
Littleboxes Nursing Home
"Caring for the wants and needs of the needy and the wanty"
Told you not to walk the unorthodox path
Now with your LSD mind, everything from you is not right!
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Now with your LSD mind, everything from you is not right!
mister Sick-sick-sicks, EVERBODY knows that LSD affects yoar LEFT mind,
NOT yoar right one. it Is known as the Creatife Hemmisphear and
thearfore peapel like The God hafe verey big ones becasue they need to
do sutch a lot of creating.
did He pass any of his Creatife thinking on to you, sick-Sick? onley i
Noatice you NEVER answerer my questons, you just say somthing vaigue
....? i Mean, if you hafe to hafe a little think befoar you reply then
doanet worry i Can wait a bit becasue i am Sure it is worth waiting
for.
and DOANET bite yoar pencil!
loaf Form yoar old freand 14
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14 Oct 2005 11:25:25 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 04:21:17 GMT, William M. Price
<brotherprice@houston.rr.com> spake thusly:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:38:22 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
==>On 13 Oct 2005 23:42:55 -0700, "sha^qad"
==><shaqad@netzero.com> spake thusly:
==>
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==>> The Revelation of Jesus Christ concerning his coming:
==>>_____________________________________________________
==>
==>
==>"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see
==>him, and they also which pierced him" - Revelation 1:7a
==>
==>Note: EVEN THEY WHO PIERCED HIM.
==>
==>That must be a first century return, since that's when
==>those who PIERCED Him lived.
==>
==>And this isn't saying that they'll see Him when they're
==>resurrected, since what's taught is that the world sees
==>Him coming and THEN the resurrection happens. So,
==>in order for those who PIERCED Him to SEE HIM COMING,
==>they MUST still be alive when He comes.
Did every eye see Him coming?
You ignored the point. That isn't the question and you
know that, since I pointed it out very clearly.
The question is, did the eyes that pierced Him, see Him
coming? That's what the Scripture says would happen.
And as I said...
"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see
him, and they also which pierced him" - Revelation 1:7a
Note: EVEN THEY WHO PIERCED HIM.
That must be a first century return, since that's when
those who PIERCED Him lived.
And this isn't saying that they'll see Him when they're
resurrected, since what's taught is that the world sees
Him coming and THEN the resurrection happens. So,
in order for those who PIERCED Him to SEE HIM COMING,
they MUST still be alive when He comes.
Now stop ignoring the Scriptures to suit your man made
doctrine and answer the point specifically.
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
"Be strong all people of the land. Do not fear."
"If you will not believe, surely you will not be
established." - Jehovah
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15 Oct 2005 06:35:48 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:d211l115cih828vptgd2gebct6upt5lqjs@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 04:21:17 GMT, William M. Price
<brotherprice@houston.rr.com> spake thusly:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:38:22 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
==>On 13 Oct 2005 23:42:55 -0700, "sha^qad"
==><shaqad@netzero.com> spake thusly:
==>
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==>> The Revelation of Jesus Christ concerning his coming:
==>>_____________________________________________________
==>
==>
==>"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see
==>him, and they also which pierced him" - Revelation 1:7a
==>
==>Note: EVEN THEY WHO PIERCED HIM.
==>
==>That must be a first century return, since that's when
==>those who PIERCED Him lived.
YOUR ERROR IS YOU BELIEVE YOUR GOING TO DIE !
YOU ARE ETERNAL !
YOU JUST DONT KNOW IT YET !
==>And this isn't saying that they'll see Him when they're
==>resurrected, since what's taught is that the world sees
==>Him coming and THEN the resurrection happens. So,
==>in order for those who PIERCED Him to SEE HIM COMING,
==>they MUST still be alive when He comes.
CORRECT ! AND THEY STILL ARE !
YOU JUST HAVENT GOT A SINGLE CLUE !
LIFE IS REAL DEATH IS REAL!
YOUR Choice
BOTH ARE ETERNAL !
BOTH JOIN AT THE CENTER OF ETERNAL TIME !
NOW ! RIGHT NOW ! THIS VERY MOMENT ETERNAL
YOU JUST DONT "GET" WHAT TIME IS !
Jesus said "The kingdom of God is close at hand"
It is right here right now you just got to know where to look.
Or how to look at your "self"
"For the kingdom of heaven is within "YOU"
Within you is the ability to stand on the edge of time eternal. To do this
you have to syncopate with God you have to become, to face God. You will
fight to keep your self to the death even then you will see that what you
believe reality to be is but a vail to keep you warm and fluffy inside.
Submit to God Both in life and death then answer to him your will.
Did every eye see Him coming?
EVERY 3rd EYE
When 3 or more gather in my name.
God said WHAT ?
"I,AM WITH YOU"
"TIME" PLAYS A MAJOR ROLE HERE !
When 3 or more
WHY 3 ?
1= flip or flop
2= filp flop or flop flip
3=flip flop flip or folp flip flop
you see with 3 the circle is without begining and without end
filp flop flip flop flip flop flip flop
You ignored the point. That isn't the question and you
know that, since I pointed it out very clearly.
The question is, did the eyes that pierced Him, see Him
coming? That's what the Scripture says would happen.
And as I said...
"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see
him, and they also which pierced him" - Revelation 1:7a
Note: EVEN THEY WHO PIERCED HIM.
That must be a first century return, since that's when
those who PIERCED Him lived.
And this isn't saying that they'll see Him when they're
resurrected, since what's taught is that the world sees
Him coming and THEN the resurrection happens. So,
in order for those who PIERCED Him to SEE HIM COMING,
they MUST still be alive when He comes.
As every thing is Time eternal you are correct all see him coming.
Your just not looking @ time the right way.
Now stop ignoring the Scriptures to suit your man made
doctrine.
"Be strong all people of the land. Do not fear."
"If you will not believe, surely you will not be
established." - Jehovah
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15 Oct 2005 07:40:06 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:35:48 GMT, "BoD ! © 2005"
<BoD@The-House-of-God.org> spake thusly:
==>>_____________________________________________________
==>>
==>> The Revelation of Jesus Christ concerning his coming:
==>>_____________________________________________________
==>
==>
==>"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see
==>him, and they also which pierced him" - Revelation 1:7a
==>
==>Note: EVEN THEY WHO PIERCED HIM.
==>
==>That must be a first century return, since that's when
==>those who PIERCED Him lived.
YOUR ERROR IS YOU BELIEVE YOUR GOING TO DIE !
YOU ARE ETERNAL !
YOU JUST DONT KNOW IT YET !
Physically, we are not.
==>And this isn't saying that they'll see Him when they're
==>resurrected, since what's taught is that the world sees
==>Him coming and THEN the resurrection happens. So,
==>in order for those who PIERCED Him to SEE HIM COMING,
==>they MUST still be alive when He comes.
CORRECT ! AND THEY STILL ARE !
YOU JUST HAVENT GOT A SINGLE CLUE !
LIFE IS REAL DEATH IS REAL!
YOUR Choice
BOTH ARE ETERNAL !
BOTH JOIN AT THE CENTER OF ETERNAL TIME !
NOW ! RIGHT NOW ! THIS VERY MOMENT ETERNAL
YOU JUST DONT "GET" WHAT TIME IS !
Jesus said "The kingdom of God is close at hand"
It is right here right now you just got to know where to look.
Or how to look at your "self"
"For the kingdom of heaven is within "YOU"
Within you is the ability to stand on the edge of time eternal. To do this
you have to syncopate with God you have to become, to face God. You will
fight to keep your self to the death even then you will see that what you
believe reality to be is but a vail to keep you warm and fluffy inside.
Submit to God Both in life and death then answer to him your will.
Did every eye see Him coming?
EVERY 3rd EYE
When 3 or more gather in my name.
God said WHAT ?
"I,AM WITH YOU"
"TIME" PLAYS A MAJOR ROLE HERE !
When 3 or more
WHY 3 ?
1= flip or flop
2= filp flop or flop flip
3=flip flop flip or folp flip flop
you see with 3 the circle is without begining and without end
filp flop flip flop flip flop flip flop
You are a foolish boy, who also avoided the point made
below.
You ignored the point. That isn't the question and you
know that, since I pointed it out very clearly.
The question is, did the eyes that pierced Him, see Him
coming? That's what the Scripture says would happen.
And as I said...
"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see
him, and they also which pierced him" - Revelation 1:7a
Note: EVEN THEY WHO PIERCED HIM.
That must be a first century return, since that's when
those who PIERCED Him lived.
And this isn't saying that they'll see Him when they're
resurrected, since what's taught is that the world sees
Him coming and THEN the resurrection happens. So,
in order for those who PIERCED Him to SEE HIM COMING,
they MUST still be alive when He comes.
As every thing is Time eternal you are correct all see him coming.
Your just not looking @ time the right way.
Now stop ignoring the Scriptures to suit your man made
doctrine.
"Be strong all people of the land. Do not fear."
"If you will not believe, surely you will not be
established." - Jehovah
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
"Be strong all people of the land. Do not fear."
"If you will not believe, surely you will not be
established." - Jehovah
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| User: "BoD ! © 2005" |
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| Title: Re: The Revelation of Jesus Christ concerning his coming |
15 Oct 2005 09:02:22 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:c3u1l1dsvlciidi5tbnsaup6g7huu5aju8@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:35:48 GMT, "BoD ! © 2005"
<BoD@The-House-of-God.org> spake thusly:
==>>_____________________________________________________
==>>
==>> The Revelation of Jesus Christ concerning his coming:
==>>_____________________________________________________
==>
==>
==>"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see
==>him, and they also which pierced him" - Revelation 1:7a
==>
==>Note: EVEN THEY WHO PIERCED HIM.
==>
==>That must be a first century return, since that's when
==>those who PIERCED Him lived.
YOUR ERROR IS YOU BELIEVE YOUR GOING TO DIE !
YOU ARE ETERNAL !
YOU JUST DONT KNOW IT YET !
Physically, we are not.
Right !
So that means Spiritualy ?
YOU ARE !
==>And this isn't saying that they'll see Him when they're
==>resurrected, since what's taught is that the world sees
==>Him coming and THEN the resurrection happens. So,
==>in order for those who PIERCED Him to SEE HIM COMING,
==>they MUST still be alive when He comes.
CORRECT ! AND THEY STILL ARE !
YOU JUST HAVENT GOT A SINGLE CLUE !
LIFE IS REAL DEATH IS REAL!
YOUR Choice
BOTH ARE ETERNAL !
BOTH JOIN AT THE CENTER OF ETERNAL TIME !
NOW ! RIGHT NOW ! THIS VERY MOMENT ETERNAL
YOU JUST DONT "GET" WHAT TIME IS !
Jesus said "The kingdom of God is close at hand"
It is right here right now you just got to know where to look.
Or how to look at your "self"
"For the kingdom of heaven is within "YOU"
Within you is the ability to stand on the edge of time eternal. To do this
you have to syncopate with God you have to become, to face God. You will
fight to keep your self to the death even then you will see that what you
believe reality to be is but a vail to keep you warm and fluffy inside.
Submit to God Both in life and death then answer to him your will.
Did every eye see Him coming?
EVERY 3rd EYE
When 3 or more gather in my name.
God said WHAT ?
"I,AM WITH YOU"
"TIME" PLAYS A MAJOR ROLE HERE !
When 3 or more
WHY 3 ?
1= flip or flop
2= filp flop or flop flip
3=flip flop flip or folp flip flop
you see with 3 the circle is without begining and without end
filp flop flip flop flip flop flip flop
You are a foolish boy, who also avoided the point made
below.
I havent ignored your point. I agree with you. I,am just expounding and
pointing to the "POINT" in time when all that was did see. and all that is
will see and all to come will see him come in Power and Glory. Then @ that
point when "in time" Which is the eternal Now is reached by all.
NOW is the eternal point in time in which all see.
NOW is a place outside and above time.
You ignored the point. That isn't the question and you
know that, since I pointed it out very clearly.
The question is, did the eyes that pierced Him, see Him
coming? That's what the Scripture says would happen.
And as I said...
"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see
him, and they also which pierced him" - Revelation 1:7a
Note: EVEN THEY WHO PIERCED HIM.
That must be a first century return, since that's when
those who PIERCED Him lived.
And this isn't saying that they'll see Him when they're
resurrected, since what's taught is that the world sees
Him coming and THEN the resurrection happens. So,
in order for those who PIERCED Him to SEE HIM COMING,
they MUST still be alive when He comes.
All are eternal either in life of in death. But the lord is in the present
NOW ! close at hand all that was all that is and all that is to come for all
eternity.
This is why I keep saying that you have to see "TIME" for the "NOW" that it
is and not the days of men or the hours of a man made clock.
Time is both liner and none liner.
Life and death
Reality from your point of view is your experance of moving in time.
Each will by choice move toward Life or toward Death along eternal time.
Free will.
BoD !
As every thing is Time eternal you are correct all see him coming.
Your just not looking @ time the right way.
Now stop ignoring the Scriptures to suit your man made
doctrine.
"Be strong all people of the land. Do not fear."
"If you will not believe, surely you will not be
established." - Jehovah
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
"Be strong all people of the land. Do not fear."
"If you will not believe, surely you will not be
established." - Jehovah
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: The Revelation of Jesus Christ concerning his coming |
15 Oct 2005 09:39:33 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:02:22 GMT, "BoD ! © 2005"
<BoD@The-House-of-God.org> spake thusly:
"Pastor Dave" <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:c3u1l1dsvlciidi5tbnsaup6g7huu5aju8@4ax.com...
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:35:48 GMT, "BoD ! © 2005"
<BoD@The-House-of-God.org> spake thusly:
==>>_____________________________________________________
==>>
==>> The Revelation of Jesus Christ concerning his coming:
==>>_____________________________________________________
==>
==>
==>"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see
==>him, and they also which pierced him" - Revelation 1:7a
==>
==>Note: EVEN THEY WHO PIERCED HIM.
==>
==>That must be a first century return, since that's when
==>those who PIERCED Him lived.
YOUR ERROR IS YOU BELIEVE YOUR GOING TO DIE !
YOU ARE ETERNAL !
YOU JUST DONT KNOW IT YET !
Physically, we are not.
Right !
So that means Spiritualy ?
YOU ARE !
You are avoiding the issue brought up.
But you know that already.
You are a foolish boy, who also avoided the point made
below.
I havent ignored your point. I agree with you. I,am just expounding and
pointing to the "POINT" in time when all that was did see. and all that is
will see and all to come will see him come in Power and Glory. Then @ that
point when "in time" Which is the eternal Now is reached by all.
You are not agreeing with me, when I pointed out that
the Scripture teaches a first century return and you
claim He has yet to return. Thus, you did completely
ignore my point, by trying to dodge it with your
"eternal" garbage, when the subject was about them
still being physically alive.
"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see
him, and they also which pierced him" - Revelation 1:7a
Note: EVEN THEY WHO PIERCED HIM.
That must be a first century return, since that's when
those who PIERCED Him lived.
And this isn't saying that they'll see Him when they're
resurrected, since what's taught is that the world sees
Him coming and THEN the resurrection happens. So,
in order for those who PIERCED Him to SEE HIM COMING,
they MUST still be alive when He comes.
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
"Be strong all people of the land. Do not fear."
"If you will not believe, surely you will not be
established." - Jehovah
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| User: "sha^qad" |
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| Title: Re: The Revelation of Jesus Christ concerning his coming |
15 Oct 2005 12:28:58 AM |
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William M. Price wrote:
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:38:22 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
==>On 13 Oct 2005 23:42:55 -0700, "sha^qad"
==><shaqad@netzero.com> spake thusly:
==>
==>>
==>>
==>>_____________________________________________________
==>>
==>> The Revelation of Jesus Christ concerning his coming:
==>>_____________________________________________________
==>
==>
==>"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see
==>him, and they also which pierced him" - Revelation 1:7a
==>
==>Note: EVEN THEY WHO PIERCED HIM.
==>
==>That must be a first century return, since that's when
==>those who PIERCED Him lived.
==>
==>And this isn't saying that they'll see Him when they're
==>resurrected, since what's taught is that the world sees
==>Him coming and THEN the resurrection happens. So,
==>in order for those who PIERCED Him to SEE HIM COMING,
==>they MUST still be alive when He comes.
Did every eye see Him coming? No! Come on, because if it did not fit
part, it does not fit all. I wish preterism would return back to the
pit it crawled out from under.
In Jesus Name,
Bro. Bill Price
The Apostolic Defender
http://www.apostolicjesusname.com
Mr Price, Mr Dave, To whom it may concern...
I have presented this study because I have begun to see it, that does
not necessarily mean I have fully begun to believe it, but some of the
points made are hard to ignore or repute, like this one:
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to
shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he
sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Notice how The Revelation begins: "to shew unto his servants things
which must shortly come to pass"..
To show unto... whom ?
The things that must... what ?
Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of
Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of
this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the
time is at hand.
"For the time is at hand".
How can we who sincerely seek truth explain this away?...Please, if you
can, do so.
What do they say about that at the round table or seminary? ( I have
never heard it mentioned. )
I think one of the most interesting points I made is concerning
Jerusalem being trodden by the gentiles, and how it related to "that"
generation of vipers. But many feel it is a future event. (Actually, I
did not make the point, Christ did. I just pointed it out. )
I have put togather an even better presentation into hotmail, adding
more scripture and I fixed a couple errors, and if you have some time,
I invite you to read it (all) and share it with others who study the
Bible, and you are most welcome to point out any error. Because I
really do seek truth, and really-really dont want to offend the LORD
(JEHOVAH) or my Lord JESUS. But I must hear his words, all of them, we
all should, and im sure it does not offend him for us to hear his
words, all of them.
"The Revelation of Jesus Christ concerning his coming" is online at:
http://www.angelfire.com/oz2/shaqad/The_Revelation_of_Jesus_Christ_concerning_his_coming.html
Shaq
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: The Revelation of Jesus Christ concerning his coming |
15 Oct 2005 01:45:24 AM |
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On 14 Oct 2005 22:28:58 -0700, "sha^qad"
<shaqad@netzero.com> spake thusly:
==>> The Revelation of Jesus Christ concerning his coming:
==>>_____________________________________________________
==>
==>
==>"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see
==>him, and they also which pierced him" - Revelation 1:7a
==>
==>Note: EVEN THEY WHO PIERCED HIM.
==>
==>That must be a first century return, since that's when
==>those who PIERCED Him lived.
==>
==>And this isn't saying that they'll see Him when they're
==>resurrected, since what's taught is that the world sees
==>Him coming and THEN the resurrection happens. So,
==>in order for those who PIERCED Him to SEE HIM COMING,
==>they MUST still be alive when He comes.
Did every eye see Him coming? No! Come on, because if it did not fit
part, it does not fit all. I wish preterism would return back to the
pit it crawled out from under.
In Jesus Name,
Bro. Bill Price
The Apostolic Defender
http://www.apostolicjesusname.com
Mr Price, Mr Dave, To whom it may concern...
I have presented this study because I have begun to see it, that does
not necessarily mean I have fully begun to believe it, but some of the
points made are hard to ignore or repute, like this one:
Jesus said those who pierced Him would be alive to see
Him return.
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to
shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he
sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Notice how The Revelation begins: "to shew unto his servants things
which must shortly come to pass"..
To show unto... whom ?
The things that must... what ?
Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of
Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of
this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the
time is at hand.
"For the time is at hand".
How can we who sincerely seek truth explain this away?...Please, if you
can, do so.
What do they say about that at the round table or seminary? ( I have
never heard it mentioned. )
I think one of the most interesting points I made is concerning
Jerusalem being trodden by the gentiles, and how it related to "that"
generation of vipers. But many feel it is a future event. (Actually, I
did not make the point, Christ did. I just pointed it out. )
I have put togather an even better presentation into hotmail, adding
more scripture and I fixed a couple errors, and if you have some time,
I invite you to read it (all) and share it with others who study the
Bible, and you are most welcome to point out any error. Because I
really do seek truth, and really-really dont want to offend the LORD
(JEHOVAH) or my Lord JESUS. But I must hear his words, all of them, we
all should, and im sure it does not offend him for us to hear his
words, all of them.
The fact is, He said it would be within the generation
alive at the time He said it.
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
"Be strong all people of the land. Do not fear."
"If you will not believe, surely you will not be
established." - Jehovah
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| User: "Saint Zombie" |
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| Title: Re: The Revelation of Jesus Christ concerning his coming |
15 Oct 2005 11:02:40 AM |
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On 14 Oct 2005 22:28:58 -0700, "sha^qad" <shaqad@netzero.com> wrote:
and I fixed a couple errors
Lesson #1:
It's not worth the effort to assume in "your own" understanding.
Question #1:
How many of those same errors still exist in the "Holy-less" Bible?
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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| Title: Re: The Revelation of Jesus Christ concerning his coming |
14 Oct 2005 06:27:19 AM |
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The Revelation of Jesus Christ concerning his coming:
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haven't we heard quite enough about his orgasms?
the only good god is a DEAD, non-existant god
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| User: "the14thdisciple" |
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| Title: Re: The Revelation of Jesus Christ concerning his coming |
14 Oct 2005 07:20:35 AM |
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mister SheBlew you are Forgetting that The Loard Are God is a mirthiful
one, always ready for a chuckle. peapel Like Shagged are hear so that
he might heareth thear daft rants and hafe a lauff at what thease
nutters dream up next! if He wear DEAD then thease crazy folk wouldst
probberley shut up and we Wouldst ALL lose this uneaque chance we hafe
to fined them funny!
now As hugh probberley know, he Is a powerful diety, perfetley caperble
of wiping out life on this Plannet with a raise of his eyebrow (a bit
like Rodger Moore does as james Bond) and if we Really HAD pissed him
off like our Freand mister Shagged reckons, he'd hafe raised that
eyebrow well befoar now so i Think it is fairley safe to say he issent
likely to do that at any stage.
the Loard knoweth that Shagged and his Freands Mister Sick-sick-sicks,
Doar Wiliemson and colween Baldrick can hafe No Idea Whatsoeaver about
any kined of 'eternal Plan' he might hafe becasue he hath NOT revealed
thoase plans to any of them. why, NOT eaven the Poap in Roam knows of
thoase plans!
for My part i Like to beleave that Lenny Bruce, Dave Allen and Les
Dawson are amongst The gods trusted troupe of advisers and that his
Intentians are far moare Amusing for the likes of us Mear Moartals to
comperihend.
so When he hears Shagged and Dour and Collette going on about fire and
Brimstoan, little Lambs and sheapheards, being 'placed low' (no, i Do
NOT know what that juan means either) he sitteth up thear in his
Heavenly Thong and laughs until His Erection goes soft!
i Am a bit like him in that respect (no i Do NOT mean that my erection
goes soft becasue i Can NOT get one) becasue i fined it Soooo easy to
picture them while they are Wrighting thear reverend words; in thear
jarmies and slippers, or maybe With a leftover plate of pie and chips
on thear kitchen tabel ...
Doar hath got a parakeet, buy the whey ...
loav form 14
http://www.littleboxes.nl/omroep
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