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Topic: Religions > Bible
User: "SJAB1958"
Date: 20 Oct 2006 08:17:34 AM
Object: The Serpent In The Garden
I have puzzled over the serpent that turned up in the Garden of Eden,
and when I have asked various folks about it I have been given one of
two different answers.
The first is that the serpent was possessed by the will of Satan.
The second is that the serpent is Satan himself.
Neither of these answers makes sense when you examine Genesis 3:1 and
Genesis 3:14 through literal interpretation.
The serpent was one of God's "beasts of the field" not Satan, not even
possessed by Satan.
And there is nothing in the Bible - on a literal interpretation basis -
that proves otherwise.
Yet the people who gave me those answers above, are insistent that
their answers are the truth.
.

User: "_AnonCoward"

Title: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 04 Nov 2006 08:31:31 AM
"SJAB1958" <balfres@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161350254.266549.217420@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
:
: I have puzzled over the serpent that turned up in the Garden of Eden,
: and when I have asked various folks about it I have been given one
: of two different answers.
:
: The first is that the serpent was possessed by the will of Satan.
:
: The second is that the serpent is Satan himself.
:
: Neither of these answers makes sense when you examine Genesis 3:1
: and Genesis 3:14 through literal interpretation.
:
: The serpent was one of God's "beasts of the field" not Satan, not
: even possessed by Satan.
:
: And there is nothing in the Bible - on a literal interpretation
: basis - that proves otherwise.
:
: Yet the people who gave me those answers above, are insistent that
: their answers are the truth.
What I find to be a much more interesting question is the existence of
the tree of life in the 2nd creation narrative. Why was it there and
who was it for? And why does it reappear in the book of Revelations?
Ralf
--
AA #2250
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* ^~^ ^~^ *
* _ {~ ~} {~ ~} _ *
* /_``>*< >*<''_\ *
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Those who assert that scripture is inerrant or is to be
understood literally invariably find themselves confronted
with the need to ignore or distort the plain meaning of the
text. In the process, they change the scriptures to bring
them into conformance with their doctrine rather than
modifying their doctrine to bring it into conformance with
scripture.
.
User: "Ye Old One"

Title: Re: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 04 Nov 2006 09:11:41 AM
On 4 Nov 2006 06:31:31 -0800, "_AnonCoward" <ta2@secavian.com>
enriched this group when s/he wrote:


"SJAB1958" <balfres@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161350254.266549.217420@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
:
: I have puzzled over the serpent that turned up in the Garden of Eden,
: and when I have asked various folks about it I have been given one
: of two different answers.
:
: The first is that the serpent was possessed by the will of Satan.
:
: The second is that the serpent is Satan himself.
:
: Neither of these answers makes sense when you examine Genesis 3:1
: and Genesis 3:14 through literal interpretation.
:
: The serpent was one of God's "beasts of the field" not Satan, not
: even possessed by Satan.
:
: And there is nothing in the Bible - on a literal interpretation
: basis - that proves otherwise.
:
: Yet the people who gave me those answers above, are insistent that
: their answers are the truth.


What I find to be a much more interesting question is the existence of
the tree of life in the 2nd creation narrative. Why was it there and
who was it for? And why does it reappear in the book of Revelations?


Ralf

I think you will find it is pinched from an earlier Babylonian myth.
--
Bob.
.
User: "_AnonCoward"

Title: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 05 Nov 2006 10:43:33 AM
Ye Old One wrote:

On 4 Nov 2006 06:31:31 -0800, "_AnonCoward" <ta2@secavian.com>
enriched this group when s/he wrote:


"SJAB1958" <balfres@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161350254.266549.217420@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
:
: I have puzzled over the serpent that turned up in the Garden of Eden,
: and when I have asked various folks about it I have been given one
: of two different answers.
:
: The first is that the serpent was possessed by the will of Satan.
:
: The second is that the serpent is Satan himself.
:
: Neither of these answers makes sense when you examine Genesis 3:1
: and Genesis 3:14 through literal interpretation.
:
: The serpent was one of God's "beasts of the field" not Satan, not
: even possessed by Satan.
:
: And there is nothing in the Bible - on a literal interpretation
: basis - that proves otherwise.
:
: Yet the people who gave me those answers above, are insistent that
: their answers are the truth.


What I find to be a much more interesting question is the existence of
the tree of life in the 2nd creation narrative. Why was it there and
who was it for? And why does it reappear in the book of Revelations?


Ralf


I think you will find it is pinched from an earlier Babylonian myth.

--
Bob.

I suspect you are correct in that. However, my question is in keeping
with the theme that SJAB has been following of late which is how does
one reconcile this within the framework of biblical literalism? If the
earth was created in six 24 hour days, Adam and Eve were literal,
historical persons and they ate of a physical fruit from a physical
tree (The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil), then one would
presume the Tree of Life was also an equally literal reference. If so,
then who was it for and why?
Ralf--
AA #2250
-------------------------------------------------------------
* ^~^ ^~^ *
* _ {~ ~} {~ ~} _ *
* /_``>*< >*<''_\ *
* (\--_)++) (++(_--/) *
-------------------------------------------------------------
Those who assert that scripture is inerrant or is to be
understood literally invariably find themselves confronted
with the need to ignore or distort the plain meaning of the
text. In the process, they change the scriptures to bring
them into conformance with their doctrine rather than
modifying their doctrine to bring it into conformance with
scripture.
.



User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr."

Title: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 20 Oct 2006 10:20:13 AM
"SJAB1958" <balfres@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161350254.266549.217420@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...

I have puzzled over the serpent that turned up in the Garden of Eden,
and when I have asked various folks about it I have been given one of
two different answers.

The first is that the serpent was possessed by the will of Satan.

The second is that the serpent is Satan himself.

Neither of these answers makes sense when you examine Genesis 3:1 and
Genesis 3:14 through literal interpretation.

The serpent was one of God's "beasts of the field" not Satan, not even
possessed by Satan.

And there is nothing in the Bible - on a literal interpretation basis -
that proves otherwise.

Duh.
That's becasue it's not literal.
"Cattle, creeping things, beasts of the field, and fowls of the air" are
prophetic symbols for the Gentiles, as per God's vision to Peter telling him
to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles.
So there is a literal interpretation to the story, but the literalism is
couched in prophetic symbols.

Yet the people who gave me those answers above, are insistent that
their answers are the truth.

Yes, but when you're told the truth, you reject that, too.
Ike
www.eickleberrybooks.com
.
User: "Libertarius"

Title: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 20 Oct 2006 10:34:18 PM
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. wrote:

"SJAB1958" <balfres@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161350254.266549.217420@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...

I have puzzled over the serpent that turned up in the Garden of Eden,
and when I have asked various folks about it I have been given one of
two different answers.

The first is that the serpent was possessed by the will of Satan.

The second is that the serpent is Satan himself.

Neither of these answers makes sense when you examine Genesis 3:1 and
Genesis 3:14 through literal interpretation.

The serpent was one of God's "beasts of the field" not Satan, not even
possessed by Satan.

And there is nothing in the Bible - on a literal interpretation basis -
that proves otherwise.



Duh.

That's becasue it's not literal.

"Cattle, creeping things, beasts of the field, and fowls of the air" are
prophetic symbols for the Gentiles, as per God's vision to Peter telling him
to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles.

===>That is NUTS! -- L.
.

User: "Bill M"

Title: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 21 Oct 2006 01:30:47 PM
When are you going to wake up to the fact that the Bibles are no more than
myths, fables and implausible tales!
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <Yeickleberrybooks@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:eMmdnTo0loaxdKXYnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@comcast.com...

"SJAB1958" <balfres@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161350254.266549.217420@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...

I have puzzled over the serpent that turned up in the Garden of Eden,
and when I have asked various folks about it I have been given one of
two different answers.

The first is that the serpent was possessed by the will of Satan.

The second is that the serpent is Satan himself.

Neither of these answers makes sense when you examine Genesis 3:1 and
Genesis 3:14 through literal interpretation.

The serpent was one of God's "beasts of the field" not Satan, not even
possessed by Satan.

And there is nothing in the Bible - on a literal interpretation basis -
that proves otherwise.


Duh.

That's becasue it's not literal.

"Cattle, creeping things, beasts of the field, and fowls of the air" are
prophetic symbols for the Gentiles, as per God's vision to Peter telling
him to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles.

So there is a literal interpretation to the story, but the literalism is
couched in prophetic symbols.

Yet the people who gave me those answers above, are insistent that
their answers are the truth.


Yes, but when you're told the truth, you reject that, too.

Ike

www.eickleberrybooks.com

.


User: "Lee Oswald Ving"

Title: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 20 Oct 2006 09:49:11 AM
"SJAB1958" <balfres@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1161350254.266549.217420
@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:

And there is nothing in the Bible - on a literal interpretation basis -
that proves otherwise.

It's worse than that. There is no singular "Satan" figure in the OT, nor is
there the concept of such in Midrash and the like. In fact, it is sdirectly
contradicted.
It's one of many popular non-scriptural Christian beliefs, but pointing
this out is seldom a good way to make friends with a large part of the
Christian set.
.
User: "Zorg"

Title: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 20 Oct 2006 07:40:18 PM
"Lee Oswald Ving" <leeoving@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns986263E8B7C70leeovingyahoocom@208.49.80.60...

"SJAB1958" <balfres@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1161350254.266549.217420
@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:


And there is nothing in the Bible - on a literal interpretation basis -
that proves otherwise.


It's worse than that. There is no singular "Satan" figure in the OT, nor
is
there the concept of such in Midrash and the like. In fact, it is
sdirectly
contradicted.

By saying "no singular Satan figure" you mean what exactly? The
existence of demons?

It's one of many popular non-scriptural Christian beliefs, but pointing
this out is seldom a good way to make friends with a large part of the
Christian set.

I see. So the idea of "Satan" is "non-scriptural"? And this assertion
of yours would not be contradicted by the fact that the word "satan"
comes directly from Scripture itself?
So Scripture teaches that Satan exists, yet your conclusion is that
Satan is not "scriptural"? Impeccable logic. Did you learn that in
science class?
~Zorg
.
User: "Lee Oswald Ving"

Title: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 20 Oct 2006 08:39:16 PM
"Zorg" <feeling@home.org> wrote in
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I see. So the idea of "Satan" is "non-scriptural"? And this assertion
of yours would not be contradicted by the fact that the word "satan"
comes directly from Scripture itself?

So Scripture teaches that Satan exists, yet your conclusion is that
Satan is not "scriptural"? Impeccable logic. Did you learn that in
science class?

Nice argument you're having with yourself. Do you do that often?
.


User: "Desertphile"

Title: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 20 Oct 2006 12:00:21 PM
Lee Oswald Ving wrote:

"SJAB1958" <balfres@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1161350254.266549.217420
@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:


And there is nothing in the Bible - on a literal interpretation basis -
that proves otherwise.

It's worse than that. There is no singular "Satan" figure in the OT, nor is
there the concept of such in Midrash and the like. In fact, it is sdirectly
contradicted.

It's one of many popular non-scriptural Christian beliefs, but pointing
this out is seldom a good way to make friends with a large part of the
Christian set.

"Snake" in Genesis means "Snake." The myth was taken from the much
earlier Vedic Utpanishads. As you noted, Christians have made a god out
of Snake, which is very silly of them--- their Satan god is
anti-biblical and anti-Christian.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 20 Oct 2006 03:24:06 PM
Desertphile wrote:

Lee Oswald Ving wrote:

"SJAB1958" <balfres@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1161350254.266549.217420
@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:


And there is nothing in the Bible - on a literal interpretation basis -
that proves otherwise.


It's worse than that. There is no singular "Satan" figure in the OT, nor is
there the concept of such in Midrash and the like. In fact, it is sdirectly
contradicted.

It's one of many popular non-scriptural Christian beliefs, but pointing
this out is seldom a good way to make friends with a large part of the
Christian set.


"Snake" in Genesis means "Snake." The myth was taken from the much
earlier Vedic Utpanishads.

Can you give any citation for that?
Do you have a manuscript that says, "I Moses borrowed from the Vedic
Utpanishads"?
JM
As you noted, Christians have made a god out

of Snake, which is very silly of them--- their Satan god is
anti-biblical and anti-Christian.

.
User: "Lee Oswald Ving"

Title: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 20 Oct 2006 03:57:38 PM
wrote in
news:mccoy-1161375846.753905.138890@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:


Desertphile wrote:

Lee Oswald Ving wrote:

"SJAB1958" <balfres@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1161350254.266549.217420 @e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:


And there is nothing in the Bible - on a literal interpretation
basis - that proves otherwise.


It's worse than that. There is no singular "Satan" figure in the
OT, nor is there the concept of such in Midrash and the like. In
fact, it is sdirectly contradicted.

It's one of many popular non-scriptural Christian beliefs, but
pointing this out is seldom a good way to make friends with a large
part of the Christian set.


"Snake" in Genesis means "Snake." The myth was taken from the much
earlier Vedic Utpanishads.


Can you give any citation for that?

Would you listen?

Do you have a manuscript that says, "I Moses borrowed from the Vedic
Utpanishads"?

Do you have a manuscript that says, "I, Moses, wrote the Old Testament?"
I know the answer, BTW. I'm interested in seeing if you go with the
Official Lie, or make up one of your own.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 20 Oct 2006 04:49:29 PM
Lee Oswald Ving wrote:

mccoy@sunset.net wrote in
news:mccoy-1161375846.753905.138890@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:


Desertphile wrote:

Lee Oswald Ving wrote:

"SJAB1958" <balfres@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1161350254.266549.217420 @e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:


And there is nothing in the Bible - on a literal interpretation
basis - that proves otherwise.


It's worse than that. There is no singular "Satan" figure in the
OT, nor is there the concept of such in Midrash and the like. In
fact, it is sdirectly contradicted.

It's one of many popular non-scriptural Christian beliefs, but
pointing this out is seldom a good way to make friends with a large
part of the Christian set.


"Snake" in Genesis means "Snake." The myth was taken from the much
earlier Vedic Utpanishads.


Can you give any citation for that?


Would you listen?

Do you have a manuscript that says, "I Moses borrowed from the Vedic
Utpanishads"?


Do you have a manuscript that says, "I, Moses, wrote the Old Testament?"

That's another question. But since I'm not making that contention right
now, I think we should debate the actual statement given. So then:
"The myth was taken from the much earlier Vedic Utpanishads" is the
claim that Desertphile made. I'd like him to document and prove that.
Which writer of Genesis wrote that he borrowed from the earlier Vedic
Utpanishads.
JM


I know the answer, BTW. I'm interested in seeing if you go with the
Official Lie, or make up one of your own.

.
User: "Lee Oswald Ving"

Title: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 20 Oct 2006 08:38:15 PM
wrote in news:mccoy-1161380968.966225.118720
@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:


Lee Oswald Ving wrote:

wrote in
news:mccoy-1161375846.753905.138890@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:


Desertphile wrote:

Lee Oswald Ving wrote:

"SJAB1958" <balfres@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:1161350254.266549.217420 @e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:


And there is nothing in the Bible - on a literal interpretation
basis - that proves otherwise.


It's worse than that. There is no singular "Satan" figure in the
OT, nor is there the concept of such in Midrash and the like. In
fact, it is sdirectly contradicted.

It's one of many popular non-scriptural Christian beliefs, but
pointing this out is seldom a good way to make friends with a

large

part of the Christian set.


"Snake" in Genesis means "Snake." The myth was taken from the much
earlier Vedic Utpanishads.


Can you give any citation for that?


Would you listen?

Do you have a manuscript that says, "I Moses borrowed from the Vedic
Utpanishads"?


Do you have a manuscript that says, "I, Moses, wrote the Old

Testament?"


That's another question.

Good for you. First thing you've said that makes sense in forever.
Not that it answered the question. You can correct that "oversight" now.
<snip>
.

User: "Ken Rode"

Title: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 20 Oct 2006 06:04:56 PM
wrote:

Lee Oswald Ving wrote:

<snip>

"The myth was taken from the much earlier Vedic Utpanishads" is the
claim that Desertphile made. I'd like him to document and prove that.
Which writer of Genesis wrote that he borrowed from the earlier Vedic
Utpanishads.

John, have you not considered how hypocritical it is to request someone
else to provide evidence for something when you are unwilling to
provide evidence for anything yourself?
<snip>
.
User: ""

Title: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 21 Oct 2006 09:43:17 PM
Ken Rode wrote:

mccoy@sunset.net wrote:

Lee Oswald Ving wrote:


<snip>

"The myth was taken from the much earlier Vedic Utpanishads" is the
claim that Desertphile made. I'd like him to document and prove that.
Which writer of Genesis wrote that he borrowed from the earlier Vedic
Utpanishads.


John, have you not considered how hypocritical it is to request someone
else to provide evidence for something when you are unwilling to
provide evidence for anything yourself?

That's ridiculous and irrelevant. Desertphile claimed that "the myth
was taken from the earlier Vedic Utpanishads" and since that is his
contention surely he would have some evidence for that. Otherwise it
is just pure unsubstantiated opinion. If your contention is that I'm
hypocritical in my beliefs regarding Genesis in not providing evidence,
well then, that isn't the question right now. He made a claim and I'm
challenging him to provide the evidence. If he should provide the
answer to his pontificial statement then we can go on to the next
question. Let's take this one at a time and let's not allow any
confusion in this.
JM


<snip>

.
User: "Gerry Murphy"

Title: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 23 Oct 2006 07:15:51 PM
<mccoy@sunset.net> wrote in message
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Ken Rode wrote:

mccoy@sunset.net wrote:

Lee Oswald Ving wrote:


<snip>

"The myth was taken from the much earlier Vedic Utpanishads" is the
claim that Desertphile made. I'd like him to document and prove that.
Which writer of Genesis wrote that he borrowed from the earlier Vedic
Utpanishads.


John, have you not considered how hypocritical it is to request someone
else to provide evidence for something when you are unwilling to
provide evidence for anything yourself?


That's ridiculous and irrelevant.

<snip>
No, McDude, on this, day 124 of the McPiltdown death march it's very
relevant.
You dare not press anybody else in this fashion when you're such a glaring
FAILURE.
We continue to await your citation.
Sayonara, McLaughingstock.
.

User: "Lee Oswald Ving"

Title: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 22 Oct 2006 09:02:22 AM
wrote in
news:mccoy-1161484997.727511.127000@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:


Ken Rode wrote:

wrote:

Lee Oswald Ving wrote:


<snip>

"The myth was taken from the much earlier Vedic Utpanishads" is the
claim that Desertphile made. I'd like him to document and prove
that. Which writer of Genesis wrote that he borrowed from the
earlier Vedic Utpanishads.


John, have you not considered how hypocritical it is to request
someone else to provide evidence for something when you are unwilling
to provide evidence for anything yourself?


That's ridiculous and irrelevant.

No, McCoy, it's exactly the point.

Desertphile claimed that "the myth
was taken from the earlier Vedic Utpanishads" and since that is his
contention surely he would have some evidence for that. Otherwise it
is just pure unsubstantiated opinion.

Yes, but you *like* those...when they're yours.

If your contention is that I'm
hypocritical in my beliefs regarding Genesis in not providing
evidence, well then, that isn't the question right now.

It's not a question, and it is the subject if you're going to demand
everyone else play by the rules you ignore.

He made a claim and I'm
challenging him to provide the evidence.

Until you can start supporting your own, numerous claims, you have no
right to do so.

If he should provide the
answer to his pontificial statement then we can go on to the next
question.

If you already operated in this fashion, you wouldn't be here bitching
now.

Let's take this one at a time and let's not allow any
confusion in this.

Okay.
You can start the very long process with an orange-covered textbook,
published in the millions, that contains Piltdown man as evidence for
evolution.
I figure that if you properly support just one of your insane ravings
just once a day (without making any new ones in the process), we'll be
able to have a nice conversation on the Vedic writings...in about a
year.
.

User: "Ken Rode"

Title: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 21 Oct 2006 09:51:13 PM
wrote:

Ken Rode wrote:

mccoy@sunset.net wrote:

Lee Oswald Ving wrote:


<snip>

"The myth was taken from the much earlier Vedic Utpanishads" is the
claim that Desertphile made. I'd like him to document and prove that.
Which writer of Genesis wrote that he borrowed from the earlier Vedic
Utpanishads.


John, have you not considered how hypocritical it is to request someone
else to provide evidence for something when you are unwilling to
provide evidence for anything yourself?


That's ridiculous and irrelevant. Desertphile claimed that "the myth
was taken from the earlier Vedic Utpanishads" and since that is his
contention surely he would have some evidence for that. Otherwise it
is just pure unsubstantiated opinion. If your contention is that I'm
hypocritical in my beliefs regarding Genesis in not providing evidence,
well then, that isn't the question right now. He made a claim and I'm
challenging him to provide the evidence. If he should provide the
answer to his pontificial statement then we can go on to the next
question. Let's take this one at a time and let's not allow any
confusion in this.

I agree that we should take this one at a time. Once you've provided
evidence to support your "Piltdown Man millions of textbooks" claim,
we'll hold Desertphile to his Genesis claim. Agreed?
.

User: "Ye Old One"

Title: Re: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 22 Oct 2006 02:58:28 AM
On 21 Oct 2006 19:43:17 -0700,
enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ken Rode wrote:

wrote:

Lee Oswald Ving wrote:


<snip>

"The myth was taken from the much earlier Vedic Utpanishads" is the
claim that Desertphile made. I'd like him to document and prove that.
Which writer of Genesis wrote that he borrowed from the earlier Vedic
Utpanishads.


John, have you not considered how hypocritical it is to request someone
else to provide evidence for something when you are unwilling to
provide evidence for anything yourself?


That's ridiculous and irrelevant. Desertphile claimed that "the myth
was taken from the earlier Vedic Utpanishads" and since that is his
contention surely he would have some evidence for that.

And for almost anyone else I'm sure people would be running round
trying to help find evidence for you. But considering YOU past posting
record, and the total disrespect you show people by not providing
evidence, why should anyone do anything for you McClueless?

Otherwise it
is just pure unsubstantiated opinion.

Just like 99.999999999% of all of your posts McClueless.

If your contention is that I'm
hypocritical in my beliefs regarding Genesis in not providing evidence,
well then, that isn't the question right now.

Yes it is McClueless. I've said, provide the cites on the Piltdown Man
textbooks an I will not rest until I've either found the evidence you
ask for or reached a conclusion that the claim is wrong.
You first McClueless, you are LONG overdue.

He made a claim and I'm
challenging him to provide the evidence.

Just as you have been challenged sooooooooooooo many times in the
past. So you first McClueless, YOU FIRST.

If he should provide the
answer to his pontificial statement then we can go on to the next
question. Let's take this one at a time and let's not allow any
confusion in this.

I agree, one step at a time. Start with the titles, authors and
publishers of the textbook you think sold in such large numbers that
"millions" of textbooks existed to promote Piltdown Man as a
cornerstone of evolution.


JM

--
Bob.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 25 Oct 2006 12:51:23 PM
Ye Old One wrote:

On 21 Oct 2006 19:43:17 -0700,

enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ken Rode wrote:

wrote:

Lee Oswald Ving wrote:


<snip>

"The myth was taken from the much earlier Vedic Utpanishads" is the
claim that Desertphile made. I'd like him to document and prove that.
Which writer of Genesis wrote that he borrowed from the earlier Vedic
Utpanishads.


John, have you not considered how hypocritical it is to request someone
else to provide evidence for something when you are unwilling to
provide evidence for anything yourself?


That's ridiculous and irrelevant. Desertphile claimed that "the myth
was taken from the earlier Vedic Utpanishads" and since that is his
contention surely he would have some evidence for that.


And for almost anyone else I'm sure people would be running round
trying to help find evidence for you. But considering YOU past posting
record, and the total disrespect you show people by not providing
evidence, why should anyone do anything for you McClueless?

Logic alert!!! Bob decides to focus on attacking me rather that
answering how the Bible takes from "earlier Vedic Utpanishads".
JM


Otherwise it
is just pure unsubstantiated opinion.


Just like 99.999999999% of all of your posts McClueless.

If your contention is that I'm
hypocritical in my beliefs regarding Genesis in not providing evidence,
well then, that isn't the question right now.


Yes it is McClueless. I've said, provide the cites on the Piltdown Man
textbooks an I will not rest until I've either found the evidence you
ask for or reached a conclusion that the claim is wrong.

You first McClueless, you are LONG overdue.

He made a claim and I'm
challenging him to provide the evidence.


Just as you have been challenged sooooooooooooo many times in the
past. So you first McClueless, YOU FIRST.

If he should provide the
answer to his pontificial statement then we can go on to the next
question. Let's take this one at a time and let's not allow any
confusion in this.


I agree, one step at a time. Start with the titles, authors and
publishers of the textbook you think sold in such large numbers that
"millions" of textbooks existed to promote Piltdown Man as a
cornerstone of evolution.


JM


--
Bob.

.
User: "Ye Old One"

Title: Re: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 25 Oct 2006 02:46:07 PM
On 25 Oct 2006 10:51:23 -0700,
enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ye Old One wrote:

On 21 Oct 2006 19:43:17 -0700,

enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ken Rode wrote:

wrote:

Lee Oswald Ving wrote:


<snip>

"The myth was taken from the much earlier Vedic Utpanishads" is the
claim that Desertphile made. I'd like him to document and prove that.
Which writer of Genesis wrote that he borrowed from the earlier Vedic
Utpanishads.


John, have you not considered how hypocritical it is to request someone
else to provide evidence for something when you are unwilling to
provide evidence for anything yourself?


That's ridiculous and irrelevant. Desertphile claimed that "the myth
was taken from the earlier Vedic Utpanishads" and since that is his
contention surely he would have some evidence for that.


And for almost anyone else I'm sure people would be running round
trying to help find evidence for you. But considering YOU past posting
record, and the total disrespect you show people by not providing
evidence, why should anyone do anything for you McClueless?


Logic alert!!! Bob decides to focus on attacking me rather that
answering how the Bible takes from "earlier Vedic Utpanishads".

Moron alert!!!!!! McClueless can't get it through his thick skull that
HE needs to answer long outstanding questions before HE gets the right
to ask others questions.


JM




Otherwise it
is just pure unsubstantiated opinion.


Just like 99.999999999% of all of your posts McClueless.

If your contention is that I'm
hypocritical in my beliefs regarding Genesis in not providing evidence,
well then, that isn't the question right now.


Yes it is McClueless. I've said, provide the cites on the Piltdown Man
textbooks an I will not rest until I've either found the evidence you
ask for or reached a conclusion that the claim is wrong.

You first McClueless, you are LONG overdue.

He made a claim and I'm
challenging him to provide the evidence.


Just as you have been challenged sooooooooooooo many times in the
past. So you first McClueless, YOU FIRST.

If he should provide the
answer to his pontificial statement then we can go on to the next
question. Let's take this one at a time and let's not allow any
confusion in this.


I agree, one step at a time. Start with the titles, authors and
publishers of the textbook you think sold in such large numbers that
"millions" of textbooks existed to promote Piltdown Man as a
cornerstone of evolution.


JM


--
Bob.

Abuse reported.
--
Bob.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 25 Oct 2006 02:50:21 PM
Ye Old One wrote:

On 25 Oct 2006 10:51:23 -0700,

enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ye Old One wrote:

On 21 Oct 2006 19:43:17 -0700,

enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ken Rode wrote:

wrote:

Lee Oswald Ving wrote:


<snip>

"The myth was taken from the much earlier Vedic Utpanishads" is the
claim that Desertphile made. I'd like him to document and prove that.
Which writer of Genesis wrote that he borrowed from the earlier Vedic
Utpanishads.


John, have you not considered how hypocritical it is to request someone
else to provide evidence for something when you are unwilling to
provide evidence for anything yourself?


That's ridiculous and irrelevant. Desertphile claimed that "the myth
was taken from the earlier Vedic Utpanishads" and since that is his
contention surely he would have some evidence for that.


And for almost anyone else I'm sure people would be running round
trying to help find evidence for you. But considering YOU past posting
record, and the total disrespect you show people by not providing
evidence, why should anyone do anything for you McClueless?


Logic alert!!! Bob decides to focus on attacking me rather that
answering how the Bible takes from "earlier Vedic Utpanishads".


Moron alert!!!!!! McClueless can't get it through his thick skull that
HE needs to answer long outstanding questions before HE gets the right
to ask others questions.

Not so. I reiterate Logic Alert!!! Bob decides to focus on attacking
me rather than answering how the Bible takes from "earlier Vedic
Utpanishads". The fact is such a question has never been answered on
talk.origins and Bob knows that he cannot answer it so he is now
attempting to attack rather than answer.
JM


JM




Otherwise it
is just pure unsubstantiated opinion.


Just like 99.999999999% of all of your posts McClueless.

If your contention is that I'm
hypocritical in my beliefs regarding Genesis in not providing evidence,
well then, that isn't the question right now.


Yes it is McClueless. I've said, provide the cites on the Piltdown Man
textbooks an I will not rest until I've either found the evidence you
ask for or reached a conclusion that the claim is wrong.

You first McClueless, you are LONG overdue.

He made a claim and I'm
challenging him to provide the evidence.


Just as you have been challenged sooooooooooooo many times in the
past. So you first McClueless, YOU FIRST.

If he should provide the
answer to his pontificial statement then we can go on to the next
question. Let's take this one at a time and let's not allow any
confusion in this.


I agree, one step at a time. Start with the titles, authors and
publishers of the textbook you think sold in such large numbers that
"millions" of textbooks existed to promote Piltdown Man as a
cornerstone of evolution.


JM


--
Bob.


Abuse reported.

--
Bob.

.
User: "Ye Old One"

Title: Re: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 25 Oct 2006 05:45:28 PM
On 25 Oct 2006 12:50:21 -0700,
enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ye Old One wrote:

On 25 Oct 2006 10:51:23 -0700,

enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ye Old One wrote:

On 21 Oct 2006 19:43:17 -0700,

enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ken Rode wrote:

wrote:

Lee Oswald Ving wrote:


<snip>

"The myth was taken from the much earlier Vedic Utpanishads" is the
claim that Desertphile made. I'd like him to document and prove that.
Which writer of Genesis wrote that he borrowed from the earlier Vedic
Utpanishads.


John, have you not considered how hypocritical it is to request someone
else to provide evidence for something when you are unwilling to
provide evidence for anything yourself?


That's ridiculous and irrelevant. Desertphile claimed that "the myth
was taken from the earlier Vedic Utpanishads" and since that is his
contention surely he would have some evidence for that.


And for almost anyone else I'm sure people would be running round
trying to help find evidence for you. But considering YOU past posting
record, and the total disrespect you show people by not providing
evidence, why should anyone do anything for you McClueless?


Logic alert!!! Bob decides to focus on attacking me rather that
answering how the Bible takes from "earlier Vedic Utpanishads".


Moron alert!!!!!! McClueless can't get it through his thick skull that
HE needs to answer long outstanding questions before HE gets the right
to ask others questions.


Not so.

Yes - most certainly so.

I reiterate Logic Alert!!! Bob decides to focus on attacking
me rather than answering how the Bible takes from "earlier Vedic
Utpanishads". The fact is such a question has never been answered on
talk.origins and Bob knows that he cannot answer it so he is now
attempting to attack rather than answer.

Moron alert! Moron alert! Moron alert! Moron alert! Moron alert!
McClueless can't get it through his thick skull that HE needs to
answer long outstanding questions before HE gets the right to ask
other people questions or to demand cites.
Tell you what McClueless. You come up with the cites regarding you lie
that "millions of textbooks" used Piltdown Man as important evidence
for evolution - and I'll not rest until I've either confirmed the
Vedic claim, or disproved it.
But you first McClueless, you have been running away from it for over
4 months now so it has to be you first.



JM

Oh, and McClueless, that is yet another abuse report you have earned.
You NSP must be getting fed up with you.
--
Bob.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 26 Oct 2006 07:01:31 PM
Ye Old One wrote:

On 25 Oct 2006 12:50:21 -0700,

enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ye Old One wrote:

On 25 Oct 2006 10:51:23 -0700,

enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ye Old One wrote:

On 21 Oct 2006 19:43:17 -0700,

enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ken Rode wrote:

wrote:

Lee Oswald Ving wrote:


<snip>

"The myth was taken from the much earlier Vedic Utpanishads" is the
claim that Desertphile made. I'd like him to document and prove that.
Which writer of Genesis wrote that he borrowed from the earlier Vedic
Utpanishads.


John, have you not considered how hypocritical it is to request someone
else to provide evidence for something when you are unwilling to
provide evidence for anything yourself?


That's ridiculous and irrelevant. Desertphile claimed that "the myth
was taken from the earlier Vedic Utpanishads" and since that is his
contention surely he would have some evidence for that.


And for almost anyone else I'm sure people would be running round
trying to help find evidence for you. But considering YOU past posting
record, and the total disrespect you show people by not providing
evidence, why should anyone do anything for you McClueless?


Logic alert!!! Bob decides to focus on attacking me rather that
answering how the Bible takes from "earlier Vedic Utpanishads".


Moron alert!!!!!! McClueless can't get it through his thick skull that
HE needs to answer long outstanding questions before HE gets the right
to ask others questions.


Not so.


Yes - most certainly so.

I reiterate Logic Alert!!! Bob decides to focus on attacking
me rather than answering how the Bible takes from "earlier Vedic
Utpanishads". The fact is such a question has never been answered on
talk.origins and Bob knows that he cannot answer it so he is now
attempting to attack rather than answer.


Moron alert! Moron alert! Moron alert! Moron alert! Moron alert!

Is that an alert telling us about your arrival? That instead of
writing "Logic Alert" you want me to state "Moron alert!" Because your
focus on personal attack is a logic fallacy. All you need to do, Bob,
is tell us how the Bible takes from "earlier Vedic Utpanishads" and you
will have settled the issue. But instead you try to avoid the issue,
then when countered, cry out "moron alert." Why can't you answer the
qeustion? The answer is you can't.
JM


McClueless can't get it through his thick skull that HE needs to
answer long outstanding questions before HE gets the right to ask
other people questions or to demand cites.

Tell you what McClueless. You come up with the cites regarding you lie
that "millions of textbooks" used Piltdown Man as important evidence
for evolution - and I'll not rest until I've either confirmed the
Vedic claim, or disproved it.

But you first McClueless, you have been running away from it for over
4 months now so it has to be you first.



JM


Oh, and McClueless, that is yet another abuse report you have earned.
You NSP must be getting fed up with you.

--
Bob.

.
User: "Earle Jones"

Title: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 26 Oct 2006 11:36:34 PM
In article
<mccoy-1161907290.958524.230100@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
wrote:

Ye Old One wrote:

On 25 Oct 2006 12:50:21 -0700,

enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ye Old One wrote:

On 25 Oct 2006 10:51:23 -0700,

enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ye Old One wrote:

On 21 Oct 2006 19:43:17 -0700,

enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ken Rode wrote:

wrote:

Lee Oswald Ving wrote:


<snip>

"The myth was taken from the much earlier Vedic Utpanishads" is
the
claim that Desertphile made. I'd like him to document and prove
that.
Which writer of Genesis wrote that he borrowed from the earlier
Vedic
Utpanishads.


John, have you not considered how hypocritical it is to request
someone
else to provide evidence for something when you are unwilling to
provide evidence for anything yourself?


That's ridiculous and irrelevant. Desertphile claimed that "the
myth
was taken from the earlier Vedic Utpanishads" and since that is his
contention surely he would have some evidence for that.


And for almost anyone else I'm sure people would be running round
trying to help find evidence for you. But considering YOU past
posting
record, and the total disrespect you show people by not providing
evidence, why should anyone do anything for you McClueless?


Logic alert!!! Bob decides to focus on attacking me rather that
answering how the Bible takes from "earlier Vedic Utpanishads".


Moron alert!!!!!! McClueless can't get it through his thick skull that
HE needs to answer long outstanding questions before HE gets the right
to ask others questions.


Not so.


Yes - most certainly so.

I reiterate Logic Alert!!! Bob decides to focus on attacking
me rather than answering how the Bible takes from "earlier Vedic
Utpanishads". The fact is such a question has never been answered on
talk.origins and Bob knows that he cannot answer it so he is now
attempting to attack rather than answer.


Moron alert! Moron alert! Moron alert! Moron alert! Moron alert!


Is that an alert telling us about your arrival? That instead of
writing "Logic Alert" you want me to state "Moron alert!" Because your
focus on personal attack is a logic fallacy. All you need to do, Bob,
is tell us how the Bible takes from "earlier Vedic Utpanishads" and you
will have settled the issue. But instead you try to avoid the issue,
then when countered, cry out "moron alert." Why can't you answer the
qeustion? The answer is you can't.

JM

*
Many people do not know that, based on the latest findings, the name
of the Eden serpent was McCoy.
He slithers on his belly taking potshots at anyone who knows more
than he does, which includes damn near anybody.
McCoy is the one poster on this NewsGroup that abuses the privilege
of being stupid.
McCoy, we are all allowed to be downright dumb once in a while --
but don't abuse the privilege -- just try to say something truthful
and intelligent for a change. Here's an example:
1. Rainbows are multicolored.
See if you can come up with your own idea.
earle
*
.
User: "Ye Old One"

Title: Re: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 27 Oct 2006 08:16:09 AM
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:36:34 -0700, Earle Jones
<earle.jones@comcast.net> enriched this group when s/he wrote:

In article
<mccoy-1161907290.958524.230100@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,

wrote:

Ye Old One wrote:

On 25 Oct 2006 12:50:21 -0700,

enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ye Old One wrote:

On 25 Oct 2006 10:51:23 -0700,

enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ye Old One wrote:

On 21 Oct 2006 19:43:17 -0700,

enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ken Rode wrote:

wrote:

Lee Oswald Ving wrote:


<snip>

"The myth was taken from the much earlier Vedic Utpanishads" is
the
claim that Desertphile made. I'd like him to document and prove
that.
Which writer of Genesis wrote that he borrowed from the earlier
Vedic
Utpanishads.


John, have you not considered how hypocritical it is to request
someone
else to provide evidence for something when you are unwilling to
provide evidence for anything yourself?


That's ridiculous and irrelevant. Desertphile claimed that "the
myth
was taken from the earlier Vedic Utpanishads" and since that is his
contention surely he would have some evidence for that.


And for almost anyone else I'm sure people would be running round
trying to help find evidence for you. But considering YOU past
posting
record, and the total disrespect you show people by not providing
evidence, why should anyone do anything for you McClueless?


Logic alert!!! Bob decides to focus on attacking me rather that
answering how the Bible takes from "earlier Vedic Utpanishads".


Moron alert!!!!!! McClueless can't get it through his thick skull that
HE needs to answer long outstanding questions before HE gets the right
to ask others questions.


Not so.


Yes - most certainly so.

I reiterate Logic Alert!!! Bob decides to focus on attacking
me rather than answering how the Bible takes from "earlier Vedic
Utpanishads". The fact is such a question has never been answered on
talk.origins and Bob knows that he cannot answer it so he is now
attempting to attack rather than answer.


Moron alert! Moron alert! Moron alert! Moron alert! Moron alert!


Is that an alert telling us about your arrival? That instead of
writing "Logic Alert" you want me to state "Moron alert!" Because your
focus on personal attack is a logic fallacy. All you need to do, Bob,
is tell us how the Bible takes from "earlier Vedic Utpanishads" and you
will have settled the issue. But instead you try to avoid the issue,
then when countered, cry out "moron alert." Why can't you answer the
qeustion? The answer is you can't.

JM


*
Many people do not know that, based on the latest findings, the name
of the Eden serpent was McCoy.

He slithers on his belly taking potshots at anyone who knows more
than he does, which includes damn near anybody.

McCoy is the one poster on this NewsGroup that abuses the privilege
of being stupid.

McCoy, we are all allowed to be downright dumb once in a while --
but don't abuse the privilege -- just try to say something truthful
and intelligent for a change. Here's an example:

1. Rainbows are multicolored.

See if you can come up with your own idea.

earle
*

I do wish you hadn't said that. Problem is we will now have McClueless
claiming there were no rainbows before the flood because his god
created them especially for Noah.
Oh well, at least these days he spends a lot of time in hiding licking
his wounds so we don't have to put up with the volume of drivel we
used to have from him.
--
Bob.
.


User: "Ye Old One"

Title: Re: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 26 Oct 2006 07:59:02 PM
On 26 Oct 2006 17:01:31 -0700,
enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ye Old One wrote:

On 25 Oct 2006 12:50:21 -0700,

enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ye Old One wrote:

On 25 Oct 2006 10:51:23 -0700,

enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ye Old One wrote:

On 21 Oct 2006 19:43:17 -0700,

enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ken Rode wrote:

wrote:

Lee Oswald Ving wrote:


<snip>

"The myth was taken from the much earlier Vedic Utpanishads" is the
claim that Desertphile made. I'd like him to document and prove that.
Which writer of Genesis wrote that he borrowed from the earlier Vedic
Utpanishads.


John, have you not considered how hypocritical it is to request someone
else to provide evidence for something when you are unwilling to
provide evidence for anything yourself?


That's ridiculous and irrelevant. Desertphile claimed that "the myth
was taken from the earlier Vedic Utpanishads" and since that is his
contention surely he would have some evidence for that.


And for almost anyone else I'm sure people would be running round
trying to help find evidence for you. But considering YOU past posting
record, and the total disrespect you show people by not providing
evidence, why should anyone do anything for you McClueless?


Logic alert!!! Bob decides to focus on attacking me rather that
answering how the Bible takes from "earlier Vedic Utpanishads".


Moron alert!!!!!! McClueless can't get it through his thick skull that
HE needs to answer long outstanding questions before HE gets the right
to ask others questions.


Not so.


Yes - most certainly so.

I reiterate Logic Alert!!! Bob decides to focus on attacking
me rather than answering how the Bible takes from "earlier Vedic
Utpanishads". The fact is such a question has never been answered on
talk.origins and Bob knows that he cannot answer it so he is now
attempting to attack rather than answer.


Moron alert! Moron alert! Moron alert! Moron alert! Moron alert!


Is that an alert telling us about your arrival?

No, an alert that you are, as usual, being a moron.

That instead of
writing "Logic Alert" you want me to state "Moron alert!" Because your
focus on personal attack is a logic fallacy.

The failure in logic is, as usual, yours McClueless.

All you need to do, Bob,
is tell us how the Bible takes from "earlier Vedic Utpanishads" and you
will have settled the issue. But instead you try to avoid the issue,
then when countered, cry out "moron alert." Why can't you answer the
qeustion? The answer is you can't.

I have told you that YOU need to answer the question that has now been
outstanding for well over FOUR MONTHS McClueless. Until YOU learn to
answer a question you have no right to ask questions of others.


JM



McClueless can't get it through his thick skull that HE needs to
answer long outstanding questions before HE gets the right to ask
other people questions or to demand cites.

Tell you what McClueless. You come up with the cites regarding you lie
that "millions of textbooks" used Piltdown Man as important evidence
for evolution - and I'll not rest until I've either confirmed the
Vedic claim, or disproved it.

But you first McClueless, you have been running away from it for over
4 months now so it has to be you first.



JM


Oh, and McClueless, that is yet another abuse report you have earned.
You NSP must be getting fed up with you.

--
Bob.

Yet another abuse report.
--
Bob.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 27 Oct 2006 12:12:57 PM
Ye Old One wrote:

On 26 Oct 2006 17:01:31 -0700,

enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ye Old One wrote:

On 25 Oct 2006 12:50:21 -0700,

enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ye Old One wrote:

On 25 Oct 2006 10:51:23 -0700,

enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ye Old One wrote:

On 21 Oct 2006 19:43:17 -0700,

enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ken Rode wrote:

wrote:

Lee Oswald Ving wrote:


<snip>

"The myth was taken from the much earlier Vedic Utpanishads" is the
claim that Desertphile made. I'd like him to document and prove that.
Which writer of Genesis wrote that he borrowed from the earlier Vedic
Utpanishads.


John, have you not considered how hypocritical it is to request someone
else to provide evidence for something when you are unwilling to
provide evidence for anything yourself?


That's ridiculous and irrelevant. Desertphile claimed that "the myth
was taken from the earlier Vedic Utpanishads" and since that is his
contention surely he would have some evidence for that.


And for almost anyone else I'm sure people would be running round
trying to help find evidence for you. But considering YOU past posting
record, and the total disrespect you show people by not providing
evidence, why should anyone do anything for you McClueless?


Logic alert!!! Bob decides to focus on attacking me rather that
answering how the Bible takes from "earlier Vedic Utpanishads".


Moron alert!!!!!! McClueless can't get it through his thick skull that
HE needs to answer long outstanding questions before HE gets the right
to ask others questions.


Not so.


Yes - most certainly so.

I reiterate Logic Alert!!! Bob decides to focus on attacking
me rather than answering how the Bible takes from "earlier Vedic
Utpanishads". The fact is such a question has never been answered on
talk.origins and Bob knows that he cannot answer it so he is now
attempting to attack rather than answer.


Moron alert! Moron alert! Moron alert! Moron alert! Moron alert!


Is that an alert telling us about your arrival?


No, an alert that you are, as usual, being a moron.

That instead of
writing "Logic Alert" you want me to state "Moron alert!" Because your
focus on personal attack is a logic fallacy.


The failure in logic is, as usual, yours McClueless.

All you need to do, Bob,
is tell us how the Bible takes from "earlier Vedic Utpanishads" and you
will have settled the issue. But instead you try to avoid the issue,
then when countered, cry out "moron alert." Why can't you answer the
qeustion? The answer is you can't.


I have told you that YOU need to answer the question that has now been
outstanding for well over FOUR MONTHS McClueless. Until YOU learn to
answer a question you have no right to ask questions of others.

Let's talk about your dishonesty Bob. The fact of the matter whenever
the topic of "the Bible has borrowed from..." comes up there has never
been an answer on any talk group. There never will be an answer.
Since you consider yourself to be better than me then you should take
the higher ground according to YOUR STANDARDS. But since you won't act
on YOUR STANDARDS you are a hypocrite. On the other hand I don't think
I need to post any findings on Piltdown Man until I can make the best
possible presentation and that is through a website where I can show
photographs. In your case all you need to do is type in some
sentences. You won't because you can't. No one on any talk group has
ever given a response to that question and you know it. Because the
contention that the Bible borrows is an ASSUMPTION.
JM


JM



McClueless can't get it through his thick skull that HE needs to
answer long outstanding questions before HE gets the right to ask
other people questions or to demand cites.

Tell you what McClueless. You come up with the cites regarding you lie
that "millions of textbooks" used Piltdown Man as important evidence
for evolution - and I'll not rest until I've either confirmed the
Vedic claim, or disproved it.

But you first McClueless, you have been running away from it for over
4 months now so it has to be you first.



JM


Oh, and McClueless, that is yet another abuse report you have earned.
You NSP must be getting fed up with you.

--
Bob.


Yet another abuse report.

--
Bob.

.
User: "Ye Old One"

Title: Re: Re: The Serpent In The Garden 27 Oct 2006 01:11:05 PM
On 27 Oct 2006 10:12:57 -0700,
enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ye Old One wrote:

On 26 Oct 2006 17:01:31 -0700,

enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ye Old One wrote:

On 25 Oct 2006 12:50:21 -0700,

enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ye Old One wrote:

On 25 Oct 2006 10:51:23 -0700,

enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ye Old One wrote:

On 21 Oct 2006 19:43:17 -0700,

enriched this group
when s/he wrote:


Ken Rode wrote:

wrote:

Lee Oswald Ving wrote:


<snip>

"The myth was taken from the much earlier Vedic Utpanishads" is the
claim that Desertphile made. I'd like him to document and prove that.
Which writer of Genesis wrote that he borrowed from the earlier Vedic
Utpanishads.


John, have you not considered how hypocritical it is to request someone
else to provide evidence for something when you are unwilling to
provide evidence for anything yourself?


That's ridiculous and irrelevant. Desertphile claimed that "the myth
was taken from the earlier Vedic Utpanishads" and since that is his
contention surely he would have some evidence for that.


And for almost anyone else I'm sure people would be running round
trying to help find evidence for you. But considering YOU past posting
record, and the total disrespect you show people by not providing
evidence, why should anyone do anything for you McClueless?


Logic alert!!! Bob decides to focus on attacking me rather that
answering how the Bible takes from "earlier Vedic Utpanishads".


Moron alert!!!!!! McClueless can't get it through his thick skull that
HE needs to answer long outstanding questions before HE gets the right
to ask others questions.


Not so.


Yes - most certainly so.

I reiterate Logic Alert!!! Bob decides to focus on attacking
me rather than answering how the Bible takes from "earlier Vedic
Utpanishads". The fact is such a question has never been answered on
talk.origins and Bob knows that he cannot answer it so he is now
attempting to attack rather than answer.


Moron alert! Moron alert! Moron alert! Moron alert! Moron alert!


Is that an alert telling us about your arrival?


No, an alert that you are, as usual, being a moron.

That instead of
writing "Logic Alert" you want me to state "Moron alert!" Because your
focus on personal attack is a logic fallacy.


The failure in logic is, as usual, yours McClueless.

All you need to do, Bob,
is tell us how the Bible takes from "earlier Vedic Utpanishads" and you
will have settled the issue. But instead you try to avoid the issue,
then when countered, cry out "moron alert." Why can't you answer the
qeustion? The answer is you can't.


I have told you that YOU need to answer the question that has now been
outstanding for well over FOUR MONTHS McClueless. Until YOU learn to
answer a question you have no right to ask questions of others.


Let's talk about your dishonesty Bob.

I'm not dishonest - that label falls to you McClueless. You are the
one that keeps doing everything possible to avoid facing the fact that
you were lying when you claimed "millions of textbooks" used the
Piltdown Man fossil as important evidence for evolution.

The fact of the matter whenever
the topic of "the Bible has borrowed from..." comes up there has never
been an answer on any talk group.

McClueless. We are still waiting for a cite to back up your claim
(made over 4 moths ago) that "millions of textbooks" used the Piltdown
Man fossil as important evidence for evolution.

There never will be an answer.

Not until YOU answer the questions regarding these "millions of
textbooks" which used Piltdown Man as a cornerstone of evolution.

Since you consider yourself to be better than me

Everyone is better than you McClueless. It is not hard to be better
than an ignorant, illiterate, lying moron like you.

then you should take
the higher ground according to YOUR STANDARDS. But since you won't act
on YOUR STANDARDS you are a hypocrite.

I am simply demanding that YOU answer a question, that has been
outstanding for over 4 months, before I answer yours. It really is
that simple McClueless, even you should be able to undestand that.

On the other hand I don't think
I need to post any findings on Piltdown Man

Oh yes you do you stupid little man - you should have done 4 months
ago.

until I can make the best
possible presentation and that is through a website where I can show
photographs.

McClueless you are a lying toerag. You know it was a lie when you made
the claim. Your continued failure to back up that claim proves you are
a liar.

In your case all you need to do is type in some
sentences.

After you McClueless. Author and title will do, publisher will help.

You won't because you can't.

I will - after you McClueless and not before.

No one on any talk group has
ever given a response to that question and you know it. Because the
contention that the Bible borrows is an ASSUMPTION.

McClueless. Stop wasting time and get posting.


JM




JM



McClueless can't get it through his thick skull that HE needs to
answer long outstanding questions before HE gets the right to ask
other people questions or to demand cites.

Tell you what McClueless. You come up with the cites regarding you lie
that "millions of textbooks" used Piltdown Man as important evidence
for evolution - and I'll not rest until I've either confirmed the
Vedic claim, or disproved it.

But you first McClueless, you have been running away from it for over
4 months now so it has to be you first.



JM


Oh, and McClueless, that is yet another abuse report you have earned.
You NSP must be getting fed up with you.

--
Bob.


Yet another abuse report.

--
Bob.

Yet another abuse report filed.
--
Bob.
.