Carl wrote:

The Bible does not teach 'the trinity.'

What the Bible DOES Teach is --


A Scriptural Doctrine of "God"

Any scriptural "Doctrine of God" must account for every word,
description and explanation He has given to reveal Himself, His Spirit
and His Son to His People; and omit the theories and doctrines of men
which are not supported by or found in His Word.

Before we use the Term "God" to describe our idea and understanding of
Him, we should first define that term "God." When we use the Term "God"
what do we mean?

We use the Term "God" to mean both "Kind of Being" and "Absolute Ruler."

Are these meanings supported in Scripture?

KIND OF BEING
Jesus used the Term "God" to mean "Kind of Being." (John 4:24 KJV) "God
is a Spirit." Some translations omit "a", and some indicate that the
term "is" is inserted as implied. Regardless, Jesus is telling us what
"Kind of Being God IS. "God is a Spirit (Being)."

John uses the Term "God" to acknowledge and confess that Jesus is his
Ruler: "My Lord and my God." John 20:28.

Jesus uses the Term "God" to confirm that His Father is His Ruler: [KJV]
John 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet
ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, 'I
ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God'."

LORD AND RULER
"The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make
thine enemies thy footstool. The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength
out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies." Ps 110:1-2, 1 Cor
15:24-28

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered
up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall
have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies
under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But
when he saith all things are put under him, it is
manifest that he is excepted which did put all things
under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then
shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put
all things under him, that God may be all in all.

God the Father has given ALL Power and ALL authority to His Son, Jesus
our Messiah, and seated Him on His Throne to Rule. That this event was
prior to the "beginning' is made clear by John, (John 1:1-3) and
acknowledged by Christ. Mat 28:18.

Therefore, as acknowledged by Thomas, Jesus is both our Lord and our
God, and He will reign as our God until His God has put all things in
subjection to Him. Ps 110:1-2. 1 Cor 15:28.

THE SON OF GOD
[KJV] Psalms 2:7-12 "I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto
me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Mat 1:18-21, Acts
13:33, Isa 9:6, Heb 1:5, 5:5.

THE SPIRIT OF GOD
[KJV] Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy
Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall
overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of
thee shall be called the Son of God."

(God is Spirit." John 4:24, 1 John 4:2.)

It is clear in the context, when the messenger of God the Father
announces the birth of His Son to the Virgin Mary, that the phrases "The
Holy Ghost", "the power of the Highest" are referring to God the Father.

THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST
[KJV] Philippians 1:19 "For I know that this shall turn to my salvation
through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ."
Romans 8:9, 1 Peter 1:11.

TWO PERSONS
God the Father and the Spirit of God is one single, unique, individual
Being.

The Son of God, Jesus, our Messiah and the Spirit of Christ is one,
single, unique, individual Being.

[KJV] John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the
world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

Jesus, the Son, "came forth from the Father." This event is clearly
before the 'beginning', and "Father" and "Son" indicate two, single,
unique, individual Beings.

Jesus, The Son, "came forth from the Father" and was with His Father
before the 'beginning.' John 1:1-3 et al. As His Father is Spirit, so
the Son is Spirit. Jesus the Son of Man, son of Mary, was 'begotten' in
the Flesh in about BC 4 to 3 AD, being the First Child of Mary and the
Only Child Fathered by God the Father.

Therefore, the scripture confirms Jesus is God by at least three
scriptural Truths:
a) Jesus is God by NATURE
Jesus is the Son of God
(Psalms 2:7 Acts 13:33, Isa 9:6, Mat 1:18, Heb 1:5.)

There is no Child which is NOT
the same Nature as the Parent!

God is Eternal Spirit, therefore
God's Son is Eternal Spirit

God is Divine, therefore
God's Son is Divine.

Every essence of God's Being
Is the essence of God's Son

b) Jesus is God by DEFINITION.
God the Father said to His Son:
"The LORD said unto my Lord,
Sit thou at my right hand,
until I make thine enemies thy
footstool." Ps 110:1-2

Since the term "God" means
"Omnipotent Ruler", and
Since God His Father made Him Ruler,
Then Christ is God.

c) Jesus is God IN FACT
Jesus demonstrated that He had been
given all authority. Mat 7:29, et al.

Jesus said of Himself;
"All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."
Mat 9:6, 28:18
and:
"Then cometh the end,
when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God,
even the Father;
when he shall have put down all rule
and all authority and power. 1 Cor 15:24-28.

Now, since it is clear, and undeniable, that God the Father gave His son
both to sit in His (God the Father's) Throne to Rule, and He (God the
Father) gave His Son the ALL Authority and ALL Power to Rule, and

Since it is demonstrated that Jesus, the Son of God DID and DOES
exercise that power and authority, then Jesus is God.

The Word of God states that Jesus is God by NATURE, by DEFINITION, and
IN FACT.

TWO BEINGS, UNIQUE, INDIVIDUAL
Since is is clear, and undeniable, that
1.) Jesus received Authority and Power to rule from His Father, and that,
2.) He (Jesus) will put down all power and authority,

Therefore Jesus the Son, and God the Father, are not the same being.

[KJV] Hebrews 5:8 "Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the
things which he suffered."

HOW MANY GODS?
[KJV] Exodus 20:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." Isa 41:23.

The Spirit of God clearly acknowledges that there are other "gods."

[KJV] Jeremiah 16:20 "Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are
no gods?

A man may make for himself a false 'god,' which is not 'a God' and
certainly not "God."

[KJV] Galatians 4:8 "Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service
unto them which by nature are no gods."

Again, acknowledging that there are 'other gods'; which those who do not
know "God" worship and serve; and which are not 'a God', and certainly
not "God" (since they did not know God).

However, both the Spirit of God and Jesus acknowledged the existence of
other gods:

[KJV] Psalms 82:6 "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children
of the most High." John 10:34.

The Children of god are "gods." The difference between "other gods which
are no god" and gods who are children of the most High, is that we are
'gods' by being born of the Spirit of God.

ONE GOD
When using the term "God" to mean "Absolute Ruler" we will need to
acknowledge that there can be, and is, only "One Absolute Ruler."

In order to do that we will need to be clear of our definition of the
term "One."

This term "one" may be used to indicate 'unity' in the sense of being
'in agreement', of 'working for a common purpose'; or it may be used to
indicate a singularity, a single unit, numerical "1."

[KJV] Genesis 2:24 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his
mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." It
is clear in the context that "one" means 'common purpose,' "in
agreement" and "unified;" not singular, or "1."

In the same way, when Jesus said "I and my Father are one," (John 10:30)
His meaning is "of a common purpose," "in agreement" and "unified."
Since "I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me." John 8:28.

[KJV] John 8:29 "And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not
left me alone; for I do always those things that please him."

BEFORE God the Father gave ALL POWER AND ALL AUTHORITY to His Son, there
was one God, the Father.

WHILE the Son rules and exercises ALL POWER AND ALL AUTHORITY there is
one God, the Son.

AFTER Jesus the Son puts down ALL POWER AND ALL AUTHORITY there will be
only one God, the Father.

"And when all things shall be subdued unto [Jesus] him, then shall the
Son also himself be subject unto him [The Father] that put all things
under [the Son] him, that God [The Father] may be all in all." 1 Cor 15:28.

[KJV] Mark 12:32 "And the scribe said unto him, Well,
Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God;
and there is none other but he."

[KJV] I Corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God,
the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and
one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we
by him."

[KJV] Ephesians 4:6 "One God and Father of all, who is
above all, and through all, and in you all."

[KJV] I Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator
between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD" Deu 6:4
The Lord our God is not a 'triune god.'

Glenn
His witness

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 11:56:30 -0400, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com>
wrote:

The answers to the following questions give evidence that when taken in
totality, the Bible teaches the doctrine of the Trinity:

1. Who does the Bible say is God?
The Father (Eph. 4:6)? Yes!
The Son (Titus 2:13; John 1:1,14; 20:28)? Yes!
The Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3-4)? Yes!
Or the one and only true God (Deut. 4:35)? Yes!

BIBLICAL CONCLUSION: The Bible says that the Father, the Son and the Holy
Spirit are all Jehovah God.

2. Who raised Jesus from the dead?
The Father (Romans 6:4)? Yes!
The Son (John 2:19-21; 10:17,18)? Yes!
The Holy Spirit (Romans 8:11)? Yes!
Or God (Acts 3:26, 13:30, 17:30,31; 1 Thess. 1:9,10; Heb. 13:20)? Yes!

BIBLICAL CONCLUSION: The Bible says that the Father, the Son and the Holy
Spirit in the unity as God were responsible for raising Jesus from the
dead.

3. Who saves man?
a. Who REGENERATES man?
The Father (1 Peter 1:3)? Yes!
The Son (John 5:21, 4:14)? Yes!
The Holy Spirit (John 3:6; Titus 3:5)? Yes!
Or God (1 John 3:9)? Yes!

BIBLICAL CONCLUSION: The Bible says that the Father, the Son and the Holy
Spirit in the unity as God are responsible for regenerating man.

b. Who JUSTIFIES man?
The Father (Jer. 23:6, cf. 2 Cor. 5:19)? Yes!
The Son (Romans 5:9, 10:4; 2 Cor. 5:19-21)? Yes!
The Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 6:11; Gal. 5:5)? Yes!
Or God (Romans 4:6, 9:33)? Yes!

BIBLICAL CONCLUSION: The Bible says that the Father, the Son and the Holy
Spirit in the unity as God are responsible for justifying man.

c. Who SANCTIFIES man?
The Father (Jude 1)? Yes!
The Son (Titus 2:14)? Yes!
The Holy Spirit (1 Peter 1:2)? Yes!
Or God (Exodus 31:13)? Yes!

BIBLICAL CONCLUSION: The Bible says that the Father, the Son and the Holy
Spirit in the unity as God are responsible for regenerating man.

d. Who propitiated God's just anger against man for his sins?
The Father (1 John 4:14; John 3:16, 17:5, 18:11)? Yes!
The Son (Matthew 26:28; John 1:29; 1 John 2:2)? Yes!
The Holy Spirit (Heb. 9:14)? Yes!
Or God (2 Cor. 5:1; Acts 20:28)? Yes!

BIBLICAL CONCLUSION: The Bible says that the Father, the Son and the Holy
Spirit in the unity as God had propitiated God's just anger against man for
his sins?

BIBLICAL RESULT: The Bible clearly teaches the doctrine of the Trinity.

Though some exalt human reason against the doctrine of the Trinity, saying
that it is "unreasonable," people who submit their minds to God's Word must
conclude that it is unreasonable NOT to believe in it.

Carl,

Please put "Repost" in your header subject line when you repost.

If a Christian does not believe in the trinity is he saved? Will God

send him to hell and murder him if he doesn't believe in the Trinity?
What is your answer; your personal beleif. That's a fair question.

BB
http://www.biblebob.net

Nothing so completely baffles one who is full of trick and duplicity
himself, than straightforward and simple integrity in another.
Charles Caleb Colton, author and clergyman (1780-1832)